Katz,

The duo of Buhari/Idiagbon made a well intentioned dictator. Yet, and to naptu's point, we jubilated their removal. Their regime was the first time any independent Nigerian leadership had confronted the born-to-rule attitude of the Northerners. It was also the first time our leadership submitted itself to accountability.....top-down practice of discipline.

I like people that have touch and can reduce ideas to a skeletal minimum and connect it to everyday living. Your chicken or egg point did that and judging from the follow up i think the intention behind it was distorted. If we were starting a new specie life for the domestic bird which should be the first emanation? If you start with the egg, in a future confrontation of who came first, the chicken will have grievance of unfairness. If you started with chicken, it would be the egg that feel cheated. What would be the relational disadvantage of creating one before the other is not contingent upon primordial heierarchy but rather on the necessity to sustain life and genetic clocks against an endless encounter with evolutionary timespan.

Therefore the creator must numb himself/herself to the troubles of fairness and adress the essence of genetic survivability.

In a society, constitution serves the role of promoting equitable fairness.....but our values and ethics and innate abilities to sorround ourselves with order and balance is paramount to our genetic evolution. Renewing our contract within ourselves and realigning that to the demands of social interaction comes first. The constitution we have is not decayed, our attitude and response to public order is rotten and needs urgent fix.

Sky Blue:

We DO NOT need a dictator, it is the response and thinking of the lazy. Nigerians need to STOP being so LAZY and get of their arses. Even with the questionable characters we have now we can work together and get things done if serious. Change doesn't normally require 100% of the population, heck 5% is even more than enough. We can't just shout 'social engineering' without the right foundations, it is something that has to be embedded in the nation. If WAI under Buhari was so sucessful in social engineering then why did it collapse pretty much once he left? Doesn't that go to show you the depth of that "change"? We need to be on the same wavelength as a country of different groups (ethnic, economic, religious, etc), and we need to have an agreement and an understanding which we never had a chance to talk about. We need a vision enshrined in a document we had some part in writing (even if indirectly), then we need to embed this in laws and teach it to our children so they know where we are coming from. That is how you get social engineering, through family, community and education.

We have a very lazy "enlightened" group. We just need Nigerians to rise to the occasion. Touting WAI as a success of social engineering is just dumb, giving that it pretty much unraveled rather quickly. So was it really social engineering or were people just afraid of getting whipped and doing frog jumps?

Weakness on the part of the people leaves them open to manipulation and/or dictatorship. Most folks know what to do but choose not expecting others to make the change. As Marxism dictates, inefficiencies in an unregulated capitalistic society will lead to class struggle which will eventually lead to social revolution. End result will be revolution and socialism. Socialism will give way to communism with improvements in technology. Lazy attitudes will develop in a communist society as there are no incentives to create wealth. To survive, communism will revert back to capitalism. These evolution differs from society to society. As long as the 'owners' of Nigeria don't push Nigerians into that state that leads to social revolution, Nigeria will maintain the current state.

But there is nothing in human psychology that suggests that a group of humans will simultaneously change their attitudes and behavior without some prompting or education. Something will push them to make that change.

Dudu_Negro: Katz,

The duo of Buhari/Idiagbon made a well intentioned dictator. Yet, and to naptu's point, we jubilated their removal. Their regime was the first time any independent Nigerian leadership had confronted the born-to-rule attitude of the Northerners. It was also the first time our leadership submitted itself to accountability.....top-down practice of discipline.

I like people that have touch and can reduce ideas to a skeletal minimum and connect it to everyday living. Your chicken or egg point did that and judging from the follow up i think the intention behind it was distorted. If we were starting a new specie life for the domestic bird which should be the first emanation? If you start with the egg, in a future confrontation of who came first, the chicken will have grievance of unfairness. If you started with chicken, it would be the egg that feel cheated. What would be the relational disadvantage of creating one before the other is not contingent upon primordial heierarchy but rather on the necessity to sustain life and genetic clocks against an endless encounter with evolutionary timespan.

Therefore the creator must numb himself/herself to the troubles of fairness and adress the essence of genetic survivability.

In a society, constitution serves the role of promoting equitable fairness.....but our values and ethics and innate abilities to sorround ourselves with order and balance is paramount to our genetic evolution. Renewing our contract within ourselves and realigning that to the demands of social interaction comes first. The constitution we have is not decayed, our attitude and response to public order is rotten and needs urgent fix.

You forgot to include a hypothesis on how to accomplish this change. Asking everyone to change themselves will not happen. Humans are not capable of such. Individuals change of course but asking a majority to change at the same time is impossible. The best way to change a people is through education. That education must be contrived and developed by an individual or group of individuals. If Nigerians want that positive education, then they must select/elect the right individuals. So far, nothing in human social evolution or the Nigerian society suggests that will happen without a cataclysmic social revolution.

Lets deal with realities here and not just theory.

Katsumoto:

Weakness on the part of the people leaves them open to manipulation and/or dictatorship. Most folks know what to do but choose not expecting others to make the change. As Marxism dictates, inefficiencies in an unregulated capitalistic society will lead to class struggle which will eventually lead to social revolution. End result will be revolution and socialism. Socialism will give way to communism with improvements in technology. Lazy attitudes will develop in a communist society as there are no incentives to create wealth. To survive, communism will revert back to capitalism. These evolution differs from society to society. As long as the 'owners' of Nigeria don't push Nigerians into that state that leads to social revolution, Nigeria will maintain the current state.

But there is nothing in human psychology that suggests that a group of humans will simultaneously change their attitudes and behavior without some prompting or education. Something will push them to make that change.

I disagree with you implying we are not close to being pushed. The issue is what would prompt us to make that change. And honestly speaking, it is not far fetched. The more the village champion status is deconstructed the more we move in that direction. The more Nigerians get exposed to what is attainable in other parts of the world the more they realise they DO NOT have to live the way they live. This can cause discontent, and information has proved a powerful tool. It has been the stirrer of the hornets nest in regions like North Africa and the Middle east. The only thing that will keep slowing down this change, is continued acceptance and contentment with the nature of things, a complacency which Nigerians seem quite accustomed to.

Sky Blue:

I disagree with you implying we are not close to being pushed. The issue is what would prompt us to make that change. And honestly speaking, it is not far fetched. The more the village champion status is deconstructed the more we move in that direction. The more Nigerians get exposed to what is attainable in other parts of the world the more they realise they DO NOT have to live the way they live. This can cause discontent, and information has proved a powerful tool. It has been the stirrer of the hornets nest in regions like North Africa and the Middle east. The only thing that will keep slowing down this change, is continued acceptance and contentment with the nature of things, a complacency which Nigerians seem quite accustomed to.

You unavoidably made my point.

Do you know what makes societal change difficult. It is the Nigerian situation which makes it possible for people to become millionaires overnight. As soon as one's brother/sister/father/friend/mother/etc becomes rich, individual attitudes towards injustice and fairness changes. If you look at the landscape of Nigeria, turnover of millionaires is quite high. As long as this turnover remains high, a majority of people do not feel embittered long enough to demand change.

Katsumoto:

You forgot to include a hypothesis on how to accomplish this change. Asking everyone to change themselves will not happen. Humans are not capable of such. Individuals change of course but asking a majority to change at the same time is impossible. The best way to change a people is through education. That education must be contrived and developed by an individual or group of individuals. If Nigerians want that positive education, then they must select/elect the right individuals. So far, nothing in human social evolution or the Nigerian society suggests that will happen without a cataclysmic social revolution.

Lets deal with realities here and not just theory.

What should the curriculum of this lesson look like if i may ask?

This suggestion for a national education will reveal a new set of bias and unfairness. This issue ties back to the call for SNC and the possibility for a dissolution.

Naturally inharmonious value systems were forced together and expected to walk away from their ethnic bonds and embrace a new national conscience. The values and moral ethos of the composing ethnics are significantly different that you cannot produce a single net value system from which to draft a curriculum that everyone will be satisfactorily happy with.

This discussion has opened a can of worms. We are different people with different ethos and philosophies and the gap between our different views are too wide ti be bridged without anyone falling off the edge. Continuing to massage and pray fir the gap to dissapear is a waste and only damages us collectively and ethnically the more.

ndu_chucks: How can Fashola or anyone who hopes to rule Nigeria have any problem whatsoever with amending our constitution or even rewriting it? Is it not senseless to call for social engineering which could take generations for its effect to be actualized, instead of amending the constitution or rewriting it?

I am beginning to feel that Fashola may not have what it takes to move Nigeria forward. His talents are probably limited to managing entities such as cities and small states.

Obi is on point here and even the old coot Edwin Clark, is making more sense than Fashola.

You have just dsiplayed your hatred for Mr Fashola and not a response to what he said. He did not say we should not have another constitution or did he say so? He said we need to change our ways first.
Pls think twice before responding.

kingingkinging:

You have just dsiplayed your hatred for Mr Fashola and not a response to what he said. He did not say we should not have another constitution or did he say so? He said we need to change our ways first.
Pls think twice before responding.

We don't have time to wait for a generation or 2 to change our ways, before working to improve the constitution, do we?

Dudu_Negro:

What should the curriculum of this lesson look like if i may ask?

This suggestion for a national education will reveal a new set of bias and unfairness. This issue ties back to the call for SNC and the possibility for a dissolution.

Naturally inharmonious value systems were forced together and expected to walk away from their ethnic bonds and embrace a new national conscience. The values and moral ethos of the composing ethnics are significantly different that you cannot produce a single net value system from which to draft a curriculum that everyone will be satisfactorily happy with.

This discussion has opened a can of worms. We are different people with different ethos and philosophies and the gap between our different views are too wide ti be bridged without anyone falling off the edge. Continuing to massage and pray fir the gap to dissapear is a waste and only damages us collectively and ethnically the more.

I am not suggesting that the same curriculum be adopted in all regions. I think this decision is contingent upon selecting the right leaders first. The right leaders will determine what structure Nigeria should have - Confederationism, true federalism, breakup, etc. After that structure is adopted, then appropriate policy will follow. But selecting the right leaders is contingent upon people developing a better mindset. Hence the chicken and egg scenario.

For instance, people in Hong kong protested in July against plans to amend the curriculum to include Chinese nationalism, history, etc. The government backed down on this curriculum. So even though Hong kong is part of China, its children don't use the same textbooks as mainland China kids.

[b]Former Information Minister and Chairman of South South Assembly, Chief Edwin Clark in his presentation advocated the abolition of states and the entrenchment of zones, as federating units as canvassed by Chief Alex Ekwueme during the 1994 Constitutional Conference. The Ijaw leader dismissed the present 1999 Constitution as a military document that should be subjected to rigorous amendment at a national conference. “I agree with those who say there must be a new constitution. A situation where some zone have six states and another five, let us review it, based on experts advice—not on sentiments.
“The thirty six states governors have no initiative, they only come to Abuja at the end of every month to collect from the Federation Account, thinking that will solve the problems. “I think we should abolish the states and strengthen the zones. We need a national conference, because the National Assembly is arrogating to itself, the power to look at the constitution. “Let the federating units meet and submit their deliberations to the National Assembly. What we have now is a military document; we must deliberate so that we can have a federation of equal partners.
“So, I believe the six geo-political zones, suggested by Dr. Alex Ekwueme should be the federating units of this country.”[/b][color=#990000][/color]


Totally agree with Edwin Clark here, this is the only way forward.

Dudu_Negro:

What should the curriculum of this lesson look like if i may ask?

This suggestion for a national education will reveal a new set of bias and unfairness. This issue ties back to the call for SNC and the possibility for a dissolution.

Naturally inharmonious value systems were forced together and expected to walk away from their ethnic bonds and embrace a new national conscience. The values and moral ethos of the composing ethnics are significantly different that you cannot produce a single net value system from which to draft a curriculum that everyone will be satisfactorily happy with.

This discussion has opened a can of worms. We are different people with different ethos and philosophies and the gap between our different views are too wide ti be bridged without anyone falling off the edge. Continuing to massage and pray fir the gap to dissapear is a waste and only damages us collectively and ethnically the more.

Spot on!
Therein lies the crux of this discussion. Nigeria has been playing ostrich ever since 1960. The different ethnic nationalities in the Nigerian geographic space have too much of a cultural difference to peacefully live together the way the country is currently structured and supported via the constitution.

We have to discuss how and if we want to live together. Its either we do it peacefully or we do it via the india/pakistan/bangladesh method

Whitehorse:

Spot on!
Therein lies the crux of this discussion. Nigeria has been playing ostrich ever since 1960. The different ethnic nationalities in the Nigerian geographic space have too much of a cultural difference to peacefully live together the way the country is currently structured and supported via the constitution.

We have to discuss how and if we want to live together. Its either we do it peacefully or we do it via the india/pakistan/bangladesh method

Simple! All this waiting for people to have attitudinal change wether through education or whatever means is a waste of time. That scenrio will work better when a group have same ethos.

It would be easier for the igbo man or yoruba etc to think alike forge ahead. The suspicion between ethnic groups is too much.

Katsumoto:

I am not suggesting that the same curriculum be adopted in all regions. I think this decision is contingent upon selecting the right leaders first. The right leaders will determine what structure Nigeria should have - Confederationism, true federalism, breakup, etc. After that structure is adopted, then appropriate policy will follow. But selecting the right leaders is contingent upon people developing a better mindset. Hence the chicken and egg scenario.

For instance, people in Hong kong protested in July against plans to amend the curriculum to include Chinese nationalism, history, etc. The government backed down on this curriculum. So even though Hong kong is part of China, its children don't use the same textbooks as mainland China kids.

Lol..we are going in a circle.

The chicken and egg notion have two aspects to it:

1. A disposition of the issue of fairness (or the perception of unfairness).
2. A reawakening of the conscience to relational space.

My follow up here is piggybacked on these two aspects. Its an excellent idea to use to breakdown the argument and I appreciate your insight for throwing it out here.

Your conclusions that a well intentioned dictator will serve as remedy is also acknowledged. However each one of the aspects have burdens that cannot be easily resolved with the various suggestions you have made......theoretically or practically.

In the case of Hong Kong anf China, they speak same language and have same faith. These are hard coded values and source stream of ethics and philosophies....that can stand the test of unity far much more enduringly than any other social divide, hence it is possible to yield and still have pride in national unity. Thats not the case with us in Nigeria.....nothing in our fundamental principles of who we are cuts across any two separate ethnicitiy.

Yoruba in Nigeria have a more settled aense of belonging with Yoruba in Porto Novo or Lome even though we exist under different sovereingties thanwe do with Hausa or Igbo with whom we share citizenship. This is the reality.

So if we teach a value system in a curriculum drafted from local or regional outlooks then we end up, again, creating regional patriotism above national conscience.

If we go with choosing leaders of credible backgrounds and spotless bias.....then the constituencies that produce these leaders must itself be pruned and disciplined to accept and live by the outcomes which these leaders decide. Unfortunately, our society is far from that stage of temperament and contentment. Soon some people will critize their leaders for yielding too much or other leadera for taking advantage of them.

We are in a circle. ....an unending orbital infatuation that Nigeria can be glued together to serve all justifiably well.

The more you guy discuss this topic the more hopeless our situation looks . . . what we need to wake up and step out of our current limit, to me, is revolution. No more control of the south by the north, no more routine corrupt practices anywhere, no more shifting of the goal post.

Nigerians are universally known to jump the gun on any issue. Before these deceitful disciples of demons lure undiscerning onlookers into eating from the so-called geopolitical zones, Nigerians must ascertain the modality satisfies the cardinal rule of democratic principles of equality. Each zone or region must have equal number of states as to provide equal number of representatives to a certain chamber of the national assembly or governors to national executive council.

Dede1: Nigerians are universally known to jump the gun on any issue. Before these deceitful disciples of demons lure undiscerning onlookers into eating from the so-called geopolitical zones, Nigerians must ascertain the modality satisfies the cardinal rule of democratic principles of equality. Each zone or region must have equal number of states as to provide equal number of representatives to a certain chamber of the national assembly or governors to national executive council.

How was this so called balance achieved in times when East had more number of representation than others in the legislative chambers?

What specific imbalance of power will an additional state to you or anybody correct?

Dudu_Negro:

How was this so called balance achieved in times when East had more number of representation than others in the legislative chambers?

What specific imbalance of power will an additional state to you or anybody correct?

Please expatiate on the “when East had more number of representation than others in the legislative chambers”. Nigeria has started the process by contemplating of creating additional states to zones with fewer numbers of states than others. After certain equality has been achieved with a noted political pedestal, Nigeria could move to the next level of federating regionalism.

Eko Ile: I went over this issue several times and finally reasoned with Fashola.


Fashola's point = Let's change our ways first before clamoring for constitutional changes because even the laws we have right now we don't obey and respect because of our lawless ways so what's the point.

Bingo we all know you will agree with everything d1ck with fashole. Why not if not.. ?

Even when its obvious that fashole is making incoherent statement..

You need to start demanding for refund on your school fees..oh lest I forget it was a fake free education given to you monkeys by that ex-con awoalowoa..

@Dudu_Negro

I had hardly agree with any of the junks you post on this forum but I must say you got me interested in your previous posts with quotes such as:

“Yoruba in Nigeria have a more settled aense of belonging with Yoruba in Porto Novo or Lome even though we exist under different sovereingties thanwe do with Hausa or Igbo with whom we share citizenship. This is the reality.”

“Unfortunately, our society is far from that stage of temperament and contentment”

Believe you me; you could not be more correct with such establishments.

“Yoruba in Nigeria have a more settled aense of belonging with Yoruba in Porto Novo or Lome

doubt it, unless you're referring to within recent memory.

Dudu_Negro:

Lol..we are going in a circle.

The chicken and egg notion have two aspects to it:

1. A disposition of the issue of fairness (or the perception of unfairness).
2. A reawakening of the conscience to relational space.

My follow up here is piggybacked on these two aspects. Its an excellent idea to use to breakdown the argument and I appreciate your insight for throwing it out here.

Your conclusions that a well intentioned dictator will serve as remedy is also acknowledged. However each one of the aspects have burdens that cannot be easily resolved with the various suggestions you have made......theoretically or practically.

In the case of Hong Kong anf China, they speak same language and have same faith. These are hard coded values and source stream of ethics and philosophies....that can stand the test of unity far much more enduringly than any other social divide, hence it is possible to yield and still have pride in national unity. Thats not the case with us in Nigeria.....nothing in our fundamental principles of who we are cuts across any two separate ethnicitiy.

Yoruba in Nigeria have a more settled aense of belonging with Yoruba in Porto Novo or Lome even though we exist under different sovereingties thanwe do with Hausa or Igbo with whom we share citizenship. This is the reality.

So if we teach a value system in a curriculum drafted from local or regional outlooks then we end up, again, creating regional patriotism above national conscience.

If we go with choosing leaders of credible backgrounds and spotless bias.....then the constituencies that produce these leaders must itself be pruned and disciplined to accept and live by the outcomes which these leaders decide. Unfortunately, our society is far from that stage of temperament and contentment. Soon some people will critize their leaders for yielding too much or other leadera for taking advantage of them.

We are in a circle. ....an unending orbital infatuation that Nigeria can be glued together to serve all justifiably well.

Faith amongst worshipers in Hong Kong and China are diverse. You have everything from Catholicism, Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Judaism, etc. They speak Cantonese in Hong Kong and Mandarin. Recent history is also very different. The only similarity between mainland Chinese and hong kong residents is appearance.

With a groups of ethnicities so different in Nigeria, it is impossible to national patriotism above regional patriotism. I don't have any problems with that. Regional patriotism is the order of the day in Spain, Quebec, Belgium, Scotland, etc. There is always that danger when people who have little in common are lumped together. You may adopt regionalism and the problems affecting Nigerians follow them into their new regions. In any case, this debate is not about the preference of one system over another but about what must transpire first before finding a solution to the issues bedeviling Nigeria. To arrive at the right structure, they need sincerity of purpose and moral conviction.

SCRAP STATES, GIVE ME REGIONS..ITS ABOUT TIME OSHIMILI JOINS THE GREATER PART OF THE IGBO REGION.

OR BETTER YET GIVE ME BIAFRA...THE REST OF YOU FOLK CAN HAVE, EAT AND DRINK NIGERIA

Eko Ile: I went over this issue several times and finally reasoned with Fashola.


Fashola's point = Let's change our ways first before clamoring for constitutional changes because even the laws we have right now we don't obey and respect because of our lawless ways so what's the point.

Eko Ole, you seem to enjoy instances of stupidity.

Fashola stand on this issue is laughable if not downright moronic. Structured environment that bestows sense of belonging to the citizens is the excellent mean of changing peoples’ behavior. Unless Fashola wants to be dictatorial, I do not see how Nigerians will change their ways of behavior without political structure of inclusiveness.

Dede1:


Eko Ole, you seem to enjoy instances of stupidity.

Fashola stand on this issue is laughable if not downright moronic. Structured environment that bestows sense of belonging to the citizens is the excellent mean of changing peoples’ behavior. Unless Fashola wants to be dictatorial, I do not see how Nigerians will change their ways of behavior without political structure of inclusiveness.

And how do you achieve that political structure of inclusiveness?

Are all regions/states not represented in the NASS?

Katsumoto:

And how do you achieve that political structure of inclusiveness?

Are all regions/states not represented in the NASS?

I guess you have not forgotten one of the cardinal principles of democracy. Unequal representation is as good as no representation.

I don't like it when people that knew the truth turns around and do otherwise.
Edwin Clark makes the most point here. Though he agreed with obi and went ahead to straight things more.

Looking carefully in this discussion one may notice that all yorubas here supports fashola?
All ibos in here supports obi?

So where do we think minorities shall stand to avoid been bias?

We still have a cold tribalism we are trying to avoid, only that insults has not start raining here and there although two yoruba guys has tried hiting ibos and hausa already.

Awake9ja: I don't like it when people that knew the truth turns around and do otherwise.
Edwin Clark makes the most point here. Though he agreed with obi and went ahead to straight things more.

Looking carefully in this discussion one may notice that all yorubas here supports fashola?
All ibos in here supports obi?

So where do we think minorities shall stand to avoid been bias?

We still have a cold tribalism we are trying to avoid, only that insults has not start raining here and there although two yoruba guys has tried hiting ibos and hausa already.

Dude, I have followed your post for a while. YOU ARE NOT A MINORITY, YOU ARE IGBO!

Dede1:

I guess you have not forgotten one of the cardinal principles of democracy. Unequal representation is as good as no representation.

False

No representation is as good as no representation.

If you have one person in the house, he has a right to raise bills. He may not get them approved by a majority but at least he has it on record for posterity.

If you wait until you have a majority to effect change, then you will wait forever. That is why it is necessary for groups to elect bright, clever, and diplomatic individuals to represent them. Rather they pick inarticulate, corrupt, and difficult folks to represent them.

I want to insert something here. Read fashola statement careffully.

Fashola says we need a " moral rebirth", then i ask "which moral rebirth?"
A religous moral which differs or cultural one which is also different
Isn't a national constitution that will bind all culture's and religions together and give us a guide to that anticipated rebirth.


Now if my religion and culture prohibited alcohol and another approve it
which are we goin to follow if the national laws says nothing about it,?
What is fashola saying in this?

Can somebody tell us how do we get this moral rebirth if not from the law since our cultures and religions are opposite many times?

If you ask someone to change his ways, you need to tell him to what is he gonna change to.
Pls there is need for a new constitution before anything else.

Fashola says something about sincerity , pls can fashola lead the way on that by stepping down from his governorship seat since his first and second tenure were rigged?

I don't like hypocrisy . Pls give us new law that promotes equity, fairness, equality, oneness and progress
Let it shun marginalization , animosity, jungle justice, favoritism, tribalism , corruption and extremism .

Awake9ja: I don't like it when people that knew the truth turns around and do otherwise.
Edwin Clark makes the most point here. Though he agreed with obi and went ahead to straight things more.

Looking carefully in this discussion one may notice that all yorubas here supports fashola?
All ibos in here supports obi?

So where do we think minorities shall stand to avoid been bias?

We still have a cold tribalism we are trying to avoid, only that insults has not start raining here and there although two yoruba guys has tried hiting ibos and hausa already.

You are very wrong.

There are Yoruba folks on this thread who have disagreed with Fashola's position and some have even agreed with Obi. Not that Fashola and Obi disagreed in any case.

Why do you need to introduce bad blood into an otherwise healthy debate?

If you notice, most have largely ignored a few attempts to derail the thread.

@Jason123,
Guy i don't argue with people about my origin. I don't even want you to blv or not.
I have my opinion to make so is you. I don't even care who you call me. To you guys anybody that disagrees with you is ibo .

Look at NL and see internet fighting here and there between yorubas and ibo. It has to stop.

You are itshekiri but you often agree with anything yorubas says, i don't care since that is your opinion.

The last time i checked PA Edwin Clark is ijawman not ibo . I agree with him not because of his tribe but you bcus he is right .

Katsumoto thanks a lot. I speak my mind in other to dissuade tribalists to be objective for once.

Come on, we are one people. Let's discuss not because of where we cone from but what we think that is better.