carmelion: Whether Men and Women are equal?As in which side?

Hmmm......smh, no they are not equal o!..
I believe there is a reason why they were created FIRST. But nevertheless, each gender has its own perculiar role to play.

I believe this topic works hand in hand with women empowerment. This thing started because women were being maltreated by their male counter part. So the society sought to give women a voice,which am in support.

But women should know their limits. Personally,I don't measure shoulders with men,cos most times,it robs someone of her feminity. The only place I would not mind contesting with a man is in maybe academics,every other thing I give way, as long as it doesn't de-humanise me(Violence/battery)

I think it's horribly sad that you think this way. You dehumanize and disenfranchise yourself by subscribing to the belief that you're lesser than another human being. You're far too assimilated into pathetic patriarchal gender roles that you have lost all sense of personal identity.

The fact remains that women and men ARE equals although we aren't treated the same in politics, careers, domestic duties, etc. Feminism involves leveling the ground on which women and men stand so that the equality may actually be viewed in our everyday lives and not just a phrase.

We ARE equal.

In everyday life, i have EQUAL RIGHTS with every other man out there. WE ARE EQUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's only my HUSBAND that is an exception to that. For all other men, we are equals.
Passionate88 and causewahala don't have any right greater than mine...

carmelion:

Yes!as long as they both have same opportinities-Education,Social circle,Same form of freedom,Same career opportunity, same everything,a man is still superior.

There are limits to what a woman.

Take for instance in the work place.I know positions like Customer care officers,Front desk/receptionists are mostly taken by women but,you might want to agree with me,guys do that also.

How many companies employ women drivers,especially those that has to do with inter-state driving? How about technical parts?Engineers?

Trust me when a woman manages to get to a 'masculine' positiob,it is seen as news.It is celebarted.


To me,the only thing feminine role that men are yet to play is everything that has to do with birthing.And that's because,of their natural inability to do that.

Please remind me,what else women can do which men cannot do?May be that will change my mind.

Thanks for your reply.

What kind of limits? societal? cultural? who created them?

The equality/ inequality is not as a result of abilities. Where the abilities would matter would be when women don't have the natural ability to do a task. Can you think of any task that a woman cannot naturally do by the virtue of she being a woman? a body part or thinking ability that she lacks? I am imagining a scenario that a woman and man are given the very same opportunities

God created us equal Gen 1: 26 - 31. God created man in His image; male and female He created them and He blessed them saying...

causewahala:

Some of ur girls were throwing in the kitchen sink tactics @ feminism so I felt I might as well rep the boys! As per feminism itself, majority of those championing the cause barely understand it. Some guys are set in their way and believe they're all and all(quite archaic reasoning) those of us willing to be partners as we (male & female) mutually deem fit should be encouraged not castigated and lumped along with the others.
If you want to be treated with respect, there're things expected of you, if you meet your obligations and boify's not fulfilling his, then bounce, no be by force!

If I pay all your bills without complaining (particularly when you're empowered financially), don't cry foul if you see me creeping with ur bestie I'll never lay my hands on you so long as you don't slap me first and start claiming you couldn't control your emotion, or you're a weaker vessel and should be allowed to express youself. . . I go DECK u life! Don't expect breakfast in bed if you always talk me into eating out and can't even do the dishes talkless of cooking when you come visiting.

Talking about equality, its simply an illusive idea some female like to cling to to get away with some ish! There's bound to be a head in any institution, bible supports it, society supports it. Whether it naturally belongs to the man is subject for discourse. However, men are doing better job leading, we don't blow salaries on LV bag and shoes, we provide security in terms of finance, physical and otherwise, and that leader(father) figure, I know ladies can equally do some of these but not all. we can do this all day cos I ain' even started yet!

Whatever parameter you choose, guys would still edge out babes! I know there're tasks babes can do guys can't, etc child bearing (talking natural things). There're also tasks reserve for guys naturally, we'd have to weigh it all and come to a midpoint.

I don't understand the bolded part of your post.
Besides, this is getting interesting. I hope carmellion doesn't mind.

alutacontinua: In everyday life, i have EQUAL RIGHTS with every other man out there. WE ARE EQUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's only my HUSBAND that is an exception to that. For all other men, we are equals.
Passionate88 and causewahala don't have any right greater than mine...

Why do you think you are not equal to your husband?

I want to assume you are a christian

bukatyne:

Why do you think you are not equal to your husband?

I want to assume you are a christian

Because God said I should submit to him
I cannot question that.

alutacontinua:

Because God said I should submit to him
I cannot question that.

Why are you sad na?

You think submission makes us inferior?

Do you know that Christians are told to submit to one another? Does that make all Christians superior/inferior to each other? Eph 5:21, Romans 12:10,

bukatyne:

Why are you sad na?

You think submission makes us inferior?

Do you know that Christians are told to submit to one another? Does that make all Christians superior/inferior to each other? Eph 5:21, Romans 12:10,

I'm not saying i'm inferior to him. It's just that you would agree if you have to submit to somebody, then, one way or the other, you have to see the person as a lil above you. Submission is not a thing of the mouth, the mind has a way of programming things in such a way that if you don't put someone in that position of 'you want to submit to the person', you just won't submit. If you see someone as your equal, trust me, there's no way you can submit to the person...you'll always see the person as a competitor. So, he's not my equal...he's my HEAD and i totally love that. If I no even get person to head me sef, my gra-gra go too mush...

And I'm not sad about the fact that I have to submit to my husband...was just kidding with the emoticon.

alutacontinua:

I'm not saying i'm inferior to him. It's just that you would agree if you have to submit to somebody, then, one way or the other, you have to see the person as a lil above you. Submission is not a thing of the mouth, the mind has a way of programming things in such a way that if you don't put someone in that position of 'you want to submit to the person', you just won't submit. If you see someone as your equal, trust me, there's no way you can submit to the person...you'll always see the person as a competitor. So, he's not my equal...he's my HEAD and i totally love that. If I no even get person to head me sef, my gra-gra go too mush...

And I'm not sad about the fact that I have to submit to my husband...was just kidding with the emoticon.

Then you are saying that all Christians are head of each other because we are expected to submit to one another

BeautifulNaija:

I think it's horribly sad that you think this way. You dehumanize and disenfranchise yourself by subscribing to the belief that you're lesser than another human being. You're far too assimilated into pathetic patriarchal gender roles that you have lost all sense of personal identity.

Honey that was harsh,that's just my opinion.Sorry if I disappoint you.

Ok,let's come to a middle point here.Which gender can courageously walk at least 10miles by 1.00am without being sexually harrased?

bukatyne:

Then you are saying that all Christians are head of each other because we are expected to submit to one another

Well, I don't think the kind of submission the bible was talking about between Christians is the kind of submission between husband and wife.
I might be going to church for 6 whole months and no issue comes up that I need submission to deal with. You will also notice that to relate with pastors and leaders in church and 'submit to them' or respect them, people tend to see them a lil higher than they are...consciously or unconsciously.

carmelion:
Honey that was harsh,that's just my opinion.Sorry if I disappoint you.

Ok,let's come to a middle point here.Which gender can courageously walk at least 10miles by 1.00am without being sexually harrased?

That totally depends on your environment. Where I am, I can do it!
Besides, have you seen ladies that walk around with knives? Siddon der

alutacontinua: In everyday life, i have EQUAL RIGHTS with every other man out there. WE ARE EQUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's only my HUSBAND that is an exception to that. For all other men, we are equals.
Passionate88 and causewahala don't have any right greater than mine...

u neva still arrive, u re nt a true feminist. Feminism neva enta ya blood. Like dm talk am for bible, u re neither hot nor cold bt lukewarm nd u will be spitted out. That bolded part of ur post give u away. No go there.

passionate88: u neva still arrive, u re nt a true feminist. Feminism neva enta ya blood. Like dm talk am for bible, u re neither hot nor cold bt lukewarm nd u will be spitted out. That bolded part of ur post give u away. No go there.

Well, if you have a problem with the fact that my husband is an exception to my stand on male-female equality, then, that is your problem, not mine! I am not spitting out anywhere. I don't want to derail this debate, else, I would have made you to see that in life, we all pick what favours us in every situation and dump the rest. Most especially, when it comes to civilization. If agreeing with the fact that my husband is to be respected by me makes you think i'm not a feminist, then, I'M NOT. I never said I am to start with. I don't even like the tag 'FEMINISM'

carmelion:
Honey that was harsh,that's just my opinion.Sorry if I disappoint you.

Ok,let's come to a middle point here.Which gender can courageously walk at least 10miles by 1.00am without being sexually harrased?

Who made the gender unable to walk at that time? A natural disability?

Which gender can be stranded under the rain and not get a lift

alutacontinua:

Well, I don't think the kind of submission the bible was talking about between Christians is the kind of submission between husband and wife.
I might be going to church for 6 whole months and no issue comes up that I need submission to deal with. You will also notice that to relate with pastors and leaders in church and 'submit to them' or respect them, people tend to see them a lil higher than they are...consciously or unconsciously.

Sweetheart, submission is submission. There are no types of submission.

Ok, what does submission mean to you?

FEMINISM... Hmmmmm... In my opinion, feminism, as with other things in life, when taken to the extreme, causes problems. A woman has rights. She is human for crying out loud and not a property. She is a partner and not an inferior slave.
When taken to the extreme, feminism throws submissivenes and respect for one's husband to the dogs. Women would always want to compare with me. There is nothing wrong with that, but when you now see yourselves as equal to your husband, na there problem dey. I am talking in respect of marriage.
Outside marriage, the law protects women. You can be whatever you want to be. There is no height a woman is prevented from, just because she is a woman.

bukatyne:

Sweetheart, submission is submission. There are no types of submission.

Ok, what does submission mean to you?

ehhhhmmmmm, make others contribute to the issue on hand. I have something to do now...i'll be back later.
Anybody that has questions for me should put them down. I'll be back to answer all of them.
It's been a while I got involved in debates like this.

cmega123: FEMINISM... Hmmmmm... In my opinion, feminism, as with other things in life, when taken to the extreme, causes problems. A woman has rights. She is human for crying out loud and not a property. She is a partner and not an inferior slave.
When taken to the extreme, feminism throws submissivenes and respect for one's husband to the dogs. Women would always want to compare with me. There is nothing wrong with that, but when you now see yourselves as equal to your husband, na there problem dey. I am talking in respect of marriage.
Outside marriage, the law protects women. You can be whatever you want to be. There is no height a woman is prevented from, just because she is a woman.

My brother, God go bless you yafun yafun...You go marry better wife...Your life go sweet sotey you sef go become sugar. Thank you very mush. Finally, A MAN understands the concept.

alutacontinua:

Well, if you have a problem with the fact that my husband is an exception to my stand on male-female equality, then, that is your problem, not mine! I am not spitting out anywhere. I don't want to derail this debate, else, I would have made you to see that in life, we all pick what favours us in every situation and dump the rest. Most especially, when it comes to civilization. If agreeing with the fact that my husband is to be respected by me makes you think i'm not a feminist, then, I'M NOT. I never said I am to start with. I don't even like the tag 'FEMINISM'

if a gal come toast me, dey take me out steadily, cheat on me, buy me fones, recharge my line, i dey slp for her house sometimes, she dey send me cash, dey give my ppl cash, come pay my groom price, etc. Then I go ready die for her bt if she sit town wit her nyansh me come do everything she cm open mouth one day dey yan feminism for me!. Jesus is Lord sha, na wetin I go just talk be that. Jesus is Lord.

passionate88: if a gal come toast me, dey take me out steadily, cheat on me, buy me fones, recharge my line, i dey slp for her house sometimes, she dey send me cash, dey give my ppl cash, come pay my groom price, etc. Then I go ready die for her bt if she sit town wit her nyansh me come do everything she cm open mouth one day dey yan feminism for me!. Jesus is Lord sha, na wetin I go just talk be that. Jesus is Lord.

TO EACH HIS OWN!
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alutacontinua:

ehhhhmmmmm, make others contribute to the issue on hand. I have something to do now...i'll be back later.
Anybody that has questions for me should put them down. I'll be back to answer all of them.
It's been a while I got involved in debates like this.

expecting you dear

cmega123: FEMINISM... Hmmmmm... In my opinion, feminism, as with other things in life, when taken to the extreme, causes problems. A woman has rights. She is human for crying out loud and not a property. She is a partner and not an inferior slave.
When taken to the extreme, feminism throws submissivenes and respect for one's husband to the dogs. Women would always want to compare with me. There is nothing wrong with that, but when you now see yourselves as equal to your husband, na there problem dey. I am talking in respect of marriage.
Outside marriage, the law protects women. You can be whatever you want to be. There is no height a woman is prevented from, just because she is a woman.

What is wrong in a woman seeing herself as equal to her husband?

I like you are talking about extreme feminism and not just the general concept. Extremes are bad

bukatyne:

How can guys edge out if there are some things a lady can do that they can't? How can we come to a midpoint if guys edge out?

There are a lot of wasteful men out there; there is NO vice distinct to one sex only

@ bolded: Would it be ok to say that your woman can creep with your bestie if she does all the chores esp if you are handicapped?

In all, I get the concept of your post; you should do unto others as you want others to do unto you. I agree.

@ ur 1st paragraph, remember I noted the leader thingy is subject to discourse, if you can convince me you've earned the right to be on an equal pedestal or u've earned that right to lead me, I'm ready to e-submit to u. . . until then we'll keep playing ping-pong with grammar!

@ the 2nd: the very fact that guys are expected to provide for the family checks their excessive nature, can u say that about babes that goes shopping for hours on end?

U also mentioned finance, if she pays her bills, I have no moral standing to creep, I also noted that the condition is applicable if she's got the moneuy but prefers to leech!


My points ain' as weighty as I want as I dey work, gbege must not happen on my watch, hopefully u're on naija time zone, this should get interesting tonight!


Passion, abeg leave lutadoll oooh! Na her kind dey shout harassment and gender inequality when jungle mature!

causewahala:

@ ur 1st paragraph, remember I noted the leader thingy is subject to discourse, if you can convince me you've earned the right to be on an equal pedestal or u've earned that right to lead me, I'm ready to e-submit to u. . . until then we'll keep playing ping-pong with grammar!

@ the 2nd: the very fact that guys are expected to provide for the family checks their excessive nature, can u say that about babes that goes shopping for hours on end?

U also mentioned finance, if she pays her bills, I have no moral standing to creep, I also noted that the condition is applicable if she's got the moneuy but prefers to leech!


My points ain' as weighty as I want as I dey work, gbege must not happen on my watch, hopefully u're on naija time zone, this should get interesting tonight!


Passion, abeg leave lutadoll oooh! Na her kind dey shout harassment and gender inequality when jungle mature!

I didn't mention finance O! I said chores and not finance.

I don't have to prove to you that we are equal because we are created equal.

I am @ work too I don't like typing with my mobile so don't be disappointed if you don't see me

bukatyne:

I didn't mention finance O! I said chores and not finance.

I don't have to prove to you that we are equal because we are created equal.

I am @ work too I don't like typing with my mobile so don't be disappointed if you don't see me

You caught me napping with that 1st statement, trust me it won't happen again! Yeah, very typical of a babe to twist premises. Well I made my self expressively clear and you admit you got my drift, do to me what u expect, if u're rich don't keep urs and spend mine. If I'm handicapped you'd have to factor that into the equation cos that's what I'd do for you as well.

@ ur 2nd statement, na you and who dem create equal? Shebi u sabi bible? U know from where God take the raw material to create u?

E be like sey na u be the oga@thetop for feminism abi?

bukatyne:

What is wrong in a woman seeing herself as equal to her husband?

I like you are talking about extreme feminism and not just the general concept. Extremes are bad

Einstein basically proved that EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE. True, extremes are bad, but what could be extreme to me, could be the beginning of another's journey.
Whether you like it or not, the man paid for your head (your brideprice). What that literally means is this, "He owns you." I am not a proponent of a woman being a property, as she is an image of God. What I think the paying of the brideprice should mean to a lady is this, "He has paid for my head to become my head." What i think it should mean for a man should be this, "I have paid for her head, therefore, she is now comparable (not equal) to me."
Inequality does not mean inferiority. God made a woman to be comparable to the man, not equal. That does not connot equality and also does not mean inferiority.

causewahala:

You caught me napping with that 1st statement, trust me it won't happen again! Yeah, very typical of a babe to twist premises. Well I made my self expressively clear and you admit you got my drift, do to me what u expect, if u're rich don't keep urs and spend mine. If I'm handicapped you'd have to factor that into the equation cos that's what I'd do for you as well.

@ ur 2nd statement, na you and who dem create equal? Shebi u sabi bible? U know from where God take the raw material to create u?

E be like sey na u be the oga@thetop for feminism abi?

I am not twisting premises. I am just pointing out that that statement was not sensible.

Where in the bible did God state men and women are not equal?

Animals and Adam from created from the soil, are they equal? If you have going down that route, then women should be superior because they are made from finished product

cmega123:
Einstein basically proved that EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE. True, extremes are bad, but what could be extreme to me, could be the beginning of another's journey.
Whether you like it or not, the man paid for your head (your brideprice). What that literally means is this, "He owns you." I am not a proponent of a woman being a property, as she is an image of God. What I think the paying of the brideprice should mean to a lady is this, "He has paid for my head to become my head." What i think it should mean for a man should be this, "I have paid for her head, therefore, she is now comparable (not equal) to me."
Inequality does not mean inferiority. God made a woman to be comparable to the man, not equal. That does not connot equality and also does not mean inferiority.

So are you saying that the husband is not the head of his family in cultures bride price is not paid? The headship of a man has nothing to do with bride price.

It's either equal or not equal.

Genesis 3:16 please make person post that verse here for us.

bukatyne:

I am not twisting premises. I am just pointing out that that statement was not sensible.

Do u believe in do unto me as you'd want to be done?

If no state reason, if yes. . . why do you say my bedding your bestie is not sensible since you leeching (I stated all these conditions in my previous post, go back and read if you don't understand)

bukatyne:

Where in the bible did God state men and women are not equal?

1 Cor 11:3

@ this junction, I would like to assert I'm your superior till you counter otherwise!

causewahala:

Do u believe in do unto me as you'd want to be done?

If no state reason, if yes. . . why do you say my bedding your bestie is not sensible since you leeching (I stated all these conditions in my previous post, go back and read if you don't understand)



1 Cor 11:3

@ this junction, I would like to assert I'm your superior till you counter otherwise!

1. Yes, it's the golden rule in the bible
Are you comparing cheating your wife, breaking your martial vows to stinginess and selfishness?

Read Gal 3: 28, 1pet 3: 7

Lol@ been my superior! you have got nothing on me!