alutacontinua: To be sincere, i still don't get passionate's point.

Thats because you like to apply double standard! I nor get time to debate right now, maybe later in the day! You might wanno watch this film: 'BLUE EYED BUTCHER-SUSAN WRIGHT' I know you'll come back and tell me its not related to this topic. . . worreva!

That lady butchered her husband and was claiming weaker sex, abuse and battery. . . bla bla bla

I dey come back for night, make I enter work for now!

My points b say, if u dey or wan 2 do feminism, do am to the full. No do half, leave d remaining. Anything wey man dey do, u sef do.
Toast guy, buy fone nd stuffs for guys, f**k nd dump guys, carry belle for guys then u deny say no b them get am, marry husband then keep am for house while u fend for him nd ur children. When u do this nd d rest things wey men dey do, then u fit come dey talk say u b 21st century feminist.

passionate88: My points b say, if u dey or wan 2 do feminism, do am to the full. No do half, leave d remaining. Anything wey man dey do, u sef do.
Toast guy, buy fone nd stuffs for guys, f**k nd dump guys, carry belle for guys then u deny say no b them get am, marry husband then keep am for house while u fend for him nd ur children. When u do this nd d rest things wey men dey do, then u fit come dey talk say u b 21st century feminist.

I think what the person who raised the topic was trying to say is that we should debate it. "Is it right or not". She didn't say you should dish advice. . However, we have heard you. We go dey do am to the full. Now, back to the issue, do you support it or not? SIMPLES!

causewahala, wetin come cause double standard here now. I say i no get am, u come dey talk double standard.
I have made my own stand clear on the issue, i don't even like to call it feminism but we're not dumb or weak, we're important people in the society. Westernization has brought a lot of things with advantages and disadvantages. Feminism or woman-empowerment being one of them. I WOULD NEVER DISRESPECT OR INSULT MY HUSBAND IN THE NAME OF FEMINISM but at the same time, I WOULD NEVER ALLOW ANY MAN TO CHEAT OR ABUSE ME IN THE NAME OF 'HE IS A MAN'. If that is too hard for any man to swallow, he can as well use the door.

GOOD MORNING!

I agree that this feminism thing came about cos some women were being maltreated. Some Nigerian babes don't even understand it fully. If u as a woman want to buy into this feminism thing the Nigerian way then
1. You must pay your own pride price. Afterall money spent on your education is for your own good.
2. You must contribute equally to the upkeep of the house with your husband.
3. You must do everything a man can do. No considerations.

Afterall,if u are strong enough to take a hard d1ck,u should be strong enough to do anything a man can do.

alutacontinua: One thing about human beings is that we always love to eat our cake and have it. Feminism has its own advantages and disadvantages. On the average, i'll say the advantages are more than the disadvantages. Infact, IF MANAGED WELL, it has almost no disadvantages. But as subomidoll has said, our men over-exaggerate things because their ego is just as mighty as mountain kilimanjaro. They want a lady who looks sexy in the house even after 4 children, works and contributes to the income of the family, speaks good english and is presentable to the society (all these are characteristics of 21st century women) but they still want to sit down in the sitting room reading newspaper or nairalanding while she does all the cooking, washing, cleaning and taking care of kids. That is what we call "Eating your cake and having it". They cannot have both. If they want a 21st century woman, they have to also become 21st century men. However, in their dictionary, the definition of a 21st century man is "A WEAK MAN WHO HAS NO LIVER INSIDE OF HIM".

However, I have to stress the part where I said "IF MANAGED WELL" because too much of everything is bad. Everything should have limits and we should be able to keep 'feminimism' in the limits of maximizing its benefits and reducing its negative effects. I don't see it as feminism though, i prefer to call it '21st century spirit'. And to say the truth, who really wants to go back to dwell in the 1850's.

Thanks for this

No b u start to dey list things when she ask if feminism good?, why u come dey change mouth nw?, or u go say no b u write this thing?. Na wa to some girls o.

alutacontinua: One thing about human beings is that we always love to eat our cake and have it. Feminism has its own advantages and disadvantages. On the average, i'll say the advantages are more than the disadvantages. Infact, IF MANAGED WELL, it has almost no disadvantages. But as subomidoll has said, our men over-exaggerate things because their ego is just as mighty as mountain kilimanjaro. They want a lady who looks sexy in the house even after 4 children, works and contributes to the income of the family, speaks good english and is presentable to the society (all these are characteristics of 21st century women) but they still want to sit down in the sitting room reading newspaper or nairalanding while she does all the cooking, washing, cleaning and taking care of kids. That is what we call "Eating your cake and having it". They cannot have both. If they want a 21st century woman, they have to also become 21st century men. However, in their dictionary, the definition of a 21st century man is "A WEAK MAN WHO HAS NO LIVER INSIDE OF HIM".

However, I have to stress the part where I said "IF MANAGED WELL" because too much of everything is bad. Everything should have limits and we should be able to keep 'feminimism' in the limits of maximizing its benefits and reducing its negative effects. I don't see it as feminism though, i prefer to call it '21st century spirit'. And to say the truth, who really wants to go back to dwell in the 1850's.

carmelion: I think the question should be,where are we equal?

Is it in strength?

Or in bravery?Courage?

Where please?

I mean generally.

look at it this way, Sally and Sandy are two girls in a school.

Sally is taller, more beautiful, more brilliant than Sandy.

Sandy is more courageous than Sally.

Are they equal?

passionate88: No b u start to dey list things when she ask if feminism good?, why u come dey change mouth nw?, or u go say no b u write this thing?. Na wa to some girls o.

Do you support it or not?
Why you go just dey merry-go round issue like this?

causewahala: Generalization seems to be the order of the day here. Can any of you come out boldly and tell me these trait is applicable to all Nigerian males? I know a couple of guys who used to do stuffs for their babes way back in school including washing undies. . . na feminist like una tag them WEAKLING back then for assisting their babes. I know a more growing proportion of married guys who help out with daily chores. . . una go sit behind system begin generalize like person wey time leave behind in the 14th century!

Feminist(s) in the house, make una nor worry. That irritable institution called marriage go soon fade into oblivion and cohabitation will be the order of the day!

I go see who una wan form feminist for by then! Mtchew!

As for Carmy and her turn offs. . .

Is this in relation to my question or was this discussion ongoing?

passionate88: Men and women are not equal.. Men do respect women, but to consider them as equal!, na for where na?. Wetin women fit do?, can u do what a man can do?. Abeg. Make una no watch film or na documentary I go call am come imbibe everything dm talk. Feminism na western culture (e neva even dey fully accepted there sef). I talk am b4 nd I go talk am again, if una wan do d feminism of a thing, make una go d whole 9 yards, no go half way, if u go half way, e just b like wetin Jesus talk, u pt ur hand 4 d plough nd look back u no even fit to b call a woman talk more of feminist.

If a woman can beat a man floorless, does that mean that the woman is superior?

What is African culture?

thehunted: I agree that this feminism thing came about cos some women were being maltreated. Some Nigerian babes don't even understand it fully. If u as a woman want to buy into this feminism thing the Nigerian way then
1. You must pay your own pride price. Afterall money spent on your education is for your own good.
2. You must contribute equally to the upkeep of the house with your husband.
3. You must do everything a man can do. No considerations.

Afterall,if u are strong enough to take a hard d1ck,u should be strong enough to do anything a man can do.

Is this the basis of feminism?

Do you believe men and women are equal?

bukatyne:

Is this the basis of feminism?

Do you believe men and women are equal?

Thank you, my sister. They're just parabulating. YES or NO? wetin come cause big english?

alutacontinua:

Do you support it or not?
Why you go just dey merry-go round issue like this?

If d girls want to indulge fully in it, I go support am 100% bt if na d pretentious type wey una dey form, then me no dey nd will never dey in support of am. Na im make I quote that Jesus's quote 4 u.

passionate88: If d girls want to indulge fully in it, I go support am 100% bt if na d pretentious type wey una dey form, then me no dey nd will never dey in support of am. Na im make I quote that Jesus's quote 4 u.

GBAM! u're now talking.
If you meet a lady who would share your duties in the house 50-50 and you would also make roster for cleaning the house and cooking, you no go mind am. But if you meet one who says she'll be assisting with the finances and you shld help her out in the kitchen once in a while, that one you no go support. I'm starting to get your drift now, boss!

alutacontinua:

Thank you, my sister. They're just parabulating. YES or NO? wetin come cause big english?

na who dey parambulate?. Y una no dey fit do something well?. No b oyibo say anything worth doing is worth doing well?. Make una do am well na not half baked way. Na still una go come here dey say una no fit toast guy, una no fit propose yet una dey equate unaselves as equal.

alutacontinua:

GBAM! u're now talking.
If you meet a lady who would share your duties in the house 50-50 and you would also make roster for cleaning the house and cooking, you no go mind am. But if you meet one who says she'll be assisting with the finances and you shld help her out in the kitchen once in a while, that one you no go support. I'm starting to get your drift now, boss!

where I talk say I no go support if she help out wit d finance?. Abeg quote nd pt am in bold make I see am, mayb I miss dt part.

passionate88: where I talk say I no go support if she help out wit d finance?. Abeg quote nd pt am in bold make I see am, mayb I miss dt part.

That was an example of what i guess you meant by:

passionate88: If d girls want to indulge fully in it, I go support am 100% bt if na d pretentious type wey una dey form, then me no dey nd will never dey in support of am. Na im make I quote that Jesus's quote 4 u.

Abi no be dt kain tin u dey talk. If she wants to do it, DO IT 100%. I bliv an example of that is sharing the finances in the house 50-50 and the house chores 50-50.

Half-baked one: I'll go out and work to contribute some of the finances in the house, but when i'm tired and I come back from work, u go dey help me cut onions when I'm frying plantain. No be dt kain tin u talk say u no lyk?

Something like that

passionate88: Something like that, she go also pay groom price, etc. Then I go consider her my equal

I get your drift now.

I, as a lady, I don't like that. If any thing, my religion teaches me that my husband is my head. So, i would not equalize myself but I am a human being like him and he has to respect that and himself too. I'll take the good side of empowerment and dump the other side of it. I prefer it that way.

But, I like your side to it, though. Sounds interesting. Did I say good morning to you?

Whosoever or whatsover modified my previous post. God dey see u

alutacontinua:

I get your drift now.

I, as a lady, I don't like that. b[If any thing, my religion teaches me that my husband is my head. So, i would not equalize myself[/b] but I am a human being like him and he has to respect that and himself too. I'll take the good side of empowerment and dump the other side of it. I prefer it that way.

But, I like your side to it, though. Sounds interesting. Did I say good morning to you?

What do mean at the bolded?

What does 'a husband being the head' mean to you?

bukatyne:

What do mean at the bolded?

What does 'a husband being the head' mean to you?

It means he's in charge of the family within the limits and confines of common sense.

alutacontinua:

It means he's in charge of the family within the limits and confines of common sense.

You said you would not equalize yourself with your husband.

Please explain

[s]From the spiritual, God is in charge of the home[/s]

bukatyne:

You said you would not equalize yourself with your husband.

Please explain

[s]From the spiritual, God is in charge of the home[/s]

Let's assume I'm dealing with a man that is normal now, a man who loves and trusts me, RESPECTS me and my views and all of that. I suppose massage his ego for him too now...I have to make him feel like a man. He has the final say when it comes to issues, i listen to him, obey him, respect him and all of that. But if i'm dealing with a man who sees me as a property, GOD FORBID! Na to treat him like baggage too. You get my drift or I need to explain further...

alutacontinua:

Let's assume I'm dealing with a man that is normal now, a man who loves and trusts me, RESPECTS me and my views and all of that. I suppose massage his ego for him too now...I have to make him feel like a man. He has the final say when it comes to issues, i listen to him, obey him, respect him and all of that. But if i'm dealing with a man who sees me as a property, GOD FORBID! Na to treat him like baggage too. You get my drift or I need to explain further...

I get your views...

It's tit for tat

I hope this topic will not detail this tread

bukatyne:

I mean generally.

look at it this way, Sally and Sandy are two girls in a school.

Sally is taller, more beautiful, more brilliant than Sandy.

Sandy is more courageous than Sally.

Are they equal?

@Bukatyne,Yes they are equal,cos when it comes to beauty and intelligence,only one can serve while ,when it comes courage,then the other would lay back.Besides they are both students. To the point,just like men and women,they need each other to be complete.

But if within their class or school(marriage),any of them is commanded by the teacher(GOD) to RESPECT one amongst them(MEN,HUSBAND),then I think they are no longer equal,the respected one is greater.


There is a reason why that particular one, was chosen to be respected.

By the way,am digging aluta's style of arguement . I mean from the marriage angle. I never wan put mouth for that side. When I get there I will cross it,cos it depends on who I end up with.

I think mine is coming from the angle of our everyday life. The way men and women interact.

carmelion:
@Bukatyne,Yes they are equal,cos when it comes to beauty and intelligence,only one can serve while ,when it comes courage,then the other would lay back.Besides they are both students. To the point,just like men and women,they need each other to be complete.

But if within their class or school(marriage),any of them is commanded by the teacher(GOD) to RESPECT one amongst them(MEN,HUSBAND),then I think they are no longer equal,the respected one is greater.


There is a reason why that particular one, was chosen to be respected.

Hi, morning

There are really 2 angles:

Everyday interaction
Marriage

Ok, Lets go to everyday interaction: You believe a man is superior to a woman? i.e. a random man is superior to a random woman because he is a man?

bukatyne:

Is this in relation to my question or was this discussion ongoing?

Some of ur girls were throwing in the kitchen sink tactics @ feminism so I felt I might as well rep the boys! As per feminism itself, majority of those championing the cause barely understand it. Some guys are set in their way and believe they're all and all(quite archaic reasoning) those of us willing to be partners as we (male & female) mutually deem fit should be encouraged not castigated and lumped along with the others.
If you want to be treated with respect, there're things expected of you, if you meet your obligations and boify's not fulfilling his, then bounce, no be by force!

If I pay all your bills without complaining (particularly when you're empowered financially), don't cry foul if you see me creeping with ur bestie. I'll never lay my hands on you so long as you don't slap me first and start claiming you couldn't control your emotion, or you're a weaker vessel and should be allowed to express youself. . . I go DECK u life! Don't expect breakfast in bed if you always talk me into eating out and can't even do the dishes talkless of cooking when you come visiting.

Talking about equality, its simply an illusive idea some female like to cling to to get away with some ish! There's bound to be a head in any institution, bible supports it, society supports it. Whether it naturally belongs to the man is subject for discourse. However, men are doing better job leading, we don't blow salaries on LV bag and shoes, we provide security in terms of finance, physical and otherwise, and that leader(father) figure, I know ladies can equally do some of these but not all. we can do this all day cos I ain' even started yet!

Whatever parameter you choose, guys would still edge out babes! I know there're tasks babes can do guys can't, etc child bearing (talking natural things). There're also tasks reserve for guys naturally, we'd have to weigh it all and come to a midpoint.

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@causewahala, u talk am well, me sef no fit talk am like that. U tight. Make d girls dm do am na. Weda na for marriage or boy friend nd gal frnd thing or na jst normal day life. Big hypocrits dey here boku. How person go open mouth dey talk say man nd woman na equal?, where we equal reach?. Make una no take respect mistake am as equality o. No wonder dm talk say if u give person small space im go wan chance u. Make una knw say respect no b fooIishness, jst because man respect u no mean say u go take am to b fo0I

bukatyne:


Hi, morning

There are really 2 angles:

Everyday interaction
Marriage

Ok, Lets go to everyday interaction: You believe a man is superior to a woman? i.e. a random man is superior to a random woman because he is a man?

Yes!as long as they both have same opportinities-Education,Social circle,Same form of freedom,Same career opportunity, same everything,a man is still superior.

There are limits to what a woman.


Take for instance in the work place.I know positions like Customer care officers,Front desk/receptionists are mostly taken by women but,you might want to agree with me,guys do that also.

How many companies employ women drivers,especially those that has to do with inter-state driving? How about technical parts?Engineers?

Trust me when a woman manages to get to a 'masculine' positiob,it is seen as news.It is celebarted.


To me,the only thing feminine role that men are yet to play is everything that has to do with birthing.And that's because,of their natural inability to do that.

Please remind me,what else women can do which men cannot do?May be that will change my mind.

causewahala:

Some of ur girls were throwing in the kitchen sink tactics @ feminism so I felt I might as well rep the boys! As per feminism itself, majority of those championing the cause barely understand it. Some guys are set in their way and believe they're all and all(quite archaic reasoning) those of us willing to be partners as we (male & female) mutually deem fit should be encouraged not castigated and lumped along with the others.
If you want to be treated with respect, there're things expected of you, if you meet your obligations and boify's not fulfilling his, then bounce, no be by force!

If I pay all your bills without complaining (particularly when you're empowered financially), don't cry foul if you see me creeping with ur bestie. I'll never lay my hands on you so long as you don't slap me first and start claiming you couldn't control your emotion, or you're a weaker vessel and should be allowed to express youself. . . I go DECK u life! Don't expect breakfast in bed if you always talk me into eating out and can't even do the dishes talkless of cooking when you come visiting.

Talking about equality, its simply an illusive idea some female like to cling to to get away with some ish! There's bound to be a head in any institution, bible supports it, society supports it. Whether it naturally belongs to the man is subject for discourse. However, men are doing better job leading, we don't blow salaries on LV bag and shoes, we provide security in terms of finance, physical and otherwise, and that leader(father) figure, I know ladies can equally do some of these but not all. we can do this all day cos I ain' even started yet!

Whatever parameter you choose, guys would still edge out babes! I know there're tasks babes can do guys can't, etc child bearing (talking natural things). There're also tasks reserve for guys naturally, we'd have to weigh it all and come to a midpoint.

How can guys edge out if there are some things a lady can do that they can't? How can we come to a midpoint if guys edge out?

There are a lot of wasteful men out there; there is NO vice distinct to one sex only

@ bolded: Would it be ok to say that your woman can creep with your bestie if she does all the chores esp if you are handicapped?

In all, I get the concept of your post; you should do unto others as you want others to do unto you. I agree.