davidylan:

I wasnt talking about meiosis either. homologous recombination can occur outside of meiosis. That is fact.

Secondly... wikipedia isnt necessarily written by idiots either and i provided 2 papers for you to read except you were too quick to run with your head in a bucket of sand.

redsun:

I don't think there are much differences between technological evolution and biological. Man's ability to think,reason,create and innovates helps him to transform himself from one physical feature and condition to another.

Humans would still be looking like apes on the bush if they have not thought of rszor/blades to shave. And you can see evidences of evolutionary traits and gaps among modern humans in the way people live. Some are thousands of years apart from each other in the evolutionary race,just because the ones behind are slow to catch up with the concept of evolution,as in the case of Africa that is bothering with ancient beliefs like Christianity and living in abject miseries as a result of not knowing. While the west is on the mission of relocating to mars with earth almost at its tatters from over exploration.

davidylan:

I wasnt talking about meiosis either. homologous recombination can occur outside of meiosis. That is fact.

Secondly... wikipedia isnt necessarily written by idiots either and i provided 2 papers for you to read except you were too quick to run with your head in a bucket of sand.

all4naija: Stop beating around the bush. ooman is very correct and his explanation is clear enough.

all4naija:
In simple term, Trangene doesn't occur in that form naturally.

davidylan:


What is a "trangene"? A gene that is transfered is a transgene. Genes occur naturally and gene transfer is a well known fact of science.

What is it you were saying?

davidylan:

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about but simply jumped in to support a fellow atheist.



this is brainless word salad.

1. Of course all genes occur naturally... that would be a silly thing to be debating and certainly wasnt what the discussion was about.

2. What do you mean by "being something different from the particular genes it is extracted from"? Can you extract a gene from a gene? You simply need to clone a gene from a genome, you cant just cut out a gene from a living organism. That was the most senseless statement i've read on here all day.

3. There is nothing like a "transgene organism" - its a transgenic organism



What is a "trangene"? A gene that is transfered is a transgene. Genes occur naturally and gene transfer is a well known fact of science.

What is it you were saying?

chukkynwob:

Biologically there is no difference between humans in African jungles 200 years ago and you, so please that you have computers now or that you go to the moon,is not [size=20pt]BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION[/size] if there is please tell m

davidylan:

Obviously you need to ask for a refund of your school fees. Homologous recombination is the most important pathway in DNA strand-break repair. Any genetics textbook worth its salt should contain a chapter on this. Here is a paper to make your day (unlike you, i actually provide evidence for my facts) -

DNA double-strand break repair by homologous recombination

redsun:
Did u just say 200 years. 200 years in in evolutionary traits is less than 1000th of a second.

These things have been for billions of years and it transforms,destroys,shape and recreate itself as time goes by

The only thing that remains the same is time and it remains as a concept as long as humans exist. Like every other thing,time is man's imagination.

chukkynwob:


Please Davidlyan Atheist or not,if ooman can tell me seeing a bolt of lightening is seeing energy,and that an eee is an electrician or redsun telling me having computers and living in a technologically advance world is the same as or remotely close to biological evolution,then there is a fundamental problem and obvious knowledge gaps. Atheist just argue for the sake of arguing.

chukkynwob:

Where is the proof that apes turned into humans?

Despite the evidence being pathetic, even if you claim the title of World's Biggest Optimist, evolutionists still tell the story that once upon a time humans evolved from ape-like creatures.

Many years ago this argument seemed credible to a lot of people because there was so little hominid fossil evidence that it was easy to imagine evolutionary links everywhere.

But things have changed. Thousands of fossils and fossil fragments of apes and humans have now been found — and they don't show a steady progression from apes to humans at all. Fossils have been found in the wrong time-frames, put into the wrong categories before all the evidence was in, and what was once thought to be the ape-human family tree now actually has no trunk — just unconnected branches.

Because evolutionists can't change their theory, they are stuck with the evidence looking more confusing for them with each new hominid/homin/hominine fossil discovery. Instead of clarifying the alleged link between apes and humans, new fossil discoveries are making it harder to show which type of ape or ape-like creature evolved into a human.

HerexG :


All this happens because most of them ve all deviated from the through calling of Christ, which is Love. They are now lovers of themselves. If ye truly love thyselves, you will do thyselves no harm.

ooman:

pls tell us, what do you define as energy. Let me know your view on energy, dont just make me feel unintelligent, make yourself feel intelligent too.

davidylan:

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about but simply jumped in to support a fellow atheist.



this is brainless word salad.

1. Of course all genes occur naturally... that would be a silly thing to be debating and certainly wasnt what the discussion was about.

2. What do you mean by "being something different from the particular genes it is extracted from"? Can you extract a gene from a gene? You simply need to clone a gene from a genome, you cant just cut out a gene from a living organism. That was the most senseless statement i've read on here all day.

3. There is nothing like a "transgene organism" - its a transgenic organism



What is a "trangene"? A gene that is transfered is a transgene. Genes occur naturally and gene transfer is a well known fact of science.

What is it you were saying?

ooman:

The proof is that chimpanzees and humans share more than 98% of their gene and so must have evolved from same ancestor.

That is verified. the ancestor of other apes and human diverged some 200tya. we progressively evolved from autralopethecus, then afarensis, then habilis, then erectus, till it get to us, sapiens. There is your proof.

chukkynwob:

Where is the proof that apes turned into humans?

Despite the evidence being pathetic, even if you claim the title of World's Biggest Optimist, evolutionists still tell the story that once upon a time humans evolved from ape-like creatures.

Many years ago this argument seemed credible to a lot of people because there was so little hominid fossil evidence that it was easy to imagine evolutionary links everywhere.

But things have changed. Thousands of fossils and fossil fragments of apes and humans have now been found — and they don't show a steady progression from apes to humans at all. Fossils have been found in the wrong time-frames, put into the wrong categories before all the evidence was in, and what was once thought to be the ape-human family tree now actually has no trunk — just unconnected branches.

Because evolutionists can't change their theory, they are stuck with the evidence looking more confusing for them witheach new hominid/homin/hominine fossil discovery. Instead of clarifying the alleged link between apes and humans, new fossil discoveries are making it harder to show which type of ape or ape-like creature evolved into a human.

redsun:

You don't have to literally turn from ape in the bush to the dressed up man u are today for you to believe in evolution. In no distantly man was in the same situations of living in the bush as hunter gatherer,living in open,eating wild and fresh like the lions,before he started thinking and thought if fire,thought of stone tools to the point that he now lives in skyscrapers and fly in the sky with objects made of his brains and hands. Things we take for granted today,but,they didn't come easy

chukkynwob:

To break it down in layman's terms,Look around you. Is anything moving?
Can you hear, see or feel anything? Sure... this is because something is making something happen, and most probably, there is some power at home. This power or ability to make things happen is what we can call energy. It makes things happen. It makes change possible,the change in itself is not the energy. IT IS AN EFFECT

chukkynwob:

Did he change biologically? from hunting in my village to living in scrappers

chukkynwob:

how do you explain thousands of fossils and fossil fragments of apes and humans have now been found — and they don't show a steady progression from apes to humans at all

all4naija: The truth is that human is not different ape genetically!

ooman:

That is because microevolution is not phenotypically expressed. How do you explain presence of mainframe computers when ipads are now available because " they don't show a steady progression from mainframe computers to ipads at all"-that was from you. Now i may also start requesting for missing links between desktop and laptop, between laptop and ipads. Do you understand?

ooman:

YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT. now you are thinking like an evolutionist ( and an atheist). I love your definition, it shows intelligence. It is true that change is not energy, but energy makes change possible. You said "It makes things happen. It makes change possible,the change in itself is not the energy. IT IS AN EFFECT" and i totally agree.

Because energy cannot be created or destroyed,and because of what i quoted from you above, you should be able to understand that since everything came from energy, and since energy cannot be created or destroyed, then creation was a lie.
You have also make energy look like the God you worship when you said "It makes things happen. It makes change possible,"

You have helped me proved evolution right once again. Thank you

chukkynwob:

Did he change biologically? from hunting in my village to living in scrappers

chukkynwob:

if we "broke off" from them, we should still be able to breed.

evidence?

the zebra can breed with the horse.
the lion can breed with the tiger
wolf can breed with the dog
pigs can breed with a hog
the camel can breed with the llama
the grizzly with the polar bear
a leopard and a lion
a bottlenose dolphin and a false killer whale
a tiger and a lion/tiger mix
cow and buffalo
goat and sheep

the list goes on and on and on. but the questions remain, if we are this similar with apes, why can we not breed with them?

chukkynwob:

Are you alright? God cannot be created nor destroyed.everything came from God,you cannot touch or see God but you feel his effect.

Our argument here was when you said you can touch energy,stick to the point.....

all4naija: I am talking of the genetic make up! Get the bigger picture here first and don't complicate the issue.

The reason is that there are mismatch in the chromosomes pairing. However, I am not a biologist or geneticists but it is clear that is one of the reasons why human cannot mate with apes to produce an offspring.

chukkynwob:

if we "broke off" from them, we should still be able to breed.

evidence?

the zebra can breed with the horse.
the lion can breed with the tiger
wolf can breed with the dog
pigs can breed with a hog
the camel can breed with the llama
the grizzly with the polar bear
a leopard and a lion
a bottlenose dolphin and a false killer whale
a tiger and a lion/tiger mix
cow and buffalo
goat and sheep

the list goes on and on and on. but the questions remain, if we are this similar with apes, why can we not breed with them?

chukkynwob:

My dear ATHEIST friend all I see are speculations,get more info before you argue.Lastly before I sleep Jesus loves you and it'll be a shame if you died and realize you in hell and there is a God.... GOODNIGHT Y'all

ooman:

HAVE I NOT TOLD YOU THAT THE GOD YOU WORSHIP IS ENERGY. YOU JUST MADE THAT POINT CLEAR NOW. continue to worship energy, i will continue to use it for my purposes.

If you have felt an electric shock, you have felt electric energy, and electrostatic force, do you understand that, engr?