hisblud:

let me borrow from thehomer on another thread... you only know 3 + 5 = 8 and you assume that because you can comprehend it, it means that '42562646^58953752535' does not exist in your comfort zone. And you classify those that accept the existence of '42562646^58953752535' as ignorant . It shows you are limited...to the least.

ooman:

This is a dumb thinking that does not apply to the premise being discussed.

You are a troll, why should i deny the existence of such a number when in fact it can be shown to mathematically exist?

You make up ideas in your head and then you claim i make up those ideas, how is that for honesty

Proffdada:

Have u seen an atom or electron?

ooman:

An atom - With an AFM Yes

An electron - Heinseinberg said it cannot be seen and its speed determined. so no

Proffdada:

U hv ur answer

ooman:

what answer did I tell you I was looking for??

Proffdada:

Existence of God

ooman:

How does not seeing an electron, an unconscious stuff answer not seeing god, a conscious person?

Proffdada:
simple when you can't see a small electron but u believe its existence then ur thoughts r too limited to believe in God's existence

ooman:

I believe in electron because its mathematically proven and has been weighed, we know a proton is 1839 heavier than it.

What single evidence can you provide for god - a complex conscious being popping into existence from nothing??

Proffdada: what preceeds the big bang that spawned the universe?

ooman:


nothing

Miss Ope:

aha nothing ... Yet u cnt simply believe God ws created out of Nothing.

ooman:

nothing we presently know of.

god is too complex to come from nothing.

Proffdada:

U keep staring at the TRUTH yet you deny,the universe cannot be created from ramdomness, if so there will be a lotta mistakes from these 'trials' and their evidences. You can't construct a building without proper planning or was new york built on randomness?

Proffdada:

U keep staring at the TRUTH yet you deny,the universe cannot be created from ramdomness, if so there will be a lotta mistakes from these 'trials' and their evidences. You can't construct a building without proper planning or was new york built on randomness?

hisblud: what you should understand is the tool used to judge a concept CANNOT be used to judge another even if there might be a relation. Tools used in Mathematical concept, cannot be used to judge music. Or would it?

ooman:

nothing we presently know of.

god is too complex to come from nothing.

musKeeto:

And what's wrong with randomness. I believe in RANDOMNESS. I believe in NOTHING. God came from NOTHING, NOTHING is greater than GOD. I'm a NOTHING believer... believer in the power of nothing...

Proffdada:
I still ask u if nature is based on trial n error there should be remnants and evidences of these processes not the sudden jump to perfection...

musKeeto:
What exactly does this mean? What perfection exactly?

Proffdada:
perfection of each organism to be suited for its purpose and enviroment. Perfection of physical laws binding matter and factors affecting matter,perfection of ur brain able to think at earth's gravity

musKeeto:
What exactly does this mean? What perfection exactly?

musKeeto:
What exactly does this mean? What perfection exactly?

Miss Ope:

Until u tell me how the earth and other 8 planets were formed, Untill u tell me how the natural resources were formed ,Untill u tell me how the rivers, sea, birds, e.tc were formed I will continue to refute ur theory.

Proffdada:
perfection of each organism to be suited for its purpose and enviroment. Perfection of physical laws binding matter and factors affecting matter,perfection of ur brain able to think at earth's gravity

Proffdada:
God didn't come nothing,He is ALL from Him all was intelligently created,

Proffdada: I still ask u if nature is based on trial n error there should be remnants and evidences of these processes not the sudden jump to perfection,

Proffdada: i'm talking about more missing links lying around.. otherwise there will still be a galaxywide of antimatter that will randomly phase out our universe this very minute to start another big bang if there no intelligence. U knowv this probability is infinite mathematically,

ooman:

what does this mean?



there are infact evidence of trial and error. background radiations are junks from the big bang. multiple ice ages and global warming are trial and errors of past environment till number of plants stabilized it as we have it today, and its deteriorating again.



we dont know so much about the universe to make such silly claims.

ooman:

if each organisms are "perfectly " suited to their environment as you claim, then the word "extinction " would not exist. that is one evidence against a perfect god.

Organisms are not perfect or perfectly suited, time and chance happens to all things.

natural laws are not perfect, if they are, they would not change in different environment or become useless in others eg blackhole

the human brain is not perfect, its fallible and can go insane.

there is no perfection in nature.

Proffdada:
Perfection was in the beginning before man sinned

Proffdada:



Exactly, you don't know so much about God to make such silly claims about His existence. God didn't come from nothing,ALL things come from Him.