obadiah777: SATAN WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH GOD. SATAN IS NOT THE ENEMY YOU THINK HE IS. HE IS THE ENEMY IF THE LORD ALLOWS HIM TO JACK YOU UP. HOWEVER HE NEEDS PERMISSION FROM THE LORD BEFORE HE CAN DO HIS DAMAGE. HE IS THE LORDS POLICE-MAN ON EARTH. AN EVIL ANGEL THAT DELIVERS JUSTICE ON BEHALF OF THE LORD. HE DOES NOT ACT ON HIS OWN. THATS AN OLD MYTH. IF YOU WANT VERSES TO WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SUPPLY EM.
JOB 1 VS 12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

Sweetlemon:
Oh really? Ghandi, mandela, red indians, etc were beaten with horse whips, were given crowns of throngs, and crucified So they died on the cross?
Besides, Mandela went through what he went through for South Africans, Ghandi did his for Indians, but our lord Jesus did his for the whole wide world. Can't you just see that the difference is clear??!!!
na wa o!

bolaino: It's a question that should be answered with utmost sincerity, with all honesty and with no religious bias (but I doubt my christian folks will be able to do that).

But let's examine the death of jesus, christians from time immemorial have given us the illusion that it was the greatest and noblest thing any man or God could have done for his people, by paying the ultimate price, ( giving up his life),

But I chose to disagree, in the case of jesus, he is said to be God, and he created all things, having this knowledge how would coming to earth and dying and going back to splendor a big deal? I know of people who have gone through a lot worse for no reward at all, not to talk about jesus, who is supposed to be the beginning and the end, this should have been like a walk in the park for him.

But it was'nt, even knowing fully well that he was going to rise up again and be praised in heaven and on earth for all eternity, he was still scared, begging himself in heaven not to allow the whole thing happen.

Personally I would go through all jesus went through just to be given one billion dollars, I know of people who would go through same tin or even worse for less, did jesus suffer more than the slaves in america? Or did he suffer more than the people who were tortured and beaten to death, in places like cambodia, uganda, rwanda etc, the answer is No, so christians should stop saying how difficult it was for jesus to lay his life down for sinners.

plaetton:

LMAO!
Please kindly explain how was not of a man's spermatozua.
So a man's sperm is genetically sinful, but a woman's egg is without sin?
I am dying of laughter.
How did the holy spirit convert to fetus in mary's womb? Why did it need to stay there for a whole nine months?
Why would god bother to go through that cumbersome process in the first place?

This is surely a record setter as being the most convoluted logic ever posted on NL.

bolaino: It's a question that should be answered with utmost sincerity, with all honesty and with no religious bias (but I doubt my christian folks will be able to do that).

But let's examine the death of jesus, christians from time immemorial have given us the illusion that it was the greatest and noblest thing any man or God could have done for his people, by paying the ultimate price, ( giving up his life),

But I chose to disagree, in the case of jesus, he is said to be God, and he created all things, having this knowledge how would coming to earth and dying and going back to splendor a big deal? I know of people who have gone through a lot worse for no reward at all, not to talk about jesus, who is supposed to be the beginning and the end, this should have been like a walk in the park for him.

But it was'nt, even knowing fully well that he was going to rise up again and be praised in heaven and on earth for all eternity, he was still scared, begging himself in heaven not to allow the whole thing happen.

Personally I would go through all jesus went through just to be given one billion dollars, I know of people who would go through same tin or even worse for less, did jesus suffer more than the slaves in america? Or did he suffer more than the people who were tortured and beaten to death, in places like cambodia, uganda, rwanda etc, the answer is No, so christians should stop saying how difficult it was for jesus to lay his life down for sinners.

manny4life:

Bros, God is not a human that I question his words nor his authority. He gave us the ability to think, discern between good and bad, even before he created the heavens, the angels who worshiped him. God Created Mankind, also created the fallen angel Lucifer, did God know perhaps that he will sin? Maybe, maybe not. Bottom line is that God gave him the opportunity to do right, God cannot change your ways BECAUSE he has given you the will power to do so, that's why we pray God not to give us unto a reprobate mind but to walk in his way, as his chooses.

No matter how we choose to justify it, God is GOD.

Sweetlemon:
It's not everybody Satan needs to take permission from God for. Study your bible harder my dear

yuzedo:
Almost legit bro, but i thought Lucifer means "Son of the Morning"??

Still doesn't address the itsy-bitsy part about God's omniscience... If you knew shittt was gon get fuckedddd up by a nigga, why create him?

If you knew destroying Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't gonna solve the gay scourge, why destroy it?

If you knew destroying the WHOLE EARTH during Noahs time with water wasn't gonna rid the world of sin, why do it?

Does God know what He is doing or he just does trial and error and depends on contingency plans? Man, the bible doesn't sell itself convincingly to people who are willing to go beyond just accepting things blindly without testing. "FAITH" IS NOT ENOUGH!

Okija_juju:

God is not a human that you question his words or authority. Yet you disrespect the Devil, question his words (not like he has said anything sef before), authority and power at will and with impiutnity.. And lest I forget, THE DEVIL IS ALSO NOT HUMAN!!

If you say God did not know that Lucifer would sin, then you have just said the God isnt really Omniscient.

Giving someone a choice, automatically negates the omniscience of God.

Its not a maatter of justifying, its just common sense..

Okija_juju:

God is not a human that you question his words or authority. Yet you disrespect the Devil, question his words (not like he has said anything sef before), authority and power at will and with impiutnity.. And lest I forget, THE DEVIL IS ALSO NOT HUMAN!!

If you say God did not know that Lucifer would sin, then you have just said the God isnt really Omniscient.

Giving someone a choice, automatically negates the omniscience of God.

Its not a maatter of justifying, its just common sense..

damosky12:

in Science the life of a Man comes from the spermatozua. Without the spermatozua, the baby is lifeless. So Jesus was born without spermatozua but by the Holyghost overshadowing a virgin and virginity in the old testament dipicts Holyness. The Life Jesus had was not a life from Man (but from the Holyghost) and he was born of a virgin (HOLY WOMAN). So, He was born Holy. Nobody was ever born that way not even John the baptist. Think about it! Any more questns?

ninja4life: [
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100000000 likes.lol at begging himself in heaven not to allow d cruxifiction to happen like seriously let those trinitians to come and explain.u made good points about those african slaves most esp those born into slavery forced to work in plantation with their mouth locked for decades under whips and molestation imagine comparing wat those people suffered to wat d imaginary jesus suffered for JUST A DAY with wat those slaves suffered for DECADES and some are killed unjustly and dis is happening under d watch of d almighty God who loves everybody but cant save d africans.dats pure rubbish anyway i need a BLACK JESUS

obadiah777: SATAN WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH GOD. SATAN IS NOT THE ENEMY YOU THINK HE IS. HE IS THE ENEMY IF THE LORD ALLOWS HIM TO JACK YOU UP. HOWEVER HE NEEDS PERMISSION FROM THE LORD BEFORE HE CAN DO HIS DAMAGE. HE IS THE LORDS POLICE-MAN ON EARTH. AN EVIL ANGEL THAT DELIVERS JUSTICE ON BEHALF OF THE LORD. HE DOES NOT ACT ON HIS OWN. THATS AN OLD MYTH. IF YOU WANT VERSES TO WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SUPPLY EM.
JOB 1 VS 12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

PROVERBS 16 VS 4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil

COLOSIANS 1 VS 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

musKeeto:

So what exactly did Jesus lose?

Pls tell us, he came from heaven, got his life back and a seat beside his papa Yahweh...


Biggest scam ever if you ask me..

Delafruita:
are you high?lets assume this jesus actually existed(though there is no proof he ever did),did he ever set foot outside syria?did his mythical cabinet have representatives of other countries or continents?

bolaino: lol, nigga u're making smile from ear to ear mann, keep em coming.

damosky12:

look friend. Jesus was not a man, He was 'God Himself' who came in form of a man(John 1:1), He carried the life spirit of God because He was born of that spirit and not a man's spermatozua; that is why He was called Emmanuel meaning God (himself) with us (in form of man). He wasnt born of any man (remember it was the the the prencense of God who over shadowed a holy virgin to bear Him), so he was not a normal being neither was he a sinner genetically because he wasnt born by a man's sperm remember, man is a sinner by nature of Adam. Jesus was not a product of Adam!! HE WAS HOLY IN NATURE AND IN DEED. HE NEVER SINNED AND WAS'NT BORN A SINNER LIKE ALL MEN!! The reason why the sacrifice is esteemed is because of.

1)God's love for man for Jesus to die in the place of sinfull sinners when He himself never sinned. (1Corinth 5:21)

2)He himself was the creator of men. Bible says "...and without Him was not anything made that was made"-JOHN 1:3. He was the one who could die to bear the sins of all men because he made them and remember He could have chosen not to die and kill all men, creating a new set of Men. He chose not "for God SO LOVED the world" this world.


3) A man who hated sin was made to carry it in bulk upon himself, that was why He was praying to God. He wasnt afraid of the death but never wanted to be a sinner for once because He had to carry the sins of the whole world (alive, dead and unborn) upon himself even though He never sinned!

Delafruita:
your biology teacher should be jailed if he/she actually taught you that a baby is lifeless without spermatozoa.my dear,without spermatozoa there can be no fertilisation so there will be no zygote and hence no baby at all.so you need to find another argument to support your point.

991: a man was arrested and sentenced to death, later the authorities wanted to grant him clemency, but the people refused and he was killed. 2000yrs+ later, descendants of homo-africanus are claiming he died for them. very funny!!!

damosky12:
How could God die?

Nice question, God is not a man like you and me, God is awesome, a three in one being;

1)Father: God Himself sitting on the throne

2) Son: Jesus, the word that sent into becoming a flesh, 'John 1:14, that same Word was God himself, that word had God's spirit, holy spirit and life


3)The Hoy Spirit: God could sit on His throne and be at the same time at diffrent parts of the world doing wonders, speaking to His Sons. He is omnipresence, that presence apart from His throne is what is called the Holy Spirit, that Holy Spirit lived in Jesus, that was why He could act like God.



So why call himself Son of David? Evidently, the seed of David wasn't in him.



Just like He was called Son of Joseph too. The fact that He was called the Son of David does not mean He is a seed of David. He only appeared in the family that sprang forth from David's lions. That title was just mere formality, He (Jesus Himself) said "I AM FROM ABOVE:....; I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD (John 8:23) His life was nt from spermatozua but from God above.



So God sent himself to save his creations to pay a debt his creations owed him. I'm not surprised I have to believe this by faith. Faith makes the irrational rational.



Look, not like the creations owe Him. God is not a lier, He doesnt change His word. He already said in the old testament "the soul that sins shall die"-EZEKIEL 18:4. When He says a world, it must follo suit, that was why He had to send Jesus (God in human body) to die in that place. It was legally accepted He took their place since He made them. He became the sin for them. 2COR 5:21. Note: Jesus is God in human body



Again, God sacrificed himself to himself?




Sacrificed Himself for Himself? I did'nt say that. He just had to take their place. He had established the law "the soul that sinneth shal die", He loved them, He had to send His Jesus to die in their place. Note: It was legally acceptable to take thier place by that same law. He was the only one who could because through Him they were made (JOHN 1:3)

Sounds like all the problem of the world today is because Nazareth didn't have an asylum..




It depends on what you mean by asylum.

Whether you believe or not, it doest change the truth still. You'll only be very unsmart not to believe the truth. Its at your detriment since am not asking you to pay me offering or come to my church. THE TRUTH REMAINS "HE DIED FOR YOU ALREADY, REJECT HIM AND BE DAMNED! ACCEPT HIM AND BE SAVED John 3:18, YOU WILL THEN KNOW, HIM (He will show Himself to you, there wouldnt be need to ask these.).-

yuzedo:

Correct me bro, but the Bible says that God cannot see or be in the presence of iniquity/a sinner right?
But it says that Satan went to meet God to plead that he be allowed to test Job..
NOW HOW IN FUCKKKKSSSS NAME DID THAT HAPPEN?! Or is Satan not a lean, mean, sinning machine?
Man, the Bible can be contradictory and ambiguous o! That's just one instance of many of Satan being in God's presence.

obadiah777: WAS A BIG DEAL IN WHAT IT ACCOMPLISHED. IT RE-UNITED A FALLEN WORLD BACK TO GOD

damosky12:

Shuo! am not trying to make sence. It just seems you prefer ignorance to knowledge. You need to see signs and wonders through His name before beliving?