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Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by buklan4realyah(f): 3:23pm On Apr 23, 2013
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! reading some comment and SMH. my pple, stop bin ungrateful.
hold on to ur faith, if u dnt bliv in odas faith, den let go of dem, rather than u sayin bad tin about deir faith.

buh d wisest tin is dat if u accept JESUS today. nd stop dwelling in sin.
dats just d only way!!!
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by Cityguy: 3:23pm On Apr 23, 2013
I initially thought the open wanted answers to enlighten himself but reading through his post, I discovered he is not seeking any knowledge and I can assure anyone with noble intent that whatever gold you have for this guy will not be appreciated as he and his friends are out to provoke, ridicule and denigrate everything Christians hold sacred. To be candid, I am not surprised at all. What I feel instead is pity cos you can't handle it. People should not waste their time trying to reason with you guys, your minds are fixed. I only wonder why insulting treads are allowed on nl so far its not against Islam. This kind of double standard is regrettable. However, the truth is God knows who are His and the time comes when shaff will be separated from the seed. My advice goes to the Christians to hold on to your faith more than ever before. The spirit of the anti-christ is on the prowl. Buy your truth and sell it not. Peace.

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Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by RedLight1: 3:23pm On Apr 23, 2013
mitchyy:
Don't you understand English? Read my post again and stop questioning your creator for a favour he did to save our ass.
who asked him to save our as.ses anyway? From who? Satan or god?
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by hillarymani(m): 3:23pm On Apr 23, 2013
May God have mercy on all of you.Jesus is the way, the truth and life, no one comes to the father except through him. The earlier you accept Jesus into your life, the better for your soul.
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by manny4life(m): 3:25pm On Apr 23, 2013
Red-Light:
who asked him to save our as.ss anyway? From who? Satan or god?

Bros, you don't have to accept GOD/JESUS for doing so... That's the beauty of the will power God has given unto mankind.
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by plaetton: 3:25pm On Apr 23, 2013
manny4life:

Read John 3:16 again...

He died for your sins that whoever BELIEVE in him will not perish.


Perish in what?, by whom?
People suffer and perish everyday, so how have Jesus save anyone from perishing?
Millions dies of hunger, wars, genocides, diseases of every type.
Who has Jesus ever saved?
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by kinethic: 3:25pm On Apr 23, 2013
I used to think ,talk,reason ,mock and scoff God and Christ until he called me. Why wasting time with scoffers .
In the last days there would be scoffers and fools who deny Gods and Christ existence and sacrifice .
OP God is not calling you yet and he is not calling everyone at this time. If he chooses to draw you near to him you won't be told to rephrase .
It doesn't matter what explanation made here you won't understand things of God cos your mind is not renewed yet.
Look around you a lot of evidence of Gods love surrounds us. As it was said that the heart of man is very deep but only God can search it out.
If you want to know God call him by yourself and if you don't want it doesn't change any truth about him.

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Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by stankezzy: 3:26pm On Apr 23, 2013
ednut1: jesus was killed, he didnt die for anyone, his disciples created d stories. shocked
if it where the muslems,they will demand for your head.we are now seeing the difference b/w christianity nd islam.one will want to kill you,if you talk about them,the other will try to educate u when u are ignorant.
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by plaetton: 3:27pm On Apr 23, 2013
manny4life:

There you go again twisting and turning the bible upside down, smh

If you need explanation, PLEASE ASK.

In what other language do you want me to ask?.
Big laugh.
Obviously you have zero answer.
Big laugh.
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by siffax(m): 3:27pm On Apr 23, 2013
Okija_juju: Jesus did not die for us, he was arrested and charged to court for high Treason and heresy, which according to the laws of the land was punishable by death under Section ### of the Roman Laws of the time.

Jesus decided not to go with the public defender but to represent himself in court. The first court dismissed the case against him for lack of proper evidence; the second court which was a higher court sentenced him to death.
Before his crucifixion, he had was about to be granted amnesty nut the people didn’t want him, so they granted amnesty to Barnabas and sent Jesus to the gallows.

Jesus died because He was a wanted man, who had evaded arrest for so long until he was caught slipping after one of his home boys went and snitched to the cops in exchange for money and immunity from prosecution. ..
u needed a psychiatric attension.Okija is my maternal home,think I know how thepoeple from there behaves when they are high on locally made spirits"kaikai"
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by manny4life(m): 3:28pm On Apr 23, 2013
plaetton:

Perish in what?, by whom?
People suffer and perish everyday, so how have Jesus save anyone from perishing?
Millions dies of hunger, wars, genocides, diseases of every type.
Who has Jesus ever saved?

Well, ask Obadiah777, he knows how to twist/turn the Bible.

Revelations will do good justice to your questions.
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by wbankz(m): 3:28pm On Apr 23, 2013
how dere u speak blasphem of christ.....YOU DOOMED UNLESS U REPENT N ASK FOR 4GIVNESS!!! i said so.

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Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by manny4life(m): 3:29pm On Apr 23, 2013
plaetton:

In what other language do you want me to ask?.
Big laugh.
Obviously you have zero answer.
Big laugh.

Ask that you maybe explained to.

cool cool
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by Lilimax(f): 3:29pm On Apr 23, 2013
manny4life:


He has already made up his mind yet asking questions, like I often say and will continue to say,

2 Timothy 2:23 "Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels."
You've said it all. For all Christians here that believe in the finished work at calvary, refrain from answering the so called Atheist in the forum. They've all made up there mind but I refused to be distracted by their thought. Light and darkness can never match.
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by Itulah(m): 3:30pm On Apr 23, 2013
John 16:33


I have told you this so that you will have peace by being united to me. The world will make you suffer. But be brave! I have defeated the world!"

I have told you this appears first in John 14:25. The reference may be to the previous verse, but it more likely refers to the entire discourse, at least as far back as 16:1.

So that you will have peace by being united to me is more literally "so that in me you may have peace." For the meaning of peace, see comments on John 14:27. Barclay translates "that in me you may have all that makes for true happiness." The meaning of "in me" is either "in union with me" or "in fellowship with me."

The phrase by being united to me expresses means. It may be rendered in some languages as causative, for example, "so that your being united to me will cause you to be truly happy." In some languages means may be expressed by a clause introduced by "because," for example, "so that you will have true happiness because you are united to me" or "...because you are one with me" or "...joined to me."

The world will make you suffer is literally "in the world you have suffering." Structurally "in the world" is in contrast with "in me." Since the world refers to the world of evil in its opposition to God (see John 1:10), TEV restructures to indicate that the world is the source of the suffering brought on the disciples. The word used here for "suffering" (thlipsis) is the same one used in verse 21. Elsewhere in the New Testament it is used to refer to the sufferings believers must endure (see Mark 4:17; 13:19,24; Acts 11:19; Ephesians 3:13; and Revelation 7:14).

But be brave is a word of encouragement (NAB "But take courage!"; NEB "But courage!"wink. An admonition to be brave may be expressed in some languages in an idiomatic form, for example, "stand up to the danger" or "do not run away." In some languages an expression for bravery may seem almost contradictory to our own ways of thinking; for example, for a person to be brave is in some languages "to have a hard heart" or even "to have a heart like stone."

The verb defeated is used only here in the Gospel of John, but note its use in 1 John 2:13-14; 4:4; 5:4-5. Both Paul (1 Corinthians 15:57) and the author of (Revelation 5:5; 6:2; and 17:14) speak of Jesus as the one who defeats the world and so gives victory to his followers. In some languages have defeated would be rendered "have won the battle against" or "have been successful in fighting against." This figure of speech is probably acceptable, provided one does not use as an object of the verb such a rendering as "the people of the world." Though in many contexts the world may be rendered "the people of the world," in this particular instance John is emphasizing not Jesus' victory over people, but over the world force, or the system of the world. The only equivalent in some languages would be "the power of this world." However, in order to speak of "defeating the power of this world," it may be necessary to say "I have destroyed the power of this world."
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by Okijajuju1(m): 3:30pm On Apr 23, 2013
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by mollie12: 3:30pm On Apr 23, 2013
enemmo: Hmmmmmm.It is a BIG deal to me.the humiliation,the suffering,the insults,the fact that he gave up all he had,A big sacrifice.

NB Really need to stop spending so much time on this site. Why do I get this strange feeling that there is a hidden propaganda?

My sister, I wonder too. All these atheist posts - and I've not even come across a real one in Nigeria in real life. The devil must really mean business. In this last hours where the world is getting more and more wicked, some people are now looking for how to add damnation to their present suffering by rejecting God. It simply makes no sense to me.

Abeg, I appeal to my fellow Nigerians, please if you've known God - this is the time to hold Him tighter and draw closer to Him. Don't allow the devil to rob you of your inheritance and reward by falling for all these pseudo-intellectual lies and flawed logic arguments. That's how I was watching this so-called documentary by History Channel on the history of the world, big bang theory, bla bla and it really struck me how faulty these atheist foundations are. I mean, it was so bad that if I had converted the documentary to a term paper and submitted it to my lecturer (in a postgraduate science programme in a Nigerian university!) I'm sure I'd have earned a beautiful F grade for the lack of adherence to scientific methods and proper logic flow. Yet, this is the foundation many people are ready to gamble their own souls on! Hah! The thought of it makes me want to weep at times. It is truly a fool that says there is no God. It is truly a fool that cannot see that its practically impossible to lead an upright life outside of the moral compass God provides. It is truly a fool that cannot see the need of a Saviour to rescue them from the state of decay and death their lives are headed towards as sinners. It is truly a fool that will make intellectualism and self his god, fickle gods that will not save in the day of death or the day of judgment. It is truly a fool that will not ensure that his soul has an unshakeable refuge and cover in the Day of Judgment when God decides to avenge every iota of evil in the world . Because THERE will be a Day of Judgement - that much is certain. The goodness of God WILL ensure that evil does not go unpunished. This is not the time to play Russian roulette with your lives. My people, PLEASE think, think, think! And search, search, search! till you are sure that you are sure that you are sure of the foundation you've built your life on, and the one whose trust you are placing your soul in. God help us all.

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Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by Agbesky: 3:30pm On Apr 23, 2013
Jesus is Lord....yeah.... buccaneers are called Lords too....professors were called lords in 19th century....to me Lord is like another word for god(not God)...whenever Jesus wanted to pray...he looked up to the sky according to the bible before he prayed to God in heaven..i need someone to answer this question because have read all the posts on this trend and most people referring to Jesus as God.....is Jesus the same as Almighty God himself or the son of God? ....
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by chukxie(m): 3:31pm On Apr 23, 2013
An analogy: A man had a dream in which a man tried to kill his son with a gun. He woke up panting. He looked around the bedroom and there was his son lying on the floor next to him. He made a solemn promise he would never let no one hurt his son even it means giving his life to protect his son. He few days later, he and his son were walking on the street when a mugger jumped them. He asked for money which they didn't have. He pointed a gun at the young lad's head to prompt his dad to part with some money. The man said they had no money. The mugger got infuriated and threatened to kill the lad. Just as the mugger was about to pull the trigger, the lad's dad stepped in front of him and took a bullet in his head for him! He paid the ultimate price to protect his son. That was what God through Christ did for us! It might sound stupid and illogical to some people here but it doesn't mean it isn't true. God loves us all regardless of what religious or atheist fence we are sitting on.
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by tintingz(m): 3:32pm On Apr 23, 2013
Was Jesus Crucified On A Cross, Pole, Or Stake?
http://nairaland.com/1162765/jesus-crucified-cross-pole-stake
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by Nobody: 3:32pm On Apr 23, 2013
plaetton:

How do you know that he was sinless?.
Is anger not a sin?
Clearly, we saw a display of great anger from jesus when he attacked the money changers in the temple.
Not being able to control our negative emotions, is that t not a sin?
How about having a special love for one of his disclples and kissing one of his disciples? Would that not be considered a sin?

Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a DEN OF THIEVES.

People conducted business on the temple grounds. That is not justified.
So Christ drove them away. How is this a sin ? How is it that you cannot see that the sin lies in the tradesmen conducting business on holy ground ?

You think God is timid, cannot get angry, all smiles 24/7 ? How often did Christ get angry with the pharisees, sadducees, elders and chief priests of the jews. Yet, in His anger, He sinned not.

Yes, Christ is sinless. He did not sin. smiley you get?
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by damosky12(m): 3:32pm On Apr 23, 2013
Cityguy: I initially thought the open wanted answers to enlighten himself but reading through his post, I discovered he is not seeking any knowledge and I can assure anyone with noble intent that whatever gold you have for this guy will not be appreciated as he and his friends are out to provoke, ridicule and denigrate everything Christians hold sacred. To be candid, I am not surprised at all. What I feel instead is pity cos you can't handle it. People should not waste their time trying to reason with you guys, your minds are fixed. I only wonder why insulting treads are allowed on nl so far its not against Islam. This kind of double standard is regrettable. However, the truth is God knows who are His and the time comes when shaff will be separated from the seed. My advice goes to the Christians to hold on to your faith more than ever before. The spirit of the anti-christ is on the prowl. Buy your truth and sell it not. Peace.

'gives u a warm embrace' GOD BLESS YOU. Lets make a thread on this pleeaaase.
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by MrUzo: 3:32pm On Apr 23, 2013
Its just like obama as the president of american being asked to come and be disgraced, flogged, totured, and killed by some group of fulanies to save d same fulani community. Can he bare the shame? Talk more of the king of kings. Who knew when men was being created and again to watch him self being molested by d same men all because he needed to save the world.

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Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by Nobody: 3:32pm On Apr 23, 2013
plaetton:

LMAO.
Lord Obadiah777, you kill me.
If it's all about the other or next world, then WTF are all these noises, wars, genocides and intractable conflict about?

ALL THESE NOISES WARS GENOCIDES ARE BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE ERA OF THE GENTILES. THIS MEANS MAN IS ALLOWED TO RULE HIMSELF IN WICKEDNESS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WANT TO OBEY THE LAWS. SO ALL THESE EVILS IS AS A RESULT OF MAN BEING IN CONTROL. THIS ERA STARTED WITH THE BABYLONIAN EMPIRE AND NEXT WAS THE MEDIOPERSIAN AND NEXT GREEK AND NEXT ROMAN AND ROMAN HAS 3 LEGS, THE FIRST LEG BEING IT HAVING 7 HEADS BECAUSE IT IS SITTING ON THE 7 HILLS OF ROME AND THE NEXT STAGE IS THE 10 HORNS WHICH MEANS IT HAS MORPHED INTO THE EUROZONE AND THE 10 HORNS AND THE 10 POWER HOUSES OF EUROPE ( UK FRANCE ITALY BELGIUM GERMANY PORTUGAL SPAIN GREECE ETC ETC ). AND THEN THE LAST PHASE OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE IS WHEN 3 OF THE HORNS ( FRANCE UK AND SPAIN ) COMBINE TO DISCOVER A LAND AND FORM ONE ( AMERICA ) . AND THIS IS WHERE WE AT NOW. THE LAST PHASE OF THE LAST MAN RULED EMPIRE ON EARTH. ALL THIS YOU CAN GET IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL 7 AND REVELATION 12 AND 13. AND THEN AFTER THIS IS THE ARMAGEDDON WW3 WHICH WOULD DESTROY AMERICA ( BABYLON ) AS WELL AS MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ( THE UNDESIRABLES ) AND THEN WILL THE LORDS KINGDOM COME AND EVERYONE WILL CONVERT THEIR SWORDS INTO PLOWHSHARES ( MEANING FINALLY WORLD PEACE ). UNTIL THEN ? ITS HEAVY TURMOIL BRUV. IT IS ABOUT TO GET WORSE. CANT YOU FEEL IT ? WE ARE ON THE DOORSTEPS OF WW3
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by Nobody: 3:33pm On Apr 23, 2013
bolaino: well since u guys claim to know everything, I would like to know why ur God created evil in the first place?

my christain brothers pls leave bolaino alone.. notin u say will make him blive in Jesus Christ.. @bolaino u better go on ur knee ask 4 forgiveness..cos Jesus loves u bolaino more than u love urself
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by manny4life(m): 3:33pm On Apr 23, 2013
@Okija,

Jesus was widely known to speak in Parable, even his own disciples barely understood him.. Good luck brother.
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by Lilimax(f): 3:33pm On Apr 23, 2013
mollie12:

My sister, I wonder too. All these atheist posts - and I've not even come across a real one in Nigeria in real life. The devil must really mean business. In this last hours where the world is getting more and more wicked, some people are now looking for how to add damnation to their present suffering by rejecting God. It simply makes no sense to me.

Abeg, I appeal to my fellow Nigerians, please if you've known God - this is the time to hold Him tighter and draw closer to Him. Don't allow the devil to rob you of your inheritance and reward by falling for all these pseudo-intellectual lies and flawed logic arguments. That's how I was watching this so-called documentary by History Channel on the history of the world, big bang theory, bla bla and it really struck me how faulty these atheist foundations are. I mean, it was so bad that if I had converted the documentary to a term paper and submitted it to my lecturer (in a postgraduate science programme in a Nigerian university!) I'm sure I'd have earned a beautiful F grade for the lack of adherence to scientific methods and proper logic flow. Yet, this is the foundation many people are ready to gamble their own souls on! Hah! The thought of it makes me want to weep at times. It is truly a fool that says there is no God. It is truly a fool that cannot see that its practically impossible to lead an upright life outside of the moral compass God provides. It is truly a fool that cannot see the need of a Saviour to rescue them from the state of decay and death their lives are headed towards as sinners. It is truly a fool that will make intellectualism and self his god, fickle gods that will not save in the day of death or the day of judgment. It is truly a fool that will not ensure that his soul has an unshakeable refuge and cover in the Day of Judgment when God decides to avenge every iota of evil in the world . Because THERE will be a Day of Judgement - that much is certain. The goodness of God WILL ensure that evil does not go unpunished. This is not the time to play Russian roulette with your lives. My people, PLEASE think, think, think! And search, search, search! till you are sure that you are sure that you are sure of the foundation you've built your life on, and the one whose trust you are placing your soul in. God help us all.
For all Christians here that believe in the finished work at calvary, refrain from answering the so called Atheist in the forum. They've all made up there mind but I refused to be distracted by their thought. Light and darkness can never match[color=#000099][/color].
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by plaetton: 3:33pm On Apr 23, 2013
gmoney009: @op is definitely not a christian. Now to explain the purpose of his death. In time past d people of God usually sacrifice rams to cleanse themselves of their sin. however it became a recurring ritual and it became needful for God 2 offer a once and for all offering. which presented itself as jesus who knew no sin. he was also crucified during the time d jews went to offer sacrifice for their sins. he became a once and 4 all sacrifice.

So god is a big witch doctor who slowly graduates from animal blood sacrifice to human blood sacrifice?

Don't you people see how really silly this whole blood sacrifice thing sounds?
You readily agree that your god accepts human blood sacrifice for the atonement of phantom sins, but, I am sure you would condemn pagans who perform animal sacrifice for the atonement of sins.

Double standard or schizophrenia?
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by Lilimax(f): 3:34pm On Apr 23, 2013
wbankz: how dere u speak blasphem of christ.....YOU DOOMED UNLESS U REPENT N ASK FOR 4GIVNESS!!! i said so.
You've said it all. For all Christians here that believe in the finished work at calvary, refrain from answering the so called Atheist in the forum. They've all made up there mind but I refused to be distracted by their thought. Light and darkness can never match.
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by mademoiselle(f): 3:34pm On Apr 23, 2013
I am no theologian but it's @ times like this that I wish I were.

Jesus: God the son was like us in all but sin, innocent in every regard, he wasn't a fornicator, he wasn't a liar, he did not steal, he did not get drunk, he wasn't even drop dead gorgeous but he chose 2 die for us sinless but to save us from our sins.

B4 Jesus' death, no man had been to Heaven, not Moses, Abraham, David or Elijah had 'seen' Heaven. But he came to fulfil the prophecy of Isaiah n d prophets before him, He came to be the accomplishment of the law.

I have lied, I have stolen, I have impure thoughts, I have been malicious and so if I were a slave killed in America, it still would not measure to what God the Son in all His glory left in Heaven for my sake. He was God yes but not on earth. He was a man like u and I, and so he had every right to be afraid of the task of dying for us. Would you willingly die for people who do not love u? Would you willingly die for people who spat at you?
He came to earth, humble, unassuming, became a carpenter... He left His glory in Heaven...
I can't explain it further because it is beyond my own 'small' thinking.

But let us be careful not to blaspheme And do not seek 2 know for the sake of knowledge cos that in itself is a sin.
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by manny4life(m): 3:34pm On Apr 23, 2013
The devil and his agents come in sheep's clothing seeking for whom to mislead and destroy...

God forbid, IT IS NEVER MY PORTION.... Demonic agents on this thread, get thee behind me. cool
Re: Was The Sacrifice Of Jesus On The Cross That Big A Deal? by plaetton: 3:35pm On Apr 23, 2013
manny4life:

Well, ask Obadiah777, he knows how to twist/turn the Bible.

Revelations will do good justice to your questions.

That is what I call dodging the question.
he he he.

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