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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Nobody: 9:42am On Oct 01, 2013
While they should be remorseful for their shameful misadventure of Jan '66...they are here:

Justifying what they did.
Lying about their shameful culpability
...and blaming all other Nigerians except their own political and military leaders of that era.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 9:53am On Oct 01, 2013
ilugunboy: Why they should be remorseful for their shameful misadventure of Jan '66...they are here:

Justifying what they did.
Lying about their shameful culpability
...and blaming all other Nigerians except their own political and military leaders of that era.



Why are the yorubas not showing remorse for their power grabing, instead they are becoming more power hungry? Right from trying to grab power from balewa,they proceeded to trying to grab power from IBB, then when they got power, they tried to stay longer than was constitutionally allowed by trying to serve a third term, now they are trying to grab GEJ power as junior partners to their northern husbands. Why why why? Why are the yorubas this power hungry,when are they going to start showing remorse?

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 9:56am On Oct 01, 2013
pazienza:




Yorubas are power thirsty people,the history of naija is littered with facts to support this notion.

1, The yorubas through their leader awo sought to deceive both zik and saraduna, by weighing out the two regions,and deciding which side that will gurantee them easier acess to power,a gamble that backfired thanks to zik's foresight,and left awo and yorubas with no power.

2. The yorubas through awo were the first group in the annals of naija history to try to grap the central power,when awo planned to usurp balewa,was caught,tried by a court of justice, found guilty of treason and rightfully jailed like a thief he was.

3.Yoruba thirst for power saw awo accept to play second fiddle to gowon,with promise of presidency in the future.

4. Yoruba thirst for power made them to attempt to usurp the central govt for a record second time, their plan failed again,their kingpin awo was caught and forced to go to exile or go to prison by IBB,awo took his life.

5. Yoruba through obasanjo agreed on a single tenure with the north and atiku,but their thirst for power made them to renege on that agreement.

6. The yorubas through obasanjo equally sought to change the constitution of this country just to hold unto power,as we saw obj try to force his third term agenda down the throat of nigerians, a hallmark of yoruba power grab.

7. Currently,we have the yorubas trying so hard to return to power,even if only as a vp to the north,we see them challenging the federal govt again,and its only a matter of time before this power grabing group commits treason again for a record third time.




Power grab, he obviously wanted to stay close enough to the central government,to enable him grab the central power, after observing things for sometime, he and the yoruba race felt they had gathered enuough information,and in their follydecided to launch another power grab mission, but they failed for the second time,and again,their kingpin was captured , and was forced to go on exile,or prison, realising that he his yoruba race had failed at same huddle for a second time,shame and ignominy overwhelmed him,and he took his own life. There you have, yoruba power grab disected and explained.


So, here you have it. Once one has a pre conceived notion,no matter how false it might be, interpreting and bending historical events using conjectures and dishonesty to suit and support this pre conceived notion is not a difficult task,as i had presented this forum with my case of yoruba power grab.

I would like any yoruba in this forum to prove to me that yorubas have not be at power grabing game, right from the days of their kingpin awo,to this day under yet another kingpin tinubu,who once again has under APC cast his power grabing eyes on GEJ central power, even if it means sharing this power as a junior partner with the north. *grins*


Here is a recap of yoruba power grab history for those who missed it,right from indepedence under awo, through obj,and now under tinubu.
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by grafikii: 9:59am On Oct 01, 2013
Katsumoto:

There were massacres in 1945 and 1953, the one in 1966 wasn't the first. The various ethnic groups were very different; the British were aware of that but hadn't made any serious plans towards integration for whatever reasons. The issues which existed in 1940 still exist today; there isn't only a lack of understanding of other cultures but an intolerance of other cultures.

Let me give you an example - When American firms started doing business with Japanese firms in the 1970s and 1980s, there were many problems between American and Japanese employees. American managers treated Japanese subordinates as they would treat an American. For instance, public humiliation is frowned upon in Japan but American Managers were fond of humiliating japanese workers. Similarly, American managers want to make quick decisions. Japanese managers typically agree with everything in a meeting because open disagreements with outsiders is alien to the Japanese. So the Americans assumed everything was going well only for the Japs to delay making a decision or pull out altogether. These frictions led to what is known as Cultural Dimensions by Geert Hofstede. As a result of his work, when managers are going on foreign assignments today, they have to learn the culture of the host country.

When Nigerians move all around the country, they take their cultural norms with them, which sometimes puts them in open or unspoken conflict. When these issues aren't addressed quickly, they gather a life of their own which results in riots and pogroms. My position is that if anyone is going to live outside their region of origin, they need to understand the cultures of the host region. There are individuals who are very good at these but unfortunately, they get caught up in these disturbances when an ignorant few prefer to be indifferent or intolerant.

See below for a conversation between Zik and Bello

ZIK: “LET US FORGET OUR DIFFERENCES AND MOVE ON”.

THE SARDUANA: “AZIKIWE, WE CAN NOT FORGET OUR DIFFERENCES. LET US UNDERSTAND OUR DIFFERENCES TO BE ABLE TO MOVE ON”.

Now back to your question. After the January coup, there were allegations of taunting of Hausas by Igbos. Offensive photographs showing Major Nzeogwu standing on the late Sardauna of Sokoto were said to be distributed in the open including market places. Some Igbos were even alleged to have worn stickers to that effect and were eager, in conversations with northerners, to point to Nzeogwu saying ‘Shi ne maganin ku”, meaning “he is the one who can knock sense into you”. Grammophone records with machine gun sounds were released, to remind Northerners, it is said, of the bullets that felled their leaders in January. The questions is - If this wasn’t true, why did Ironsi issue orders that anyone displaying provocative pictures or singing offensive songs would be arrested for incitement and would face 3 months imprisonment or 50 pounds fine or both (Decree 40)?

Maybe a few were guilty of these actions but ultimately, it led to deep seated hatred of Ndigbo by the Northerners which unfortunately resulted in the pogroms.
And this nonsense still happening today, ibos never learn

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by nku5: 10:00am On Oct 01, 2013
Katsumoto:

Thank you for your honesty and genuine attempts at debating the issue.

The killers said Ademulegun was reaching for his drawer. Both him and his wife were killed, so no witnesses to know what really happened. What we know is that a man was gunned down with his PREGNANT wife on his bed.

Ahmadu Bello's guard was trying to defend his boss so no issues with his death. But what about Bello's wife who was trying to shield her husband? Why not drag her away before shooting Bello?

Unegbe was killed for something other than the coup. Only Anuforo entered his house. Anuforo, the killer, was the only witness.

A writer can present facts which I can accept but I don't have to accept all his conclusions.

The accusations made by Bello and Akintola weren't without merit. One only has to look at the actions taken by Zik and those close to him to understand better. One of the accusations made by Akintola was that the Igbos wanted everything for themselves.

I am shocked to hear your opinion about Unegbe's death being unrelated to the coup when he was shot by the coup plotters during the execution of same. What then was the reason for his death?

Ademulegun reached for a gun and the gunmen shot him. Its the equivalent of a 50/50 challenge in football. For ahmadu bellos wife its neither here nor their. If she was trying to help him get away like a devoted wife might do she would risk getting shot and she went for it. Some accounts have it that he hid behind her and they shot through her. Akintola opened up on the plotters like a real man and went down with pride in my opinion.

As for the hate speeches by ahmadu bello and his ally akintola, are u insinuating that these two men were saints or that they were innocent of what they accused others of? Why did the midwest region choose to go on their own if all was well in the western region and why was J.S. Tarka so gung-ho about middle belt independence from the monolithic north. My personal opinion after reading ahmadu bello's infamous interview where he stated that the north would dominate the south was that the man deserved to be kicked out of any place of authority.

I still also ask why did useni and the northern elite not massacre plateau ppl when murtala was killed by plateau officers? The filthy lies and rhetoric nurtured and recited over time about igbos made it possible for the northerners to commit the genocide. Plain and simple.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Nobody: 10:10am On Oct 01, 2013
pazienza:



[s]Why are the yorubas not showing remorse for their power grabing, instead they are becoming more power hungry? Right from trying to grab power from balewa,they proceeded to trying to grab power from IBB, then when they got power, they tried to stay longer than was constitutionally allowed by trying to serve a third term, now they are trying to grab GEJ power as junior partners to their northern husbands. Why why why? Why are the yorubas this power hungry,when are they going to start showing remorse[/s]?

Same old rhetorical crap of justifying the gruesome...horrific and violent killings of other ethnic leaders while conveniently letting theirs slipped through.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by ijawcitizen(m): 10:23am On Oct 01, 2013
Orlando Owoh: They are now paying for their selfishness and greed: none of them will rule this country. They know this hence their always queuing and shifting the goal post of when they will produce the president: from 2015 to 2019. Waiting without an end. Una never see anything. They have resorted to be backing Ijaw, an ethnic group they suppressed in the defunct Eastern Region, which they are counting on to have over power to them in 2019, as if the Presidency is a rellay race baton.
lol.....in addition to that trend, they are now practically begging for REGIONAL INTEGRATION. For God's sake isn't every part of the country already integrated in every sense possible? Maybe except for something else which Igbos have not come up to tell us yet.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 10:25am On Oct 01, 2013
ilugunboy:

Same old rhetorical crap of justifying the gruesome...horrific and violent killings of other ethnic leaders while conveniently letting theirs slipped through.

Same old rhetoric of of painting others black and yourselves as angels, awo was at a power grabing game,but akintola was busy painting igbos as devils, awo got caught twice and still died trying to grab power,but you don't see that, maybe yorubas seeing igbos as power grabing group is becos, that's what yoruba themselves are,people see themselves in other people.

Just tell tinubu to look at what happened to awo and his power grabing game,his end will be the same if he keeps eyeing GEJ power.
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Nobody: 10:26am On Oct 01, 2013
ijaw citizen: lol.....in addition to that trend, they are now practically begging for REGIONAL INTEGRATION. For God's sake isn't every part of the country already integrated in every sense possible? Maybe except for something else which Igbos have not come up to tell us yet.

Simple...they covet your land..read that as your oil.
They also want your seas.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 10:27am On Oct 01, 2013
ijaw citizen: lol.....in addition to that trend, they are now practically begging for REGIONAL INTEGRATION. For God's sake isn't every part of the country already integrated in every sense possible? Maybe except for something else which Igbos have not come up to tell us yet.

Yoruba citizen,kee ije? How many plates of amala have you eaten this morning?

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 10:28am On Oct 01, 2013
ilugunboy:

Simple...they covet your land..read that as your oil.
They also want your seas.

Nobody body in the east covets yorubaland, we covet just lagos, cos we know it's not part of yorubaland.
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Nobody: 10:30am On Oct 01, 2013
pazienza:

Same old rhetoric of of painting others black and yourselves as angels, awo was at a power grabing,but akintola was busy painting igbos as devils, awo got caught twice and still died trying to grab power,but you don't see that, maybe yorubas seeing igbos as power grabing group is becos, that's what yoruba themselves are,people see themselves in other people.

Just tell tinubu to look at what happened to awo and his power grabing game,his end will be the same if he keeps eyeing GEJ power.


Stop comparing two different issues.

No correlation between what you are forcefully trying to imply.

If power is seek constitutionally ..it's welcome...but when your political leaders and military leaders jointly conspired to kill political leaders and military officers from other ethnic groups in a moment of senseless rush of blood to the head...then that is completely ungodly and illegal.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Nobody: 10:34am On Oct 01, 2013
pazienza:

Nobody body in the east covets yorubaland, we covet just lagos, cos we know it's not part of yorubaland .

You are eternally deluded.

Your grandfathers tried it then...but you all are still yet to recover from the miscalculation.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Italiano1: 10:35am On Oct 01, 2013
pazienza:

Nobody body in the east covets yorubaland, we covet just lagos, cos we know it's not part of yorubaland.

You see how daft you are? The same stupidity that your fore-fathers exhibited years ago is still well and truly alive among the Black Jews. You covet a Yorubaland that is surrounded by the rest of the SW?

He who the gods want to destroy, they first make mad!

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Emperor007: 10:35am On Oct 01, 2013
ijaw citizen: lol.....in addition to that trend, they are now practically begging for REGIONAL INTEGRATION. For God's sake isn't every part of the country already integrated in every sense possible? Maybe except for something else which Igbos have not come up to tell us yet.




^^^


Why not answer your real name " Yoruba citizen", and stop living a fake life?

You can only boast of today, tomorrow is pregnant.




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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 10:54am On Oct 01, 2013
ilugunboy:

Stop comparing two different issues.

No correlation between what you are forcefully trying to imply.

If power is seek constitutionally ..it's welcome...but when your political leaders and military leaders jointly conspired to kill political leaders and military officers from other ethnic groups in a moment of senseless rush of blood to the head...then that is completely ungodly and illegal.

If yoruba power grab was legal,your kingpin wouldn't have been found guilty of treason twice, if your power grab was legal,there wouldn't have been a drive to change the constitution by obj,to accommodate yoruba's power grab. Your power grab was the first in this country,it was illegal, ungodly and shameful, yet you show no remorse, rather you are at another power grabing mission with the north,using and backing all illegal means possible,including trying to turn a civil unrest into a revolution and forcing the president to resign, you are even currently in bed with the north, whose political engine,boko haram has been shedding people's blood, and whose son( buhari) promised naija hell when he lost the last election,their hands are soaked with the blood of the innocent,but your power grab spirit doesn't care. Just how desperate are the yoruba race for power?

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 10:57am On Oct 01, 2013
Italiano1:

You see how daft you are? The same stupidity that your fore-fathers exhibited years ago is still well and truly alive among the Black Jews. You covet a Yorubaland that is surrounded by the rest of the SW?

He who the gods want to destroy, they first make mad!


Chill, lagos is there for taking, the british,USSR, and egypt won't come to your aid this time around,it will be just you against your nightmare( igbos). *grins*

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 11:02am On Oct 01, 2013
naijaking1:

Another tribalistic parody! Igbos are not the only ones that love money, need money, and use money to survive. Have you not seen many Yorubas working day and night just to make money? Why do you stigmatize Igbos with this loving money to sell their soul? Sir, that is the definition of BIGOTRY.
So disappointed that an otherwise erudite persona like you would descend so low to make an argument based on rhetorics, not facts; just because tribe is involved.


How does calling Insincere Nigerian a money grabbing propaganda artist translate to calling all Igbos lovers of money? Everyone on these boards know that Sincere Nigerian is a political jobber. Or can you point to where I called Igbo people lovers of money? Please read my comment again. I expect you to do the honourable thing and apologize.

This strategy of calling a dog a bad name in other to hang it will not work on me. I am disappointed that you have joined that bandwagon; I thought you to be a reasonable person.

I will address the rest of your post in a couple of hours.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 11:03am On Oct 01, 2013
ilugunboy:

You are eternally deluded.

Your grandfathers tried it then...but you all are still yet to recover from the miscalculation.

Nah, the british,USSR, and Egypt stood on our way, we were no match for them. Who knows, with the syria showdown coming up, those people might just be too busy,and we can finally have you for meat. *grins*

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 11:08am On Oct 01, 2013
Emperor_007:




^^^


Why not answer your real name " Yoruba citizen", and stop living a fake life?

You can only boast of today, tomorrow is pregnant.




.

Haha, he started off as a kanuri(alj harem), then he became half kanuri and half igbo(alj uche) then he metamorphosed into an itsekiri(jason) and later transformed into an annang( ocelot), he would later become an awori man( step1) and then he grew to become an ijaw citizen. A true yorubaman,i must tell you. *grins*

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by khamas19: 11:09am On Oct 01, 2013
Katsumoto:

Nice logic but why did Nwafor Orizu not swear in Dipcharima who was the individual selected by NPC, the party that lost the prime minister? Why did Orizu prefer to hand over to Ironsi? We deduce that because Ironsi was Igbo and to ensure that the objective of the failed coup was accomplished. Why should the death of two ministers (Balewa and Okotie Eboh) result in the death of democracy? Are Prime ministers not replaced regularly? Did Jonathan not sack about 9 ministers the other day? Did Nigeria collapse?

Nigeria became a country built on greed on injustice because

1. Igbo officers killed everyone else but their own

2. Orizu refused to swear in the individual nominated by the ruling party

3. Ironsi promulgated decree 34 which divided Nigeria into 35 provinces and made all civil servants part of a unified civil service despite being advised not to do so by Katsina, Gowon, Bassey, and Kam Salem. The day after the promulgation of decree 34, Lt. Col.Ojukwu publicly announced in Enugu that on the basis of seniority, Igbo civil servants would be transferred to other regions and Lagos.

4. Ironsi abolished the compulsory Hausa test for civil service positions in the North, meaning that non-Hausa speaking people could take positions in the North.

5. Ironsi’s advisory team comprised Francis Nwokedi, Pius Okigbo, and Lt. Colonel Patrick Anwunah (all Igbos)

6. Ironsi made Nwokedi the sole commissioner forthe establishment of an administrative machinery for a unified Nigeria

Analyse the issue dispassionately and not through the normal 'every other group is bad and evil while Igbo is innocent'. The Igbo attempted a power grab and failed. Isn't it an irony that the Igbo aligned with the North to form the first government but the Igbos then think all the problems in the first republic were caused by others but not Igbos. If the first government was corrupt and didn't rely on merit, are the Igbos not guilty of the crimes as well?


..ah!!! thank you sir!!..thank you!!

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Italiano1: 11:12am On Oct 01, 2013
pazienza:

Chill, lagos is there for taking, the british,USSR, and egypt won't come to your aid this time around,it will be just you against your nightmare( igbos). *grins*

You can keep on dreaming and hoping grin

You are so deluded that you are starting to believe your own psychotic thoughts, what happened to your ecologically devastated lands between 1967-1970 will be like a child's play compared to the annihilation that you would suffer if and when you summon the courage to attack Lagos.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 11:20am On Oct 01, 2013
Italiano1:

You can keep on dreaming and hoping grin

You are so deluded that you are starting to believe your own psychotic thoughts, what happened to your ecologically devastated lands between 1967-1970 will be like a child's play compared to the annihilation that you would suffer if and when you summon the courage to attack Lagos.


If enugu even after british powered land strikes, egyptian powered air raids, could rise from those ruins and still be a better living place than Ibadan, than i think we have our game on.

By the way, the so called annihillation were powered by britain,Egypt and USSR, they won't be in the equation next time around.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 11:33am On Oct 01, 2013
It would appear we have to drum this into the ears of yorubas.

Zik forming alliance with the north was as a result of awo treachery,when awo came to zik to form alliance against the north,and sent akintola at the same time to north to form alliance against the east, awo was a typical yorubaman,i suspect he played this same game against ojukwu, anyway, zik was a wise man, he caught awo on his act, and told the north about awo's dishonesty,and went ahead to form an alliance with the north. It was yoruba power grabing antics that killed the would be southern unity, and pushed zik towards north,leaving awo and his yoruba people frustrated.

Rather than blame themselves and their treacherous behaviour for their lack of political power,the yorubas would go on and blame Igbos and zik for not allowing themselves to be used by the yorubas to grab power,like they later did with ojukwu.

The yorubas would later try to take central power by force,since their treachery couldn't give it to them legally, their kingpin was caught, tried by a court of law and rightfully jailed.

Rather than blame their power grabing mission for their travails and the imprisonment of their kingpin, the yorubas would once again cast all their blame on igbos, accusing igbos of setting awo up. Oh dear!

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by papparatzzi2013: 11:58am On Oct 01, 2013
Sincere 9gerian: I have taken the pains to go through most of the comments on this thread. Unfortunately, what I see on this thread is the very PROBLEM that has kept Nigeria down since Independence. This PROBLEM appears to be intractable.

The first question that comes to mind after going through this thread is ,notwithstanding the INTENTIONS of the key figures that executed the first coup, why cant we separate the actions of INDIVIDUALS from their TRIBE? Why cant INDIVIDUALS take the blame for their actions or inactions? Why must the actions of a few high ranking solders be blamed on millions of people (a whole ethnic group)? If Nzeogwu was a nationalist, does that make all Igbos nationalists? If Ifeajuna and Okafor were tribalists and had a different personal or evil agenda, how does that concern a whole ethnic group? How does the actions of Ademoyega in that coup concern the yoruba ethnic group?

Some elements on this thread (who are the same bandits that call themselves "progressives" from the southwest) seems DETERMINED to force it down our throats that the first military coup was "Igbo coup". Can these elements tell us where Igbos gathered and decided to stage an "Igbo coup" or "grab power"?

This same pattern of argument was seen during the "There Was Country" controversy. The book criticised Late Chief Awolowo and suddenly that criticism directed at an INDIVIDUAL was turned to an attack on an ethnic group.

I ask again, why cant we in Nigeria criticise INDIVIDUALS for their actions or inactions? Why cant we criticise Chief Awo for his actions or inactions without it being turned to an attack on the yorubas? Why cant we criticise Ifeajuna and Okafor for their actions in the 1966 coup instead of heaping their individual mis-steps/ misdeed/error of judgement/power grab on a whole ethnic group? Why cant we criticise the current president of Nigeria without criticising his ethnic group?

I'm not an advocate of military rule, whether today or yesterday. But we must put the facts on the table. The analysis of any coup MUST take into account the positions of those in authority at that time. Coups are planned to be SUCCESSFUL and any consideration of ETHNIC BALANCING is secondary. If the coup of Jan 1966 had to be successful, those who constituted stumbling blocks, irrespective of their tribe, would have to be arrested or killed. People were marked to be killed or arrested based on their POSITIONS and not based on ethnic group. During a coup, key targets are killed OR arrested based on the circumstance (ie whether they resist arrest or not,etc) and NOT based on ethnic group. I doubt if any coup that puts ethnic balancing as its top priority will succeed.

And from that first coup till date, we've also seen a number of successful and unsuccessful coups. So why must the first coup unsuccessful coup be blamed on an ethnic group unlike the subsequent ones?

Assuming we even consider the first coup and counter-coup as power play by the elites (which was what it was anyway), how do we explain the pogrom? How do we explain the killing of over 50,000 easterners in a pogrom? Where those 50,000 people contacted by Ifeajuna and Okafor before the coup?

And when supposedly enlightened people ractionalise the killing of 50,000 people in a pogrom, 2 million people in a needless civil war and recently, the deportation of Nigerians in their own fatherland, then one begins to understand why OBJ ruled Nigeria for 8 solid years without ANY legacy in the southeast.

May God bless Nigeria!

Who were the people making mockery of the assassinated people? Who made the t-shirts making mockery of the dead, who were the people wearing them? Who were the people making the machine gun sounds even in market places? Who were the people drawing cartoons of the dead people?

It was those ethnic soldiers again abi?

If the answers to the questions asked above are not those your power drunk blood thirst soldiers, then it cannot be treated on individual basis, it was and is and is still a full ethnic igbo coup.

All the argument your e-warriors are getting into is just either for intellectual exercise or simply regurgitating the fallacy and propaganda they have been telling themselves in their village square.

Do you think others are daft and cannot reason.


There is no big deal in seeing the coup as igbo coup. At least the hausas are never apologetic that the 2nd coup.was purely an Hausa coup. Trying to defend the indefensible is an insult on others and the same dumb and stupid mistakes your fathers made in the 60s.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Nobody: 12:02pm On Oct 01, 2013
pazienza:

Nah, the british,USSR, and Egypt stood on our way, we were no match for them. Who knows, with the syria showdown coming up, those people might just be too busy,and we can finally have you for meat. *grins*

You are still exhibiting same old childish enthusiasm that Ojukwu exhibited against superior and wise counsel.

Lagos is for grab....you will surely grab more than you will ever bargain for this time around.
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 12:04pm On Oct 01, 2013
papparatzzi2013:

Who were the people making mockery of the assassinated people? Who made the t-shirts making mockery of the dead, who were the people wearing them? Who were the people making the machine gun sounds even in market places? Who were the people drawing cartoons of the dead people?

It was those ethnic soldiers again abi?

If the answers to the questions asked above are not those your power drunk blood thirst soldiers, then it cannot be treated on individual basis, it was and is and is still a full ethnic igbo coup.

All the argument your e-warriors are getting into is just either for intellectual exercise or simply regurgitating the fallacy and propaganda they have been telling themselves in their village square.

Do you think others are daft and cannot reason.


There is no big deal in seeing the coup as igbo coup. At least the hausas are never apologetic that the 2nd coup.was purely an Hausa coup. Trying to defend the indefensible is an insult on others and the same dumb and stupid mistakes your fathers made in the 60s.

here we go again! Where are these people crawling out from sef? At this rate i would finish my mb on this thread. *grins*

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by papparatzzi2013: 12:06pm On Oct 01, 2013
pazienza:

If enugu even after british powered land strikes, egyptian powered air raids, could rise from those ruins and still be a better living place than Ibadan, than i think we have our game on.

By the way, the so called annihillation were powered by britain,Egypt and USSR, they won't be in the equation next time around.

So Ojukwu and his lieutenants were so daft that they did not know.they needed international countries on their side. Mind you, you were supported by Israel, the Vatican, SA, Rhodesia, France, Portugal, Tanzania and Equatorial Guinea and definitely Cote 'd Ivoire. So spare us the British and Russian supporting Nigeria.

It is called war and countries are opined to support who ever they like based on their conviction, political alliance and benefits to be derived.
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 12:10pm On Oct 01, 2013
pazienza:

You know that katz is yet to admit that he is yoruba, right? He is more yoruba than awo,yet he would lie about it,doesn't that tell you something about his personality?

Well,i am afraid you are expecting katz to give what he doesn't have, the sooner you realise this,the better for you.

What an honour; to be described as being more Yoruba than Awo.


Second you must be high on something, was he responding to me in the post you quoted?
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 12:11pm On Oct 01, 2013
ilugunboy:

You are still exhibiting same old childish enthusiasm that Ojukwu exhibited against superior and wise counsel.

Lagos is for grab....you will surely grab more than you will ever bargain for this time around.

Which wise counsel? the same wise counsel that was being given to zik, trying to deceive him with southern solidarity ,while akintola was sent to go and negotiate a power deal with the north, i bet he played same game with ojukwu,a leopard can't change it's spots. Treacherous counsel would have been a better tag.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 12:14pm On Oct 01, 2013
papparatzzi2013:

So Ojukwu and his lieutenants were so daft that they did not know.they needed international countries on their side. Mind you, you were supported by Israel, the Vatican, SA, Rhodesia, France, Portugal, Tanzania and Equatorial Guinea and definitely Cote 'd Ivoire. So spare us the British and Russian supporting Nigeria.

It is called war and countries are opined to support who ever they like based on their conviction, political alliance and benefits to be derived.


Where exactly did you crawl out from?

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Nobody: 12:21pm On Oct 01, 2013
pazienza:

Which wise counsel?the same wise counsel that was being given to zik trying to deceive him with southern solidarity ,while akintola was sent to go and negotiate a power deal with the north, i bet he played same game with ojukwu,a leopard can't change it's spots. Treacherous counsel would have been a better tag.

You've lost...

All you are doing is the reaction of a slaughtered hen after the head has been severed tongue grin

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