Abraham2013:

“In the medical profession, Nurse, Pharmacists, Physiotherapists are not trained to make diagnosis and prescribe
treatment”
Haba dis people can lie o! Who told u dat physiotherapist are not trained to diagnose and prescribe treatment. Dis is how dis people go about misinforming nigerians.

Now you single out physiotherapists.
Are nurses, pharmacists, medical laboratory scientists "trained to diagnose and prescribe treatment"?
Who is misinforming Nigerians?

armadeo:


Please try and be at least enlightened on issues before commenting.

. Shut d mess up, wat is not enlightening about his comment? Are u blind or slow dat u can't grasp d points he made? (MODs wich one is 'mess up' again? Can't u allow me express myself? Pls wat I said is 'shut d f_uc*k u*p! )

Sunshinelady: . Shut d mess up, wat is not enlightening about his comment? Are u blind or slow dat u can't grasp d points he made? (MODs wich one is 'mess up' again? Can't u allow me express myself? Pls wat I said is 'shut d f_uc*k u*p! )

Why so much venom. The fact that you don't see anything wrong with the post is rather frightening. Do you require an explanation or would you rather vent your spleen after all love makes the world go round.

hismail1: So, if i am a professor in the field of pharmacy,i.can not become a consultant? Why should doctors be dictating for other health professionals, it's unfair.

U need a clinical residency to be a consultant,being a professor is academic.dont u get?a doc dat does M.Sc,Ph.D,in microbiology,lectures,write papers nd becomes a professor is a professor nd nutty else,u cn only be appointed as a consultant in a teaching hospital wen u complete a residency in clinical microbiology nd become a fellow.

ILIDEFI:

With all sincerity, I believe that whoever does residency in a particular specialty should be appointed a consultant. Physiotherapists stand a very high chance of becoming consultants who would be useful in health care practice. Very very useful.

But, what will be the role of consultant nurses, lab scientists and pharmacists? From my research, consultant nurses and pharmacists in US and other advanced countries don't work in hospitals. They work in places like psychiatric and geriatric homes. Their working in hospitals will cause a lot of confusion, as it happened in a teaching hospital where a consultant pharmacist went inside a ward and started cancelling prescriptions made by a consultant cardiologist.

If other health workers will develop their post graduate colleges and start residency, then they can be appointed consultants when they become specialists, but not based on years of service. In that case, they will be willing to face the risk of losing their jobs and applying afresh as consultants, in which they may or may not be employed. Also, the onus lies on each hospital to determine how many consultants it will need. Believe me, most hospitals in Nigeria won't need consultant nurses and pharmacists, cos they have very little extra to impart in the health care as consultants, compared to how much their salaries will be.

JOHESU is an amorphous body. They should come and fight as individual professional groups. What applies to physiotherapists may not apply to nurses. Consultant physiotherapist makes sense, but not consultant nurse. There is also no need for consultant radiographers and optometrists when consultant radiologists and ophthalmologists are available. What value will the consultant radiographers and optometrists impart that the radiologist and ophthalmologist can't? It will bring anarchy in health care practice. What will consultant lab scientists do in the labs? Even abroad, they mostly don't work in hospitals, but just consult in different facilities just like consultants in other disciplines generally.

I just pray the government will handle this issue maturely and bring a lasting solution to this chaos. God bless us all.

Outstanding logic.

alakid:

Wow! I just hv to respond to this.
1. Augmentin is that same amoxicillin you were referring to, just enhanced with clavulanic acid. It is a category A drug, safe in pregnancy, and more effective than amoxicillin alone. What we can take home from this is that you have cheated your sister.
2. Proguanil (Paludrine) is no longer recommended for treatment of malaria, it is rather used for preventing malaria in high risk patients, drug of choice is quinine, however, Artesunate has not been found to be harmful to pregnant animals, as such can be used in malaria in pregnancy. Our take home lesson from this also is that you didn't allow your sister treat malaria effectively, placing her at risk of many complications of malaria including preterm labor, the very thing you were trying to avoid.
In conclusion, I would advise you to always seek wise counsel from people of knowledge (in this case doctors) whenever you are confused. Thanks

You shouldn't have talked let him show his face here again. At least in know he isn't a pharmacist. Johesuites already encroaching on each others territory.

Waspy: In all if this, the government and the Psyche of the Nigerian pple is to blame. The government is so lost also on the issue of HND vs Bachelor's degree .The stance,choices and decisions of the government is a reflection of the sanity and maturity of the Psyche of it's pple

NOW THEY VE. INFEESTED. ALL OF. US!
DOCTORS ARE NOW CLUELESS INEPT. Nd IMPISH
WE The PEOPLE.
NOW CLUELESS
PRESIDO MORE CLUELESS! NAIRALANDERS NOW CLUELESS
MADAM, PLS GIVE ME. A COOL. BOTTLE OF BEER ... CHINEKE! ...
MADAM IS ALSO CLUELESS

chucs: you are the one sounding very unsure of yourself. You are the one fighting and insulting and I'm laughing at your childishness. Keep blowing hot air and making Nigerians lose the last confidence they have in Nigerian trained doctors. That's why rich ppl in this country travel out to get wholistic and good medical treatment

Dude, u ve been exposing urself all these while O! Why throw unyielding. tantrums on the wrong person? Direct it to urself, stop exhibiting ur childishness in d worldwide-web!!! Jeezz!

spankyflex: nigerian doctors:vry selfish n arrogant set of pple

Dude, it's very clear u lack proper wisdom and understanding that even a toddler can comprehend. I suggest u get an IQ assessment for ur age!

godsony:

NOW THEY VE. INFEESTED. ALL OF. US!
DOCTORS ARE NOW CLUELESS INEPT. Nd IMPISH
WE The PEOPLE.
NOW CLUELESS
PRESIDO MORE CLUELESS! NAIRALANDERS NOW CLUELESS
MADAM, PLS GIVE ME. A COOL. BOTTLE OF BEER ... CHINEKE! ...
MADAM IS ALSO CLUELESS

You k ow its guys like you that make naira land lively. Lol

God bless you, Doctors are not only selfish rather they are selmeat join

PerfectFortune: It is only in Nigeria that the Drs want to head all aspects of the medical profession but want to remain unprofessional, arrogant and complete chEats.

They want All nurses to have Bsc cos that is the minimum in the USA currently (without a pay rise and when they get their Phd they should not be addressed as Drs of Nursing and when they become Profs should still not be consultants) . Pharm D should not be approved (as it is currently in the USA) cos it will give the Pharmacists the privilege of being addressed as Drs which will inturn lead to them becoming a consultant and as such can head a medical institution which is d practise in the USA currently.

They are less concerned about the patients, self centered, arrogant and completely undertrained (unprofessional), harbalists are better than some of them but want to remain at the top.

Na wa o

PerfectFortune: It is only in Nigeria that the Drs want to head all aspects of the medical profession but want to remain unprofessional, arrogant and complete chEats.

They want All nurses to have Bsc cos that is the minimum in the USA currently (without a pay rise and when they get their Phd they should not be addressed as Drs of Nursing and when they become Profs should still not be consultants) . Pharm D should not be approved (as it is currently in the USA) cos it will give the Pharmacists the privilege of being addressed as Drs which will inturn lead to them becoming a consultant and as such can head a medical institution which is d practise in the USA currently.

They are less concerned about the patients, self centered, arrogant and completely undertrained (unprofessional), harbalists are better than some of them but want to remain at the top.

Na wa o

This is it!
It's going to be fallacy to claim that doctors have the best brains,yes they have very good brains,but u can be a pharmacist and have higher IQ than a doctor.
But it ain't just about IQ,medicine is an art and a science u learn nd get better on the job with time.
Doctors have the widest and most rigorous form of training amongst all health professionals,that can't be disputed.They are therefore naturally fit to lead any HEALTH team.Yes some people will say the CMD position is an purely,thats not true,why then does every teaching hospital have a designated Director of administration who is not a doctor.Comparing our health care structure with US,Uk will mean we r ready to replace d whole system with deirs.Handpicking rules and situations which suits each association's interests nd neglecting the ones that don't wont help the situation.

VantagePoint:
Now you single out physiotherapists.
Are nurses, pharmacists, medical laboratory scientists "trained to diagnose and prescribe treatment"?
Who is misinforming Nigerians?

Look dat is a big misinformation. Somebody like d author of dat latter written to FG should know dis. Y won't she be specific, abi na wetin dem teach am 4 skool? Plz who ever dat wants to address d public should do some research and consultation b4 making a public pronunciation. Physiotherapist r 1st contact medical practitioners which means dat patient can go to dem without seeing a doctor. It also means dat other practitioners like d physicians refer patient to dem for further treatment and management as d case may be.

ILIDEFI:

With all sincerity, I believe that whoever does residency in a particular specialty should be appointed a consultant. Physiotherapists stand a very high chance of becoming consultants who would be useful in health care practice. Very very useful.

But, what will be the role of consultant nurses, lab scientists and pharmacists? From my research, consultant nurses and pharmacists in US and other advanced countries don't work in hospitals. They work in places like psychiatric and geriatric homes. Their working in hospitals will cause a lot of confusion, as it happened in a teaching hospital where a consultant pharmacist went inside a ward and started cancelling prescriptions made by a consultant cardiologist.

If other health workers will develop their post graduate colleges and start residency, then they can be appointed consultants when they become specialists, but not based on years of service. In that case, they will be willing to face the risk of losing their jobs and applying afresh as consultants, in which they may or may not be employed. Also, the onus lies on each hospital to determine how many consultants it will need. Believe me, most hospitals in Nigeria won't need consultant nurses and pharmacists, cos they have very little extra to impart in the health care as consultants, compared to how much their salaries will be.

JOHESU is an amorphous body. They should come and fight as individual professional groups. What applies to physiotherapists may not apply to nurses. Consultant physiotherapist makes sense, but not consultant nurse. There is also no need for consultant radiographers and optometrists when consultant radiologists and ophthalmologists are available. What value will the consultant radiographers and optometrists impart that the radiologist and ophthalmologist can't? It will bring anarchy in health care practice. What will consultant lab scientists do in the labs? Even abroad, they mostly don't work in hospitals, but just consult in different facilities just like consultants in other disciplines generally.

I just pray the government will handle this issue maturely and bring a lasting solution to this chaos. God bless us all.

Well my dear dat JOHESU is made up of all many profession is b/cos dere is a lot going wrong in d health, much greater dan been a consultant. Now imagine working in a hospital for 7yrs and d hospital hav not sponsored u to any refreshers course either home or abroad so dat u can compete wit ur mates outside nigeria, while d same hospital spends hundreds of millions of naira sending many physicians to update courses both home and abroad, how would u feel?
How would u feel if someone told u dat no matter how hard u work, u will neva get to the apex of ur profession which is been a director( in d case of civil services)? Note dere is a big difference between a director and a consultant.
Now as u well know d hospital is made up of different professionals coming 2geda to work as a unit i.e physicians, nurses, lab sci etc. Normally @ least each of dis profession should hav one person representing dem on d hospital board, so dat dey r been carried along wit d happenings in d hospital. Buh wat u hav is dat a hospital board made up of 15 members, 13 r physicians, 1 slot is 4 nurses, 1 slot 4 non clinical staff (i.e security, engineering, socials workers), and d remain slot 4 other professionals(i.e physiotherapist, lab sci, radio, pharm, optometrist). Now do u tink dis hospital board is balanced?

sogodihno:

Do these people tink everybody dt is doing pharmacy,nursing and physiotherapy first apply for medicine or intentionally want to go for medicine? in OAU if u dont beat d cut off of medicine, even if u beat dt of pharmacy u cant enter, because u didnt choose pharmacy.

Medicine was reserved for the best brains?
In OAU 2011/2012 PD, d highest score was 91. and dz boy dt got dz score chose pharmacy and cut off for medicine den was 82, like wise some of my friend wth scores like 83, 84 etc dt chose pharmacy.
u said 'best brains' make me remember a guy we called best brain, and u know wat? dz guy is in pharmacy not medicine. 60% of students in OAU bliv dt OAU PHARMACY is tougher than OAU MEDICINE; and dt's d truth.
Dz country na wa o, because u A a doctor u tink u A more intelligent than everybody else. Dia A some of my friend currently in Medicine dt score as low as 220,240 wen d cut off was 295. Dis A d best brains too? u call urself d head and u A preventing other part of d body from growing. let's see if d head will survive too.

LASTLY, All we A doing in dz country, let's all know that diaris God o

You have clearly lied in this comment, the boy who scored 91 in the 2011/2012 PD of OAU is a medical student,Ihemebiri Chinazo is his name, I'm in prime position to know this as he's my classmate and our matric numbers Re apposed

[quote author=Talibanis]
Dude, u ve been exposing urself all these while O! Why throw unyielding. tantrums on the wrong person? Direct it to urself, stop exhibiting ur childishness in d worldwide-web!!! Jeezz![/quote/) You are the most blocked head I have encountered..please help yourself out with some pills... Look who is writing about childishness,dude you chart like a neonate.

Dio1: You have clearly lied in this comment, the boy who scored 91 in the 2011/2012 PD of OAU is a medical student,Ihemebiri Chinazo is his name, I'm in prime position to know this as he's my classmate and our matric numbers Re apposed

caught in the act.



though am no longer surprised at the lies.

alakid:

Wow! I just hv to respond to this.
1. Augmentin is that same amoxicillin you were referring to, just enhanced with clavulanic acid. It is a category A drug, safe in pregnancy, and more effective than amoxicillin alone. What we can take home from this is that you have cheated your sister.
2. Proguanil (Paludrine) is no longer recommended for treatment of malaria, it is rather used for preventing malaria in high risk patients, drug of choice is quinine, however, Artesunate has not been found to be harmful to pregnant animals, as such can be used in malaria in pregnancy. Our take home lesson from this also is that you didn't allow your sister treat malaria effectively, placing her at risk of many complications of malaria including preterm labor, the very thing you were trying to avoid.
In conclusion, I would advise you to always seek wise counsel from people of knowledge (in this case doctors) whenever you are confused. Thanks

One word for you doctor.. God bless you. One word for that elder brother...FOOL...

Shitttttt

drobadebayo:

U need a clinical residency to be a consultant,being a professor is academic.dont u get?a doc dat does M.Sc,Ph.D,in microbiology,lectures,write papers nd becomes a professor is a professor nd nutty else,u cn only be appointed as a consultant in a teaching hospital wen u complete a residency in clinical microbiology nd become a fellow.

Doctors are great people..the gap is just too wide..consultants without residency...nurses and pharmacists...contunu o

Are you sure you really did all these that you mentioned below? I don't think so. If you had gone through that stream correctly, you should have known what you should be addressed with.....that very university will definitely tell you what you have attained.
Meanwhile let me educate you that residency does not earn you a consultant title but specialist.

Abraham2013:
If I did 5yrs in d university and obtain a bachelor's degree in physiotherapy, den proceed to US and do extra 2yrs to be given DPT(doctor of physiotherapy), den proceed to do residency in cardiopulmonary physiotherapy for 5yrs, wat should I be addressed as in ur own view?

Abraham2013:
If I did 5yrs in d university and obtain a bachelor's degree in physiotherapy, den proceed to US and do extra 2yrs to be given DPT(doctor of physiotherapy), den proceed to do residency in cardiopulmonary physiotherapy for 5yrs, wat should I be addressed as in ur own view?

r u nt tired of dis ur nonsense? U think I dnt knw u 4rm fb

RichGabriel: Are you sure you really did all these that you mentioned below? I don't think so. If you had gone through that stream correctly, you should have known what you should be addressed with.....that very university will definitely tell you what you have attained.
Meanwhile let me educate you that residency does not earn you a consultant title but specialist.

Interesting, plz educate me more, wat den qualifies one 2 a consultant?

ACM10:

r u nt tired of dis ur nonsense? U think I dnt knw u 4rm fb

Can u plz explain d nonsense u r talking about? If u know me 4rm FB and so wat, I thief ur money?

RichGabriel: Are you sure you really did all these that you mentioned below? I don't think so. If you had gone through that stream correctly, you should have known what you should be addressed with.....that very university will definitely tell you what you have attained.
Meanwhile let me educate you that residency does not earn you a consultant title but specialist.

Plz read d post very well, am just giving an example, I did not say I am d one dat did all those post graduate studies listed above. Although I hav senior colleagues who hav done so.

This JOHESU should respect themselves.
This was how a nurse operated on my family member and damaged one of her eyes. They keep claiming they are doctors, tarnishing the image of Nigerian doctors.
NMA really need to look into this. How can a nurse have the guts to operate on somebody's eye.
Or is it the one that happened in Bauchi where a nurse removed someone's kidney. At least that one was broadcasted on NTA.

Radiography as a profession does not necessarily need the input of doctors in their consultancy service. Some ignorant people would come on here to tell me that radiologist are there already. I say no, the job description is different. A consultant radiographer may pursue a specialty training in medical physics. I would cite the practice in USA were a medical physicist has two options of training; either therapeutic or diagnostic. The do not work under the direction of any doctor but independently. Why would someone in this capacity not be able to have the "CONSULTANT TITLE?" After earning a PHD and additional three of more years of residency ( yes I said residency because that it what it is called in the US)? Have you asked yourself why people Nigerians are dying from simple, avoidable medical errors? A major part of it is due lack of specialization. Lets take cancer treatment for instance, if the doctors (radiologist/ oncologist in particular) are very honest with themselves, they would agree with me that the level of training they have is not enough to cover every aspect of the radiotherapy treatment. They would need to consult with the medical physicist. It is then the job of this consultant to do very complicated calculation/calibrations bearing in mind the peculiarity of the patient, the diseases state/stage, the equipment and the desired result. In terms of salary,this consultant medical physicist earn more than some doctors in the US. Yet, these are people that advanced in their career from being a radiographer. Growth and advancement are integral parts of professionalism. Advancement is a major reason people go into certain careers.

I hate to say this but as an eye opener; next time when you see someone who just went for radiotherapy treatment in Nigeria, look at him/her very well. Apart from the normal side effect of radiation expose, the obvious is usually as a result of the "I know it all approach." Healthy tissues are hardly spared, and most times, the cancer tumors are missed. Why is this so? The answers is because a consultant medical physicist was never involved/consulted to guide in delivering the right dose of radiation, at the right amount and to the right target with the right calibrated machine. This knowledge is way beyond any doctor's ability! The very issue of consultancy which is at heart of the whole faceoff is the lesson anyone should take from this piece. QUOTE ME ANYWHRERE!!!

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[quote authotalimumu i can see that u really painedr=Talibanis]
Dude, it's very clear u lack proper wisdom and understanding that even a toddler can comprehend. I suggest u get an IQ assessment for ur age![/quote]

sogodihno:

Do these people tink everybody dt is doing pharmacy,nursing and physiotherapy first apply for medicine or intentionally want to go for medicine? in OAU if u dont beat d cut off of medicine, even if u beat dt of pharmacy u cant enter, because u didnt choose pharmacy.

Medicine was reserved for the best brains?
In OAU 2011/2012 PD, d highest score was 91. and dz boy dt got dz score chose pharmacy and cut off for medicine den was 82, like wise some of my friend wth scores like 83, 84 etc dt chose pharmacy.
u said 'best brains' make me remember a guy we called best brain, and u know wat? dz guy is in pharmacy not medicine. 60% of students in OAU bliv dt OAU PHARMACY is tougher than OAU MEDICINE; and dt's d truth.
Dz country na wa o, because u A a doctor u tink u A more intelligent than everybody else. Dia A some of my friend currently in Medicine dt score as low as 220,240 wen d cut off was 295. Dis A d best brains too? u call urself d head and u A preventing other part of d body from growing. let's see if d head will survive too.

LASTLY, All we A doing in dz country, let's all know that diaris God o

If the Guy was truly Intelligent, he would have gone to study the Pure Sciences Like Mathematics, Physics, or at the very least Engineering.

Leave them to dey make mouth in their arrogance....

Abraham2013:
If I did 5yrs in d university and obtain a bachelor's degree in physiotherapy, den proceed to US and do extra 2yrs to be given DPT(doctor of physiotherapy), den proceed to do residency in cardiopulmonary physiotherapy for 5yrs, wat should I be addressed as in ur own view?

That's who I'll call a Professional Physiotherapist. Until you get employed as a Physiotherapist and use that awesome body of knowledge........you're still a Physiotherapist.
But you knew all this when you were going to school now.
Does having a PhD as a University Registrar qualifies you to run for the VC? NO of course.
And what's the name of the person with such qualifications that you descriped?

omotalkie:
U see why I said ur so loud mouthed and empty upstairs? Who in his right senses will prescribe Artesunate & Augumentin to someone in one month pregnancy? Don't u knw it'll lead to either miscarriage or worse still abnormality? An d end result will be Madam we're deeply sorry(as usual for u pple) Mr. dr, Paludrin & Amoxil is d safest drug one can take in d early trimester. There is no gud reason he had wotsoeva to prescribe those drugs except to kill d lil Angel ( wch dats wot u are known for). So take a chill pill and accept it dat u are half baked!

This is one of the effects of skin deep education that's just barely scratching the surface.
And this I believe is not a Pharmacist but one of those wannabes.
Amoxil and Augmentin are both in the same class for Pregnancy in all Drug compendium and that's either A or B.
Your mentioning of Paludrine as an alternative gives me no other alternative than to leave you to your sea of knowledge.
The person that clicked that LIKE under your post must be a witch under a spell cos I'm sure the person had no idea why he clicked the like.
NB - I said you're most likely not a Pharmacists because all the Pharmacists I know could easily have studied Med but decided to go for Pharmacy and would not commit this heresy you just committed up here