SOUNDKING:
bro,1966 is far gone, tell me what gej winning election in 2011 has to do with Igbos but they were the primary target of the riot in the north,tell me what concerns the name Jimi with Igbo name,but the Igbos recieved all the threat of life in lagos, may amadioha punish any igbo man saying one nigeria.

pazienza:


You are all over the place. You need to calm down.

You are yet to answer my question, so I ask again. Can you authoritatively prove that Nzeogwu and co were acting on behalf of Ndiigbo? Yes or No.


Now let me give you reasons why Nzeogwu coup was not to Igbo advantage.

1. Igbo controlled two of the four regions of Nigeria before Nzeogwu coup. Osadebey and Okpara were the premiers of the Midwestern and Eastern regions respectively.

2. The regions enjoyed enormous powers, so much that Akintola's New coalition with the North would matter less, seeing as the two Igbo controlled regions just newly discovered oil wealth, and with the 50:50 revenue sharing formula between the region and the FG then, control of the East and Midwest was more lucrative than control of the FG.

3. How exactly did Ironsi centralization ish favour Ndiigbo, when it now meant that we had to share the newly discovered crude oil wealth of the Midwest and East with the North and the West, haven't we been accused of wanting Biafra just to corner the crude oil wealth of ND, how exactly would centralization of the government, help Ndiigbo to corner the crude oil, don't you think that regionalism was a better way to go, if the theory of Igbo greed for crude oil must hold?

4. The crude wealth of the Midwest and East would have put Ndiigbo millions of miles away from the North and the West, once we allowed the minorities to have an upper hand in the wealth.

Nzeogwu coup was totally anti Igbo.

It eliminated Akintola, Awo's nemesis. With Akintola alive, Yorubas would remain divided between Awo and Akintola, making their exploitation easier. Akintola death freed Awo, United Yorubas who then worked against Ndiigbo as a United front.

zendy:



There is no territorial integrity to protect if the state has no legitimacy.

superstar1:


I have answered your question on whether the coup was executed on behalf of the igbos or not? Of course you do not expect them to come to the market square to ask for mandate to execute the coup on behalf of certain groups of people. However, taking into cognisance the executioners of the coup, the victims of the coup and beneficiaries of the coup, one might be technically inclined to believe so.

Igbos were controlling the 2 regions. Beautiful. What now made Ironsi to centralise power? I will like to know the presumed motive(s), because he could still have been the Head of State and still leave the region's the way they were.

SOUNDKING:
bro,1966 is far gone, tell me what gej winning election in 2011 has to do with Igbos but they were the primary target of the riot in the north,tell me what concerns the name Jimi with Igbo name,but the Igbos recieved all the threat of life in lagos, may amadioha punish any igbo man saying one nigeria.

AnambraDota:
When armed militants killed Nigeria troops in Bayelsa Nigeria government led by surrogate Fulaniman from yolobaland killed unarmed civilians and livestocks while the militancy thrive.

When Fulani herdsmen killed Nigeria police in Odi, Obasanjo the usual puppet killed civilians and livestock at Zaki Biam.

Zoooooogeria I hail theeeeeeee

AnambraDota:


Nobody is behind those hate mongering except the Zulus on Southern Nigeria, they are everywhere calling for disaster and hate against Igbos but they won't challange a Fulani man that call the Kaffirs.
Their kings want Igbos death, their intellectuuals want igbos destroyed, their youth are singing disaster to igbos because they covetous people who are obsessed about others properties.

They tell you tell will take over your houses when Biafra is actualize to show you they are no different from the Zulus in SA who can't stand a whiteman but will fight a blackman.

These zulus of Nigeria with their lagoon drunk bribe collector called king lilwayne is an inferior muslim, a cripple gambari worth more than him in a mosque

pazienza:


I don't know his motives, but whatever his motives were, it's obvious that it wasn't pro Igbo, it was more of personal selfishness.

Osadebey and Okpara didn't willingly surrender their thrones and visions for the East and Midwest, they were forced to by Ironsi, likewise Orizu the speaker.

Okpara had plans of placing PH ahead of Lagos, he had been working on that plan diligently with just revenues from Enugu coal and Palm oil plantations spread mostly in Igboland and Ibibiolands, just when he got crude wealth to accelerate that master plan of his, Nzeogwu and his boys put a stop to everything.

after1:
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This accursed old fool is here again to derail this thread. @Pazienza, This fool called buddahmonk Aka Anambradota will help derail your thread. Tell him to discuss about the thread and stop insulting other tribes.

AnambraDota:


Why are you on my diick with you fakeass handle, face me like a realman now and stop hiding.

Yoloba doctor called for genocide against Igbos only to say his twiiter account was hacked.

Loool, I know that's why your hiding behind this silly moniker to fight me abi, declare yourself let's slugg it out, before you beg that your account is hacked or how you have an Igbo ex girlfriend

after1:
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Trash from a jobless old man that still live with his aged mother in the village. Its only on nairaland we see fools open thread to curse and insult other tribe and still say people hate them. You insult other tribes and still want them to love you, are you insane? Channel the energy you use in cursing other tribes to your worthless life, you have been stagnant for years and your younger brothers now feed you. Sit and think deeply about your useless life cos you are just a walking corpse.

superstar1:


Based on the fact that we do not know his motive, you can believe it was for personal selfish interest and i can also believe what i deemed fit.

Did Okpara shred the master plan or he died with it? Why has this angelic Masterplan not been followed rigidly till date?

The Ministers informed Orizu that they have chosen Zana Dipcharima to be the PM, having learnt of the fate that befell Balewa. Orizu rejected being the acting President, due to the unending vacation of ZIkm which was thought to have been tip off by his cousin about the impending coup.

Orizu liaised with Ironsi and handed over to Ironsi and other ministers complied at gun points.

Notice the trend:

Coup plotters - Led by Nzeou, cousin to Zik
Beneficiary -- Ironsi
President that went for medical check up just before the coup -- ZIk
The acting president that refused to swear in Dipvahrima -- Orizu
The acting president that handed over to the military --- Orizu
The military president that took over -- Ironsi.

Be objective in this. There is a connecting dot in all of this.

What is the way forward should be the next thing and not the continuous dwelling on events of 50years ago, carried out by guys that were less than 35years of age.

AnambraDota:


[s]I will be foolish to reply until you unveil yourself. I don't shaddowbox, declare and identify yourself now unless I won't reply you anymore.

Use your original handle.

I will keep tormenting your original moniker untill your hatred for Igbos is cured, every thread in NL that have to do with Igbos only have you defending the sokoto gudali, your defending the gambari when your not a fulani, when Northerners are mentioned you will carry the matter for head, when the fulanis are mentioned you will be defending and insulting Igbos.

What do you benefit insulting Igbos while defending the gambaris, am an igboman and I will defend Igbos, I don't defend Gambaris neither do I defend Ijaw or the Urhobos.

Your everywhere Igbos are mentioned dishing hate and insults, those that concern you and those that don't your there

pazienza:


So, you believe others complied at gun points, but Orizu had a choice and didn't comply to Ironsi directives at gun point, simply because he( Orizu) was Igbo?


You see how you Igbophobia blinds you to the true nature of human.

No human will give away his powers willingly, We have seen cousins fight each other for power( Amaechi and Omehia), but you somehow believe that Orizu would willingly surrender his powers and become ordinary and anonymous simply because Ironsi was a fellow Igbo, you mean to say that Orizu had no political ambitions of his own? Do you know how distant Nnewi is from Umuahia?

Do you really for once think that an unarmed Orizu really stood a chance at defying Ironsi, a military man with gun who commands battalions of soldiers?

You are clearly not being objective.

superstar1:


In all the cases I sited, the integrity of the sovereignty of the State is being threatened and the sitting President at that point in time acted decisively to protect the sovereignty of the nation.

Emphasis is on the protection of territorial integrity and sovereignty of the nation and not who is killing who.

I never supported of Igbos by northerners and can never support the killing of human beings. Most people 's point of view is that if there was no coup of January, under events that occurred would not have. That was the Genesis of the whole crisis.

Ijaw people never denied Adaka Boro's declaration. Just because a handful of Ijaws in the parliament in Enugu were singing different tunes, does not make his declaration invalid. Was Ike Nwachukwu not in the Nigerian Army that fought against Bi afraid? Would he not have been telling Gowon some unprintable things about Ojukwu. Would he not have informed Gowon that Ojukwu was forcing his pet project on his people.

Which independent person was present at the referendum for the declaration of Biafra? How are we sure Ojukwu did not use cohesive force to choose the people that voted at the referendum, using the Abacha's style and taking into cognisance that results are still being written in people's bedroom in 2015.

If Biafra declaration is valid, same goes for Isaac Boro's declaration.

In your own opinion, looking at those unfortunate incidents retrospectively, what do you think each party ought to have done differently, that could have been beneficial to all?

SOUNDKING:
shut up, no body forced what to vote on any body during the referendum igbos saw Biafra as the only land they could call their own,that is why we had too much act of petrotism from Igbos during war,i could remenber my father told me about many of his coleagues from the achuzia's X brigade, that chose to commit suicide rather than go back to Nigeria. We shall rise again!!!!

superstar1:


You missed the point.

Orizu had the opportunity to swear in Dipcharima and he declined and he refused to co-operate with the other ministers.. Whether he did at gun point or not is inconsequential again, once he fettered away the golden opportunity to continue with our nascent democracy of then, by simply handling a swearing in ceremony of 10minutes and oath taking.

It would have been a different ball game entirely if he had sworn in Dipcharima and Ironsi comes into the Exco and forced all of them to resign and hand over to him. We shall all know Ironsi was acting out his own script with the coup plotters.

Why was Ironsi interested in taking over, if he was not part of the plot ab initio, at least he said the coup has been crushed. He could as well allow the democratic structure to continue by the constitutional succession plan.

People can see through all the lies and deceptions. How will a sitting, though ceremonial president leave the country for 3months for mere medical check up and vacation. FRom Britain he ended up in the carribeans, Even the meeting of Heads of Commonwealth that as held in early Jan of 1966 could not bring him back into the country and this was a person that loves podium more than his home.

SOUNDKING:
shut up, no body forced what to vote on any body during the referendum igbos saw Biafra as the only land they could call their own,that is why we had too much act of petrotism from Igbos during war,i could remenber my father told me about many of his coleagues from the achuzia's X brigade, that chose to commit suicide rather than go back to Nigeria. We shall rise again!!!!

superstar1:


You are funny. Legitimacy lies in your celebration of independence.

superstar1:


Definitely the demented you woke up this morning, omo ti o niran.

Your father told you and you are not even ashamed of yourself. Lazy way out of having an informed knowledge. Some of us did not wait for our fathers to tell us, we read every book and article available on the war. That was the same way Chimamanda was telling us how her uncle told her his make-me-feel-good tales by moonlight stories.

Do yourself a great service of reading up.

His colleagues committed suicide and their supposed sissy leader spared his own life by dressing as a woman while running away to Abidjan.

Definitely they died a worthless death just like suicide bombers of Boko Haram,

barcanista:
I want to appeal to people to discuss without attacking any tribe irrespective of disagreement.

@Topic: The events of 1966-1970 should teach every one of us some lesson, especially when pursuing an interest.
Kaduna Nzeogwu coup was clearly not endorsed by the Igbo nation nor any of the Eastern/MidWestern tribes. However, because the beneficiary of the coup was from the Eastern Region, while the victims were majorly from non-Eastern/Midwestern region, some people took advantage to interpret the coup as "Igbo Coup" in order to instigate non Easterners against innocent Easterners living in the North.

Then Senate President/Acting President Orizu Nwafor could have agreed to swear-in the Ministers chosen PM immediately he was approached.

Gen Aguiyi Ironsi was one funny character. He was very much aware that the process that brought him to power was not-so acceptable. Rather than look into the fears of every group and also fasten the trial of the coup plotters, he was relaxed and acted as if "all was well". He went further to repeal the Regional system to institute unitary system that was at no time favorable to anybody just to appear "nationalistic". He failed to realise that you can't create unity when people are dissatisfied.

Yakubu Gowon should have addressed and put an end to the polgrom. He also should have respected the Aburi accord or in the alternative make it go through a referendum. Even when the war was on, he should have sought for a bloodless solution if he was so interested in people rather than just a country.

Odimegwu Ojukwu though acted on the complain of his people should have pushed for external support and OAU/UN referendum. Patience should have been employed. Secondly, there was clearly communication problem with a section of the present day SS. Some thought it was a ploy to exert Igbo dominance(turned out to be false and baseless), some supported, while others were indifferent. Politicians took advantage of divided opinion to pick sides for their own benefit.

Isaac Adaka Boro: his declaration of Independence in 1966 of the Ijaw Nation known as Niger Delta Republic was without due consultation and formal referendum. Though he had legitimate reasons and would have sailed through had it been it underwent referendum.

The People of Lower Niger/Biafra should learn from this episodes. We all should be strategic and very careful in our pursuit so as to avoid leaving loopholes that may come to haunt the struggle. For the present day Nigeria state, the mistake we keep making is that we pretend that all is well within this sugar-coated system that does nothing but promote injustice and fuels disunity. Until that is addressed, we will continue to run in circle.

May God Help Us

SOUNDKING:
shut up, no body forced what to vote on any body during the referendum igbos saw Biafra as the only land they could call their own,that is why we had too much act of petrotism from Igbos during war,i could remenber my father told me about many of his coleagues from the achuzia's X brigade, that chose to commit suicide rather than go back to Nigeria. We shall rise again!!!!

AnambraDota:


Why are you on my diick with you fakeass handle, face me like a realman now and stop hiding.

Yoloba doctor called for genocide against Igbos only to say his twiiter account was hacked.

Loool, I know that's why your hiding behind this silly moniker to fight me abi, declare yourself let's slugg it out, before you beg that your account is hacked or how you have an Igbo ex girlfriend