First, We are not citizens of a country.

We are citizens of diverse nations reluctantly tied together in an unwanted and despised unification

RibaduFan:

For your information

Destitutes of Yioruba extration were the first to thrown out of Lagos. Some were sent back early late last year.

You cannot legally deport an individual from any state in his/her country. But am sure if the existence of an individual is proven, beyond all reasonable doubt, to be inimical to that of others, such an individual can be declared persona nongranta

nex:

@all

ARE THE BEGGARS ALL FROM KADUNA STATE?


It may be wrong for Lagos to deport citizens of other states, but to particularly send them to Kaduna State is looking for serious trouble.

What if Kaduna decides to deport all criminals from its state which are not indigenes and send them all down to Lagos.


I've been complaining about beggars in Lagos since 1996 and the only solution to stop people from begging is to stop people from giving them alms. If you arrest beggars, others will take their place, if you release them, they will return because their wellbeing depends on it. They are that desperate.

When alms givers are arrested or fined for giving alms, this rubbish will stop. Nobody wants to be punished for doing something they are not desperate for.

If KAI can arrest about 20 alms givers from different parts of Lagos and fine them N50 thousand or take them to a magistrate who will sentence them to 6 months without labour, I tell you, nobody will give beggars money anymore. If nobody gives beggars money, beggars would not keep begging. They will find crafts to engage in, go back home or commit suicide.


Please, I'm not saying Fashola should not abuse people's human rights by deporting other indigenes, but if he has to, they should be deported to their states of origin not Kaduna state. This action on Kaduna State would be seen as a prelude to war. Deporting Kaduna State indigenes to Kaduna may be sending a message to the Government of Kaduna to stand up to its responsibilities. However, when you deport Sokoto, Kebbi, Zamfara, Borno, Niger, Gombe and Adamawa all to Kaduna State, you're starting what nobody can finish.

nex:

@Negro_Ntns


You think I'm patronizing, but I'm just warning. Have you engaged in a real advanced argument with 32 teeth and grey hair? Okay.


@tpia

Adolf Hitler was named by TIME Magazine as man of the year for transforming Germany from the debris of World War 1 to the number 1 position in Europe. While all the praises were showered on him, people knew how he was CLEANING UP the place by sending a lot of Germans to EUGENICS Centres.


I repeat, what Fashola did by shipping various destitute Northerners to Kaduna is very wrong and there could be extreme consequences and Fashola knows this. He's not just any lawyer off the streets, he's a SAN.

We mustn't look at the Lagos Governor's good works too much that we begin to overlook his bad works. It is his bad works that will finally make him a bad Governor.

oyb:

Fashola has deported yoruba beggars
Fashola has deported aboki beggars

two months down the line, he will deport ibo beggars - the only question is - where to?

asha 80:

I wonder where he will find them?

asha 80:

I wonder where he will find them?

oyb:

he can start in front of UBA on marina - there are some i see there most mornings at the roundabout - they are musician type beggars if i recall correctly

nex:

@No2Atheism


what do you think will happen if Kaduna gathers all the non-indigene law breakers, including beggars, pick pockets, touts, armed robbers, rapists and vandals and ship them down to Lagos. People like you only think on the short run. What's wrong with stretching you mind a little further?


@oyb

Eugenics didn't start as killing but it ended up as  massive racial cleansing.


@No2Atheism

I don't wait for anyone to deport me. As my business was crunched, I packed my bags and went back home. That is how human beings should behave. Why can't you people do the same before they deport you all to Kwara.

@oyb

Eugenics didn't start as killing but it ended up as  massive racial cleansing.

mikeansy:

Nex

What they don't get is that while those who constitute nuisance in Lagos might be beggers

Those who constitute Nuisance in the eyes of Hisbah and Shekarua of Kano might be anybody who does not wear Hijab and who does not go to Friday Mosque.

Who defines what amounts to nuisance if not the constitution that binds us all. When Shekarua reacts in his own way, Fashola's actions will surely be cited as precedent.

oyb:

yes. thats partly why the world prefers to forget that before the holocaust, eugenics was endorsed as the great idea of the time

Great point!

We are afraid of the unknowns and are not bold enough to take steps in coming up with genuine solutions for problems that are specific to our homeland. This is why I asked if you would love to go on an adventure trip with me. Our people are scared of doing things that are outside of oyibo man textbooks. Our nation is faced with unique situations that are not taught in western education and so we go through years of studying and are deprived the opportunity to learn and earn skills primary to our own needs. We keep applying oyibo man theories to black man palava. . .we have been unsuccessful because those theories result in success when applied to oyibo man problem.

Let me respond to your comments. I will outline the problem, define the baseline and recommend an instructive model for the problem.

Let us start with the term "Almajiri" itself. What does it mean? It is coined from an arabic word " Al' Majirun". Meaning one in search of self-actualization. Translated loosely, it will equate to a "Hermit". One who is seeking to find and align himself with the universal truth. By doing so the individual acquires cosmic secrets and is thus equipped to contribute selflessly and at utmost capability to humanity and social progress. This search for self knowledge require the individual to depart and detach from worldly belongings and live an ascetic lifestyle, free from owning any posessions but the basic necessities for survival. The individual must then depend on the benevolent contributions of the society to live and survive. That contribution must come in form of alms (which is speculative) or a organized welfare care (which is predictive). Because it is speculative, alms carry a risk. Under pressure of surviving, an Almajiri becomes an agent for nefarious schemes. This was the case where at various times, Almajiris, ignorant of the intent, were recruited by evil minded persons who armed them with weapons and propaganda and launched them against political opponents. This would not be the case if they were organized under a rehabilitative care funded by government and run as private outlets. Thus the Almajiris have no ties of allegiance. . .they own nothing and are not owned by anyone; they are then free to concentrate on their self actualization studies. This social problem was properly outlined in Islam. To resolve it, Islam designates it under Sharia Law.

The Northern staes claim they practice Sharia Law. To the extent that thieves have their limbs cut off and adulterers are stoned to death then these states must equally attend to the issue of Almajiri as directed by Sharia. Neglecting to do so is hypocritical and disobedient to Allah. Moreso, one of the five pillars of Islam mandates 5% of profit earnings towards charity. What charity is more morally appropriate than the feeding and clothing of those in search of the truth? Someone need to stand up to the North and confront them with this religious obligation. It is not a choice for them. . . it is what Allah ordained upon them as Muslims. To do otherwise is a sin. Fashola has stood up to them but just simply deporting Almajiris does not resolve the problem. Fashola's term will end one day and the next Governor may not followup and enforce the limitations and the problem will return. So I propose a rehabilitative option funded by Sharia states. . .politically and religiously, this is their obligation.

Accountability and Responsibility of the problem must be passed to the Northern states. If its too burdensome for them to fund the program, then it should not be too burdensome for the Almajiris to continue to depend on speculative alms on the streets of Northern states. Afterall, they were first destitutes up there before they became Almajiri on Lagos streets. The same social forces that forced them into Almajiri can re-absorb them into rehabilitation. This is why I loved Davidylan's response.

tpia.:

No it wasnt.

It was done secretly and opponents were silenced either through death or concentration camps.

oyb:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

As a social movement eugenics reached its height of popularity in the early decades of the 20th century. By the end of World War II eugenics had been largely abandoned,[3] though current trends in genetics have raised questions amongst critical academics concerning parallels between pre-war attitudes about eugenics and current "utilitarian" and social darwinistic theories[4]. At its pre-war zenith, the movement often pursued pseudoscientific notions of racial supremacy and purity.[5]

Eugenics was practiced around the world and was promoted by governments, and influential individuals and institutions. Its advocates regarded it as a social philosophy for the improvement of human hereditary traits through the promotion of higher reproduction of certain people and traits, and the reduction of reproduction of certain people and traits.[6]

Today it is widely regarded as a brutal movement which inflicted massive human rights violations on millions of people.[7] The "interventions" advocated and practised by eugenicists involved prominently the identification and classification of individuals and their families, including the poor, mentally ill, blind, "promiscuous" women, homosexuals and entire "racial" groups——such as the Roma and Jews——as "degenerate" or "unfit"; the segregation or institutionalisation of such individuals and groups, their sterilization, euthanasia, and in the extreme case of Nazi Germany, their mass extermination.[8]

The practices engaged in by eugenicists involving violations of privacy, attacks on reputation, violations of the right to life, to found a family, to freedom from discrimination are all today classified as violations of human rights. The practice of negative racial aspects of eugenics, after World War II, fell within the definition of the new international crime of genocide, set out in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.[9]

The modern field and term were first formulated by Sir Francis Galton in 1883,[10] drawing on the recent work of his half-cousin Charles Darwin. At its peak of popularity eugenics was supported by prominent people, including Margaret Sanger,[11][12] Marie Stopes, H. G. Wells, Woodrow Wilson, Prescott Bush, Theodore Roosevelt, Emile Zola, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard Keynes, John Harvey Kellogg, Winston Churchill, Linus Pauling[13] and Sidney Webb.[14][15][16] Its most infamous proponent and practitioner was however Adolf Hitler who praised and incorporated eugenic ideas in Mein Kampf, and emulated Eugenic legislation for the sterilization of "defectives" that had been pioneered in the United States.[17]



G. K. Chesterton was an early critic of the philosophy of eugenics, expressing this opinion in his book, Eugenics and Other Evils. Eugenics became an academic discipline at many colleges and universities, and received funding from many sources.[18] Three International Eugenics Conferences presented a global venue for eugenicists with meetings in 1912 in London, and in 1921 and 1932 in New York. Eugenic policies were first implemented in the early 1900s in the United States.[19] Later, in the 1920s and 30s, the eugenic policy of sterilizing certain mental patients was implemented in a variety of other countries, including Belgium,[20] Brazil,[21] Canada,[22] and Sweden,[23] among others. The scientific reputation of eugenics started to decline in the 1930s, a time when Ernst Rüdin used eugenics as a justification for the racial policies of Nazi Germany, and when proponents of eugenics among scientists and thinkers prompted a backlash in the public. Nevertheless, the second largest known eugenics program, created by social democrats in Sweden, continued until 1975.[23]

Since the postwar period, both the public and the scientific communities have associated eugenics with Nazi abuses, such as enforced racial hygiene, human experimentation, and the extermination of "undesired" population groups. However, developments in genetic, genomic, and reproductive technologies at the end of the 20th century have raised many new questions and concerns about what exactly constitutes the meaning of eugenics and what its ethical and moral status is in the modern era.

In 1974 Congress passed the National Research Act and created a commission to study and write regulations governing studies involving human participants. On May 16, 1997, President Bill Clinton formally apologized and held a ceremony for the Tuskegee study participants: "What was done cannot be undone, but we can end the silence ,  We can stop turning our heads away. We can look at you in the eye, and finally say, on behalf of the American people, what the United States government did was shameful and I am sorry. To our African American citizens, I am sorry that your federal government orchestrated a study so clearly racist"


Prevailing medical ethics at the time did not have the exacting standards for informed consent, which is now expected. Doctors routinely withheld information about patients' conditions from them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Study_of_Untreated_Syphilis_in_the_Negro_Male

nex:

@tpia

Eugenics wasn't secret. They had massive AD campaigns and many people even submitted themselves voluntarily.

nex:

@tpia


When he declared war against women in trousers, we all shouted because we love women in trousers. Now the fact that we don't love beggars doesn't mean Fashola can just endanger the lives entire people of the South living in the North by shipping destitutes to Kaduna State.

nex:

. Now the fact that we don't love beggars doesn't mean Fashola can just endanger the lives entire people of the South living in the North by shipping destitutes to Kaduna State.

You don't deport people to a place that's not their home unless you want to admit that you really did was to EXILE them. You thereby give Kaduna the right to exile unwanted non-indigener or miscreants to Calabar or better still Chad.

If Kaduna state should exile all Southerners in their territory to the Antartica, they will be violating the same Article 13 of the UN Human Rights Declaration as Fashola just did. Why should a SAN even be abusing human rights? If they de-SAN him now, he will say it is political enemies.

Nigerians please condemn what is bad. Don't say because a good man is the one doing a bad thing, is should be overlooked. Is that not what will make him bad?

I have told you people how Hitler started with good works.