You guys ae funny.

Fashola endanger live of southerners by deporting beggars? Was he the one who caused Boko Haram, Zango Kataf, Jos Crises, Kano riots where Thousands of southerners were killed?

Fashola says I dont want beggars in my house. Na crime? If you wan beg go your papa house,

He did not deport all Northerners engaging in legit biz The gatemen, the maiguard, the kiosk owners and the Mai ruwa are still there. But Beggars No. If you like them so much tell your governor in Anambra, Oyo, Abia, or Rivers to request for the deported beggars

dayokanu:

You guys ae funny.

Fashola endanger live of southerners by deporting beggars? Was he the one who caused Boko Haram, Zango Kataf, Jos Crises, Kano riots where Thousands of southerners were killed?

Fashola does not have to be the cause of those past crimes against the southern people. There is real reason to be concerned that this move of his may lead to FUTURE reprisals from the north. In a country like Nigeria, that is surely possible and the last thing any state governor, northern or southern, needs to be involved in, is planting seeds that could lead to possible chaos in the future, regardless of how connected or unconnected that governor may have been to past riots.

dayokanu:

Fashola says I dont want beggars in my house. Na crime? If you wan beg go your papa house,

Yes, it is a crime. First, the house is NOT HIS, it belongs to NIGERIA. He is only a caretaker in a piece of the property owned by NIGERIA. And so his treatment of the people has to be in accordance of the generally accepted treatment allowable by the NIGERIAN constitution. No be so again?

dayokanu:

He did not deport all Northerners engaging in legit biz The gatemen, the maiguard, the kiosk owners and the Mai ruwa are still there. But Beggars No. If you like them so much tell your governor in Anambra, Oyo, Abia, or Rivers to request for the deported beggars

Beggars, under the law, are Nigerians as well and are also subject to the same HUMANE treatment maiguards, kiosk owners, Mairuwas, Millionaires, Oil tycoons, ekiti men, are subject to( irrespective of ethnic background or place of origin). They are not dogs but human beings who are to be treated as human beings. If the problem is that a law has been broken, then they ought to be jailed or punished, Not DEPORTED.

Cheese n Rice. . . . . .Peops are still here moaning over Fashola?
Cry till the cows come home. . . . .Beggars must be driven back to where they crept out from.

Have you guys ascertained the vearacity of the story? Has there been any public statement from the Lagos State Govt. acknowledging that it did infact conduct this exercise? Let us stop wasting time deliberating on false issues

In many larger cities, such as Chicago, Illinois, panhandling or begging has been banned. In Chicago, there are a number of signs at regular intervals reminding people that peddling is banned. This rarely dissuades the beggar, and the constitutionality of such bans has not been firmly established by case law.

In the city of Orlando, Florida passed an ordinance requiring panhandlers to obtain a permit from the municipal police department. The ordinance further makes it a crime to panhandle in the commercial core of downtown Orlando, as well as within 50 feet (15 m) of any bank or automated teller machine. It is also considered a crime in Orlando for panhandlers to make false or untrue statements, or to disguise themselves, to solicit money, and to use money obtained for a claim of a specific purpose (e.g. food) to be spent on anything else (e.g. drugs). The potential for these latter restrictions to be enforced is minimal.

In Santa Cruz, CA, there are regulations for panhandlers on where they can and cannot "beg". For example, they must be a certain distance away from the door of any business.

In parts of San Francisco, CA, aggressive panhandling is prohibited.

In atlanta panhandling is banned.

It is not a crime to be poor or "vagrant." but a law can be made against begging.

Lagos is only been aggressive against begging, It's either the beggers go to jail or Government help them go home, sweet home, LOL

And you peopel will begin to raise hell when they start deporting Nigerians from other countries such as South Africa.

Una no get shame.

Jesus of nazareth, una still dey here?

morpheus24:

And you peopel will begin to raise hell when they start deporting Nigerians from other countries such as South Africa.

Una no get shame.

are those Nigerians there illegally? and are they beggars?

Is Italy allowed to deport Nigerian prostitutes or should they just shut up and open their borders for all Nigerian prostitutes and prostitute wannabees?

If I was a Local Government Chairman or Governor what will I do about beggers in lagos? Tread the thin line between Human rights and private rights.

First and foremost, no one has a right to sleep or "beg" on the property of another. Private property means private property and an owner of property is within his rights to regulate how guests use that property. Like many jurisdictions, I'd enforce a no-loitering law that makes it a crime to loiter without the permission of a property owner.I will include government agency and property.

When a vagrant or begger is arrested for loitering, I'd want the judge hearing the case to determine if the individual is within his senses enough to sustain himself without violating the rights of others. Begging is not a legitimate profession (unless perhaps you own the parcel of land you are begging from in that case relocating the begger to his fathers compund in the north is not bad). Frankly, either a person is mentally capable of sustaining themselves, or they are not.

@tpia

not the whole of my post was referring to you. Just the first part.

And like you said, if even your family members or yourself are found begging, there should be on hesitation sending you HOME. We're saying the same thing. Kaduna beggars should be sent to Kaduna State not Northern Beggars to Kaduna State.

Antarctica comes into the question just to illustrate that abusing the 13th human right is abusing the 13th human right. Locally or internationally. Violating of border is violation of border and can yield the same results. But honestly, I don't want to argue.


The issue of Ladies On Trousers In Lagos, one Television Presenter and her friend were also harassed and I doubt they were prostitutes. There are a couple of Nairaland threads that deal with the issue.

I just believe Fashola was past these types of mistakes. Anyway, we're yet to confirm if all the beggars sent to Kaduna were Kaduna State indigenes (forgive my earlier indigener, it is the handwork of Nokia T9).

Well, I hope for peace. I don't support begging and I campaign for people to leave Lagos if they can't afford it.

My major beef on this issue is the EXILE thing.

@tarano

you have posted well. I'll add to your policy, legislation which will make the giving of alms to beggars illegal. That to me is the best way to end this thing. Nobody wants to be punished for doing a seemingly good deed. Besides, some of these are willing to face punishment and in fact continue begging, but alms givers are not ready to be punished for giving alms. By the time a couple of people are punished for giving alms, people will cease giving alms and when beggars can't get alms, they WILL STOP begging.

so the housas in lagos are in strange land

That's what Fashola has declared. I wonder if by his own logic, he has not also sent most of them abroad to Kaduna.

tarano:

If I was a Local Government Chairman or Governor what will I do about beggers in lagos? Tread the thin line between Human rights and private rights.

First and foremost, no one has a right to sleep or "beg" on the property of another. Private property means private property and an owner of property is within his rights to regulate how guests use that property. Like many jurisdictions, I'd enforce a no-loitering law that makes it a crime to loiter without the permission of a property owner.I will include government agency and property.

I noticed you mentioned American cities where no loitering laws exist. But you did not seem to point out that these same cities, included Chicago, now have a serious program with beggars and homeless people. I mean No loitering on paper seems one thing but do you know that the police cannot take care of all the beggars/homeless folks. They arrest them and then set them free. Most of them go back to the streets at the end of the day? The State however has numerous programs and partnerships with private organizations to help curb this problem.

tarano:

When a vagrant or begger is arrested for loitering, I'd want the judge hearing the case to determine if the individual is within his senses enough to sustain himself without violating the rights of others. Begging is not a legitimate profession (unless perhaps you own the parcel of land you are begging from in that case relocating the begger to his fathers compund in the north is not bad). Frankly, either a person is mentally capable of sustaining themselves, or they are not.

No loitering laws are one thing. What do you do with those you catch breaking this law? Punish them for breaking the law? Fine them? Or DEPORT them?

In a country like Nigeria where majority of the capable are still incapable of sustaining themselves(high unemployment rate), how do you handle this? I imagine how ludicrous people back in the late 1920’s to early 30’s, in America, would have thought of such a suggestion.

Plateau State has just banned street begging.
see link to thread below:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-314124.0.html


So those folks vilifying Fashola will have something to keep then shut! ; I still maintain that Fashola's action was timely, if not these guys who have just been banned would be considering relocating to Lagos. Haba!

Let's face it, if the North has been so intolerant of other people's culture and religion, why then should Lagos be the dumping ground of their scums?
Is it because we are tolerant? As an indigene of this state, i say that they stretch our amenities while not adding any value to this very society. Eko o ni baje?

You are very right Chicago for instance has a huge problem with beggars, vagrant, homelessness whaterver we call it. The lagos problem are poor vagrants from the hinterland of Nigeria that are chronic beggers, and there numbers are huge, my brother Every avenue should be used to mitigate the problem, rehab, relocation, jail even, employment, forced foster care for kids, everything was used in Lagos can be as aggressive as Singapore, but we need to change the trend.

If you want to know Singapore is noted for its very strict laws and regulations. Singapore beggers will be picked up by the police before long. God knows what they do to them, I know they don't play in Singapore even beggers know that,

You rightly said the the State however has numerous programs and partnerships with private organizations to help curb this problem, the question is which state is going to absorb these people into its "rehabilitation programs and partnerships" to curb the problem.

Some people will say the problem surfaced in lagos so it's the responsibility of Lagos state.

pcicero:

Plateau State has just banned street begging.
see link to thread below:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-314124.0.html


So those folks vilifying Fashola will have something to keep then shut! ; I still maintain that Fashola's action was timely, if not these guys who have just been banned would be considering relocating to Lagos. Haba!

But Mr man, banning street begging is allowable. However DEPORTING beggars to other states is the problem we see here. Do you not understand the difference?

Kobojunkie:

But Mr man, banning street begging is allowable. However DEPORTING beggars to other states is the problem we see here. Do you not understand the difference?

What do you do with those who are arrested for loitering and cant pay fines?

pcicero:

Let's face it, if the North has been so intolerant of other people's culture and religion, why then should Lagos be the dumping ground of their scums?
Is it because we are tolerant? As an indigene of this state, i say that they stretch our amenities while not adding any value to this very society. Eko o ni baje?

Well last I CHECKED Lagos is not a country neither is Kaduna, So they are allowed to live in any part of Nigeria period,

You said they are stretching your amenities. Who gets welfare in Nigeria? Wheter you are from Abia and you come to Lagos, your electricity you pay for it, your food you pay for it, your rent you pay for it, so its not like people move to Lagos to get free everything from the government cos in Naija aint nothing free in reality,

Now I dont support their begging on the streets cos its an eyesore and yes the North are not tolerant of others culture and religion BUT should we stoop low to their level? We more civilized in the south for sure,


What the Lagos govt needs to do is to make a law that makes it illegal to beg in busy roads cos Deporting a Nigerian from a part of Nigeria sounds Ludicrous.

@Kobojunkie
Then i guess you want to see them languishing in jail for violating the rule abi? So state would also have to provide the cost of free legal services because i can bet even you would not be willing to bear a fraction of that cost.

tarano:

You are very right Chicago for instance has a huge problem with beggars, vagrant, homelessness whaterver we call it. The lagos problem are poor vagrants from the hinterland of Nigeria that are chronic beggers, and there numbers are huge, my brother Every avenue should be used to mitigate the problem, rehab, relocation, jail even, employment, forced foster care for kids, everything was used in Lagos can be as aggressive as Singapore, but we need to change the trend.

Definitely, I agree that we need to change the trend. But do we trample the rights of individuals in order that we may TEMPORARILY (as we have discussed earlier that DEPORTATION is likely a temporary fix to the problem, and that as long as these people have to go home to hardship in the north, or east, they are likely to head back down to Lagos) achieve this change?

tarano:

If you want to know Singapore is noted for its very strict laws and regulations. Singapore beggers will be picked up by the police before long. God knows what they do to them, I know they don't play in Singapore even beggers know that,

Picking up beggars is one thing and yes, can be effectively done. But DEPORTING THEM? That is a completely different issue and the problem most have with this here. As I mentioned in my other post, even in the US, beggars are picked up by the police, most of them head back to the streets when released. But have you ever heard of beggars being DEPORTED back to their states of origin?

tarano:

You rightly said the the State however has numerous programs and partnerships with private organizations to help curb this problem, the question is which state is going to absorb these people into its "rehabilitation programs and partnerships" to curb the problem.

Some people will say the problem surfaced in lagos so it's the responsibility of Lagos state.

The problem is why is the Question of WHICH STATE coming up in this case when these people are just as legal in Lagos state as those who were born and raised in that state? They are all Nigerians and so can go wherever they will in Nigeria without needing to provide some passport or papers to enter?

You don't send them on EXILE. If the Plateau State Government is to follow the example of Lagos, they will exile two thirds of the beggars to Kaduna and one third to Lagos.

sjeezy8:

What do you do with those who are arrested for loitering and cant pay fines?

What else do you do with people who break the law and are unable to pay the required fine? You put them in jail or demand they do community service of some sort. When did that rule change?

@Igbo boy
Yes, Lagos is a state. But where were you when the North was mouthing Sharia?
Don't these guys benefit from anything? Even those highways that they lay on, who is responsible for maintaining them? Would you say this if they are doing the same in Enugu?

pcicero:

@Kobojunkie
Then i guess you want to see them languishing in jail for violating the rule abi? So state would also have to provide the cost of free legal services because i can bet even you would not be willing to bear a fraction of that cost.

Languishing in Jail? Ofcourse not. Give them cutlasses and hoes. They can be used for cheap labor in developing the states agricultural sector. Ever heard of community service? That way they can learn a trade ( farming) and are more likely to actually leave if they do not want to work ( speaking of the able bodied ones in this case). It is done in states here. The State hires inmates out to companies for cheap labor.

pcicero:

@Igbo boy
Yes, Lagos is a state. But where were you when the North was mouthing Sharia?
Don't these guys benefit from anything? Even those highways that they lay on, who is responsible for maintaining them? Would you say this if they are doing the same in Enugu?

It does not take a genius to realize that Sharia has made life hell for many up in the north. The poor continue to get the short end of the stick in the name of religion and since they generally do not believe they have a voice, they are forced to live as destitutes and many run to find a better life for themselves as a result. But let us not blame this one on Sharia yet. Given, the implementation of Sharia up North, remains a blight on our democracy, in my opinion. It is no reason for us to then treat these next to helpless people in this way.

I have posted. People who "patronize" beggars should be punished.


Fashola should remember that he is a Senior Advocate of Nigeria and act as someone why respects the law always.

tarano:

In many larger cities, such as Chicago, Illinois, panhandling or begging has been banned. In Chicago, there are a number of signs at regular intervals reminding people that peddling is banned. This rarely dissuades the beggar, and the constitutionality of such bans has not been firmly established by case law.

In the city of Orlando, Florida passed an ordinance requiring panhandlers to obtain a permit from the municipal police department. The ordinance further makes it a crime to panhandle in the commercial core of downtown Orlando, as well as within 50 feet (15 m) of any bank or automated teller machine. It is also considered a crime in Orlando for panhandlers to make false or untrue statements, or to disguise themselves, to solicit money, and to use money obtained for a claim of a specific purpose (e.g. food) to be spent on anything else (e.g. drugs). The potential for these latter restrictions to be enforced is minimal.

In Santa Cruz, CA, there are regulations for panhandlers on where they can and cannot "beg". For example, they must be a certain distance away from the door of any business.

In parts of San Francisco, CA, aggressive panhandling is prohibited.

In atlanta panhandling is banned.

It is not a crime to be poor or "vagrant." but a law can be made against begging.

Lagos is only been aggressive against begging, It's either the beggers go to jail or Government help them go home, sweet home, LOL

and when one violates the rule and begs in these places are they shipped off in a grey hound bus to the appalachian mountains?
If it's illegal to panhandle,the punishment for breaking the law should be a fine and or a jail sentence not deportation to another state.

@pcicero

Even if na Enugu the same respect for humanity and Nigerians for that matters should apply,

Lagos is Nigeria's New York, every ethnicity is found there, And lets face it everybody both Hausa's have contributed to make the state what it is today, so be rational, deportation of one's citizen breeds hatred

Kobojunkie:


What else do you do with people who break the law and are unable to pay the required fine? You put them in jail or demand they do community service of some sort. When did that rule change?

Ok so Lagos Governement should put women, children, and elderly in jail,

Nice plan!! , . , not really

I can even understand deportation back to their homes to a limited extent. What worries me is exiling them to a state that is not their own.