illusion2:

Not really,the VP in most democracies(even in the US) is a glorified houseboy. Even the chief of staff holds more 'power'.

illusion2:

He did not appoint the service chief,ministers,parastatal heads etc. And because ,our 'democracy' is still shaky,people won't automatically defer to him as they should in the absence of the president. . . I daresay ,ministers may even give Turai official briefings instead. And thats why Jonathan needs to work at the necessary reforms asap !

SapeleGuy:

kobojunkie,
Jonathan tolerates Yar adua and vice versa - This is evidenced by the latters refusal to hand power to Jonathan in the past even whilst on his sickbed.

illusion2:

Donald Duke in 8 years vs Fashola in 2.5 years ? haba !

C/river with 2 million(mainly 2 tribes) vs Lagos with 17 million(with almost all tribes in at least their thousands?) .

Lets always leave sentiments & face facts. The thread is about Jonathan resigning,you can start another one titled Duke vs Fashola

Kobojunkie:

NO IT IS NOT. NO such evidence can be pulled in the manner that you have above. If all he has to offer us as excuse for his INACTION is that he tolerates then he is ABSOLUTELY not fit for the job, simple.  Unless you have some serious evidence to back up the connection to make to his inaction and yar adua's refusal to hand power over to him, then I suggest we stick to what we really know please.

Kobojunkie:

That one na big lie!!! The last VP was definitely VOCAL.
But can we stick to Nigerian Examples. Do you remember Atiku, Idiaghon – VPS --- that did all they could to steal some thunder from their president.
He did not appoint them? How do you know he even disagreed in any way with the appointments? Come on!! Keep Turai out of this please cause I don’t believe a whole VP can be shut up by a woman, in Nigeria, and not say a single thing about it.

KnowAll:

We should not underestimate the power of Good-luck, all those hoodlums collecting 65,000 a month are under him. He might not have the conventional armed forces under him at the moment, he has his own de-facto force that could make the country ungovernable for any goverment in Abuja.

If u cannot dig the black gold from the ground how will the goons in Abuja eat. It is then one will realise that Abuja is a peniless town tied by an umbilical cord to the oil in the South-South.

illusion2:

What has VOCAL got to do with it? Are you talking about Atiku ,that OBJ fired all his personal staff? Idiagbon was a military 'VP' & dats a different case cos he & Buhari arranged their coup.

But don't lets digress-Are you really saying you don't believe Tural potentially wields more power than Goodluck? Then you are probably not up to date with Nigerian politics. The fact remains that currently we don't have a system,& thats why we are all concerned that all hell might break lose if Yar'Adull passes on.

Kobojunkie:

I am saying YES, I do not buy the argument that Turai (a ceremonial first lady) wields more power than a Vice President does

Kobojunkie:

I am saying YES, I do not buy the argument that Turai (a ceremonial first lady) wields more power than a Vice President does, not according to the present constitution. No that sort of excuse cannot be presented for not calling for his resignation, along with that of his boss. I don’t need to be up to date with the latest GOSSIP wire to know that.

illusion2:

You have spent too much time abroad. . . . ,

Kobojunkie:

. . .
His passivity cannot be excused away. The man has no way made us know he even objects to most of what this administration has done. He is not a man in chains, nor is he a hostage of any sort. He could easily have used his office to pursue the cause of his own tribe but he has done next to nothing of the sort of over two years in office. He has shown himself an INCOMPETENT leader and a call for him to as well resign is not out of the question.

Kobojunkie:

Or maybe it is simply the case that you spend way too much time listening to meaningless GOSSIP that ought not to even matter when it comes to your assessment of the ability of those you have as leaders?

illusion2:

Read my update above.Also please note : I don't read,listen or discuss GOSSIP !

Lets be clear of our disagreement ^{cos no one is talking about ability of anyone}
Kobo: Turai cannot possibly be more influential than the VP Goodluck

illusion: In the current set-up,Turai is probably more influential than Goodluck

Beaf:

Did you really say that? Come on man, thats really really laughable, as every ND person knows.

Kobojunkie:

I stand by what I said.

”They are saying that it is the only way to preserve the peace and unity of the country. The North would not accept a Southern President so soon after former President Olusegun Obasanjo and that the powerful elements in the region believe that the former President set up the North. They believe that Obasanjo knew that Yar‘Adua was too ill to complete his term, so he foisted him on the region so that power would return to the South.”

Also on Friday, sources told Saturday Punch that the Vice President had summoned an emergency meeting of Ijaw leaders to deliberate on what his response to the pressure should be. Leaders of the Ijaw National Congress, the umbrella body of the VP‘s Ijaw ethnic group in the Niger Delta, were said to have been invited for a closed door meeting with the VP to deliberate on the issue.

Meanwhile, the President of the Ijaw Monitoring Group, Mr. Joseph Evah, who acknowledged that Jonathan was under some form of pressure, has warned politicians not to frustrate Jonathan out of office.

He challenged those involved in the project to join Nigerians to pray for the health of the President who according to him, would survive the current health challenge.

He said that a group had claimed before that they might give Jonathan the treatment they gave to the acclaimed winner of the June 12, 1993 Presidential election, Chief Moshood Abiola or Chief Ernest Shonekan, who was compelled to hand over power to General Sani Abacha.

He warned that the people of the Niger Delta and the Nigerian people would not fold their arms to watch people perpetrate heinous illegality.

[size=14pt]Oath of Office of Vice-President, Deputy Governor, Minister, Commissioner or Special Adviser[/size]


[size=13pt]I, , do solemnly swear/affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the Federal Republic of Nigeria; that as Vice-President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria/Deputy Governor of , State/Minister of the Government of the Federation/Commissioner of the Government , State/Special Adviser to , , I will discharge my duties to the best of my ability, faithfully and in accordance with the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and the law, and always in the interest of the sovereignty, integrity, solidarity, well-being and prosperity of the Federal Republic of Nigeria; that I will strive to preserve the Fundamental Objectives and Directive Principles of State Policy contained in the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria; that I will not allow my personal interest to influence my official conduct or my official decisions, that I will to the best of my ability preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria; that I will abide by the Code of Conduct contained in the Fifth Schedule to the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria; that in all circumstances, I will do right to all manner of people, according to law, without fear or favour, affection or ill-will; that I will not directly or indirectly communicate or reveal to any person any matter which shall be brought under my consideration or shall become known to me as Vice-President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria/Deputy Governor of , State/Minister of the Government of the Federation/Commissioner of , State/Special Adviser to , except as may be required for the due discharge of my duties as Vice President/Deputy Governor of , State/Minister/Commissioner/Special Adviser. [/size]


So help me God.

Kobojunkie:

I stand by what I said.

SapeleGuy:

Before you take such an inflexible stand you need to fully understand the role of the VP (90% cosmetic), The Federal Executive Council (66% can force the President to have a medical) and both houses of assembly (who can impeach the president). To put things in context the VP can't sack any minister.

Kobojunkie:

Not certain if anyone has called on him to sack anyone. That is not ALL he could actually do as a Vice president. We sat through Atiku's time as VP and everyone heard him and saw him act, even against his own President.  By the way, Jonathan seems to stand hand in hand with Yar adua on so many things, it seems.

Beaf:

Atiku is from the "kingmaker" Hausa/Fulani, Jonathan is from a minority ethnic group.

Kobojunkie:

That excuse really makes sense to you?

Beaf:

Did I make it out as an excuse? It is the obvious.

What was the reason why you posted the oath?

SapeleGuy:

Kobojunkie - so Atiku is your model VP.
What did Atiku do except wrongly say that it was his turn. If Yaradua does not resign or is impeached then there is nothing Jonathan can do. Simple.

Kobojunkie:

I posted that so we can all be sure to understand that he did take an OATH To do all he can in the INTEREST of the PEOPLE, not for Yar Adua Or for Turai, or for some "imagined" cabal.