scipher:
Dude, you've been on this platform for a while now, and i'm not saying there's no crime in Nigeria.. the fact is it's low compared to SA (accurate stats or not)...The world knows that. Investors/tourists won't flood in like they're doing if it's so high in addition to our BH boys menace in the north... Before god and man, I witness robbery in PTA (again after 5 years) during my visit to SA (2011) can never forget that day.

scipher:
FACT:
SA - AFRIKAANS = SOMALIA

andrewza:

snydergp:

How the hell is it low because there's more than 18,800+ murders per 100000 in Nigeria 12% average in contrast to SA's 15,650 per 100000 of the population which gives SA a 33% rating which is only higher due to our smaller population.

South Africans don't deny that we have a crime problem we are working at it and the results are there for everyone to see the overall crime rate has decreased on average by 8% year on year eventhough certain crimes have remained stubbornly high I must admit.

Thus said even with our high crime rate why are we still one of the top five worlds best tourist destinations withg over 10 million people visiting SA last year and over 12 million the previous year, making SA by far the premier destination on the continent especially amongst africans FACT. The same cannot be said about Nigeria.

Tribal and religious conflicts virtually never takes on a violent nature in SA yet in Nigeria it can mean the wipe out of entire families in remote villages why can u please explain this backward phenomenon of ur country.

solomon111: keep deceiving yourself.
There is nothing SA has that Nigeria cannot get.
We don't need them as we are not under any direct threat from any part of Africa.
Besides,most military hardwares and stuff that countries like Egypt and Nigeria have are usually hidden,unlike SA that displays all to the world.

Msauza:

Has anyone seen Nigerian police vehicle? Oh! Damn one will laugh to death should one ever see any.

snydergp:

U only hide what u don't have and even if u do get hardware it take years to gain the necessary competence to operate efficiently. There's really not allot of hardware secrets in all militaries around the world, does the US hide the fact that they have F-35's and that they were grounded last week because of technical failures NO, or does Russia hide there development of a SU-30 fifth generation jet NO.

Either u have it or u don't.

souldust: photonews.sunmismartcole.com/2011/02/02/war-on-crime-governor-babatunde-fashola-donates-100-patrol-vehicles50-motorcycles-to-police/

go there and see pics of cars belonging to the Nigerian police. You can see motorcycles too. It is so unfortunate i cant post pics here. Ive been trying to do so but just cannot. Maybe some else can help me. I will continue to give links..

solomon111: Actually,countries are known to hide critical military hardwares and platforms from unnecessary exposure.
You mentioned russia and america.
We currently don't know the full strength of both nations.
Iran,pakistan,egypt,israel,N.korea,e.t.c. are nations that are very careful in exposing their military arsenal unnecessarily.
That is why no military website have been able to give a conclusive and accurate picture of the military strength of different nations.
Not every country is like SA.

Henry120: Nigerian use 4x4 pick up, toyota or ford ranger trucks, as primary police vehicles in nigeria. We also use 406 Peugeot sedans and innoson sedans. What is wrong with that? What is there 2 laugh about. You guys should be reasonable when making arguments.

Msauza:

Hello! We are not speaking of strength here, we are speaking about military hardware.

solomon111: what is wrong with the vehicles?
State governors are known to donate vehicles to the police in their various states to help the police do their work effectively.

snydergp:

SA also uses toyota and Ford ranger SUV's many of there policing duties, but sedans are mostly use because of there speed and reaction time in responding to criminal threats. I guess the reason why Nigeria use mostly trucks and SUV's is because of terrain and road conditions. What I feel is making a few of ur police look poorly equipped is them riding in the back of open trucks, which is something that would create a national debate and outcry in South Africa.

souldust: i was only replying msauza who thought people in here are the same illitrates in the townships.

But pls if you can, i want you to help me post pics of the vehicles and motorcycles the LASG donates to the RRS. You can post pics of gears too. I have been trying to do so but to no avail.

Henry120: Nigerian use 4x4 pick up, toyota or ford ranger trucks, as primary police vehicles in nigeria. We also use 406 Peugeot sedans and innoson sedans. What is wrong with that? What is there 2 laugh about. You guys should be reasonable when making arguments.

Msauza:

It is just that some of your police vehicle look funny and their printing on the sides is just not professional, look like somebody had just used his hand writing with an oil paint. That old Peugeot is still among the police inventory and is widely used in Nigeria. By the way, why are the police allowed to drive in with complaints cars when they come to lodge in complaints in police stations?

solomon111: Actually,countries are known to hide critical military hardwares and platforms from unnecessary exposure.
You mentioned russia and america.
We currently don't know the full strength of both nations.
Iran,pakistan,egypt,israel,N.korea,e.t.c. are nations that are very careful in exposing their military arsenal unnecessarily.
That is why no military website have been able to give a conclusive and accurate picture of the military strength of different nations.
Not every country is like SA.

solomon111: what are you even saying?
Is it not how sophisticated your military hardware is, that will determine your military strength?
Can america be call a strong military nation without its nuclear warheads, stealth fighters,submarines,e.t.c.?
It is the military hardwares that differentiate a weak military from a strong one.

solomon111: I am currently browsing with my phone,so i can't upload pictures.
But i promise to do so later.

snydergp:

You answered yourself, now can you honestly say that because Nigeria don't display there hardware or don't have it nor the expertise to operate them currently can you claim that Nigeria has the best systems in africa.

Now on the lack of these hardware u wrote about can u state to us where u rate Nigeria in an African context.

snydergp:

Most of the weapons systems u see were taken on open days where the military holds public awareness campaigns to attract youth, or from analyst and SA arms manufactures who display for marketing purposes.

I think you've been reading to much conspiracy theories. Hardware is very hard to hide and most nations use it as an deterrent to future threats.

-Warships
-Tanks
-Aircrafts
-Submarines
-Missile launching Bases
-Missile systems
-SAM's

All of these are very hard to hide no matter how hard u try. Most military secrets are only capt in secret when they are sensitive or in development stages with regards to weapons systems, this is the norm not only in goverment supported military companies but also for privatly owned. EWC equipment is the things you can truly hide today.


In the african context there's really not allot to hide because most african nations don't have competitive indigenous weapons development industries, and most of there hardware are second hand old and obsolete weapons from big powers even Nigeria has its fair share of these hand me down systems.

Like I said u only hide which u don't have.

souldust: i was only replying msauza who thought people in here are the same illitrates in the townships.

But pls if you can, i want you to help me post pics of the vehicles and motorcycles the LASG donates to the RRS. You can post pics of gears too. I have been trying to do so but to no avail.

Msauza:

It is just that some of your police vehicle look funny and their printing on the sides is just not professional, look like somebody had just used his hand writing with an oil paint. That old Peugeot is still among the police inventory and is widely used in Nigeria. By the way, why are the police allowed to drive in with complaints cars when they come to lodge in complaints in police stations?

snydergp:

Without oil where would nigeria be.

Nigeria=Ethiopia( without oil)

SA has more known mineral deposits than any other country on this continent only DRC can compete on that front, now compare that to Nigeria with only oil as its biggest foreign exchange earner.

SA is the worlds 7th largest car exporter and manufacturer can that be said about Nigeria are they even exporting a mere 10000 cars and components annually.

snydergp:

How the hell is it low because there's more than 18,800+ murders per 100000 in Nigeria 12% average in contrast to SA's 15,650 per 100000 of the population which gives SA a 33% rating which is only higher due to our smaller population.

South Africans don't deny that we have a crime problem we are working at it and the results are there for everyone to see the overall crime rate has decreased on average by 8% year on year eventhough certain crimes have remained stubbornly high I must admit.

Thus said even with our high crime rate why are we still one of the top five worlds best tourist destinations withg over 10 million people visiting SA last year and over 12 million the previous year, making SA by far the premier destination on the continent especially amongst africans FACT. The same cannot be said about Nigeria.

Tribal and religious conflicts virtually never takes on a violent nature in SA yet in Nigeria it can mean the wipe out of entire families in remote villages why can u please explain this backward phenomenon of ur country.

souldust: photonews.sunmismartcole.com/2011/02/02/war-on-crime-governor-babatunde-fashola-donates-100-patrol-vehicles50-motorcycles-to-police/

go there and see pics of cars belonging to the Nigerian police. You can see motorcycles too. It is so unfortunate i cant post pics here. Ive been trying to do so but just cannot. Maybe some else can help me. I will continue to give links..

solomon111: I never said Nigeria is the best in Africa.
I would rate us fourth.
Egypt,Ethiopia,south-africa,Nigeria,though an investment of $1billion in the Navy and the airforce military hardwares(which is where we are relatively weak) should see us compete favourably with Ethiopia and southafrica.
All military platforms in Nigeria can be operated by Nigerians,as we make it part of the deal when buying military hardwares.
We don't buy hardwares without the training of Nigerians by the sellers.