.

Msauza: @Agaugust- Nigeria has never even tried anything nor even to copy design of any plane

nigerian air beetle trainer aircraft built in nigeria.

http://malaysiaflyingherald./2013/01/23/made-in-nigeria-trainer-and-uav/

air beetle is the first...photo below

[img]http://malaysiaflyingherald.files./2013/01/naf-076rv-6aairbeetle.jpg[/img]



AFIT-FARAWA aircraft is the next coming made in nigeria aircraft, no photo yet, it is code-named and secret for now.


He added, "The pilots are making significant progress in their training and they now conduct some of their training flights with the NAF AMEBO 11 in preparation for the test flight of the AMEBO 111 and its subsequent series. The institute is also currently working on a project on the development of an indigenous primary trainer aircraft code-named AFIT FARAWA"

http://allafrica.com/stories/201307231128.html
.

agaugust:


same way south africa used that same G6 howitzer to crush the entire Cuban army in Angolan bush war by rushing to the peace negotiation table to beg Cuba for settlement ?

i feel like exiting this thread of fools

The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and
have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed
on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented
the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy,
including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the
G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during
the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological
booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst
others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at
Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by
the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation
Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive
against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo.
The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale
and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue
and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large
logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about
18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was
broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy
in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban
and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within
one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and
the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG
jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs
were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random
in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air
situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation
was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to
those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the
artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making
observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by
UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush
fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air.
During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5
projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations
launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a
counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation
Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During
this
period two G5 batteries were employed,
playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the
HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great
effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the
opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this
way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were
good
that the tank concerned would be disabled.
The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took
place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.
(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible
owing
to its long range and the convenient top
traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was
not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was
also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage
owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as
the
prime target. One of the factors causing the
MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration
of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as
even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels
but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the
field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to
be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor.
The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in
the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the
inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were
destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June
1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in
December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the
rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as
the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to
be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles" Show any account,where the cuban
Wiped out an entire battalion.

Fighter Pilot:

You know what I am such a busy buddy. I cannot do everything for you everytime as if you are a high school student, because sometimes is necessary to vibrate your brain cells by just using a google search icon. Spoon feeding is not a way, anyway wikipedia is your friend.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Cheetah

I hope you will find it user friendly and discover that Cheetah C was, infact the only model of Cheetahs that was not build from Mirage airframe. This is what we have been taught ever since we joined the Airforce.

Does it hurt you to find out that actually Cheetah C is the only model that was not build from Mirage airframe.

hahaha i knew that if you quote the source you will s.hoot yourself in the foot

see what your own source says in the paragraph titled DEVELOPMENT...

QUOTE :

"Most leading aviation publications believe that Israel Aircraft Industries was involved in at least the initial stages of the upgrade, and that some of the upgrades components were sourced from Israel, though the SAAF refuses to either confirm or deny such speculation. However, considering the close ties in defence industry research between South Africa and Israel at the time, such co-operation on the Cheetah program seems likely. Sixteen of the SAAF's 27 Mirage IIIDZ/D2Z aircraft were converted to Cheetah D standard, 16 of its Mirage IIIEZ aircraft were converted to Cheetah E standard, but no South African Mirage airframes were used for the 38 Cheetah Cs."

SOURCE :

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Cheetah


Israel was the one that built the Cheetah Jet upgrades for south africa and was hiding the information due to the apartheid stigma.

Cheetah Jets are actually Israeli products and brainwork in a south african camouflage. south africa built no jets

the longer this thread goes on, the deeper our nigerian microscope goes into south africa's tiny s_hit h_ole


.

.

agaugust: .



nigerian air beetle trainer aircraft built in nigeria.

http://malaysiaflyingherald./2013/01/23/made-in-nigeria-trainer-and-uav/

air beetle is the first...photo below

[img]http://malaysiaflyingherald.files./2013/01/naf-076rv-6aairbeetle.jpg[/img]



AFIT-FARAWA aircraft is the next coming made in nigeria aircraft, no photo yet, it is code-named and secret for now.


He added, "The pilots are making significant progress in their training and they now conduct some of their training flights with the NAF AMEBO 11 in preparation for the test flight of the AMEBO 111 and its subsequent series. The institute is also currently working on a project on the development of an indigenous primary trainer aircraft code-named AFIT FARAWA"

http://allafrica.com/stories/201307231128.html
.

Local assembled!!!!!!!!!

agaugust: .



nigerian air beetle trainer aircraft built in nigeria.

http://malaysiaflyingherald./2013/01/23/made-in-nigeria-trainer-and-uav/

air beetle is the first...photo below

[img]http://malaysiaflyingherald.files./2013/01/naf-076rv-6aairbeetle.jpg[/img]



AFIT-FARAWA aircraft is the next coming made in nigeria aircraft, no photo yet, it is code-named and secret for now.


He added, "The pilots are making significant progress in their training and they now conduct some of their training flights with the NAF AMEBO 11 in preparation for the test flight of the AMEBO 111 and its subsequent series. The institute is also currently working on a project on the development of an indigenous primary trainer aircraft code-named AFIT FARAWA"

http://allafrica.com/stories/201307231128.html
.

Your beettle was assembled in Naai-geria, idi0t.

You didn't even have the smarts to check the link that you gave to us when you spoke about the air beetle?

snydergp:


Reading through all your ish its tragic you sitting idle in Hillbrow, my dear Naijapikingidi "all4naija" refugee who claimed on a other forum topic he would never sat foot on SA soil.

Can you please tell me if your village in Kanu state received power or are your Aso Rock dwellers still seeking the light

Foolishness is the mainstay of your type. You confuse two (2) different entities because your blockhead CraigB is your mentor? I am NaijaPikinGidi!! All4Naija and NaijaPikinGidi are two differnt individuals. Except you want to recall All4Naija who bade the thread goodbye long ago! As for me NaijaPikinGidi ... I full ground gidigbam!! Die if you want!

On a lesser note, I am still wondering what your fascination is with this so called Hillbrow, or ... did your parents also Will your Hillbrow inheritance to another foreigner? Your comment makes zero sense! 33% must be too high a standard for your weak brain to attain!

agaugust:


same way south africa used that same G6 howitzer to crush the entire Cuban army in Angolan bush war by rushing to the peace negotiation table to beg Cuba for settlement ?

i feel like exiting this thread of fools

Show me how will Nigeria "neutralise" or destroy the G6 and G5 guns. Nigeria doesn't have the air power to destroy SA ground forces. Your Rolands will be taken out QUICK like the sam-8 in the bush war.

Mike..ZA:
I have proven to you that the G5,G6,T5 and G7 can take out your anti craft system on the ground,from distances ranging from 30km to 70km. Now prove to me how your armed forces,can destroy such systems with your "limited air capabilities".

are you a soldier, policeman, anti-poaching ranger, or total civilian ?

human eye limit of sight is about 3km, with binoculars aid about 12km. so from 30km to 70km away how do you target the enemy nigerian anti-aircraft weapons and know exactly where they are ? you came late to this thread so dont waste my time, let me show you how enemy weapons are hidden in bushes/camouflagues/behind buildings away from your eyes 30km to 70km away...fool

NaijaPikinGidi:

Foolishness is the mainstay of your type. You confuse two (2) different entities because your blockhead CraigB is your mentor? I am NaijaPikinGidi!! All4Naija and NaijaPikinGidi are two differnt individuals. Except you want to recall All4Naija who bade the thread goodbye long ago! As for me NaijaPikinGidi ... I full ground gidigbam!! Die if you want!

On a lesser note, I am still wondering what your fascination is with this so called Hillbrow, or ... did your parents also Will your inheritance to another foreigner? Your comment makes zero sense! 33% must be too high a standard for your weak brain to attain!

The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and
have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed
on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented
the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy,
including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the
G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during
the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological
booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst
others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at
Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by
the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation
Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive
against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo.
The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale
and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue
and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large
logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about
18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was
broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy
in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban
and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within
one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and
the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG
jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs
were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random
in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air
situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation
was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to
those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the
artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making
observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by
UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush
fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air.
During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5
projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations
launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a
counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation
Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During
this
period two G5 batteries were employed,
playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the
HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great
effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the
opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this
way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were
good
that the tank concerned would be disabled.
The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took
place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.
(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible
owing
to its long range and the convenient top
traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was
not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was
also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage
owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as
the
prime target. One of the factors causing the
MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration
of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as
even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels
but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the
field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to
be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor.
The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in
the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the
inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were
destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June
1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in
December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the
rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as
the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to
be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles

"Mr Seleka Agaugust" is a bush researcher.

All4Naai-ja and Naai-jaPigooon are one and the same.

We all know that.

agaugust:

are you a soldier, policeman, anti-poaching ranger, or total civilian ?

human eye limit of sight is about 3km, with binoculars aid about 12km. so from 30km to 70km away how do you target the enemy nigerian anti-aircraft weapons and know exactly where they are ? you came late to this thread so dont waste my time, let me show you how enemy weapons are hidden in bushes/camouflagues/behind buildings away from your eyes 30km to 70km away...fool

Post-war followed Project Klooster, a new target
acquisition and fire control system that built on
the lessons learnt in Angola and Namibia -
"especially the problem of observation and target
fixation," Wilsworth adds. The Artillery Target
Engagement System (ATES) that resulted and is
only now coming into service includes:
the Basic Artillery Observation System (man
portable observation post equipment),
the Enhanced Artillery Observation System (Ratel
mounted sensors for day and night observation
etc),
the Gun Muzzle velocity analyzer for G5 and 6,
the Vulture Unmanned Air Vehicle Observation
System,
fire control computers,
artillery command computers,
digital communications for the artillery, and
and the S700 meteorological system.

agaugust:

are you a soldier, policeman, anti-poaching ranger, or total civilian ?

human eye limit of sight is about 3km, with binoculars aid about 12km. so from 30km to 70km away how do you target the enemy nigerian anti-aircraft weapons and know exactly where they are ? you came late to this thread so dont waste my time, let me show you how enemy weapons are hidden in bushes/camouflagues/behind buildings away from your eyes 30km to 70km away...fool

Post-war followed Project Klooster, a new target
acquisition and fire control system that built on
the lessons learnt in Angola and Namibia -
"especially the problem of observation and target
fixation," Wilsworth adds. The Artillery Target
Engagement System (ATES) that resulted and is
only now coming into service includes:
the Basic Artillery Observation System (man
portable observation post equipment),
the Enhanced Artillery Observation System (Ratel
mounted sensors for day and night observation
etc),
the Gun Muzzle velocity analyzer for G5 and 6,
the Vulture Unmanned Air Vehicle Observation
System,
fire control computers,
artillery command computers,
digital communications for the artillery, and
and the S700 meteorological system.

CraigB:

Your beettle was assembled in Naai-geria, idi0t.

You didn't even have the smarts to check the link that you gave to us when you spoke about the air beetle?

fool. i have read that link many times and used it many times on this thread. show me where i said it was not assembled but manufactured in nigeria, the word built is not the same as manufacture. when you put concrete or cement blocks together after buying them from the brick maker, the world says you have built a house....which you actually assembled.

you need more of your mama's milk sucking to grow better brain cells

i dont want to keep talking to you, you just waste my time, i never gained anything from your posts.

agaugust:


hahaha i knew that if you quote the source you will s.hoot yourself in the foot

see what your own source says in the paragraph titled DEVELOPMENT...

QUOTE :

"Most leading aviation publications believe that Israel Aircraft Industries was involved in at least the initial stages of the upgrade, and that some of the upgrades components were sourced from Israel, though the SAAF refuses to either confirm or deny such speculation. However, considering the close ties in defence industry research between South Africa and Israel at the time, such co-operation on the Cheetah program seems likely. Sixteen of the SAAF's 27 Mirage IIIDZ/D2Z aircraft were converted to Cheetah D standard, 16 of its Mirage IIIEZ aircraft were converted to Cheetah E standard, but no South African Mirage airframes were used for the 38 Cheetah Cs."

SOURCE :

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Cheetah


Israel was the one that built the Cheetah Jet upgrades for south africa and was hiding the information due to the apartheid stigma.

Cheetah Jets are actually Israeli products and brainwork in a south african camouflage. south africa built no jets

the longer this thread goes on, the deeper our nigerian microscope goes into south africa's tiny s_hit h_ole


.

.

Wrong!! South African technicians always mustered the technology behind the Mirage. During the bush war many were hit by Cubans Russians MiGs and were brought back to life by South African technicians. Denel Aviation serviced those planes themselves throughout their tenure in SA Airforce. Israel technicians were only used to combine the newly upgraded mirage with the technology of their plane to make it more powerful. In other words the cheetah used combination of technology from French and Israel plane.

agaugust:

are you a soldier, policeman, anti-poaching ranger, or total civilian ?

human eye limit of sight is about 3km, with binoculars aid about 12km. so from 30km to 70km away how do you target the enemy nigerian anti-aircraft weapons and know exactly where they are ? you came late to this thread so dont waste my time, let me show you how enemy weapons are hidden in bushes/camouflagues/behind buildings away from your eyes 30km to 70km away...fool

The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and
have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed
on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented
the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy,
including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the
G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during
the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological
booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst
others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at
Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by
the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation
Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive
against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo.
The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale
and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue
and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large
logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about
18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was
broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy
in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban
and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within
one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and
the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG
jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs
were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random
in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air
situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation
was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to
those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the
artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making
observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by
UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush
fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air.
During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5
projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations
launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a
counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation
Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During
this
period two G5 batteries were employed,
playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the
HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great
effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the
opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this
way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were
good
that the tank concerned would be disabled.
The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took
place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.
(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible
owing
to its long range and the convenient top
traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was
not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was
also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage
owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as
the
prime target. One of the factors causing the
MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration
of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as
even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels
but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the
field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to
be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor.
The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in
the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the
inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were
destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June
1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in
December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the
rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as
the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to
be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles

No pastor or imam can intercede on CrayFish's behalf! Enjoy your idiocy by yourself!!

agaugust:

are you a soldier, policeman, anti-poaching ranger, or total civilian ?

human eye limit of sight is about 3km, with binoculars aid about 12km. so from 30km to 70km away how do you target the enemy nigerian anti-aircraft weapons and know exactly where they are ? you came late to this thread so dont waste my time, let me show you how enemy weapons are hidden in bushes/camouflagues/behind buildings away from your eyes 30km to 70km away...fool

The British Challenger Main battle tank holds the record for destroy an Iraqi tank 5km away. Unless Nigerian doesn't have the technology to design target sites,but 5,5km is the maximum distance in the battlefield. That's why the South African Ingwe missile has 5,5km range.

Mike..ZA:

Post-war followed Project Klooster, a new target
acquisition and fire control system that built on
the lessons learnt in Angola and Namibia -
"especially the problem of observation and target
fixation," Wilsworth adds. The Artillery Target
Engagement System (ATES) that resulted and is
only now coming into service includes:
the Basic Artillery Observation System (man
portable observation post equipment),
the Enhanced Artillery Observation System (Ratel
mounted sensors for day and night observation
etc),
the Gun Muzzle velocity analyzer for G5 and 6,
the Vulture Unmanned Air Vehicle Observation
System,
fire control computers,
artillery command computers,
digital communications for the artillery, and
and the S700 meteorological system.

show us how that will make you see enemy weapons hidding behind 5 storey buildings 50km away.

your targeting device turns around street corners in a city 30km to 70km far away ? like a twisting snake ? even a targeting radar cannot do that.

show us how it will see enemy weapons in a cleared 12 feet spot in a thick jungle like congo DRC 50km away.

your artillery targeting device has become a spiritual flying demon that moves like lightning and sees through obstacles and thick jungle ? there are too many of your type in south africa, fool, mugu

i wont reply your foolish posts again because you dont know what a battlefield is in reality



.

agaugust:

fool. i have read that link many times and used it many times on this thread. show me where i said it was not assembled but manufactured in nigeria, the word built is not the same as manufacture. when you put concrete or cement blocks together after buying them from the brick maker, the world says you have built a house....which you actually assembled.

you need more of your mama's milk sucking to grow better brain cells

i dont want to keep talking to you, you just waste my time, i never gained anything from your posts.

What a monkey. As if I want to talk to you.

I will respond to any post I want to respond t. You don't have to respond.

Is this not you below?

Is "built" not the same as "manufacture"?

Please ask your wife to marry someone else. You don't deserve her.

You're a baboon.

agaugust: .



nigerian air beetle trainer aircraft built in nigeria.


.

agaugust:

we have argued this joke called a south african warplane with @snydergp early this year and he had to s.hut his mouth

foolish boy, is that a jet fighter ? a propeller toy reconnaissance aircraft with a few weapons for attacking Rhino poachers

the plastic south african 'warplane' has ancient world war II style propeller engine fan, not a jet engine

even seleka will shoot it down with anti-aircraft guns or shoulder held MANPAD weapon

the toy warplane has speed of a snail or tortoise, 504km/hr, which modern army is this toy going to attack in year 2013 ?

seems only one or two units of this toy exist, all we see here are 3D animated cartoon images of it

the thing is more of a drone with a pilot in it, ready to d.ie from enemy anti-aircraft guns in his plastic coffin/casket 'warplane'

nigerian F-7 jet flying at 1,500km/hr vs south african toy aircraft flying at 500km/hr , what a comedy show

[size=14pt]nigeria built something like that almost 30 years ago, called air beetle

[/size]http://malaysiaflyingherald./2013/01/23/made-in-nigeria-trainer-and-uav/

details of south african plastic toy 'warplane' below...even nigerian alpha jets will use this south african plastic box for shooting practice

QUOTE :

"
The Ahrlac is intended to compete with unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in the marketplace; Paramount claims that the aircraft will be cheaper to acquire and operate than UAVs on account of it not requiring the expensive subsystems required for remote control of unmanned aircraft. It is optimised for the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISTAR) and counter-insurgency missions; coastal patrol, anti-smuggling and disaster relief capabilities are also projected for the type"


SOURCE :


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_High_Performance_Reconnaissance_Light_Aircraft

foolish little @CrazeB , go suck mama's b_reas_t milk before school reopens in september

.

Here under is the American plane which was used by Israel to integrate its technology to South Africas upgraded Cheetah to fight Cuban MiG-23:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Kfir

Mike..ZA:
The British Challenger Main battle tank holds the record for destroy an Iraqi tank 5km away. Unless Nigerian doesn't have the technology to design target sites,but 5,5km is the maximum distance in the battlefield. That's why the South African Ingwe missile has 5,5km range.

good you have now admitted that about 5.5km is a realistic land battlefield distance, not the wasted 70km range of south african G6 artillery that 99% of world armies have decided to ignore and not buy. say thank you to me for opening your blind eyes

by the way, that was desert war you used as example in Iraq 5.5km possible.

now how does that 5.5km range work in a jungle warfare zone ? see photo below




also how does a 5.5km range work in urban city warfare zone where ordinary rebels d.estroy army tanks of super powers like Russia. watch Syrian army vs rebels below in video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhCdXDGCEFM

Fighter Pilot: Here under is the American plane which was used by Israel to integrate its technology to South Africas upgraded Cheetah to fight Cuban MiG-23:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Kfir

i have known that information over ten years ago. do you want me to lecture you on that topic ?

do you know israeli Lavi jet fighter ?

goodnight my small boy toy soldier

CraigB:

What a monkey. As if I want to talk to you.

I will respond to any post I want to respond t. You don't have to respond.

Is this not you below?

Is "built" not the same as "manufacture"?

You're a baboon.

build

Verb

Meaning

Construct (something, typically something large) by putting parts or material together over a period of time.

Synonyms of build
verb. construct - erect - make - raise - rear - found
noun. frame - structure - figure - construction - constitution

source : https://www.google.ca/search?q=build+meaning&oq=build+mea&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3j69i62l2.7993j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

so between you and i, who is the 33% brain Baboon now ? ;

.

A link for the usual scavengers!! Feed to your hearts delight!!

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/presidency-emergency-rule-has-restored-normalcy-in-borno-adamawa-yobe/155726/

Mike..ZA:
The G5 and the G6 have been used
primarily in battlefield interdiction roles and
have
been very accurate due to coinputerised firing
calculations. Artillery observers were deployed
on
the front line and targets which presented
themselves were exploited immediately. When
the Cubans wanted to launch an air strike from
the Angolan airfield at Cuito Cuanavale, artillery
observers on one occasion called for G6 fire
support and destroyed four Russian MiG 21 jet
fighters as they taxied for take off.(46)
The G5 shelled the runways and associated
infrastructure of the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale
over a long period of time and this prevented
the
enemy fighters from taking off to participate
against South African forces. The G5 played a
primary role in destroying the enemy,
including
aircraft and tanks. The fact remains that the
G5
played a critical role during this campaign and
without it the war in Angola would have run a
different course. The G5 proved to be the
backbone of the South African forces during
the
conflict. The G5 was a great psychological
booster
for the members of the SADF operating on the
ground. The role that the G5 fulfilled should
therefore not be underestimated under any
circumstances.(47) Before being operationally
employed the G6 was evaluated, amongst
others,
during Exercise Zenula in May 1986 at
Omuthiya,
the base camp of 61 Mechanised Battalion. The
G5 was used operationally for the first time by
the
SADF on 9 August 1986 during Operation
Alpha
Centauri. This operation lasted until 16 August
1986. One battery of G5s (a battery consists of
eight guns) was employed in conjunction with
one battery of multiple rocket launchers (MRL).
The operation was an artillery attack against
Cuban and FAPLA formations concentrating in
Cuito Cuanavale for their 1986 offensive
against
UNITA. The 25th Cuban-FAPLA Brigade was
situated east of Cuito Cuanavale near Tumpo.
The
13th Brigade was situated in Cuito Cuanavale
and
the 8th Brigade operated between Menongue
and
Cuito Cuanavale, the former being a large
logistics
depot. Convoys regularly travelled from
Menongue to supply Cuito Cuanavale.(48)
The G5 assault began at last light, about
18:00.
By 23:00 the back of the opposition was
broken.
Heavy fire was brought down upon the enemy
in
the first five hours resulting in large scale
destruction. This destroyed the 1986 Cuban
and
FAPLA offensive against UNITA and showed the
tremendous destructive force that lay within
one
battery of G5s. Owing to the long range and
the
accuracy with which the G5 could fire and the
effect of the ammunition, authority was forced
upon the enemy.
As a result of the daylight activities of the MiG
jet
fighters employed by the enemy, artillery fire
missions could only be executed at night. As it
was the first time that the G5 was used
operationally there was great cause for concern
that the MiGs would spot the G5s. The MiGs
were
continuously in the air trying to locate the G5s
and bombed the surrounding area at random
in
the hope of hitting the artillery.(49)
This operation proved to the SADF that survival
was possible despite an unfavourable air
situation.
As a result of the enemy's air superiority, great
attention was given to passive defensive
measures such as camouflage, track discipline
and the concealment of movement. Special
techniques of concealment were practised
beforehand which prevented the enemy from
observing the artillery. Before the operation
was
undertaken these techniques of concealment
were also tested under conditions similar to
those
that the artillery would experience during the
operation. Another factor in favour of the
artillery
was the unprofessional manner in which the
enemy employed its air force. The MiG fighters
flew at a very high altitudes, making
observation
very difficult for the pilots. The apparent reason
for this was to avoid being shot down by
UNITA's
Stinger missiles. In addition, the many bush
fires
in the area, owing to the dryness of the season,
created a lot of dust and smoke in the air.
During
this operation approximately 2 500 MRL
projectiles and approximately 4 500 G5
projectiles
were used.(50)
During 1987 Cuban and FAPLA forces were
concentrated in the east of Angola known to
them as 5th Military District. Operations
launched
by them were aimed at destroying UNJTA,
including their main base at Jamba. As a
counter-
measure, the SADF undertook Operation
Modular
in aid of UNITA which lasted from 1 July to 15
December 1987. This was followed up by
Operation Hooper and culminated in Operation
Packer which ended in March 1988. During
this
period two G5 batteries were employed,
playing a
prominent role in destroying enemy forces.
During these operations it was found that the
HE
projectiles of the G5 could be used to great
effect
against the T-55 tanks employed by the
opposing
force. Between 20 and 30 tanks were in this
way
put out of action by the G5s. It was also found
that when an HE projectile hit the ground and
detonated 15 in from a tank, chances were
good
that the tank concerned would be disabled.
The
enemy had no tactical equipment that could
withstand the 155 mm shell of the G5. After
Operation Packer, a further operation took
place
in south eastern Angola. This was Operation
Displace during which the G5 was also used.
(51)
The artillery found that the G5 was flexible
owing
to its long range and the convenient top
traverse
of the barrel for the arc of fire. When the top
traverse was impeded by trees, the gun crews
would use, amongst others, chain saws and
explosives to remove the trees, but this was
not
done to the detriment of camouflage. It was
also
found that the G5 gave tactical advantage
owing
to its mobility. During the above-mentioned
operations, the MiGs again took to speculative
bombing of the area in the hope of flushing out
the G5s. As in 1986 the G5s were regarded as
the
prime target. One of the factors causing the
MiGs
to be unsuccessful was the discipline shown by
the SA troops in adhering to passive defensive
measures. As a result of the prolonged duration
of
these operations, gun unservicibility started
becoming more of a problem. This resulted in
greater logistical problems for the SADF as
even
large components such as barrels had to be
replaced in the field. Special hoisting apparatus
and tools were needed to replace the barrels
but
in spite of this no great problems were
experienced in changing the barrels in the
field.
This experience proved that the G5 was
technically maintainable in the field.(52)
Under the prevailing, difficult cross-country
conditions the auxiliary power unit proved to
be
of tremendous assistance to the gun tractor.
The
gun tractor and the G5 formed a long train in
the
bush and the trees and thick undergrowth
stripped certain equipment off the G5 when it
turned. The bush-breaking also caused some
damage to the gun tractor as well as to the G5
and certain modifications were therefore made,
eg the battery box which was situated on the
outside of the trails is now situated on the
inside
of the trails.(53) Some of these modifications
were not introduced on G5s which were
destined
for the international market owing to the
difference in terrain.(54) The last operational
deployment of the G5 in Angola was during
Operation Prone near Tchipa, during June
1988.
(55)
The G6 made its operational debut in
December
1987 during Operation Modular. The mobility of
the G6 in dense bush proved to be highly
successful. The greatest cause for concern was
whether the tyres would stand up to the
rugged
conditions, especially while breaking the bush.
Fortunately there was no cause for concern as
the
tyres gave very few problems. They proved to
be
very robust and survived very well during
Operation Modular and were found to be more
robust than those of most other operational
vehicles

omo the your copy and paste brain na big problem o

agaugust:

build

Verb

Meaning

Construct (something, typically something large) by putting parts or material together over a period of time.

Synonyms of build
verb. construct - erect - make - raise - rear - found
noun. frame - structure - figure - construction - constitution

source : https://www.google.ca/search?q=build+meaning&oq=build+mea&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3j69i62l2.7993j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

so between you and i, who is the 33% brain Baboon now ? ;

.

Context, you uneducated Northerner.

33% of what, anyway?

We told you about a plane built in South Africa. You proudly said that Naai-geria build something similar. Unless, you're more of an idi0t than originally thought, the context shows what meaning you attached to the usage of the word.

Not that it matters now, anyway. We then agree that Naai-geria cannot match South Africa because you've only assembled stuff, while we have manufactured stuff. You admit that the ahrlac plane that you mock, you haven't even been able to manufacture anything like it.

Thank you, sub-human.

You're an imbec1le even on your best day.

agaugust:

i have known that information over ten years ago. do you want me to lecture you on that topic ?

do you know israeli Lavi jet fighter ?

goodnight my small boy toy soldier

Your brain is to small to lecture me. So, I hope you will understand the contribution of Israel technicians on Cheetah project that they were to intergrate the technology of Kfir to an already built Cheetah, since Kafir was renown for its dogfight advantage over Russians MiGs. However, The fact is Cheetah C was built by South Africans from scratch without any mirage airframe. Believe it or not and in that case I won't need to be lectured by least of all Nigerians whose education does not even have value.

agaugust:

show us how that will make you see enemy weapons hidding behind 5 storey buildings 50km away.

your targeting device turns around street corners in a city 30km to 70km far away ? like a twisting snake ? even a targeting radar cannot do that.

show us how it will see enemy weapons in a cleared 12 feet spot in a thick jungle like congo DRC 50km away.

your artillery targeting device has become a spiritual flying demon that moves like lightning and sees through obstacles and thick jungle ? there are too many of your type in south africa, fool, mugu

i wont reply your foolish posts again because you dont know what a battlefield is in reality



.

The end is closer. In buildings(cities),the recces are highly trained in urban warfare meaning artillery can be called on building housing or sections housing the enemy. Or the Vulture drone can be used.

agaugust:

good you have now admitted that about 5.5km is a realistic land battlefield distance, not the wasted 70km range of south african G6 artillery that 99% of world armies have decided to ignore and not buy. say thank you to me for opening your blind eyes

by the way, that was desert war you used as example in Iraq 5.5km possible.

now how does that 5.5km range work in a jungle warfare zone ? see photo below




also how does a 5.5km range work in urban city warfare zone where ordinary rebels d.estroy army tanks of super powers like Russia. watch Syrian army vs rebels below in video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhCdXDGCEFM

That 5,5km is for tanks and armoured vehicles. Which don't have "forward targeting systems"" like drones,special forces and helicopter. The 5,5km is maximum distance a tank or other armoured fighting vehicles can engage each other. But if a country's communication systems are advanced missiles like the mokopa of SA with a range of 10km can used.

blackchris:

omo the your copy and paste brain na big problem o

Nigerians are sub species of humans,pure monkeys!!!!!!!!!!. When we(south Africans) tell you something you ask for sources and links. When we put links,pastes and "sources". You(Nigerians) say something meaningless like "omo the your copy and paste brain na big". In South Africa "Omo" is a washing powder. I challenged you monkeys to prove how will your ground forces destroy the G5 and G6 guns,which can take out your Rolands in from 40km to 50km away. Like the sam-8 during the bush war.

Msauza: @Blackchris- you are just claiming by making such uniformed statements that your country has more transporter plane than South Africa. It was surely not our soldiers who were left stranded to die in Sudan after their six months tour expired, only because you never had transporter planes to airlift them back to Nigeria when other countries chartered planes to return their troops back home. Nigerian troops had to wait for UN to charter plane for them in order to be airlifted back home:

Read below how your troops died in Sudan out of frustration only because your country never had transporter plane to return them back home.

http://pointblanknews.com/pbn/exclusive/nigerian-soldiers-threaten-to-go-on-rampage-in-sudan-two-dies/

For your information, South Africa has more C-130s than Nigeria and both countries have Boeing 737s. Infact none of Nigerias C-130s is in service.

I take it you are just been ignorant. Even @ Andrewza knows that when it comes to airlift assets Nigeria has more than SA. From C-130 variants to Boeing to G222s, we've proven it in previous pages and nobody disputed.

Mike..ZA:
Nigerians are sub species of humans,pure monkeys!!!!!!!!!!. When we(south Africans) tell you something you ask for sources and links. When we put links,pastes and "sources". You(Nigerians) say something meaningless like "omo the your copy and paste brain na big". In South Africa "Omo" is a washing powder. I challenged you monkeys to prove how will your ground forces destroy the G5 and G6 guns,which can take out your Rolands in from 40km to 50km away. Like the sam-8 during the bush war.

This boy cracks me up with laughter! Only South Africa/ns!! Omo I go take omo wash your brain for you o!!