giles14: south african ar big fools and u guys ar too dull,dont for get u suffered defeat in d hand of C.A.R rebel,32 troop gunned down in 1minute

Where do you get 32 now?

Msauza:

Where do you get 32 now?

We killed 36 SA troops, CAR rebels say
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/We-killed-36-SA-troops-CAR-rebels-say-20130405

so it's your words against theirs. and frankly speaking, the world doesn't believe yours

blackchris:

We killed 36 SA troops, CAR rebels say
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/We-killed-36-SA-troops-CAR-rebels-say-20130405

so it's your words against theirs. and frankly speaking, the world doesn't believe yours

Bwahahahahaha!! You believe him of all the people. Our government has revealed the names of soldiers killed in CAR on their gazette and their funeral was even shown on international television for all to see. Thirteen soldiers were buried on that day before their families. Two more soldiers died weeks after the burial of their colleagues due to the injuries sustained and adding the number to fifteen(15). South Africa lost 15 soldiers in CAR. Are you just holding on to this just to console youself or were you just trying your luck to test me if I am informed or not. Sorry! You misfired.

blackchris:

DESPERADO

so wikipedia is now your most reliable source of information abi.. am beginning to understand the source of your ignorance.

NAF has more than 15000 personnel, 8 military transport plane(four operational while the remaining will finish upgrade before next year). so your source of info in highly inaccurate.

i don't know why you people like to live in denial. your generals have said it themselves that your military is dead. so who are you to challenge their statements?

almost all your helics and jets are grounded due to lack of maintenance, you transport plane... your 60 years old transport planes have been grounded for months. so why the lies?

Not one of the SA Air Force’s (SAAF) 18 Agusta A109 helicopters is currently flying because there are no funds to use them operationally, the Afrikaans daily Beeld reports.

Along with the mothballing of 12 Gripen fighters as well as the under-utilisation of the remaining 14, this means a second aircraft type obtained as part of the Strategic Defence Acquisition Package are not being used, according to the paper’s specialist defence writer Erika Gibson.

“The Air Force, as with the entire SANDF is suffering as a result of government’s inability to decide what it wants from its military.

“An air force without fighters is a dead duck in the African military context. A defence force without helicopters and transport aircraft is a dinosaur in a swamp. An army without attack and transport helicopters is a lame duck and a navy without maritime helicopters and maritime patrol aircraft is blind,” was how the Defence Review Committee member reacted to the A-109 grounding coupled with other current equipment shortcomings in the SANDF.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31305&Itemid=108

With the country’s military watchers united in their view the SA Air Force (SAAF) is fast approaching crisis point in terms of operational ability

He also points out the SAAF definitely needs more equipment.

“The need for new transports to replace the 50-year-old C-130BZs, maritime patrol aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles won’t go away just because the operational budget has been squeezed.”
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31330&Itemid=108

you don't have an air force. and you @msauza know absolutely nothing about Nigeria. period

i repeat. build your military capabilities first before you can talk of fighting anyone. case closed

Chief, our Airforce is being financed more than your Airforce and we are using much advanced plane than what you have in your hungers of your so called Nigerian Airforce. Don't tell me about Agusta A109 because such is not a war plane. Moreover, there is a difference between "under storage" and "grounded". When planes are grounded, like 3 of your F7 it means they are no longer safe to fly and when planes are under storage it means something else. When your car is under parking in your garage, does not mean that it cannot drive, it means that you have parked it there because you temporarily do not require its services and instead you are using other cars.

SA Airforce is undoubtedly more equiped than your Airforce, with fighter jets, gunships, missile technology and transport planes.

Besides, let me leave you with something to ponder on. Why is your military expert Agaugust always quote wikipedia as his reliable source? Why is it all wrong for us to do likewise.

Below is the official website of 28 squadron in waterkloof Pretoria, the transport unit of C-130s Hercules.
I hope that @Blackchris will see for himself;

http://www.af.mil.za/bases/afb_waterkloof/28%20Squadron.htm

This base is where fighter pilot works.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/31/world/africa/south-africa-military-crash

Msauza:

You are such a fool! That South African Air force helicopter crashed because of technical problem, the direct consequence of it flying low most of the times.

blackchris:

on the contrary, it was shot down by poachers

hahahaha poachers are their own lesser version of b.oko h.aram

South African R4 Rifle armed Rangers, Army, Air Force, all combined together chasing ordinary rhino poachers about in the bush like Tom and Jerry

South African Rangers & Military = Tom cat

Civilian Rhino Poachers = Jerry mouse

now bush meat don catch the hunter ! rhino poacher brought down air force helicopter flown by the 'best pilots in africa'

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/31/world/africa/south-africa-military-crash

agaugust:




hahahaha poachers are their own lesser version of b.oko h.aram

South African R4 Rifle armed Rangers, Army, Air Force, all combined together chasing ordinary rhino poachers about in the bush like Tom and Jerry

South African Rangers & Military = Tom cat

Civilian Rhino Poachers = Jerry mouse

now bush meat don catch the hunter ! rhino poacher brought down air force helicopter flown by the 'best pilots in africa'

You wish, Mr Seleka.

Boko Haram = military operation.

Poachers = Environmental Affairs Ministry operation.

Mr Seleka = imbecïle

In any case, tomorrow the rankings will still read South Africa > Naai-geria.

snydergp:


Mr fool the delusional military boy. Did you know your Otomat MK1 needs helocopter guidance during its cruise faze, now can you tell me whether the NNS ARUDA can carry 1 or 4 helo's and fire so called 8 missiles in second.

By the way there's no anti ship missile systems built in the 1960's that can fire 8 missile at once especially a missile the size of the Otomats which is heavy.

No modern Navy would go to war today with 1960's missile tech.

Lastly without regular live testing of weapons atleast once a year a missile systems especially a relic like the Otomat is already Obsolete.

My boy i see you haven't lost your youthful over zealousness. Go try your dreams of a naval war against SAS ships in Somali waters son

points of correction you buffoon out-dated soldier on reserve list :

Otomat missile has many versions and there is NONE as old as year 1960.

it starts from first version year 1976 to latest version year 2007


Otomat Mk 1: first model, without data link, 60 km practical range, service from 1976

Otomat Mk 2 Block I: first model with data-link, 180 km range, first over the horizon launch in 1978

Otomat Mk 2 Block II: it had foldable wings, allowing the use of smaller boxes, and so using two missiles instead of one. It started to appear in '80s, though it took considerable time to replace the first model.

Otomat Mk 2 Block III: new INS navigation system, 'insensible' warhead, new, safer solid propellant for boosters, improved data link to allow TESEO to guide missiles also from the ship directly.

Otomat Mk 3/NGASM/ULISSE: new version with longer range, stealth design (both shape and materials), IRST sensor coupled with the radar and GPS, land attack capabilities. Development started at the beginning of '90s.

Otomat Mk 2 Block IV: latest version, also called Teseo Mk2/A (for the Marina Militare), with a new electronic set.
GPS is added and so the weapon can attack also land targets. In May 2006, Teseo MK2/A was successfully test fired for the first time. This variant will in due course be deployed on the Italian variant of the Franco-Italian FREMM frigate. Teseo MK2/A has entered service with the Italian Navy in 2007. Currently it is available on the export market and has been purchased by export customers in 2008.

nigerian navy has both Otomat Mk 1 and Mk 2

Operators List

Bangladesh Navy Ulsan class frigate 1 Otomat Mk2
Nigerian Navy MEKO 360H1 class frigate 1 Otomat Mk2


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat


NNS Aradu carries 8 Otomat missiles and can fire all at the same target. helicopter guidance can be replaced by ATR-42 Surveyor of nigerian air force which has target tracking radar range of 330km to guide Otomat missile that has range of 180km

NNS ARADU Otomat anti-ship missile explosive warhead is more powerful than south african valour frigates Exocet missiles which is just only 17 units of missiles shared among 4 south african navy warships nigerian navy has 40 units of Otomat anti-ship missiles, 10 missiles against each south african valour warship.

try a naval blockade of nigeria's waters, and south africa will have no navy anymore !

you dont know how real war is fought at sea, you just copy-paste DENEL products photos

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Chillisauce:

PART 5 OF "OPENING PANDORAS APARTHEID BOX":
By Mike Smith

Black cognitive ability. Third Rationale for Apartheid.

Long before studies like “The Bell Curve” or “Race and Reason” were published, before IQ tests were invented, we whites of Africa knew the mind of the black man intimately. Nobody had to prove anything to us. We knew the limitations of the African black and his capacity to break whatever he touches. We knew his strengths and his weaknesses.

From simple, obvious and uncomplicated examples the white man drew his conclusions about black’s cognitive abilities.
The white man noticed that the blacks from South Africa never invented the wheel. Blacks never had any written languages. They had no dug-out canoes, let alone ships. Their dwellings were nothing but single roomed shelters that resembled poor imitations of inverted bird’s nests, made from sticks and grass. They had no woven cloth and were wearing animal skins. They had no maps and no borders. They had a primitive belief system and their tribal



laws were held and changed by “elders” at will after drinking their tribal beer/brew.

They were nomadic cattle herders that never permanently settled in one place for too long. They hardly grew crops and if so, it were small patches of subsistence maize introduced by
the whites who brought it back from South America, the only place where it grew and existed. Yes that is right. Maize, which is today the staple food of all Blacks throughout the entire
Africa, comes from South America and was introduced to blacks by white European settlers. Blacks today cannot even imagine a life without maize, yet they say that whites never brought anything good to Africa. As I said before, blacks needs to go down on their knees and thank the Lord for sending the white man to their evil continent. Because as far as providing for themselves...they are useless.

Blacks have proven that they cannot farm. They hardly understand the principle of irrigation,let alone ever building any dams. When a slight drought occurs one year all their crops fail and they starve.
Whites in South Africa developed commercial farming into a science and built universities such as Elsenburg at Stellenbosh

...blacks who have worked on white farms for their entire lives, for generations, neverlearned a thing and every white commercial farm that was handed over to blacks failed, even after vast amounts of money was thrown at them, training was given and the most modern implements bought for them by the government.
This tragedy is documented in a book by Dr. Phillip du Toit called,
The Great South African Land Scandal. Dr du Toit has made his book available online, free of charge.

Liberals and cultural relativists will be quick to point out that there are many blacks today who are academics, medical doctors or lawyers. They will tell us that the environment determines IQ. They somehow believe that a black child raised in a white household, who went to white schools and who had all the
opportunities as a white kid would magically become equal or better than a white child. It is only the simpleminded who believes this. Eskimos live on the same parallel as Northern European Whites, but have never been able to reach the same level of development and ingenuity as Whites from Scandinavia, Russia or Germany. Blacks who live in Tropical conditions have never been able to build the structures of the Incas, the Mayas or even anything resembling the beauty of Angkor Wat in Cambodia.

Besides, the Australians tried it. They took Aborigine children away from their communities, raised them in wealthy white households, sending them to only the best schools, etc. The
results were that these Abbo children reverted to the same behaviour and sometimes worse than that of their traditional communities. Today we refer to them as The stolen generation.

So what about those clever blacks you ask?...The ones who are doctors, etc...? Anybody who has ever taught blacks anything, lectured to them or tried to jerk them into the twentieth century will understand what I am about to say?

I have to tell you a little story here.

When I was at school in South Africa I had a friend. Let us call him “Manie”. Manie was a hyper intelligent young boy. At the age of eleven when we had the “Rubik Cube” craze, he was solving the puzzle in 50 odd seconds. Later on in high school, Manie produced straight A’s, he could play several musical instruments including the drums, guitar and trumpet. He played Rugby and was also a martial artist of note. Manie became a dentist and
is currently practicing in the UK.

While he was a medical student I once asked him how difficult the course was. He said to me that to become a doctor is not difficult. It is a SHIT load of work to study, but it is not difficult as in Engineering or Physics. I asked him why he opted for Dentist. He told me that when he wants to drive a Porche, he wants to go out there and buy him one. He was honest.
He did not become a dentist, because he had some calling in life...he did it purely for the money. So for blacks to become medical doctors is actually not that difficult.

The black (Zulu) historian and Shaman, Credo Mutwa talks about this in his book, “My People” (1969). Credo says that blacks never had any written language so they have no written history. Their
history is passed down orally from Sangoma to Sangoma. See, the Sangoma is not only the traditional healer, he is also the preserver of the oral history, the tribal laws and the ancient
rituals and customs of the blacks.

He explains that blacks have an excellent memory that they drill from childhood through stories, rhymes and songs. To remember detail they use what we would call “memory association”.
For instance, Credo Mutwa says that the blacks have a huge respect for the late president of the ZAR, Paul Kruger. President Kruger had an ability to mimic the sounds of all birds through
whistling. Even till this day the township of Mamelodi east of Pretoria, capital city of the ZAR and South Africa is named after Paul Kruger, the whistler. His statue stands on Church Square
in Pretoria.

When one teaches blacks, it is not uncommon to find that they score well to very well in tests or exams where they have to repeat what they were taught. In fact it is almost well
known amongst educators that blacks are better at this than whites. But when it comes to applying knowledge...when it comes to using logic, faultfinding and problem solving skills, blacks fall by the wayside. They just cannot do it.

A black can pass all the theory exams to become a pilot, but put him in a simulator and subject him to crisis situations where he has to think rapidly, then one sees the cogs of the black cognitive system start flying all over the place. And I am talking about the one percent...the best of the best,. The other 99% are only good to dig ditches, provided they do not break the pick or spade.
The proof is in the pudding. It is not as if the world is over run by Nobel Laureates for hard sciences like physics or chemistry. How many black astro or nuclear physicists do you know?

Today much is being said about Black education under Apartheid, but the truth is that in 1987 at the height of Apartheid, six million black children were at school, a new record for South
Africa at the time. In the previous year 1800 classrooms for secondary education were built by whites, with white money for blacks. About 130 new schools were built. If one considers
the schools burnt down by blacks at the same time the education standards of blacks could have been even higher.

At the time black South Africans had the highest literacy rate amongst other blacks on the entire continent. Blacks had eight universities in South Africa producing lawyers, doctors,
teachers, etc of world standard. None of those people would say today that their education and degrees are of an inferior standard. Quite the contrary, they are extremely proud of their education they underwent during Apartheid. Telling them that their education was “Sub standard” would be insulting them.

As I have mentioned before, South Africa was a world leader in medical science during Apartheid and established a unique Medical university called MEDUNSA which produced amongst others on average 200 black doctors per year. MEDUNSA also trained nurses and other medical staff.

The most amazing thing is that no matter how well Blacks are educated, they never let go of their superstitious believes in the Tokoloshe, Muti witchcraft and ancestor worship. Blacks who hold high positions today such as ministers in parliament or judges...blacks who are engineers, still consult the witchdoctor on a regular basis. Blacks still run around and attack everyone, including their own with pangas.

No amount of western education will ever be sufficient to change the African black savage into respectable human beings. They are what they are. We have to be honest with ourselves and with blacks and accept them them for who and what they are. We have to realise that our cultures will never be compatible Just as the Boers never wanted to rule over the Blacks, the Boers will NEVER accept blacks ruling over them.

The previous National Party government was not stupid. They never took any decisions without thoroughly investigating all options. They studied the Swiss Canton system and the
Belgium model with the Flemish and Walonians ...No sytem could be compared to the unique South African situation. Apartheid was not the only option. There were others to consider like
the Stalinist option of just exterminating all opposition in their millions. But BJ Voster asked us to accept the reforms, because the other options were just too ghastly to comprehend for
the pious Whites of South Africa.

some few honest south africans confessing that their country is now a shadow of its former self. grace to grass


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zaandrew:


Wow you again just showed you know nothing.

show us what you know, we are waiting. prove me wrong about the Umkhonto missile use if you can, post your own sources the way i posted mine, we are waiting

agaugust:


some few honest south africans confessing that their country is now a shadow of its former self. grace to grass


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What an idiötic black Naai-gerian person. Can't you see that you're also included in this racist article? Great to see that you embrace it.

Ok, then - seeing as you are black and you believe in the article:


You, black Mr Seleka need to go down on your knees and thank the Lord for sending the white man to your evil continent. Because as far as providing for yourself...you are useless.

When one teaches blacks, it is not uncommon to find that they score well to very well in tests or exams where they have to repeat what they were taught. In fact it is almost well known amongst educators that blacks are better at this than whites. But when it comes to applying knowledge...when it comes to using logic, faultfinding and problem solving skills, blacks fall by the wayside. They just cannot do it.

This is the article that you are praising. You do know that this is hogwash, right?

You are a foöl. Please tell us you're joking.

The glory days that are being discussed here are the apartheid days. Your bitterness, jealousy and hatred of South Africans has caused you to embrace apartheid. You should hang your head in shame.

saengine:

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6540:fact-file-denel-dynamics-umkhonto-short-range-infra-red-guided-point-air-defence-missile-system-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

"The Umkhonto missile system provides point defence against high-speed aircraft and missiles at ranges up to 12km. The system provides all-round protection, including zenith, and has a “very high saturation level” through the use of vertical launching, automatic flight control together with multi-targeting capabilities."

"The Umkhonto IR is reputedly the first VLS IR SAM and also the first to use LOAL3 and can engage “eight or more” different targets simultaneously, using the ships’ Thales MRR (multi-role radar). Upon launch the missile is said to fly to a lock-on point using inertial navigation. At the designated spot the missile activates its IR seeker and locks on."



So this is your lesson for me? You clearly know absolutely nothing about Umkhonto missile. Nothing at all. Umkhonto SAM has 40G of maneuverability, meaning after launch it can very rapidly change it's direction you fool. You think it turns like a fat cow? Go back to sleep if you are clueless about this topic. Otomat missiles will be picked up from many kilometers away. Will you be firing them at us from 1m away? No. Your imaginary Otomat missiles will not touch any Frigate. This is the official picture Denel released with the Umkhonto SAM. What kind of targets is it engaging in this pic? Stop wasting my time, fool.

[img]http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/sam_umkhonto-ir_scenario.gif[/img]

i know that already, most missiles snap up snap down, but there is a difference. anti-aircraft missiles are NOT a standard defence against anti-ship missiles, they are more used against cruise missiles which many times do not skim or hug sea surface and have slow subsonic speed not fast like anti-ship missiles that have about supersonic speed and skim/hug the sea surface.

go back to my post inside your own quote of my words, i DID NOT say umkhonto CANNOT stop an Otomat missile, but i said :


"Umhkonto missile is not the weapon of valour frigates designed to stop surface to surface missiles, you got it all wrong. show us a source that says its is for anti-surface use. it will not perform well in that role and the south african warship will get sunk in that wrong use of defensive weaponry."

i said Otomat could have 80% chance of hitting the valour frigate, meaning the defenses of valor frigate have 20% chance too of stopping the otomat. i am not like you south africans who believe only you have 100% chance of winning. i gave both a chance, but the better chance goes to the Otomat.

there is NO source that says umkhonto is for defence against sea skimmig anti ship missiles. DENEL can make any 3D image drawing they want to sell their product, but let them go try it out in real war and use anti-aircraft missile against a sea hugging anti-ship missile, then they see d.eath enter through the ship's windows.


go and talk to your navy admirals, not the @andrewza navy rifleman you have here.

go through all military records that have technical basis, no weapons manufacturer is marketing anti-aircraft missiles as a defence against sea hugging ant-ship missiles

time for school again my small boy, let me teach you world military standard of defence against anti-ship missiles like the Otomat of nigerian navy warship NNS ARADU.

i have many military stuff in my private files i can give you on this topic, but i wont, no need to give you to much because you never say thank you for what i teach you here that your south african plastic toy soldiers on this forum cannot teach you because your johannesburg military academies are a part of your over-rated south african enclave.

let me use a cheap and public source....wikipedia, and tell you all the things i did not want to tell you before :


[size=16pt]Warships' Standard Defences Against Anti-ship Missiles[/size]


Countermeasures against anti-ship missiles include:


1. Anti-missile missiles such as the Russian Navy's 9K33 Osa (SA-N-4 Gecko)

2. Close-in weapon systems (CIWS), including the Soviet-or Russian-made AK-630 or Kashtan/Каштан or the Phalanx and Goalkeeper. These are automated gun systems mounted on the deck of a ship that use radar to track the approaching missile, and then attempt to shoot it down during its final approach to the target.

3. Anti-aircraft guns such as the Mk 45 5-inch naval gun or the AK-130

4. Electronic warfare equipment (such as SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare Suite)

5. Decoy systems (such as "chaff" - the US Navy's RBOC system), and "flares", or more active decoys such as the Nulka

6. Reduction of their radar cross section (RCS) and hence radar signature.

limit a ship's infrared and acoustic signature.


did you see any type of anti-aircraft missile (south african Umkhonto missile too is anti-aircraft) on the above list ? NO, big NO


source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile

anti-ship missiles are very dangerous, see war history below and watch the video.

Falklands War History 1982 : British Royal Navy Guided Missile Destroyer HMS Sheffield loaded with anti-aircraft missiles could not stop Argentina's Exocet sea hugging anti-ship missile, the ship crew saw it but could not stop it, one single missile sank the warship with one single hit...and nigerian Otomat has a more powerful explosive warhead than Argentina or South Africa or France's Exocet missiles...google it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4



source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sheffield_(D80)


i am never in a hurry to reply you these south african little fishes, but now, let me answer your question of 2 days ago...

saengine:

I never asked you about Roland you fool. Dont come here with that rubbish "almost every missile blah blah blah".....they are completely different systems. Show us the technical details pointing out that Aradu can fire 8 missiles simultaneously like you claimed, or shut that hole you call a mouth.

[size=16pt]NNS ARADU can fire all her 8 Otomat anti-ship missiles in one single attack[/size]

Typical Mission - Otomat Missile

In terms of technology and operability, this Otomat missile, while almost unknown the general public having not been involved in a war, presents a very powerful anti-ship weapon and perhaps the most powerful of all modern western anti-ship missiles having a mid course data-link.


No particular maneuvres are required by the ship: the missiles are capable of changing course after the launch up to 200° so all the missiles in the ship could be used against the same target in one attack.

This allows for quick reaction times as the ship does not need to change direction to unmask the missile batteries. This allows the ship to fire all missiles against a target regardless of where they are place aboard.

source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

NNS ARADU carries 8 Otomat missiles at once, if she needs any guidance help, she has a new radar now plus support from nigerian air force ATR-42 Surveyor maritime aircraft with sea targeting and search radar with range of 330km


Armament :

8 x Otomat Mk 1 SSM
24 x Aspide SAM in octuple launcher
1 x 5 inch gun, 8 x Bofors 40 mm gun
6 x torpedo tubes
1 depth charge rack

source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aradu_(F89)[/size]




meanwhile, i am getting tired of talking to these south africa dummies...feeling like exiting this forum, not sure yet. these south african mugus just tire me fa!

Seems Nigerians have all of a sudden become fans of the Mike Smith of this world... very funny. We've been bombarded with links to sites like Stormfront to discredited South Africa, i guess there is nothing left to make SA look bad.. VIVA South Africa.


JUST HEAR WHAT MIKE SMITH AND HIS WHITE SUPREMISTS SAY ABOUT NIGERIANS.

Re: Let's get ONE THING straight here....Nigerians may look/behave/smell/eat/breed etc, like baboons, and have all the same educational and work skills/social graces/morals as apes, but they do have ALL the cunning and cleverness of a big sack of weasels!! They have found a Nirvana here in Ireland, free Welfare/AIDS Treatment/Housing/Education/Plenty of cheap fried chicken/Cola and a great place to "play the Race Card"!!

Do you seriously think that these simians are about to give up this haven in Ireland, and return home without a fight? Would you, if you were a Nigerian?

I have the mis-fortune to have been seconded to work in Tallaght, on a 1year assignment, and it makes me ill, to see the swamp-land of Negroid effluent that Tallaght has become. OK, I will admit, Tallaght was a ghetto to begin with, but, at least it used to be a White/Social Welfare/Council/Corpo dumping ground, and the shopping centre was a nice place to go. Now, all the lovely, newly-built Private and Council houses and apartments have been over-run with the monkey people, and the Square Shopping Centre resembles the Black Townships. Plus, the addition of several 1000's of Asians, Roma gypsies, Russians, Albanians, etc etc, has turned the place into a total toilet. It's absolutely horrible...DO avoid it...at all costs!!

As regards the Nigerian in question, in this posting....? Sure, he'll probably stay true to form, and ...make 4 woman pregnant...infect them, and another 6 more, with AIDS...then, be allowed to remain on "Human Rights" grounds, live for another 30 years on Anti-Viral Drugs and Marks+Spencers food, and cost the Tax-payers a Zillion..!!

zetdee: Seems Nigerians have all of a sudden become fans of the Mike Smith of this world... very funny. We've been bombarded with links to sites like Stormfront to discredited South Africa, i guess there is nothing left to make SA look bad.. VIVA South Africa.


JUST HEAR WHAT MIKE SMITH AND HIS WHITE SUPREMISTS SAY ABOUT NIGERIANS.

Re: Let's get ONE THING straight here....Nigerians may look/behave/smell/eat/breed etc, like baboons, and have all the same educational and work skills/social graces/morals as apes, but they do have ALL the cunning and cleverness of a big sack of weasels!! They have found a Nirvana here in Ireland, free Welfare/AIDS Treatment/Housing/Education/Plenty of cheap fried chicken/Cola and a great place to "play the Race Card"!!

Do you seriously think that these simians are about to give up this haven in Ireland, and return home without a fight? Would you, if you were a Nigerian?

I have the mis-fortune to have been seconded to work in Tallaght, on a 1year assignment, and it makes me ill, to see the swamp-land of Negroid effluent that Tallaght has become. OK, I will admit, Tallaght was a ghetto to begin with, but, at least it used to be a White/Social Welfare/Council/Corpo dumping ground, and the shopping centre was a nice place to go. Now, all the lovely, newly-built Private and Council houses and apartments have been over-run with the monkey people, and the Square Shopping Centre resembles the Black Townships. Plus, the addition of several 1000's of Asians, Roma gypsies, Russians, Albanians, etc etc, has turned the place into a total toilet. It's absolutely horrible...DO avoid it...at all costs!!

As regards the Nigerian in question, in this posting....? Sure, he'll probably stay true to form, and ...make 4 woman pregnant...infect them, and another 6 more, with AIDS...then, be allowed to remain on "Human Rights" grounds, live for another 30 years on Anti-Viral Drugs and Marks+Spencers food, and cost the Tax-payers a Zillion..!!

I'm almost embarrassed for them.

The desperation has driven them to embrace racism.

So shameful.

Are Naai-gerians really this dümb, or is it just the people on Naai-raland?

saengine: Quest for the Maroon Beret

What it takes to become a SANDF paratrooper. 30 minute clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xsCdTYxHwCs[

ordianry nigerian civil defence militia called NSCDC will defeat these your 'boneless' south african paratroopers...yeye training, more like NYSC camp


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVAvwQBcBd8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-wkC0-mmt8

NaijaPikinGidi: Can anyone see Parktown in the map? Simple things by technology seem to be impossible when it comes to CrayFish's level!

yes, 148 Park Town

Mike..ZA:
Nigeria has never produced any manned war plane. Artillery systems? South Africa is the world leader in designing artillery systems,example being the G7 105mm Howitzer which can put a shell 36km away. Outranging all 105mm howitzers and all 155mm Nigerian guns.

south africa too has never produced any manned warplane. simple.

please dont drag us back to this your foolish G7 or G6 artillery long range, i have posted this topic and analysed it till i got tired....you guys make me feel like exiting this forum because you just keep repeating the same foolish arguments.

nigerian artillery ranges 24km same as the best american and russian artillery. the extra long range of south african artillery is 90% useless in war because you will not see what you are hitting in the far away next town, maybe your artillery shells are landing in cassava farms

fool

agaugust:

yes, 148 Park Town

Hahaha, look at this one.

Now, what would you know about anything Parktown lol.

Can you even see Parktown on the map? 148 Parktown. Lord! SMH.

Mike..ZA:
You were in your hibernation mode? Cause I already answered all ago. On the issue of South Africa can't produce heavy weapons,If the war winning G5 and G6 guns are not heavy weapons then show any Nigerian made "heavy wespons". And please we(South Africans) have proved on many occasions that South Africa is capable of producing helicopter engines. If our armies were to meet in the battlefield,how will your forces counter the a battery of the G6 gun. Don't talk about planes,cause Nigeria has 12 F7 jets to take on the Griffins and Hawks(which will focus on ground bombings).

show me war history where armies fighting each other were 70km apart and made progress in the war.

armies close in on each other and battle for control of the ground, not stand off 70km G6 artillery range away from each other.

dont drag us back many pages on this forum. south african airforce jets will fall to nigerian army 300 Roland SAM anti-aircraft missiles, Bofors radar guided anti-aircraft missiles, and the new Type 90 anti-aircraft and anti-missile artillery air defences, and the new Akash SAM superb 35km range anti-aircraft missiles we are planning to buy from india.

please go back many pages, dont waste our time with your fairy tale stories here

Mike..ZA:
Did you know: France has nuclear weapons and an aircraft carrier which can put more than "12" fighter jets(The Rafaele) in your airspace?. Did you also know: That the Leclerc Main battle tank can take out any Nigerian armoured vehicle or tank?. France can take out Nigeria in 2 months,so don't dare say your armed forces have a chance in defeating France.

France attacks nigeria....we have a defence pact with Ukraine, and Ukraine has defence past with Russia...go read history of how world wars I and II started with just 2 countries.

the world war II began on 1 September 1939 with the invasion of Poland by Germany....

agaugust:

i know that already, most missiles snap up snap down, but there is a difference. anti-aircraft missiles are NOT a standard defence against anti-ship missiles, they are more used against cruise missiles which many times do not skim or hug sea surface and have slow subsonic speed not fast like anti-ship missiles that have about supersonic speed and skim/hug the sea surface.

go back to my post inside your own quote of my words, i DID NOT say umkhonto CANNOT stop an Otomat missile, but i said :


"Umhkonto missile is not the weapon of valour frigates designed to stop surface to surface missiles, you got it all wrong. show us a source that says its is for anti-surface use. it will not perform well in that role and the south african warship will get sunk in that wrong use of defensive weaponry."

i said Otomat could have 80% chance of hitting the valour frigate, meaning the defenses of valor frigate have 20% chance too of stopping the otomat. i am not like you south africans who believe only you have 100% chance of winning. i gave both a chance, but the better chance goes to the Otomat.

there is NO source that says umkhonto is for defence against sea skimmig anti ship missiles. DENEL can make any 3D image drawing they want to sell their product, but let them go try it out in real war and use anti-aircraft missile against a sea hugging anti-ship missile, then they see d.eath enter through the ship's windows.


go and talk to your navy admirals, not the @andrewza navy rifleman you have here.

go through all military records that have technical basis, no weapons manufacturer is marketing anti-aircraft missiles as a defence against sea hugging ant-ship missiles

time for school again my small boy, let me teach you world military standard of defence against anti-ship missiles like the Otomat of nigerian navy warship NNS ARADU.

i have many military stuff in my private files i can give you on this topic, but i wont, no need to give you to much because you never say thank you for what i teach you here that your south african plastic toy soldiers on this forum cannot teach you because your johannesburg military academies are a part of your over-rated south african enclave.

let me use a cheap and public source....wikipedia, and tell you all the things i did not want to tell you before :


[size=16pt]Warships' Standard Defences Against Anti-ship Missiles[/size]


Countermeasures against anti-ship missiles include:


1. Anti-missile missiles such as the Russian Navy's 9K33 Osa (SA-N-4 Gecko)

2. Close-in weapon systems (CIWS), including the Soviet-or Russian-made AK-630 or Kashtan/Каштан or the Phalanx and Goalkeeper. These are automated gun systems mounted on the deck of a ship that use radar to track the approaching missile, and then attempt to shoot it down during its final approach to the target.

3. Anti-aircraft guns such as the Mk 45 5-inch naval gun or the AK-130

4. Electronic warfare equipment (such as SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare Suite)

5. Decoy systems (such as "chaff" - the US Navy's RBOC system), and "flares", or more active decoys such as the Nulka

6. Reduction of their radar cross section (RCS) and hence radar signature.

limit a ship's infrared and acoustic signature.


did you see any anti-aircraft missile like south african Umkhonto SAM on the above list ? NO, big NO


source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile

anti-ship missiles are very dangerous, see war history below and watch the video.

Falklands War History 1982 : British Royal Navy Guided Missile Destroyer HMS Sheffield loaded with anti-aircraft missiles could not stop Argentina's Exocet sea hugging anti-ship missile, the ship crew saw it but could not stop it, one single missile sank the warship with one single hit...and nigerian Otomat has a more powerful explosive warhead than Argentina or South Africa or France's Exocet missiles...google it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4



source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sheffield_(D80)


i am never in a hurry to reply you these south african little fishes, but now, let me answer your question of 2 days ago...



[size=16pt]NNS ARADU can fire all her 8 Otomat anti-ship missiles in one single attack[/size]

Typical Mission - Otomat Missile

In terms of technology and operability, this Otomat missile, while almost unknown the general public having not been involved in a war, presents a very powerful anti-ship weapon and perhaps the most powerful of all modern western anti-ship missiles having a mid course data-link.


No particular maneuvres are required by the ship: the missiles are capable of changing course after the launch up to 200° so all the missiles in the ship could be used against the same target in one attack.

This allows for quick reaction times as the ship does not need to change direction to unmask the missile batteries. This allows the ship to fire all missiles against a target regardless of where they are place aboard.

source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

NNS ARADU carries 8 Otomat missiles at once, if she needs any guidance help, she has a new radar now plus support from nigerian air force ATR-42 Surveyor maritime aircraft with sea targeting and search radar with range of 330km


Armament :

8 x Otomat Mk 1 SSM
24 x Aspide SAM in octuple launcher
1 x 5 inch gun, 8 x Bofors 40 mm gun
6 x torpedo tubes
1 depth charge rack

source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aradu_(F89)[/size]




meanwhile, i am getting tired of talking to these south africa dummies...feeling like exiting this forum, not sure yet. these south african mugus just tire me fa!

When exactly is your stupid 419 brain going to stop lying? You never knew a thing because all that you told us was that the umkhonto is launched from a fixed vertical pipe and will only fire straight in the air to provide air defence other than anti-surface because it was not engineered to behave that way. Little did you know that umkhonto is manuevrable and can provide defence in all directions and now you want to come with ignorant claims that many missiles behave that way. How many missiles do you know of that nature that behave that way because umkhonto is only few of its kind that have such capability. Your ship has been sanked and you must think South Africans for pledging their free time to offer you free education.

Mike..ZA:
What do you know about military hardware?. Show me any "heavy equipment" your country produces. YOU KNOW NOTHING LIL S..UCKER!!!!!!!!!!

show me the heavy equipment Ethiopia or Algeria produces, because any one of them will defeat south africa in war.

your army has no 'bones' your air force crashes chasing poachers your navy is as foolish as @andrewza

Msauza: So far we have proved that Nigerian Airforce is not as well equipped as that of its South African counterpart. A country with just 12 Chengdu F7-Ni can never expect to defeat a country 15 Griffins and 26 Hawks in a dogfight. Nigerias Russians Mi-35 gunships have by no doubt proven to be weaker than Denel's Rooivalk. The Denel's made gunship has been proven to be the worlds best top 10 gunship. Our Airforce use better missile technology than what NA has in their arsenal. SA Air force is much bigger than Nigerian Airforce in leaps and bounds, hence it will only be through the use of Juju that Nigerias Airforce will ever defeat SA Air force.

nigerian air defences do not need to stop south african air force jets from flying into the air, but we will ensure your jets come down from the air where there is no airport.

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agaugust:

show me the heavy equipment Ethiopia or Algeria produces, because any one of them will defeat south africa in war.

your amry has no 'bones' your air force crashes chasing poachers your navy is as foolish as @andrewza

During war it is a greatest possibility that all parties in conflict will be slammed with sanction, most probably arms embago. Now tell me if those countries are in war with South Africa how will they be able to develop weapons if they do not have that capability? Don't you think that SA will utilise such weakness to their advantage.

Msauza:

During war it is a greatest possibility that all parties in conflict will be slammed with sanction, most probably arms embago. Now tell me if those countries are in war with South Africa how will they be able to develop weapons if they do not have that capability? Don't you think that SA will utilise such weakness to their advantage.

fool during Badme war 1998-2000, both Ethiopia and Eritrea were busy buying/importing SU-27 Flanker and Mig 29 Jets complete with mercenary pilots from Ukraine and Russia. where was the UN embargo/sanction then ?

see arms sales log below , you south africans just post comment with no proof, you soweto fools

Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1998 to 2000

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 07 August 2013


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Russia
R: Eritrea (4) Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter 1998 1998 (4)
(6) MiG-29S/Fulcrum-C FGA aircraft 1998 1998 6 No. could be up to 10; incl 2 MiG-29UB
Ethiopia (2) Mi-24V/Hind-E Combat helicopter 1998 1999 (2) Ex-Russian; deal worth $150-160 m incl Su-27 fighter aircraft and Mi-8 helicopters
(2) Mi-8T/Hip-C Helicopter 1998 1998 (2) Ex-Russian; deal worth $150-160 m incl Su-27 fighter aircraft and Mi-24 helicopters
(9) Su-27S/Flanker-B FGA aircraft 1998 1998-1999 9 Ex-Russian; deal worth $150-160 m incl Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters; incl 2-3 Su-27US version; for use against Eritrea; flown by Russian pilots
(4) Su-25/Frogfoot-A Ground attack ac (1999) 2000 4 Incl 2 Su-25UB version

agaugust:

nigerian air defences do not need to stop south african air force jets from flying into the air, but we will ensure your jets come down from the air where there is no airport.

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That is very stupid because our jets would have caused irreparable damage. That way it is clear that your airforce fleet is too small to launch an air offensive against SA.

agaugust:

fool during Badme war 1998-2000, both Ethiopia and Eritrea were busy buying/importing SU-27 Flanker and Mig 29 Jets complete with mercenary pilots from Ukraine and Russia. where was the UN embargo/sanction then ?

see arms sales log below , you south africans just post comment with no proof, you soweto fools

Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1998 to 2000

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 07 August 2013


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Russia
R: Eritrea (4) Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter 1998 1998 (4)
(6) MiG-29S/Fulcrum-C FGA aircraft 1998 1998 6 No. could be up to 10; incl 2 MiG-29UB
Ethiopia (2) Mi-24V/Hind-E Combat helicopter 1998 1999 (2) Ex-Russian; deal worth $150-160 m incl Su-27 fighter aircraft and Mi-8 helicopters
(2) Mi-8T/Hip-C Helicopter 1998 1998 (2) Ex-Russian; deal worth $150-160 m incl Su-27 fighter aircraft and Mi-24 helicopters
(9) Su-27S/Flanker-B FGA aircraft 1998 1998-1999 9 Ex-Russian; deal worth $150-160 m incl Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters; incl 2-3 Su-27US version; for use against Eritrea; flown by Russian pilots
(4) Su-25/Frogfoot-A Ground attack ac (1999) 2000 4 Incl 2 Su-25UB version

What part of greatest possibility don't you understand. Looking into the influence of both countries in the continent there is a greatest possibility that both countries can be slammed with sanctions. Now let us take it that both countries are hit with arms embago, how will Nigeria, Egypt and Ethiopia be able to survive?

Msauza:

What part of greatest possibility don't you understand. Looking into the influence of both countries in the continent there is a greatest possibility that both countries can be slammed with sanctions. Now let us take it that both countries are hit with arms embago, how will Nigeria, Egypt and Ethiopia be able to survive?

We went through one during the Abacha regime, we'll get through if it happens again.

agaugust:


some few honest south africans confessing that their country is now a shadow of its former self. grace to grass


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my brother. when truth comes from one of their united(as they claim) comrades, they'll call it racist comments. so where's the unity? hehehehehehe i dey laff o

Hola Bafe2


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Sho Majimbo


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Last one Msawawa.

As you were, zinja zam.


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