South African defense equipment manufacturers are benefiting the most from the new interest, having signed wide-ranging arms sales and production deals with Swiss, US, Russian, Brazilian, Malaysian and French companies. US-based Colt Defense recently launched its bid for the Southern African market when it signed an agreement with specialized South African sniper rifle manufacturer Truvelo Armory for the joint manufacture and sale of all Colt firearms to regional police and military forces.


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http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130817/DEFREG04/308170005/Global-Firms-Eye-African-Market

One South Africa y'all. Those who have no country, no story and no vision hate. Badliwa umona.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AheC9ul5w1A

.

[size=16pt]Egypt's Army (And Police) Africa's Strongest Military,

K.ills almost 1,000 Defenseless Civilians In 3 Days[/size]

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/editorials/18-Aug-2013/egypt-s-brutal-military


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Yik__D5_A


who is complaining about Nigerian Army and some 'Civilian Deaths ' ?

.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt]Egypt's Army (And Police) Africa's Strongest Military,

K.ills almost 1,000 Defenseless Civilians In 3 Days[/size]

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/editorials/18-Aug-2013/egypt-s-brutal-military


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Yik__D5_A


who is complaining about Nigerian Army and some 'Civilian Deaths ' ?

.

Don't tell us about a country facing a revolution and an anti-government mass uprising.

The Naai-gerian civilians have not risen up against the government, now have they?

Your military has taken its frustrations out on civilians, because it can't defeat Boko.

Don't give us stories, Mr Seleka. Show us where Egypt has lined up civilians and shot them in the street like so...

(Enjoy from frame 1:50 onwards, the exploits of your brave loseritary - raw and uncut so that you'll get the message)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5BR_kTmoEk

agaugust:


you dont know how government defense policy and economic policy run together.

every regional power in africa has its own season of re-arming and modernizing its military with new weapons.

large scale weapons purchase and modernization of military equipment is often a 5 to 10 year plan.

morocco and nigeria are at that stage now. south africa has done 90% of what it will buy between 1998 to 2008. egypt and algeria too have done 90% of new weapons purchases.

nigeria started around 2007 and is only about 30% way done with new weapons purchase. read @THIZA's post of what nigerian president Jonathan said, it is actually telling you that nigerian military will be equal to or better than egypts military by the time we are done with modernization of weapons.

nigeria has purchased and is awaiting delivery starting from this year :

12 units of L-15 Falcon 4.5 generation supersonic trainer/light attack jet

4 units of Stealth guided missile warships

more units of Mi-35 helicopter gunships

35 sandcat MRAPS

200 mountain lion MRAPS

12 Fennec AS555 naval attack and anti-submarine helicopters

we are expecting decision on :

4.5 generation air superiority fighter (likely SU-30 Flanker or JF-17 Thunder)

decision has been made and we awaits contracts signing on :

AKASH SAM 35km range anti-aircraft missile and air defense integrated systems

there is a timeline of about 3 years from now for purchase of :

2 landing ships

1 mine-countermeasure ship

2 missile corvettes

10 long range maritime patrol helicopters

3 attack submarines.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4023&Itemid=363

nigeria is buying all the above because we are over-due for large scale weapons modernization as it happens to all military forces around the world. even israel, japan, and south korea are all due for military modernization especially their jet fighters and naval fleets.

south africa is NOT going to do any more major heavy weapons purchase for the until maybe after year 2035 when the Gripens, Valours, and Type 209s are due for overhaul or replacement/major upgrade due to obsolescence.

the reason countries buy weapons in peace time is to avoid obsolescence, not just for fancy the way you dream on your bed.

why should south africa waste tax payers money on new warships, helicopter gunships, sumbarines, etc ? why ?

due to lack of cash, south africa's 26 Gripen jets cannot be maintained and half is in cold room frozen storage. only maximum of 8 qualified pilots are available to fly 26 Gripens because of lack of money to fund training operations.

these whole south african air force Hawk jets, Rooivalk helicopter gunships, Gripen jets have not k.illed on single mosquito in the air since the over 7 years ago you purchased them.

south african navy Type 209 submarines and Valour Frigate warships have not fought combat against one single sardine fish in the ocean since over 7 years ago you bought them.

now you say south africa will buy more of these multi-billion dollar weapons, you must be under the influence of alcohol.....let the south african tax-payers and slum dwellers catch you.....100 zulu men will use machetes to perform a brain surgery on you @Fighter Pilot




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Why should we need Agaugust approval to buy weapons? We will continue to procure weapons even beyond 2020. After everything else has been realised we will start with new projects, among them plans to procure Aircraft carrier and a fleet of fifth generation fighters. As for project 2020, the treasury has already approved funds for those major projects to start as early as next year which will also create jobs for the poor as many ships will be built here.

NaijaPikinGidi:

Rather it looks to me that you are never going to challenge your brain beyond its factory-fitted 33% capacity to debate intelligently.

I will respond one last time ... the military DDI made an official statement that the senator you are refering to have failed to rebut! Stop offering us hearsays ... the Governor and Senator never went to Baga to verify the HRW and Amnesty stories that they blindly relied on. Once more kindly point to firsthand accounts/evidence by the Senator/Governor that are independent of the false international newsreports and stories. 200 ... 228 or whatever numbers you cite will remain for you to prove. 30 insurgents were killed while civilians and security forces shared the balance of the casualty figure.

You are so hopelessly helpless!

Stop wasting my time because you will never convince me with propaganda.

CNN has reported on this
BBC has touched it
AL-Jazeera investigated it and have all came with one common results which is 228 people killed.

Your senator visited the area and witnessed as the bodies were buried and came out to lash at your government for planting seed of propaganda for downplaying number of casualties.

South Africa knows, the world knows and even heaven above knows how many souls it received that day. May their soul rest in peace.

New Arms deal is forging ahead in South Africa because is part of government plan. Whether Agaugust likes it or not or DA . Project Hoefyster which will see SA procuring 250 new badgers is already in progress, perhaps hundred units have been build already. The afore-mentioned project will be followed by project Biro and Aorta to replace olifant tank and leopards next year. The funds have already been approved and it will not happen in 2035 as Agaugust speculated.

What I like about this new arms deal is that everything has been kept secret and Agaugust will just only rely on us for feedbacks about the new developments pertaining to the deal.

The DA has even complained about the secrecy of the deal which hold meetings behind closed doors.

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New arms deals shouldn't be discussed in secret - David Maynier
David Maynier
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DA MP writes to defence portfolio committee expressing his opposition to a "closed meeting" on the matter
No secret meeting on new arms deals for defence committee
I will be writing to the Chairperson of the Portfolio Committee on Defence and Military Veterans, StanleyMotimele, requesting him to explain why he has scheduled a "closed meeting" on defence acquisition on 23 July 2013.
The Portfolio Committee on Defence and Military Veterans oversight programmeincludes a briefing by the Department of Defence and Armscor between 09h00 and 16h00 on Tuesday 23 July 2013 at Defence Headquarters in Pretoria.
The purpose of the meeting according to the programme is to provide "a comprehensive briefing on the current defence acquisition plan and procedure; as well as defence materiél required for the Defence Force to perform its duties and missions."
However, the programme clearly indicates that the meeting will be a "closed meeting" because, according to the programme, "given the expected sensitive nature of information that will be presented to the Committee (and which is linked to defence and national security), approval to hold this meeting in camera will be sought from the Speaker of the National Assembly.
That a meeting has been scheduled on defence acquisition by the Portfolio Committee on Defence and Military Veterans is a positive development because for the past four years no detailed briefing on defence acquisition has been provided to Parliament.
The former Minsiter of Defence and Military Veterans, Lindiwe Sisulu, refused to disclose any information about project names, the goods and/or services being acquired, the delivery schedules, or budgets for any defence acquisition projects on the Strategic Capital Acquisition Master Plan.
The Secretary of Defence, Dr. Sam Gulube, consistently refuses to reply to questions about defence acquisition from members of the Portfolio Committee on Defence and Military Veterans. Details about defence acquisition are "not for public consumption" according to Dr. Gulube.
This is bizarre because there is a significant amount of information about existing defence acquisition projects such as "Project Hoefyster" (acquisition of infantry vehicles), "Project Saucepan" (acquisition of maritime surveillance aircraft) and "Project Biro" (acquisition of offshore patrol vessels) already in the public domain.
The Department of Defence will channel R27.2 billionthrough the Special Defence Account between 2009/10 and 2013/14. A significant proportion of thismoney is believed to be spent on defence acquisition. However, Parliament has never been briefed on how money, channelled through the Special Defence Account, has been spent.
I will, therefore, be writing to the Chairperson of the Portfolio Committee on Defence and Military Veterans, Stanley Motimele, requesting him to:
*.Disclose whether the Minister of Defence and Military Veterans, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, or the Chief of the South African National Defence Force, General Solly Shoke, or any other person requested a "closed meeting" on defence acquisition and, if so, to provided the committee with copies of all the relevant correspondence;
*.Disclose whether he has been in contact with the Speaker of the National Assembly, Max Sisulu, to request approval for a "closed meeting" and, if so, to provide the committee with copies of all the relevant correspondence; and
*.To provide justification to schedule a "closed meeting" on defence acquisition.
We are not going to sit back and allow the details of new arms deals to be swept under the carpet at Parliament.
Statement issued by David Maynier MP, DA Shadow Minister of Defence and Military Veterans, July 17 2013
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a bunch of paternalistic thieves.
Firstly you bunch of ignorami [ plural ] , what happened to the last load of stuff you bought that were essential to the safety and security of the country. Oh yes, forgive me, they are either in mothballs because nobody knows how to operate them or . .more
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Of course it should be secret....Top Secret!
I hear you David and spending needs to be checked but an open forum on ones defence capabilities is national suicide.
You are SUPPOSED to be a shadow minister of defence and you dont know that defence aquisition is not for public debate. If you ever . .more
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P & P I hope that you are not as stupid as you sound.Nobody doubts that military capabilities should be classified. What is in the public interest is the waste of tax money on equipment that cannot be used for whatever reason. Project Biro for instance; . .more
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@NaijapikinGidi


The federal government of Nigeria lied about the Baga massacre- Says the Senator:

http://www.africanspotlight.com/2013/04/27/govt-lied-228-people-were-killed-over-4000-houses-burnt-in-baga-senator-says-after-visit/

Just like to point out that Project Hoefyster calls for 1000 IFV of them 250 are badgers. The rest could be a nother badger order or more likly the cheaper ikwla. In total the army projecs call for

1000 IFV
3000 APC (RG35, RG protector, springbuck, ikwela apc version extra)
3000 logistcal support vechils (upgraded samils, mercadies, tatra, extra)
250 tanks (was ment to be the chalenger and leclar but the producstion line is closed for both products. So the lepard 2 is now the fron runner

All ready purchesd was 1800 modfied land crussiers for a border patrol vechiel.



O and the entier leadship of armscore was fired due to delays in these deals. The money was provided but they caused the delay.

this is what nigeria fought in liberia?

http://www.mensdomain.co.nz/item/liberian-infantry-tactics-review/

[img]http://www.mensdomain.co.nz/mensdomain/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/gangsta-6.jpg[/img]

andrewza: this is what nigeria fought in liberia?

http://www.mensdomain.co.nz/item/liberian-infantry-tactics-review/

[img]http://www.mensdomain.co.nz/mensdomain/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/gangsta-6.jpg[/img]

yeah right.. and that's the kind of people that chased you out of CAR that you packed your jets and helicopters and fled like scared babies.

chris365:

yeah right.. and that's the kind of people that chased you out of CAR that you packed your jets and helicopters and fled like scared babies.

Should i post the pick of the Seleka rebels, all had camo, maintained weapons, support weapons and were for the most part trained or veteran units.

We had no jets, helicopters or anything heavier than a 12.7mm MG. Nor did they they chase us out we left due to our mandate for being there being null and void. We offered our aid to FOMAC but still no response.

andrewza:

Should i post the pick of the Seleka rebels, all had camo, maintained weapons, support weapons and were for the most part trained or veteran units.

We had no jets, helicopters or anything heavier than a 12.7mm MG. Nor did they they chase us out we left due to our mandate for being there being null and void. We offered our aid to FOMAC but still no response.

o.. so now you have an explanation. after you scrambled jets and helics to Zambia(can't remember) only to flee after seeing what these child soldiers can do

andrewza:

Should i post the pick of the Seleka rebels, all had camo, maintained weapons, support weapons and were for the most part trained or veteran units.

We had no jets, helicopters or anything heavier than a 12.7mm MG.

....thats the reason why you cannot k.ill 800 seleka rebels and only 13 south African soldiers died, you were outnumbered and outgunned 10 times more.

....and seleka was not fighting with their hands chained to their backs


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chris365:

o.. so now you have an explanation. after you scrambled jets and helics to Zambia(can't remember) only to flee after seeing what these child soldiers can do

Those are from Chad by the way, i have posted the pics of the seleka some time ago.

We left because there was no order to go in, FOMAC, AU and the UN did not aprove any mission or ask for help. And they killed 15 for the loss of 800, that is pretty poor.

agaugust:


....thats the reason why you cannot k.ill 800 seleka rebels and only 13 south African soldiers died, you were outnumbered and outgunned 10 times more.

....and seleka was not fighting with their hands chained to their backs


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Why because nigeria can not do it, did you see the loss rate for cubans vs SADF for ops Hopper.

andrewza:

Those are from Chad by the way, i have posted the pics of the seleka some time ago.

We left because there was no order to go in, FOMAC, AU and the UN did not aprove any mission or ask for help. And they killed 15 for the loss of 800, that is pretty poor.

you see how you keep confusing yourself. did AU, FOMAC and UN approved your reinforcement when the crisis got hotter? now they killed you and chased you away you don't know what to blame anymore.

first it was france didn't allow you use the airport, FOMAC didn't support you, government got oppositions at home.... blah blah blah. can you stick to one please!

fact is that you fled after you encountered touch child soldiers from seleka. what would have happened had the men come out to kill

chris365:

you see how you keep confusing yourself. did AU, FOMAC and UN approved your reinforcement when the crisis got hotter? now they killed you and chased you away you don't know what to blame anymore.

first it was france didn't allow you use the airport, FOMAC didn't support you, government got oppositions at home.... blah blah blah. can you stick to one please!

fact is that you fled after you encountered touch child soldiers from seleka. what would have happened had the men come out to kill

They were not asked, but providing support to your solders under threat is different to sending in a invasion. When we left there was zero threat to us and a cease fire was in effect.

No FOMAC did not want our help, we offered but they did not want to remove selka. CAR is not in SADC any destination must be under theres, AU or UN mandate. And FOMAC were a bunch of cowards who ran away.

No we withdrew from a pointless situation that we had no legal obligastion to be in, our agreement was with bozzie and he was gone. And most of the people we fought were men. hell most of the kids were 16 or older, rhodsia had 16 year old soldiers

But i have mentioned this before

Fighter Pilot: @NaijapikinGidi


The federal government of Nigeria lied about the Baga massacre- Says the Senator:

http://www.africanspotlight.com/2013/04/27/govt-lied-228-people-were-killed-over-4000-houses-burnt-in-baga-senator-says-after-visit/

You mean alJazeera is now a wing of Nigerian government? SMH. You are stuck in your mischievious intentions by making such false claims. You are also wasting your time as far as you cannot show where all your international news and newspapers have provided firsthand on-the-scene evidence to rebut the solid evidence by the military DDI and corroborated by alJazeera. Whatever your intentions ... this is not Marikana you bloody terrorist sympathiser!!

Enjoy!

Fighter Pilot:

Stop wasting my time because you will never convince me with propaganda.

CNN has reported on this
BBC has touched it
AL-Jazeera investigated it and have all came with one common results which is 228 people killed.

Your senator visited the area and witnessed as the bodies were buried and came out to lash at your government for planting seed of propaganda for downplaying number of casualties.

South Africa knows, the world knows and even heaven above knows how many souls it received that day. May their soul rest in peace.

Claims like yours that come without firsthand on-the-scene sources are simply untenable. You are so dumb that you cite alJazeera in support of your baseless tales, whereas I have provided evidence from the same alJazeera that confirms the military's account of Baga!! Provide us with the CNN, BBC and alJazeera sources that rebut the military's evidence and stop wasting your time! Desperado!

andrewza:

Those are from Chad by the way, i have posted the pics of the seleka some time ago.

We left because there was no order to go in, FOMAC, AU and the UN did not aprove any mission or ask for help. And they killed 15 SANDF for the loss of 800 seleka, that is pretty poor.

[size=14pt]Susette Gates Conspiracy : how seleka rebels spared the lives of south african soldiers[/size]



contrary to claims by south africans that their army killed 500, then 600, and finally adjusted figure to 800 seleka rebels, the truth if logically proved that the south africans actually surrendered or begged the seleka rebels to allow them to escape in peace to the airport to come under french army protection.

QUOTE :

"Parliamentarians also warmly clapped when informed of the bravery of another female, Susette Gates, who works in the South African National Defence Force (SANDF)

She was confronted by the rebels who wanted to take the bags she’d retrieved. But she convinced them that she was carrying clothes left behind. She hitch hiked to the airport with French troops. "


SOURCE

http://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/parly-applauds-heroines-bravery

south african army did not kill any 500 or 600 or 800 seleka rebels otherwise the rebels in anger would have killed Susette Gates out of anger and revenge. only few rebels were killed, maybe about 100.

i had a battlefield simulation done with a retired combat soldier who has real life battlefield experience of infantry warfare, and a good knowledge of the american-somalia rebels firefight called 'black hawk down'.

conclusion was that there is no way south african army will lose 13 men while seleka rebels will lose 800 men to create a new world record infantry combat kill ratio of 1:61, that will be a new world record he said.

we looked critically at the weapons the seleka rebels had :

14.5mm double barrel anti-aircraft guns mobile truck mounted with firing range of about 5km and firing rate of about 1,000 rounds of ammunition in 5 minutes and it can pierce through light armour vehicles, for a human body it will tear the soldier into pieces.

105mm mobile anti-tank bazooka rocket launchers with range of about 2km and its rockets can pierce through heavy armour vehicles.

general purpose machine guns with range about 2km and rate of fire 5,000 bullets in 5 minutes.

AK-47 rifles were also used by the estimated 2,500 seleka force against the estimated 250 man south african army force.

the senior commanders of seleka are said to have at least average army military training in chad before their rebellion.

the south africans were out numbered in ratio 10 men against 1.

the seleka rebels used element of surprise attack because the south africans were not expecting them.

seleka was fighting at home and had advantage of knowledge of all the land and bush routes the south africans could use.

seleka rebels knew all the escape routes the south african army could use to escape and had blocked it, that is why corporal Nkoana went through hidden bush paths and still fell into the hands of seleka rebels who spared her life.

the seleka rebels did not need to get close to the south africans before wiping them out, their base was known and the mobile anti-aircraft guns with deadly amour piercing rapid firepower can tear the south africans into pieces from a distance of 1km away.

we simulated and discovered that with the above, the south african army can never kill 800 seleka rebels and lose only 13 men in about 18 hours of fighting.

as a form of simulation control/comparison, we related the battle of bangui to the american army battle against north korea in 'task force smith' 1950 korean war, where america was outnumbered in this same ratio 10:1, with 400 american specially selected soldiers against 4,000 regular north korean soldiers in the infantry encounter. in a few hours of combat 200 of the 400 american soldiers were dead or wounded and they retreated fast away from the battle field.

task force smith experience in war teaches world armies that you can never have a high kill ratio against a superior enemy unless their hands are tied to their backs with chains. you are more likely to lose the war to superior numbers and superior weapons, you cannot turn that situation around unless you chain the hands of the superior force so that you can k.ill them defenseless

in vietnam war 1965 to 1974, despite the awesome american land sea and air firepower superior to the communists, the kill ratio is estimated at 2:3, in favour of america/allies.

they did fight, but the south african army surrendered after losing the said 13 soldiers or likely even more, to avoid being totally wiped out, they surrendered to seleka and negotiated for a safe passage out of the area, that is clear from the fact that SANDF Susette Gates met with the seleka rebels they were said to be fighting with and she merely talked with them and they let her walk away without any harassment ! surely south african army had begged seleka to spare their lives and promised to leave CAR forever and never come back, for this reason, the rebels did not kill more of them and let them go free.

the south african propaganda kill ratio of 1:61 in their own favour, is a historical fraud in the history of war where the the so called winner is heavily out numbered and out gunned and also caught by surprise in a foreign territory they don not know well

andrewza:

Why because nigeria can not do it, did you see the loss rate for cubans vs SADF for ops Hopper.

i am not going to repeat my posts on bush war, south africa did not set any Guinness World Record K.ill R.atio against Cuba. its the same usual south african war casualties propaganda lies about being heavily outnumbered and outgunned and yet k.illing the enemy in history changing records supernatural ratios that even america could not achieve with superior weapons in Vietnam war.

go tell lies to your kids at home. we here are grown up adults who think clearly.

.

andrewza: this is what nigeria fought in liberia?

http://www.mensdomain.co.nz/item/liberian-infantry-tactics-review/

[img]http://www.mensdomain.co.nz/mensdomain/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/gangsta-6.jpg[/img]

[size=16pt]Over 50,000 of these Liberian Rebels fought against Nigerian Army [/size]



liberian civil war which nigeria fought is 10 times more d.eadly than CAR seleka war of south africa. nigerian army fought phase one in the cities and villages, and phase two inside deep west african equatorial rain forest jungles of d.eath

it is easier to fight a regular national army whom you can see, identify and locate, than to fight drug/hemp smoking juju/magic charms carrying and human flesh eating cannibal rebel army who never obey any international laws of war and hide in tens of thousands inside thick jungles/forests.....why did mighty American army avoid fighting in liberia, and great British army avoid intervention in sierra leone when the jungle war was raging at its peak for many years ?


the Americans and British armies have not forgotten the h.orror of jungle warfare in Burma and Vietnam, they leave Nigerian army alone to enter the forests of h.orror in liberia and sierra leone wars.


Nigeria won all these wars in clear victories....world recognized



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlL1SBZfz20



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOR-TECGbpc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaLSzjfyUiA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwI5unlK9M

Augustine Again:



[size=14pt]Susette Gates Conspiracy : how seleka rebels spared the lives of south african soldiers[/size]



contrary to claims by south africans that their army killed 500, then 600, and finally adjusted figure to 800 seleka rebels, the truth if logically proved that the south africans actually surrendered or begged the seleka rebels to allow them to escape in peace to the airport to come under french army protection.

QUOTE :

"Parliamentarians also warmly clapped when informed of the bravery of another female, Susette Gates, who works in the South African National Defence Force (SANDF)

She was confronted by the rebels who wanted to take the bags she’d retrieved. But she convinced them that she was carrying clothes left behind. She hitch hiked to the airport with French troops. "


SOURCE

http://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/parly-applauds-heroines-bravery

south african army did not kill any 500 or 600 or 800 seleka rebels otherwise the rebels in anger would have killed Susette Gates out of anger and revenge. only few rebels were killed, maybe about 100.

i had a battlefield simulation done with a retired combat soldier who has real life battlefield experience of infantry warfare, and a good knowledge of the american-somalia rebels firefight called 'black hawk down'.

conclusion was that there is no way south african army will lose 13 men while seleka rebels will lose 800 men to create a new world record infantry combat kill ratio of 1:61, that will be a new world record he said.

we looked critically at the weapons the seleka rebels had :

14.5mm double barrel anti-aircraft guns mobile truck mounted with firing range of about 5km and firing rate of about 1,000 rounds of ammunition in 5 minutes and it can pierce through light armour vehicles, for a human body it will tear the soldier into pieces.

105mm mobile anti-tank bazooka rocket launchers with range of about 2km and its rockets can pierce through heavy armour vehicles.

general purpose machine guns with range about 2km and rate of fire 5,000 bullets in 5 minutes.

AK-47 rifles were also used by the estimated 2,500 seleka force against the estimated 250 man south african army force.

the senior commanders of seleka are said to have at least average army military training in chad before their rebellion.

the south africans were out numbered in ratio 10 men against 1.

the seleka rebels used element of surprise attack because the south africans were not expecting them.

seleka was fighting at home and had advantage of knowledge of all the land and bush routes the south africans could use.

seleka rebels knew all the escape routes the south african army could use to escape and had blocked it, that is why corporal Nkoana went through hidden bush paths and still fell into the hands of seleka rebels who spared her life.

the seleka rebels did not need to get close to the south africans before wiping them out, their base was known and the mobile anti-aircraft guns with deadly amour piercing rapid firepower can tear the south africans into pieces from a distance of 1km away.

we simulated and discovered that with the above, the south african army can never kill 800 seleka rebels and lose only 13 men in about 18 hours of fighting.

as a form of simulation control/comparison, we related the battle of bangui to the american army battle against north korea in 'task force smith' 1950 korean war, where america was outnumbered in this same ratio 10:1, with 400 american specially selected soldiers against 4,000 regular north korean soldiers in the infantry encounter. in a few hours of combat 200 of the 400 american soldiers were dead or wounded and they retreated fast away from the battle field.

task force smith experience in war teaches world armies that you can never have a high kill ratio against a superior enemy unless their hands are tied to their backs with chains. you are more likely to lose the war to superior numbers and superior weapons, you cannot turn that situation around unless you chain the hands of the superior force so that you can k.ill them defenseless

in vietnam war 1965 to 1974, despite the awesome american land sea and air firepower superior to the communists, the kill ratio is estimated at 2:3, in favour of america/allies.

they did fight, but the south african army surrendered after losing the said 13 soldiers or likely even more, to avoid being totally wiped out, they surrendered to seleka and negotiated for a safe passage out of the area, that is clear from the fact that SANDF Susette Gates met with the seleka rebels they were said to be fighting with and she merely talked with them and they let her walk away without any harassment ! surely south african army had begged seleka to spare their lives and promised to leave CAR forever and never come back, for this reason, the rebels did not kill more of them and let them go free.

the south african propaganda kill ratio of 1:61 in their own favour, is a historical fraud in the history of war where the the so called winner is heavily out numbered and out gunned and also caught by surprise in a foreign territory they don not know well

stope recycling your old posts that have been addressed many moons ago. if you have nothing new to say dont speak

Augustine Again:



[size=16pt]Over 50,000 of these Liberian Rebels fought against Nigerian Army [/size]



liberian civil war which nigeria fought is 10 times more d.eadly than CAR seleka war of south africa. nigerian army fought phase one in the cities and villages, and phase two inside deep west african equatorial rain forest jungles of d.eath

it is easier to fight a regular national army whom you can see, identify and locate, than to fight drug/hemp smoking juju/magic charms carrying and human flesh eating cannibal rebel army who never obey any international laws of war and hide in tens of thousands inside thick jungles/forests.....why did mighty American army avoid fighting in liberia, and great British army avoid intervention in sierra leone when the jungle war was raging at its peak for many years ?


the Americans and British armies have not forgotten the h.orror of jungle warfare in Burma and Vietnam, they leave Nigerian army alone to enter the forests of h.orror in liberia and sierra leone wars.


Nigeria won all these wars in clear victories....world recognized



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlL1SBZfz20



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOR-TECGbpc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaLSzjfyUiA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwI5unlK9M

Are you trying to be miss leading on purpos?

50 000 rebels but they never attacked with all 50 000, seleka is 8000 now thought to be 12 000 strong of that 8000 SA fought 3000.

Next how many nigerian solders. Were there and with what gear.

Liberia and serrie leon were a joke. Rebels so high and brain washed that they though they were built proof and did not know how to aim. Yes real hard.

andrewza:

stope recycling your old posts that have been addressed many moons ago. if you have nothing new to say dont speak

stop recycling your old posts of seleka rebels vs south african army k.ill ratio 13:800 that has been adressed months ago. if you have no new independent source like Reuters/VOA/BBC/RFI/DW news media giving out a reliable casualty figure, dont speak.

andrewza:

Those are from Chad by the way, i have posted the pics of the seleka some time ago.

We left because there was no order to go in, FOMAC, AU and the UN did not aprove any mission or ask for help.

And they killed 15 for the loss of 800, that is pretty poor.

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andrewza:


Are you trying to be miss leading on purpos?

50 000 rebels but they never attacked with all 50 000, seleka is 8000 now thought to be 12 000 strong of that 8000 SA fought 3000.

Next how many nigerian solders. Were there and with what gear.

Liberia and serrie leon were a joke. Rebels so high and brain washed that they though they were built proof and did not know how to aim. Yes real hard.

you can c.ollapse with envy because nigeria succeeded where south africa failed trying the same stunt.

some sources related to United Nations disarmament programme quote liberian rebels and ex-government soldiers were close to 100,000 fighters at the end of the war. i deliberately cut down the rebel estimate of about 80,000 to 50,000 by my own will. its foolish for anyone to then say i mis-inform.


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"The United Nations Mission in Liberia (UNMIL) have completed the disarmament of 100,000 ex-combatants from LURD, MODEL and the ex-government of Liberia"


SOURCE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberians_United_for_Reconciliation_and_Democracy

i dont care if they a.tacked in brigades or in battalions. about 10,000 nigerian army faced about 50,000 liberian rebels. nigeria defeated them in city and urban warfare, the rebels retreated into the thick jungles/forests and nigerian army went into the forests to fight them there, we did not return back home for fear of death like south african army in CAR.

even if seleka outnumbered you and beat south african army first battle, your soldiers should have gone back to CAR with new reinforcement and heavy weapons to regain your national pride instead of coming here to tell us fairy tales on nairaland.

south africa is the only country in the world that i know who manufactures so many modern weapons also importing billions of dollars worth of the best european weapons and yet her soldiers do not want to fight and d.ie like real men.

mandela's boys are just a bunch of cowardly army of soldeirs who do the job to get monthly salaries and cannot defend the pride of south african nation.

chicken hearted mofos !



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Augustine Again:


you can c.ollapse with envy if you wish.

some sources related to United Nations disarmament programme quote liberian rebels and ex-government soldiers were close to 100,000 fighters at the end of the war. i deliberately cut down the rebel estimate of about 80,000 to 50,000 by my own will. its foolish for anyone to then say i mis-inform.


QUOTE

"The United Nations Mission in Liberia (UNMIL) have completed the disarmament of 100,000 ex-combatants from LURD, MODEL and the ex-government of Liberia"


SOURCE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberians_United_for_Reconciliation_and_Democracy

i dont care if they a.tacked in brigades or in battalions. about 10,000 nigerian army faced about 50,000 liberian rebels. nigeria defeated them in city and urban warfare, the rebels retreated into the thick jungles/forests and nigerian army went into the forests to fight them there, we did not return back home for fear of death like south african army in CAR.

even if seleka outnumbered you and beat south african army first battle, your soldiers should have gone back to CAR with new reinforcement and heavy weapons to regain your national pride instead of coming here to tell us fairy tales on nairaland.

south africa is the only country in the world that i know who manufactures so many modern weapons also importing billions of dollars worth of the best european weapons and yet her soldiers do not want to fight and d.ie like real men.

mandela's boys are just a bunch of cowardly army of soldeirs who do the job to get monthly salaries and cannot defend the pride of south african nation.

chicken hearted mofos !

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Having failed to advance the debate, Mr Seleka revisits old posts. You're getting boring, Mr Seleka. All these posts were killed a lifetime ago, just like Boko Haram killed your men.

Give us something new, will you? We don't want to have to repeat ourselves, now.

As for your Liberia rubbish, it doesn't change the fact that you have no capacity today.

Last time I checked, it was Naai-geria's soldiers that cried and asked to be sent back home while on mission? Last time I checked, it was Naai-geria that had crying soldiers and a crying president?

CraigB:

Having failed to advance the debate, Mr Seleka revisits old posts. You're getting boring, Mr Seleka. All these posts were killed a lifetime ago, just like Boko Haram killed your men.

Give us something new, will you? We don't want to have to repeat ourselves, now.

As for your Liberia rubbish, it doesn't change the fact that you have no capacity today.

Last time I checked, it was Naai-geria's soldiers that cried and asked to be sent back home while on mission? Last time I checked, it was Naai-geria that had crying soldiers and a crying president?

ya know what kid ? andrew and i are engaged in technical military argument...but ya got zero military knowledge in ya fragile s.kull, so go drink ya mama's lactose. andrew dont dare tell me boko hram defeated nigerian army, cuz he knows am gonna ask him whats definition of defeat according to the south african military academy he graduated from.

this talk is too high for your sea bottom level kid....go play video games with ya buddies at hillbrow

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Augustine Again:

ya know what kid ? andrew and i are engaged in technical military argument...but ya got zero military knowledge in ya fragile s.kull, so go drink ya mama's lactose. andrew dont dare tell me boko hram defeated nigerian army, cuz he knows am gonna ask him whats definition of defeat according to the south african military academy he graduated from.

this talk is too high for your sea bottom level kid....go play video games with ya buddies at hillbrow

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Better a kid than an old, ignorant imbecïle. If I have zero military knowledge, you have 0.02 military knowledge. The 0.02 representing your dreams and desires. There's nothing technical about your past near-glory arguments.

You have no peacekeeping capacity today. No ability to do anything.

Jump up and down. Run across the Sahara. Burn mosques and synagogues. The fact remains. You're stuck in the wilderness of the North of your country, chasing and getting bliksemmed by Boko Haram. There's nothing you can do for Africa. You need saving and it's only a matter of time before the US saves you.

South Africa is in the DRC as we speak. You abandoned your missions. Don't tell us about some Liberia nonsense that has no bearing on the here and now.

CraigB:

Having failed to advance the debate, Mr Seleka revisits old posts. You're getting boring, Mr Seleka. All these posts were killed a lifetime ago, just like Boko Haram killed your men.

Give us something new, will you? We don't want to have to repeat ourselves, now.

As for your Liberia rubbish, it doesn't change the fact that you have no capacity today.

Last time I checked, it was Naai-geria's soldiers that cried and asked to be sent back home while on mission? Last time I checked, it was Naai-geria that had crying soldiers and a crying president?

read it and weep.

Why Jonathan Deserved Our Highest National Honours By Malian Interim President
http://www.informationng.com/2013/08/why-jonathan-deserved-our-highest-national-honours-by-malian-interim-president.html


how can we fail and still be given the highest honor in the Mali? your dumb response is needed please.

we accomplished our mission in Mali and ddidn't see the reason for our troops to stay on peacekeeping when they could still enforce it at home. eat sawdust if you feel otherwise.