agaugust: decision to attack M23 rebels.....UN civilian/political leadership

rules of engagement of M23 rebels.....UN civilian/political leadership/military advisers

order to attack M23 rebels.......Brazilian Commander MONUSCO

strategic battlefield plan to attack M23 rebels......Tanzanian commander

tactical battlefield plan to attack M23 rebels.....Tanzanian commander

responsibility for combat victory over M23 rebels....Tanzanian commander

execution of overall war plans......Tanzanian commander

order to battalion commanders to engage M23 rebels....Tanzanian commander

responsibility to engage and defeat M23 rebels.....FIB soldiers under Tanzanian commander

responsibility to obey all battle orders and respect Tanzanian chain of command....inferior South African army moving behind superior Tanzanian army that will do will do most of the fighting.

that is how UN intervention works. FACT !!! go start your research from UN KOREAN WARINTERVENTION and end with MONUSCO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Command

The Tanzanian general does not do strategising and planing alone. He will do that with other contigent commanders from SA, Tanzania, Malawi and military advisers(intelligence) in the presence of the man on top "Brazilian".

[size=16pt]south africa's DENEL equipped army must obey orders from their Tanzanian boss..FACT ![/size]

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all falling apart now.

Defeated and losing your mind.

Fighter Pilot:

The Tanzanian general does not do strategising and plans alone. He will do that with other contigent commanders from SA, Tanzania, Malawi and military advisers(intelligence) in the presence of the man on top "Brazilian".

the Tanzanian General will simulate and draw his war plans and a few others including the Brazilian General will only contribute opinions, if the Tanzanian sees reasons to accept their input, he will, but if not , he wont....the UN mandate is on the Tanzanian to defeat the rebels on battlefield...not on paper drawings...he will fight the way he knows.

Tanzania has great war history of defeating Libya and Uganda two powerful countries with one single blow in a full scale war. GREAT FACT !!

Brazil has zero war history in modern times and Brazil has never fired one bullet in any war ! FACTUAL FACT !!!

UN knows why they chose Tanzania to lead war instead of inexperienced and incompetent Brazil or South Africa. MORE FACT !!


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agaugust:

the Tanzanian General will simulate draw his war plans and a few others including the Brazilian General will only contribute opinions, if the Tanzanian sees reasons to accept their input, he will, but if not , he wont....the UN mandate is on the Tanzanian to defeat the rebels on battlefield...not on paper drawings...he will fight the way he knows.

Tanzania has great war history of defeating Libya and Uganda two powerful countries with one single blow in a full scale war. GREAT FACT !!

Brazil has zero war history in modern times and Brazil has never fired one bullet in any war ! FACTUAL FACT !!!

UN knows why they chose Tanzania to lead war instead of inexperienced and incompetent Brazil or South Africa. MORE FACT !!


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As expected, you are now foaming in the mouth. I am sure you'll post a Seleka picture in no time.


Nevertheless, Brig Gen Mwakibolwa, with more than three decades of experience as a general in the Tanzania Peoples’ Defence Force, is quick to emphasize that while he heads the brigade, he is not the head of the UN force in the country.

“We are part of MONUSCO and our instructions come from the Force Commander of MONUSCO,” Brig Gen Mwakibolwa stressed. “How, where and at what time it will happen depends on the Force Commander.”


1. How

2. Where

3. What time

1 + 2 + 3 = The Brazilian's instructions. Deal with it.

No one cares about your arguments of history and accompanying rubbish at this point.

UN also knows then, why they overlooked Nigeria in Mali.

agaugust: Mechanized Battalion....Congo DRC war

LWKMD

no wonder A small force of M23 alone is giving them headache

chris365:

LWKMD

no wonder A small force of M23 alone is giving them headache

Same could be said of the small Boko Haram. Not so?

Yeah - run along Augustine Monkey.

agaugust:

[size=16pt]south africa's DENEL equipped army must obey orders from their Tanzanian boss..FACT ![/size]

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If that is how your attitude is channelled, then I pity Nigeria because it has gone through thousands of missions under the command of Generals other than Nigerian born.

Losers always resort to childish games to sooth themselves from shame. I won't doubt to serve under a foreign general. India, Ukraine, etc in Congo are still under the command of a Brazilian. So, what is your point? Just for once try to be objective and earn the respect you deserve. Your fellow countrymen are losing the respect for you by bits, so pull up your socks and start reasoning, or should we say that is the end of you. Come on Agaugust, I hope you can do much better.

CAMEROONPRIDE: dont mind the retards , they think I posted the link to claim shekau's death lma...the link is there to expose the NA army and her lies, the link is there to close your mouths , it is clear that your army is unprofessional, not trained , no discipline whatsoever..in fact all the succes reported against Bokoharam might lies abi? And they are praising an institution that even a blind man won't trust?.eh eh
Last bullet, all the verified actions/missions against bokoharam have been carried by the joint force composed of ? U guessed right foreign armies...jokers. I doubt the USA will call anyone to help them tackle an insurrection on their territory. The NA is simply useless and the Naijans here are empty barrels. The people that have been worked with ur army all have one thing to say: lack of discipline.
Na my foot

You keep disgracing yourself!

CraigB:

Same could be said of the small Boko Haram. Not so?

Not just a headache they are getting bleksemmed every weekend is boko haram feast

Fighter Pilot:

If that is how your attitude is channelled, then I pity Nigeria because it has gone through thousands of missions under the command of Generals other than Nigerian born.

Losers always resort to childish games to sooth themselves from shame. I won't doubt to serve under a foreign general. India, Ukraine, etc in Congo are still under the command of a Brazilian. So, what is your point? Just for once try to be objective and earn the respect you deserve. Your fellow countrymen are losing the respect for you by bits, so pull up your socks and start reasoning, or should we say that is the end of you. Come on Agaugust, I hope you can do much better.

bros please eat the humble pie....the whole of south africa is now saluting Tanzania

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agaugust:

bros please eat the humble pie....the whole of south africa is now saluting Tanzania

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A 40+ year old father of three talking out his bum. Even the Tanzanian commander has told you that you are talking rubbish.

You need to humble yourself or you'll forever abandon missions.

swanky@vodamail:
Not just a headache they are getting bleksemmed every weekend is boko haram feast

Exactly that.

Fighter Pilot:

Is seems to me that you do not know the difference between peace keeping (MONUSCO) and enforcement (FIB). Enforcement is temporary and in business we would say that it is a project and peace keeping is a process which takes long, that's would be referred to as operations in business. Once everything subsided the enforcement mission will revert back to peace keeping mission. The FIB is not independent from MONUSCO, it remains an inherent feature of it.

you do know it's not about M23 alone. Unless you want to tell me the FIB will be dissloved before all rebel groups are disarmed(which will be nearly impossible)

am not wishing for the war to continue(God knows i'm tired of all theses African wars), but don't expect those rebels to disarm until there's a political solution.

Take for instance, only troops were requested. Now the UN wants more helic gunships.

I'm just saying that the UN is not ready to resolve the crisis cos the powers that hold the UN are beneficiaries of the DRC conflicts.

CraigB:

Exactly that.

Yet they come here chest beating as if they are the best thing to happen in africa by the way what do you expert from fellows who had never know freedom of speech until 14 years ago

Fighter Pilot:

The Tanzanian general does not do strategising and planing alone. He will do that with other contigent commanders from SA, Tanzania, Malawi and military advisers(intelligence) in the presence of the man on top "Brazilian".

When the word consultation was used it was you who came blabbing for nothing. I wonder what you are driving so desperately to achieve.

swanky@vodamail:
Yet they come here chest beating as if they are the best thing to happen in africa by the way what do you expert from fellows who had never know freedom of speech until 14 years ago

The mind boggles, Swanky.

One can only waste so much time playing with monkeys. Time to work.

I miss GOMA and KINDU, the lake kivu which is just at the back of SA base. Our Airforce base was a bit far from SA base. The Nyiragongo volcano mountain and all those untidy makets. Those Piki Piki(Motor Bikes) which are used as taxis. I miss all my Rafiki(friends) there and the language (Kiswahili) is what I miss the most. Mimi Nina kumbuka Congo sana. Mina taka Ku enda Congo mi seme na watu Wa Goma. Lol!! That's a kiswahili.

agaugust:

bros please eat the humble pie....the whole of south africa is now saluting Tanzania

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OMG!! I cannot believe that you are the legacy of the think tanks like Chinua Achebe and Wole Soyinka. The Nobel man Ngugi Wa thiongo is highly needed to turn you into a think tank.

With this embarrassment.

Chinua Achebe must be turning in his grave.

Fighter Pilot: I miss GOMA and KINDU, the lake kivu which is just at the back of SA base. Our Airforce base was a bit far from SA base. The Nyiragongo volcano mountain and all those untidy makets. Those Piki Piki(Motor Bikes) which are used as taxis. I miss all my Rafiki(friends) there and the language (Kiswahili) is what I miss the most. Mimi Nina kumbuka Congo sana. Mina taka Ku enda Congo mi seme na watu Wa Goma. Lol!! That's a kiswahili.

In that case then, you'll enjoy Monusco's flickr page below.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/monusco/

CraigB:

In that case then, you'll enjoy Monusco's flickr page below.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/monusco/

Thanks CraigB.

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Congolese 'Necklace' ....try wear this type to a party

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Congo war kid...this small boy can capture both @andrewza and @fighter pilot
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Our colours in life and creed!

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Congo war kid...this small boy can capture both @andrewza and @fighter pilot
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40+ years of age. Playing games.

I have seen the project accompanying the picture. It has nothing to do with the DRC.

You are an idîot.

agaugust:

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Congolese 'Necklace' ....try wear this type to a party

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It's a pity that DRC, which ordinarily should be a trillion dollar economy or africa's largest economy is embroiled in an un-ending civil war. DRC allows herself to be constantly bullied by Rwanda, a nation 20 times smaller than DRC. They call the conflict in DRC, africa's world war. True pity.

andrewza:

no it is not, you got 6m free space that alone is to litel. but there will be landing crew on the bridge, they will need a few metters of free space. the risks are just to great.

and your source does not state the jayhawk ever landed on a USCG hamilton class cutter. They have many more vesseals.

you dont need a source to do simple mathematical calculation of 24m-17.5m = 6.5m.

american Jayhawk helicopter at 19.76m is longer than nigerian Mi-35 Hind helicopter at 17.5m

i told you that nigerian NNS Thunder is Hamiliton class cutter in america and the americans land Jayhawk Helicopters on that same ship and sail with it from america to persian gulf of iran with NO problems and no risk of helicopter accident.

only your south african helicopter pilots are so poorly skilled and cannot land a 17.5m Mi-35 Hind helicopter on a 24m flight deck. foolish 33% brain south african airforce pilots.

"Between 1985 and 1992 all Hamilton-class cutters underwent FRAM (Fleet Rehabilitation and Modernization) which entailed the upgrading and standardization of the ship's propulsion systems. In addition, the flight deck and hangar were modified to accommodate an HH-60J Jayhawk SAR helicopter.

The Hamilton-class cutters are capable of embarking either a single HH-65 Dolphin or HH-60J Jayhawk helicopter."

http://tech.military.com/equipment/view/89165/hamilton-class-high-endurance-cutter.html

NNS Thunder will carry Mi-35 Hind helicopter gunship with ease...see photo of so much free space the Augusta 109 Helicopter cannot even occupy. simple mathematics 24m-17.5m = 6.5m

now @andrewza, you should apologize to everybody on this forum for your foolish and deliberate mis-information

Jayhawk america


Augusta nigeria

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NaijaPikinGidi:

Three deployments to ... Soweto to guard poultry farms? You must be kidding!

This comming from a man who would shoot him self if gived a firearm.

Henry120: The Fact remains whether you like it or not, the tanzanian general is ordering your troops around, like a master to his dog.

Fighter pilot and andrewza, when are you guys getting deployed to DRC? The tanzanian is there waiting to order you guyz around like a flock of sheep.

See unlike nigerians the SANDF is a dissplinded force and has no problems work with outher countries milltarys, I even saluted the brow of NNS thund and a NN officer.

Fighter pilot has all ready said he has deployed 3 times. I work on a ship. No oceans near goma.

agaugust:

you dont need a source to do simple mathematical calculation of 24m-17.5m = 6.5m.

american Jayhawk helicopter at 19.76m is longer than nigerian Mi-35 Hind helicopter at 17.5m

i told you that nigerian NNS Thunder is Hamiliton class cutter in america and the americans land Jayhawk Helicopters on that same ship and sail with it from america to persian gulf of iran with NO problems and no risk of helicopter accident.

only your south african helicopter pilots are so poorly skilled and cannot land a 17.5m Mi-35 Hind helicopter on a 24m flight deck. foolish 33% brain south african airforce pilots.

"Between 1985 and 1992 all Hamilton-class cutters underwent FRAM (Fleet Rehabilitation and Modernization) which entailed the upgrading and standardization of the ship's propulsion systems. In addition, the flight deck and hangar were modified to accommodate an HH-60J Jayhawk SAR helicopter.

The Hamilton-class cutters are capable of embarking either a single HH-65 Dolphin or HH-60J Jayhawk helicopter."

http://tech.military.com/equipment/view/89165/hamilton-class-high-endurance-cutter.html

NNS Thunder will carry Mi-35 Hind helicopter gunship with ease...see photo of so much free space the Augusta 109 Helicopter cannot even occupy. simple mathematics 24m-17.5m = 6.5m

now @andrewza, you should apologize to everybody on this forum for your foolish and deliberate mis-information

Jayhawk america


Augusta nigeria

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Ok. But you will not carry a hind. It has zero naval sytms, no floastion sytem, straps or any thing. And even the jayhawk can only land in calm weather.

agaugust:

the Tanzanian General will simulate and draw his war plans and a few others including the Brazilian General will only contribute opinions, if the Tanzanian sees reasons to accept their input, he will, but if not , he wont....the UN mandate is on the Tanzanian to defeat the rebels on battlefield...not on paper drawings...he will fight the way he knows.

Tanzania has great war history of defeating Libya and Uganda two powerful countries with one single blow in a full scale war. GREAT FACT !!

Brazil has zero war history in modern times and Brazil has never fired one bullet in any war ! FACTUAL FACT !!!

UN knows why they chose Tanzania to lead war instead of inexperienced and incompetent Brazil or South Africa. MORE FACT !!


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I think you must attend any military academy so that you will understand how the war strategies whether offensive or defensive get to be planned. No general will not come with his already prepared documents from his back yard, all parties will have their contribution as far as planning is concerned. The intelligence play a very crucial role because they have information about the enermy, their strength, kind of weapons they use, their location, their language, etc.

With regard to the inexperienced SA and Brazil that one I am not going to entertain because we both know where Tanzania stands with regard to combat history. The Tanzanian general might have been appointed on the grounds that he is Kiswahili speaker, has extensive knowledge about Jungle warfare and understand the culture of Congo better than anyone. The eastern part of Congo are Kiswahili speakers and do not understand any English language, majority speak French, hence in negotiations with rebels the Tanzanian general will become an excellent asset.

With regard to the command of special forces, generals do not bother much about them because those ones are operators. Every special force member can operate on his own without commands from anyone, they usually come in contact with the enermy without being noticed and they have their own intelligence and plans which must be integrated to the strategy.