agaugust:

how does a few units of 46 south african G6 artillery firing some useless 70km shell range defeat a nigerian army with 150,000 soldiers and about 5,000 armoured vehicles/tanks/harsh terrain troop transport trucks ?

nigerian army has 660 artillery guns, plus about 400 mortar artilley , and add about 150 rocket artillery.

some nigerian artillery has range up to 30km like Palmaria, why has the longer range not defeated boko haram ?

who told you that 70km range artillery is the magic weapon for winning a war ?

how many wives does your daddy have...because i dont know who is 'doing' you kolomental remote mind control

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First 1. Boko Haram is not in an conventional war against Nigeria. Second. 3. That would be the case if Nigeria engages SA. Third 3. In a conventional warfare counter battery fire will destroy your artillery pieces. Forth 4. All your howitzers remain out ranged by the G7 105mm howitzer.

agaugust:

how does a few units of 46 south african G6 artillery firing some useless 70km shell range defeat a nigerian army with 150,000 soldiers and about 5,000 armoured vehicles/tanks/harsh terrain troop transport trucks ?

nigerian army has 660 artillery guns, plus about 400 mortar artilley , and add about 150 rocket artillery.

some nigerian artillery has range up to 30km like Palmaria, why has the longer range not defeated boko haram ?

who told you that 70km range artillery is the magic weapon for winning a war ?

how many wives does your daddy have...because i dont know who is 'doing' you kolomental remote mind control

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First 1. Boko Haram is not in an conventional war against Nigeria. Second. 3. That would be the case if Nigeria engages SA. Third 3. In a conventional warfare counter battery fire will destroy your artillery pieces. Forth 4. All your howitzers remain out ranged by the G7 105mm howitzer. Firth 5. What is your army using to select target?

agaugust:

@NaijapikinGidi made posts on security weakpoints in south africa....thats a military thing...your country can be invaded by nigeria from outside...and from inside Hilbrow !

take his advice and dont try to silence him, he is helping your over-rated soweto republic to wake up from dreamland

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If you're going to make a military simulation about Nigeria's invasion of South Africa. Include how are your soldiers(more than 5 brigades) going to be transported to our boarders. Including the staging area.

agaugust:

yes they did, i told you attack by kenyan army was the best decision to take against the terrorists in the shopping mall.

you navy chef/cook that called my tactics wrong gun blazing assault, but kenya dis more than blazing guns only, they aere RPG rocket blazing !

see your own foolishness....your navy unifrom remains hanging on my mango tree top

plastic toy soldier

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but guy, the RPG too much na. That's what flash bang or stun grenades are for.

Mike..ZA:
Have we seen any USA base overran by militants? NO. Is the USA army getting whopped by militants at home? No. Nigeria is losing the war against BH.

not overun but constantly being attacked. And so far they did not manage to kill all insurgents in all the attacks.

Who told you any Nigerian military base was overran?

Mike..ZA:
First 1. Boko Haram is not in an conventional war against Nigeria. Second. 3. That would be the case if Nigeria engages SA. Third 3. In a conventional warfare counter battery fire will destroy your artillery pieces. Forth 4. All your howitzers remain out ranged by the G7 105mm howitzer. Firth 5. What is your army using to select target?

dude, lemme make it clear to you. Even if your artillery guns are placed 80km away from us, our military satelites will still pick your locations, special forces will do a recce and pin your artillery locations for return and precise hit, we position our artillery and motars, and the rest is history (while you'll just be wastin shells from 70km away since even your binoculars will not see such a distance)

Mike..ZA:
Your guns will have to close in to return fire. Your artillery pieces will evaporate under the fire of the G5,G6,Bateleur and AMLAGC(G7) stationed more than 30km away.

...because your tiny brain is thinking that 150,000 nigerian army with 5,000 armoured vehicles/off road terrain vehicles will all foolishly line up in a straight line in front of south african G6 artillery like a line of ants walking back into their ground hole

that nigerian army will be in formations of about 200 different battalions moving against south africa in many different directions out-flanking your tiny manpower shortage crippled army from north , south, east and west until we en-circle, surround, envelope and finally swallow you up like a swarm of heavily armed honey bees.

go ask Egypt how Israel surrounded and cut off a whole 3rd army of Egypt

go ask America and the whole United Nations armies why they all ran away from China's army trying to encircle them in Korean war

go ask South Africa why your army rushed to peace negotiation table when Cuba almost encircled your useless army at Cuito, why did your G6 artillery 70km unnecessary range not save your useless SADF army from the hands of 40,000 inexperienced youth/conscript Cuban soldiers....nigeria has 150,000 soldiers and 10 times better war experience than tiny Cuba.

nigerian 50 palmaria mobile artillery needs only about 40 minutes drive in and close the range gap completely.

what even makes you think armies of the world are always 70km magical range distant away from each other in a real war ?

were Seleka rebels 70km away from south african army when they dfeated your army in CAR 6 months ago ? fool

no army can see the enemy they want to shell from 70km distance away, but nigerian space spy satellites, spy balloons, and ATR-42 Surveyor surface search aircraft will see ALL south african artillery forces over 100 km away and out-maneuver you completely by sending our infantry and motorized battalions to attack you from the flanks by surprise.

south african army is blind as a bat when they fight....no satellite, no balloon, no ATR-42 Surveyor

dont try use drones because nigerian army Roland SAM, Shilka radar AAA, ans Type 90 AAA in our anti-aircraft battalions will shoot down and waste ALL south african drones in a few minutes.

anyway can you please stop wasting our time on this thread by repeating the same old s.tupid comments and making others have to repeat old replies ? or is your fathers' second wife 'doing you remote brain control'

please shut up mr policeman, go fight armed robbers robbing and r.aping soweto women...fire still burns in soweto even after apartheid

stop wasting our time with silly posts if you are not having m.ental p.roblems upstairs

please do us a favour, stop making us repeat posts. thanks

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chris365:

dude, lemme make it clear to you. Even if your artillery guns are placed 80km away from us, our military satelites will still pick your locations, special forces will do a recce and pin your artillery locations for return and precise hit, we position our artillery and motars, and the rest is history (while you'll just be wastin shells from 70km away since even your binoculars will not see such a distance)

he is obsessed and possessed by a few 46 units of south african 70km range G6 artillery that could NOT win the war against inexperienced army of Cuba in Angola bush war.

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chris365:

but guy, the RPG too much na. That's what flash bang or stun grenades are for.

RPG too much ? well it seems so, but we cannot judge a whole Kenyan army General from our laptops at home, he has better intelligence reports about his battle field.

anyway, Israel has proved to the whole world that the only language a terrorist understands is terror....so give him a dose of his own medicine.

rumours say nigerian army may be sent to help Kenyan army on anti-terrorism operations. big brother nigeria, powerhouse of AFRICA !

south africa is NOT even saying anything about helping kenya....cowards of soweto

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Mike..ZA:
If you're going to make a military simulation about Nigeria's invasion of South Africa. Include how are your soldiers(more than 5 brigades) going to be transported to our boarders. Including the staging area.

my head is NOT dull like your own

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Mike..ZA:
That would be the case if Nigeria engages SA.

In a conventional warfare counter battery fire will destroy your artillery pieces. Forth 4. All your howitzers remain out ranged by the G7 105mm howitzer.

no army has monopoly of killing the enemy without being killed too. SANDF and seleka both killed each other before south african ran away finally

130 nigerian palmaria and bofors haubit artillery all have about the same 30km range of south african G7 artillery.

stop day dreaming

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BOFORS HAUBIT nigerian army artillery

According to my current assessment of Nigerias military, I have finally deduced that Nigeria will never defeat South Africa in war. They might have more troops but that will not help them with the kind of obsolete weapons that they have. Nigerias Army is undoubtedly not well equipped to can handle a country as technologically advanced as South Africa. Nigeria will lose the battle before they could even think that they are losing the war. Here under are some of the aspects I have summarised just only in few sentences.

1. South Africa has one of the most advanced Airforce in Sub-Saharan Africa which you cannot Match to that of Nigerias counterpart. FACT!!!

2. In simple sentences, the Nigerian Navy cannot stop the South African Navy. That will only be through the miracle of their Gods that such can happen.

3. Who by the way said Artillery does not win the war? That person should really be ashamed of himself for ever spitting out such misinformation out of his disgraceful mouth. Artillery is capable of doing the following;
- Demolishing the enermies' military installations, Air defence system, Hangers and fleet of fighters, all at long range distances etc
- it can effectively replace the Airforce by scattering the enemies' well organised battle formations in disarray making it easy for one's forces to launch offensive once the enemies' forces are scattered.
- the Artillery's fire is rather effective than mortars for which the enemy can clearly stay out of its range. It has more consistent ariel attacks which lands second after second.

4. Lastly, there is no Army in the world which can win the conventional war with a weak airforce. Once the enemies' air defence system and the airforce which can be used to counter-attack and intercept one's airforce are all destroyed, the enemies' armies, irrespective of how large they are, will be severely compromised through heavy airstrikes.

Fighter Pilot:

According to my current assessment of Nigerias military, I have finally deduced that Nigeria will never defeat South Africa in war.

thank God you said 'YOU' have deduced, we know your level as a degree holder in military agricultural science

Fighter Pilot:
They might have more troops but that will not help them with the kind of obsolete weapons that they have. Nigerias Army is undoubtedly not well equipped to can handle a country as technologically advanced as South Africa. Nigeria will lose the battle before they could even think that they are losing the war. Here under are some of the aspects I have summarised just only in few sentences.

1. South Africa has one of the most advanced Airforce in Sub-Saharan Africa which you cannot Match to that of Nigerias counterpart. FACT!!!

2. In simple sentences, the Nigerian Navy cannot stop the South African Navy. That will only be through the miracle of their Gods that such can happen.

NNS ARADU will use its Otomat anti-ship missiles to sink ALL south african navy warships at range 80km to 180km from a safe position of shallow waters where a submarine cannot dive deep enough to avoid running aground or being targeted NNS Aradu brand new American anti-submarine Atlas EA80 20NM passive anti-submarine sonar and dozens of torpedoes fired 6 at a time simultaneously.

you also need to await the arrival of Nigerian Navy's 4 brand new ultra-modern stealth warships from China/India next year..... FACT !!!

Fighter Pilot:
3. Who by the way said Artillery does not win the war? That person should really be ashamed of himself for ever spitting out such misinformation out of his disgraceful mouth. Artillery is capable of doing the following;
- Demolishing the enermies' military installations, Air defence system, Hangers and fleet of fighters, all at long range distances etc
- it can effectively replace the Airforce by scattering the enemies' well organised battle formations in disarray making it easy for one's forces to launch offensive once the enemies' forces are scattered.
- the Artillery's fire is rather effective than mortars for which the enemy can clearly stay out of its range. It has more consistent ariel attacks which lands second after second.

i am the one who said it here, my name is Augustine in case you never heard. Artillery will NOT win you a war.....nigeria's over 1,000 artillery has not yet defeated boko haram in 4 years.

Fighter Pilot:
4. Lastly, there is no Army in the world which can win the conventional war with a weak airforce. Once the enemies' air defence system and the airforce which can be used to counter-attack and intercept one's airforce are all destroyed, the enemies' armies, irrespective of how large they are, will be severely compromised through heavy airstrikes.

please dont make me repeat old posts of 5 months ago. south african airforce jets will ALL be shot down by nigerian army Roland anti-aircraft missiles and Type 90 ultra modern anti-aircraft guns. we did that combat simulation 5 months ago on this same forum and you were involved.

Roland Vs Gripen was a balanced, even, 50-50 no clear winner battle. both have to avoid each other to survive. South african Gripen jets have NO air to surface missiles....FACT !!!!

you also need to await the arrival of Nigerian Army new ultra-modern Akash anti-aircraft missiles sytems from India.


i am tired of how you south african make me repeat old posts...i am just tired.

maybe i should just post my naval combat, and land invasion simulation ...then maybe kiss this forum goodbye...tired of these dullard south african mofos

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JUNE 2013




@saengine in light fonts
@agaugust in bold fonts



So we already know your Roland is within a given radius of our artillery targets. Once you try track us with your Roland it is over for you. Your radar will give you away, that is a fact.



[b]have you checked Gripen range and confrim what i proves ? maximum time in the air is 15 minutes for Gripen, thats first big problem.

Roland operator is not a F00L, at 18km his radar sees Gripen. he waits quietly for Gripen to launch your only possible weapon...umbani bomb. you dont know Roland has high speed of switching from radar to electro-optical in few seconds push of a button, and its not ordinary human eye visual it is high-tech electro-optical missile guidance system.

great america swallowed its pride and bought Roland SAM from Germany/France.

Roland was so good and therefore expensive to build and buy, so many countries could not afford it, only nigeria in all africa

Roland does not need to switch off his rader, it Umbani and Paveway bombs are zero threat, Roland will shoot down all of them, bombs are slow, Paveway speed is 35km/hr but Roland missile speed is 2,000km/hr and we are not F00LS here my boy, dont you know basic maths and physics ? compare the speed, and Roland missile flies at 2,000km/hr perfectly shoots down Umbani/Paveway flying 35km/hr. did you pass science in school ? can 35km/hr out-run 2,000km/hr

the beginning of your failure is that you dont know that guided bombs are not really meant for moving targets that can defend themselves, they are for buildings, fixed assets, runways, roads, etc. Roland speed on ground is more about double the speed of the umbani, Roland will move away and GPS location changes to confuse the Gripen. [/b]




Your initial tracking radar tracks targets further than your missile range, so long before you switch to optical sight you need your radar switched on. That is your death sentence. Our pilots will be able to identify different targets from the safey of their cockpits. I told you South African pilots do not identify targets just by looking out the window like they do in Nigeria. So we will know exactly what to fire at.Read up on the tracking and target recongition capabilities of the Thales Digital Recon Package .



is the Gripen radar or recconaisance pod a televison screen that tells you difference between a Roland vehicle, AXM-30 Tank that has the same body/chasis/hull, T-72 Tank, Toyota 4Runner SUV, Bulldozer/Carterpillar, Industrial heavy machinery on roads, Steyr APC...do you think the things show like an CNN NEWS clearly or MTV movie on televison or like watching world cup and see Brazilian footballers different from German footballers ? sorry you are wrong its more like detection of presence of many metals on the ground too far away to be defined as Roland or Hummer 4x4 Army Jeep.

you got it all wrong.



What makes you think we need to fire at you from 100km away and at 50 000 feet? 100km is just the maximum range of Umbani. We can hit you from 6.5km if we want. I have posted about how Umbani performed a test having it change course during its flight path and still hit the target from many kilometers away http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/sauae-joint-guided-weapon-successfully-completes-difficult-test-mission-2013-04-08.



[b]you above weblink is blank, no data. i already researched your Umbani and i know its weakness and it will fail on a target that can defend itself, even Type 90 guns will shoot down the bomb.

if Gripen enters that 6.5km range you just changed to above, both the Gripen and its guided bomb will all be shot down by Roland. Argentina did it to the great British Royal airforce in falsland war, both the British jet and its two launched bombs were all shot down by only one Roland and it was not as good as nigerian Roland, it was a fixed un-movable Roland SAM. British air force never attacked that Roland again, they sent their army to capture it on land. is south africa air force better than than British air force ?

Spain is a NATO power still using its Roland SAM today and their own Roland is older version than Nigerian Roland

Germany used Roland until year 2005, for 7 years after Gripen came to service year 1998.

dont you every learn and become wiser ? i keep teaching you but you keep failing in my class ! [/b]




You claim that Roland will shoot down incoming bombs and munitions. But your friend Wikipedia that you love so much states: "Roland's latest upgraded versions have limited ability to counter incoming low RCS munitions (large-caliber heavyweight rockets)". If the LATEST version of Roland have a poor ability to shoot down incoming munitions, then your Nigerian Roland 2 is even much less effective. So you can keep dreaming to yourself that your Roland will be able to protect itself. Umbani can be rocket assisted, so it is not slow as you claim.




quote the exact words and weblink source that says a faster Roland cannot shoot down modern munitions launched against it, or else you become a comedian. their is no such lie in wikipedia, i studied Roland like a textbook, i drank Roland like water.

Roland shot down 2 British Royal air force high speed and high tech Tornado jets that fly at max speed 2,400km faster than Gripen jet.

Umbani rocket assistance is to increase range to 120km or more, not speed. a bomb will never fly at speed of a missile. quote source of Umbani claim of high speed or else i will call you a F00L in public today



And about our Gripen range. The range is extended much much further simply by adding external drop tanks, which still give space for our Recon Pod as well as missiles. Do you think the our Gripens which flew to Zambia did it in 15 minutes from Limpopo to Lusaka? You are a fool.



dont miss classes when i lecture my south african students. the more fuel you carry on Gripen, the less weapons, simple science, its maximum load is fixed. failure to carry self protection air to air missiles will expose Gripen to ordinary F-7 jets and it has same speed and longer range and higher altitude than Gripen. the F-7 is not the crap you south africans and some ignorant nigerians call it. i just showed you its few areas of superiority to Gripen



So like I say you have been defeated in your own challenge. You know that for a fact. Your only real response is that your Roland SAM will hide away from us. Once you try shoot us down you are finished, provided we stay above 5km off the ground which is not high at all (maybe that is high in the Nigerian air force). You have lost at your own game. Stop giving me excuses about your Naval Simulation reply. Type it again without the pictures




you changed again to 5km distance, it exposes Gripen to Roland SAM 8km missile range 18km radar range.

Gripen attack failed, i just shot down all your wasted Umbani/Paveway bombs in my tactical and technical scientific post above. the general public is reading your post and comparing it to mine, they are not F00LS.

Roland wins



stop deceiving people with lies about data...this is the weblink source for full story of Roland SAM including its combat records and history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_missile

South African Gripen jet can NOT hit Nigerian Roland SAM air defenses. case proved beyond doubt. case closed

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now @all south africans, let this be the last time i will have to repeat the posts below, i hate to insult people , so dont give me a good reason to start insutling again if ypou bring up old settled arguments.


MORE FROM JUNE 2013......



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSSosDM8yG4

Gripen Jet, Rooivalk Helicopter Vs Roland SAM, Type 90 AA GUN


@all south africans, as many as you are ....i reply you all in one combines posts

you all posted very poor and internet based battle field tactics, no wonder seleka rebels defeated south african army

all you 3 south africans (including 2 soldiers) against me 1 nigerian and you still cannot win, which poor military academy did you go to ?

Roland is not on open display like new shoes in trade fair exhibition for enemy aircraft to come and hit.

Roland speed 2,000km/hr, Mokopa speed 1,900km/hr, Paveway Bomb 35km/hr,Rooivalk helicopter speed 278km/hr...and you forgot i said earlier that artilleries never stand alone to fight....Type 90 air defense gun has double cannon with anti-aircraft ammunition speed of muzzle velocity shell speed 4,200km/hr that is why it is built to shoot down incoming enemy missiles firing 1,100 shells per minute as a close-in-defensive weapon.

no Gripen or Rooivalk can jam electro-optical target guidance of both Roland and Type 90, technically optical firing guidance CANNOT be jamed electronically, thats why manufactures installed it as option if radar needs to shut down.
did you write and pass military exams or impersonator wrote it for you ?

radar will be switched of if aircraft threat is picked up by radar before a missile gets close. Roland radar detects incoming attack from 18km away.

you assume the only radar on ground is directly on the air defence vehicle, wrong, other radars independent are on the same army battalion formation for other purposes and some for deliberate decoy, older Bofors anti-aircraft guns in an air defence battalion formation will confuse any aircraft or helicopter far away 10km trying to act like a spirit or oracle and determine which radar is directly on Roland or Type 90.

no pilot will ever know what radar he is picking up from 10km away or 30,000 ft high in the middle of many targets on ground, and aircraft radar or targeting pods does not travel bending around corners, like a snake. radars are airwaves and waves travel in straight line, simple physics law.

dont add to a weapon more than its real technology can do in reality, modern weapon does not mean supernatural spiritual weapon.

south africa has no strategic air power like NATO , america, russia, china to carry out SEAD against nigeria's level of air defence and technological advancement, we are not Togo republic. 8 Grippen jets cannot do that level of SEAD.

Roland is for hitting low flying aircraft, but that low flying height is far up to 26,000 feet in the sky !

Roland shoots 8 missiles in less than 3 minutes, and reloads another 8 missiles in seconds.
Type 90 has too much ammunition resrves, its also reloaded rapidly in 7 seconds and many shells per catridge.

Grippen and Rooivalk can only carry few bombs and missiles at a time, and south africa has only 50 Paveway bombs and it will all be shot down plus any other weapons that comes also.

Paveway, Umbani, Mokopa are not among low calibre size high speed rate RCS minutions that wikipedia talks about. google the meaning of RCS, those type are usually very small and so tiny to hit.

all the south african bombs and missiles will be shot down by Roland in some seconds.

Type 90 also gives support to Roland, artillery never works alone, they work is a spider web of support.


the Argentina's Roland operator in Falkland war did a normal air defense tactical job by firing 8 missiles against 3 targets of British Royal air force, that is the battlefield standard, air defence fires extra missiles against incoming targets to ensure it shoots down everything of the enemy.

the Roland successfully h.it and d.estroyed all the enemy targets all at the same time, excellent Roland performance and record of its respected war history.

if you are infantry soldier in reaal war zone, and one enemy soldier faces you from a distance and he fires 2 bullets at you, will you fire only 1 bullet back at him because he is only 1 single man ? did you pass military academy exams or someone helped you to write your papers by fraudulent impersonation ?

Spain is NATO power still using Roland SAM today year 2013 just like Nigeria. Spain has money for weapons, not broke when it comes to military weapons buying. Spain paid about $10 Billion recently for 73 latest Eurofighter Typhoon far superior to Gripen. Spain still uses Roland SAM because it is still effective

Roland shot down both fast and slow aircraft, Harrier jet flies max speed 1,000km/hr, Tornado jet flies max speed 2,400km/hr and Roland has shot down all of them in combat, and those were British Royal air force jets pilots shat down, not even south african Gripen jets pilots that dont have enough flying hours to train annually and Rooivalk pilot that flew his helicopter blind like a bat into street electricity wires in broad daylight....south african pilots are far below the quality of British pilots Roland shot down.


Rolands wins, Gripen, Rooivalk, Paveway, Umbani, Mokopa all lose. i have posted many long details on this topic, i leave the rest to neutral public to judge us.

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you failed physics in school or in air force academy. 9.8m/s is 35km/hr speed, and paveway guided bomb is that slow. umbani is also slow, just glides more than paveway, you told a big lie about its high speed...show me source that says umbani bomb has high speed, show us source now or you will be called a F00L forever

....Roland missile high speed is 2,000km/hr, south african bombs will all be shot down from far away. nigerian Roland air defence wins the battle.

i promised i will rubbish those south african air force over-rated Gripen jets and Umbani/Paveway guided bombs today...and i am doing that now. any south african wants to make a F00L of himself anout Roland vs Gripen ? try it, nigerians are ready to reduce the Gripen to a useless toy today


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you are NOT a real fighter pilot. you are admin staff at air force office drinking coffee, no combat skills

stop quoting 4th generation, and a system in place to hit a Roland, what system ? all the systems in Gripen is known on internet data specs, so what system ? i defeated it, radar, then what syatem ? paveway and umbani guided bombs technical data and systems are available on internet, i defeated it, so what systems are you talking about here ? did you personally build a new Gripen or Umbani ?

i said american air force most modern jets gets shot down till today and you are boasting of south africa ?

Roland combat history says it is a perfect bomb k.iller, it k.ills all bombs from the air, so all your long range high altitude bombs are useless before Roland SAM and the umbani bomb is not a missile so it is very slow, and Roland is faster many times more to shoot down the bombs many kilometers before you reach Roland

South Africa has NO long range stand -off air to surface missile to hit a nigerian Roland SAM. go back to air force training school and learn the frustrating tactics of enemy air defence, stop doing copy and paste from wikipedia data of range and speed you cannot interprete in practical battle field engagement



you are looking for Roland from 100km away and 50,000 ft above, you fail again as usual the picture below is like a Roland you can never see from long distance.

tell me another story.

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agaugust:

no army has monopoly of killing the enemy without being killed too. SANDF and seleka both killed each other before south african ran away finally

130 nigerian palmaria and bofors haubit artillery all have about the same 30km range of south african G7 artillery.

stop day dreaming

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BOFORS HAUBIT nigerian army artillery

Hehehehe! The G7 Howitzer (Leo) has a better range rather of 32 km. Its range is dependent on the type of projectile used such as the base bleed which can fire up to 32 km. The G7 now has V-LAP ammunition with extended range of upto 36 km. We are however still wating for its modified version which was purported to can reach even further long ranges than the previous versions.

http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/new-contract-for-defence-group-expected-2007-04-20

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I just wasted a whole morning today replying some south africans with blocked brains, i was supposed to post new NAF vs SAN air to sea combat simulation of Umkhonto Vs Alpha jets, these guys just diverted me 5 months backwards to old time posts....its NOT easy to be on the same table eating with fools....they get you tired and fatugued

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Augustine Again: ......


you failed physics in school or in air force academy. 9.8m/s is 35km/hr speed, and paveway guided bomb is that slow. umbani is also slow, just glides more than paveway, you told a big lie about its high speed...show me source that says umbani bomb has high speed, show us source now or you will be called a F00L forever

....Roland missile high speed is 2,000km/hr, south african bombs will all be shot down from far away. nigerian Roland air defence wins the battle.

i promised i will rubbish those south african air force over-rated Gripen jets and Umbani/Paveway guided bombs today...and i am doing that now. any south african wants to make a F00L of himself anout Roland vs Gripen ? try it, nigerians are ready to reduce the Gripen to a useless toy today





you are NOT a real fighter pilot. you are admin staff at air force office drinking coffee, no combat skills

I may have failed my physics at school, but yours is misleading. Newton laws of free falling bodies has taught me that all objects irrespective of their size fall with the same uniform acceleration of 9.8m/s2 impacted on to them by the force of attraction( with air resistance and guided objects ignored). That does not mean that free falling bodies will fall throughout with the same acceleration. This is how it works as explained here under;

-This means for every second the acceleration will double, meaning
After 1 second, V1= 9.8m/s
After 2 second, V2 = 9.8+9.8= 19.6m/s
After 3 second, V3=19,6+9.8=29,4m/s
After 4 second, V4=29.4 +9.8=39,2m/s

That is how it goes my friend, not that garbage you have just taught people. Go back and read you high school science text books well from your best 50% minimum pass mark schools. The 33% power brain teaching a master!!! How rhetoric is it.

Lastly, umbani is not a free falling bomb but a guided munitions which takes out the targets at long ranges with quite a speed which is faster than that of a human being.

Mike..ZA:
Have we seen any USA base overran by militants? NO. Is the USA army getting whopped by militants at home? No. Nigeria is losing the war against BH.

No Nigerian Military base has ever been overrun by BH. They have attacked but been repelled.

Was it not the USA and her NATO allies' sovereign air base in Afghanistan that was attacked, I think it was last year, which killed several American air force personnel as well as destroying a few Harrier Jump jets?

Any country fighting an insurgency will always get attacked. Ask the Colombians, Indians, Pakistanis etc. No point in saying the USA are not at home. They might well be considering they even had over 100,00 troops in Afghanistan at one stage and were still getting attacked.

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Nigeria, 4 others to implement new maritime security strategy - Determined to effectively curtail crude oil theft, piracy and other illegalities within their territorial waters, Nigeria, Cameroon, Benin Republic, Togo and Niger are working out the implementation of a new maritime security strategy.


The Nigerian Chief of Naval Staff, Vice Admiral Dele Ezeoba, told journalists in Abuja Thursday that in addition to the larger regional effort, the Nigerian and Cameroonian Navies are leading the establishment of mutual maritime security patrol framework for their territorial waters.

He said that both Nigeria and Cameroon are also involved in ongoing talks towards implementing cross border joint security agreement to ensure the security of their joint borders, both land and maritime borders.

This will enable them also tackle the threat of terrorism within their borders, he added.

Represented by the Director of Operations, Naval Headquarters, Commodore Joseph Okojie, Admiral Ezeoba also announced that the Nigerian Navy will next month host a 21-day major combined military exercise, the AFRICAN WINDS, a programme funded by United States under its African Partnership Station.

The international programme involves trainings and exercises in Lagos, Calabar and Oron and the participating countries include Nigeria, Netherlands, United States, United Kingdom and Spanish Marines and the Special forces of the Dutch Navy Amphibious support ship, HMNLS POTTERDAM, he indicated.

The trainings will take place in Lagos (3-14 October) and Calabar (7-20 October) while the exercises are scheduled in Lagos from 15-16 October and at Calabar/Oron from 21-24 October.

Ezeoba said that “the exercises will cover company level amphibious raid, marine counter terrorism, sea mine identification and disposal, oil rig protection, riverine operations, insertions and extraction. The exercise is meant to improve the capacity of the Nigerian Armed Forces to plan and execute joint operations in a maritime environment.”

The Naval Chief also stated that the Nigerian Navy will participate in the forthcoming Sea Power Symposium, scheduled for November in Dakar, Senegal.

The Nigerian Navy is tasked with the protection of critical maritime assets and infrastructure, including 5,779 oil wells, 9,717-kilometres of pipelines, 112 flow stations, 16 gas plants and 126 production platforms, Floating Production Storage Offloading (FPSOs) and Floating Storage Offloading (FSOs) platforms.

In trumpeting its own scorecard in mitigating the effects of oil theft, piracy and other illegalities, Ezeoba said that between January and September this year, over 968 crude oil tankers successfully lifted 82,122,452 metric tonnes of crude oil on behalf of the federal government without being attacked by sea robbers or pirates.

He said it also foiled about 64 unsuccessful attacks of sea robbery and piracy and also carried out coordinated operations with the Nigerian Air force which led to the rescue of two petroleum products vessels, MT NORTE and MT CROW, attacked by pirates on 13 August, 2013.

He also said that from January to August this year, the Navy, in conjunction with the Joint Task force (Operation PULO SHIELD) and other security agencies, “has to a large extent blunted the ability of crude oil thieves, pipeline vandals and pirates and robbers in carrying out their nefarious acts.

Furthermore, between January, 2012 to August, 2013, about 25 vessels were taken in by the Nigerian Navy for involvement in crude oil theft and illegal bunkering.

'We have destroyed about 1,348 illegal refineries, 99 barges, 1,224 (Cotonou) boats and 61,844 auxiliary equipment between January to August this year,” Ezeoba added.

The Navy also announced that it is working out rules for deployment of armed security personnel aboard merchant vessels as a way of deterring the incidence of piracy and other sea crimes.

According to Ezeoba, “the Nigerian Navy has domesticated the IMO (International Maritime Organisations) provisions on the employment of Privately Contracted Armed Security Personnel (PCASP) on merchant ships and would be activated on the promulgation of a draft Standing Operating Procedure (SOP).

'Also, the draft bill on piracy and other unlawful acts at sea, as proposed by NIMASA, is aimed at combating piracy and robbery at sea and provide legal backing to the fight against piracy and other crimes at sea.”

Pana 27/09/2013

http://www.afriquejet.com/news/12191-new-maritime-security-strategy-in-west-africa.html

agaugust:

you are NOT a real fighter pilot. you are admin staff at air force office drinking coffee, no combat skills

stop quoting 4th generation, and a system in place to hit a Roland, what system ? all the systems in Gripen is known on internet data specs, so what system ? i defeated it, radar, then what syatem ? paveway and umbani guided bombs technical data and systems are available on internet, i defeated it, so what systems are you talking about here ? did you personally build a new Gripen or Umbani ?

i said american air force most modern jets gets shot down till today and you are boasting of south africa ?

Roland combat history says it is a perfect bomb k.iller, it k.ills all bombs from the air, so all your long range high altitude bombs are useless before Roland SAM and the umbani bomb is not a missile so it is very slow, and Roland is faster many times more to shoot down the bombs many kilometers before you reach Roland

South Africa has NO long range stand -off air to surface missile to hit a nigerian Roland SAM. go back to air force training school and learn the frustrating tactics of enemy air defence, stop doing copy and paste from wikipedia data of range and speed you cannot interprete in practical battle field engagement



you are looking for Roland from 100km away and 50,000 ft above, you fail again as usual the picture below is like a Roland you can never see from long distance.

tell me another story

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There is no any system as weak as that of Roland SAM to jam. Roland uses two modes, optical and radar, which can be switched interchangably during engagement. There is one problem though, during heavy jamming Roland SAM can only rely on optical mode which in turn can only be used during the day. OMG!! How weak is this crap, it could have been thrown in the dust bin many years ago because it will merely depend on luck to strike targets. Who said that our fighters will operate during the day when we have already jammed radar system of Roland. Even worse optical mode of Roland is not reliable in terms of accuracy.

Moreover, it will only be a craziest commander who can use expensive missile to stop cheap free falling bombs. My friend, you should never consider military as a career in your entire life because you will compromise your armies with such an approach. Military is not your field, you just good wherever you are employed.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304795804579100944028167308.html

For African Generals, Drones Are The Latest Thing
Aircraft Are Being Used to Track Militants, Poachers and Drug Traffickers.
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By DREW HINSHAW Taking a cue from the U.S., more African governments are spying from the skies.

From Kenya to Nigeria, African air forces are acquiring surveillance drones—often made in the U.S.—to track militants, poachers and drug traffickers moving across vast and often inhospitable terrain.

The drive to expand Africa's air surveillance comes as the U.S. seeks to outsource some of its work fighting terrorism in the world's most remote places.

"Controlling the borders, the arms trafficking," said Col. James Birungi of Uganda, in explaining how drones can meet his country's security challenges. "We have seen that this equipment can do all that for us.


After a flurry of terrorist attacks across Africa this week, governments on the continent are looking for a quick fix. Shooting sprees in Kenya and Nigeria each left scores of people dead, illustrating why governments that already struggle to give their citizens tap water or electricity might spend millions of dollars on 21st century surveillance planes.

In recent years, [b]Nigeria and Ethiopia [/b]have purchased small fleets of drones to track militants and pirates, according to air force officials in Nigeria and the U.S. Last year, the U.S. agreed to give eight small drones to Kenya to monitor al Qaeda-backed rebels there, according to Pentagon documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. Meanwhile, two U.S. Air Force officials said Botswana has approached them requesting drones to track their endangered population of elephants.

For the past few years, the U.S. Air Force has dispatched about a hundred small groups of advisers annually to Africa, said these U.S. Air Force officials, who weren't authorized to be identified by name. Those U.S. Air Force advisers say they are training mechanics, pilots, technicians, and intelligence analysts in roughly 20 African countries.

At a higher level, U.S. Air Force generals say they're talking regularly with defense leaders in Africa—and increasingly are pushing surveillance aircraft as a cost-efficient way to quash the many insurgencies cropping up across the continent.

Two of those officers, U.S. Air Force Gen. Frank Gorenc and Lt. Gen. Craig Franklin, spoke about the initiative in broad terms, describing it as an effort to farm out some of America's anti-terrorism work.

For the U.S., African assistance, however minimal, could help ease pressure on America's own fleet of drones. The U.S. Air Force keeps tabs on Africa, a continent three times the size of the U.S., with only two drone bases. They are 2,500 miles apart, in Niger in West Africa and in Djibouti in the east.

"This continent has too often been land-centric; we solve our problems with land forces," said Gen. Franklin. But he said he'd seen a change: "From the smallest countries, you have air chiefs that…are thinking about: 'OK, with this amount of resources, what can we do?'"

U.S. military assistance to African countries comes as many of them are growing richer and the cost of surveillance equipment is sharply falling. It's an auspicious confluence of trends for defense contractors in the U.S. and elsewhere that are seeking a toehold on the continent.

Last month, the U.S. Air Force created a private website for African defense chiefs—a social network where they could share product reviews, and go in on bulk purchases together.

Earlier this year, Ghana purchased a DA42 surveillance plane, manufactured by Austria's Diamond Aircraft Industries. Defense industry analysts estimated the price at roughly $10 million. U.S. and Ghanaian officials say the country flies the aircraft over the ocean, inspecting ships plying pirate-infested waters. The plane maker's chief executive, Christian Dries, says he's sold similar surveillance planes to Nigeria, Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, and South Africa.

"We have steady orders," he said. "Definitely, this market is growing."

A half dozen other countries—among them Senegal, Uganda and Mauritania—are looking to purchase similar aircraft, say U.S. officials. "We have a real need for these things," said Senegal's General Ousmane Kane. Asked what surveillance assets his air force currently possessed, he pointed to his face and said "above all, what we have are our eyes."

For defense contractors, African air budgets represent a still-small but fast-growing market. Having failed to maintain their previous air fleets, many African governments are paying vendors this time around to toss in contracts for maintenance, technical support and training, said retired Air Force Col. Cedric Leighton, now a defense consultant with experience working in Africa.

"It's a great business for these folks," he said. "There is a lot of gold in those hills."

But Africa's entry into drone surveillance also has raised legal and human rights questions. The laws in most African countries provide citizens with scant legal protection in the types of images the government can capture, how they can be used and who can have access to them.

"We're in kind of a legal limbo," said Research Director Emmanuel Kwesi Aning at the Kofi Annan International Peacekeeping Training Centre in Accra, Ghana. "Nobody is discussing it. It shows the backwardness and the naivety of our partners."

In countries like Nigeria, there are human rights concerns, too. The lead army unit there, called the Joint Task Force, is accused of burning down entire villages, killing civilians, and torturing prisoners to death. Nigerian generals deny those reports, which they say are propaganda spread by terrorists to discredit their army. Still, U.S. human rights law bans the U.S. from working with the Nigerian unit. And yet the U.S. Air Force legally can and does advise the Nigerian air force, whose plane-gathered intelligence winds up in the hands of JTF troops.

"We regularly stress to our partners in Africa the importance of respecting human rights," said an emailed statement from the U.S. State Department on that assistance.

On a recent afternoon, five African air force commanders returned from a U.S.-sponsored tour of Ghana's recently-purchased surveillance plane. The U.S.'s Gen. Franklin, who'd accompanied the tour, said his resources to monitor militants across the continent are stretched thin.

"Oh man, I'll tell you, I am so excited," said Gen. Franklin. "If they take care of the problem themselves, we don't have to worry about it."

Write to Drew Hinshaw at drew.hinshaw@dowjones.com

A version of this article appeared September 28, 2013, on page A8 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Africa's Generals Turning to Drones.

I would respond to augstien but he has not menstion one piece of new infomastion. Just reapting his same *crap*

andrewza: I would respond to augstien but he has not menstion one piece of new infomastion. Just reapting his same *crap*

It seems the kenyans badly flunked their rescue mission at westgate mall. Some reports are saying that perhaps most of the attackers must have fled the scene using underground drainages. Watch aljazeera news at the top of the hour. 4pm or 5pm to see the report.

Augustine Again: ......

Gripen Jet, Rooivalk Helicopter Vs Roland SAM, Type 90 AA GUN


@all south africans, as many as you are ....i reply you all in one combines posts

you all posted very poor and internet based battle field tactics, no wonder seleka rebels defeated south african army

all you 3 south africans (including 2 soldiers) against me 1 nigerian and you still cannot win, which poor military academy did you go to ?

Roland is not on open display like new shoes in trade fair exhibition for enemy aircraft to come and hit.

Roland speed 2,000km/hr, Mokopa speed 1,900km/hr, Paveway Bomb 35km/hr,Rooivalk helicopter speed 278km/hr...and you forgot i said earlier that artilleries never stand alone to fight....Type 90 air defense gun has double cannon with anti-aircraft ammunition speed of muzzle velocity shell speed 4,200km/hr that is why it is built to shoot down incoming enemy missiles firing 1,100 shells per minute as a close-in-defensive weapon.

no Gripen or Rooivalk can jam electro-optical target guidance of both Roland and Type 90, technically optical firing guidance CANNOT be jamed electronically, thats why manufactures installed it as option if radar needs to shut down.
did you write and pass military exams or impersonator wrote it for you ?

radar will be switched of if aircraft threat is picked up by radar before a missile gets close. Roland radar detects incoming attack from 18km away.

you assume the only radar on ground is directly on the air defence vehicle, wrong, other radars independent are on the same army battalion formation for other purposes and some for deliberate decoy, older Bofors anti-aircraft guns in an air defence battalion formation will confuse any aircraft or helicopter far away 10km trying to act like a spirit or oracle and determine which radar is directly on Roland or Type 90.

no pilot will ever know what radar he is picking up from 10km away or 30,000 ft high in the middle of many targets on ground, and aircraft radar or targeting pods does not travel bending around corners, like a snake. radars are airwaves and waves travel in straight line, simple physics law.

dont add to a weapon more than its real technology can do in reality, modern weapon does not mean supernatural spiritual weapon.

south africa has no strategic air power like NATO , america, russia, china to carry out SEAD against nigeria's level of air defence and technological advancement, we are not Togo republic. 8 Grippen jets cannot do that level of SEAD.

Roland is for hitting low flying aircraft, but that low flying height is far up to 26,000 feet in the sky !

Roland shoots 8 missiles in less than 3 minutes, and reloads another 8 missiles in seconds.
Type 90 has too much ammunition resrves, its also reloaded rapidly in 7 seconds and many shells per catridge.

Grippen and Rooivalk can only carry few bombs and missiles at a time, and south africa has only 50 Paveway bombs and it will all be shot down plus any other weapons that comes also.

Paveway, Umbani, Mokopa are not among low calibre size high speed rate RCS minutions that wikipedia talks about. google the meaning of RCS, those type are usually very small and so tiny to hit.

all the south african bombs and missiles will be shot down by Roland in some seconds.

Type 90 also gives support to Roland, artillery never works alone, they work is a spider web of support.


the Argentina's Roland operator in Falkland war did a normal air defense tactical job by firing 8 missiles against 3 targets of British Royal air force, that is the battlefield standard, air defence fires extra missiles against incoming targets to ensure it shoots down everything of the enemy.

the Roland successfully h.it and d.estroyed all the enemy targets all at the same time, excellent Roland performance and record of its respected war history.

if you are infantry soldier in reaal war zone, and one enemy soldier faces you from a distance and he fires 2 bullets at you, will you fire only 1 bullet back at him because he is only 1 single man ? did you pass military academy exams or someone helped you to write your papers by fraudulent impersonation ?

Spain is NATO power still using Roland SAM today year 2013 just like Nigeria. Spain has money for weapons, not broke when it comes to military weapons buying. Spain paid about $10 Billion recently for 73 latest Eurofighter Typhoon far superior to Gripen. Spain still uses Roland SAM because it is still effective

Roland shot down both fast and slow aircraft, Harrier jet flies max speed 1,000km/hr, Tornado jet flies max speed 2,400km/hr and Roland has shot down all of them in combat, and those were British Royal air force jets pilots shat down, not even south african Gripen jets pilots that dont have enough flying hours to train annually and Rooivalk pilot that flew his helicopter blind like a bat into street electricity wires in broad daylight....south african pilots are far below the quality of British pilots Roland shot down.


Rolands wins, Gripen, Rooivalk, Paveway, Umbani, Mokopa all lose. i have posted many long details on this topic, i leave the rest to neutral public to judge us.

end of discussion

Let me just give you a friendly advice, never ever challenge any person with Asian decent in science for your whole miserable life again. Your intelligence has its boundries in Nigeria and that is where it ends. You want to know which missile is faster between missile Mokopa and Roland. I will challenge you to employ your Newton's law of projecting objects (projectiles) and apply your mind. A body is thrown vertically upwards with a velocity of 30m/s, calculate how far will the ball go? The correct equation to use will be S=ut + 1/2gt2.

Now, this is common knowledge that all projecting bodies decelerate/r.etard with -9m/s2 for every second of their journey until they reach their apex. On contrary, mokopa will be boosted by acceleration of nature which is +9.8m/s every second of its flight.

Nobody is disputing that Roland missiles cannot hit the fouth generation fighters. What we are trying to elucidate is that it poses more disadvantages than benefits at this age of time. The only effective mode of Roland's target engagement is through its weak radar system which can be detected easily and be jammed. Infact, all 4th generation fighters are fitted with radar detectors and most of them are hit through optical mode of engagement.
Of All those hits by Roland missile were through optical mode that I bet you my friend and such a mode can be rendered useless at night.

agaugust:

thank God you said 'YOU' have deduced, we know your level as a degree holder in military agricultural science




NNS ARADU will use its Otomat anti-ship missiles to sink ALL south african navy warships at range 80km to 180km from a safe position of shallow waters where a submarine cannot dive deep enough to avoid running aground or being targeted NNS Aradu brand new American anti-submarine Atlas EA80 20NM passive anti-submarine sonar and dozens of torpedoes fired 6 at a time simultaneously.

you also need to await the arrival of Nigerian Navy's 4 brand new ultra-modern stealth warships from China/India next year..... FACT !!!










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Otomat does not have any combat history, it has never been used anywhere by any navy in the whole world. Umkhonto is highly optimised and proven to stop any sea skimming missiles and now that does not exclude otomat. You will run out of your Otomat and soon be left out of nothing to stop the valour class.

Mike..ZA:
BH have camps in Nigeria. Some have "spider holes" which are used to hide from your recce planes.

Holes dug in your shallow skull? Child drooling!

Mike..ZA:
It differs. Your country is divided that's why some are resorting to this extremes. If people in Limpopo felt left out and neglected this kind of things would happen.

Only an idi.ot makes your kind of comments. Get your mind up to speed with some proper education.

Mike..ZA:
Don't post. Unless it is about military.

You don't have a brain.

Fighter Pilot:

I may have failed my physics at school, but yours is misleading. Newton laws of free falling bodies has taught me that all objects irrespective of their size fall with the same uniform acceleration of 9.8m/s2 impacted on to them by the force of attraction( with air resistance and guided objects ignored). That does not mean that free falling bodies will fall throughout with the same acceleration. This is how it works as explained here under;

-This means for every second the acceleration will double, meaning
After 1 second, V1= 9.8m/s
After 2 second, V2 = 9.8+9.8= 19.6m/s
After 3 second, V3=19,6+9.8=29,4m/s
After 4 second, V4=29.4 +9.8=39,2m/s

That is how it goes my friend, not that garbage you have just taught people. Go back and read you high school science text books well from your best 50% minimum pass mark schools. The 33% power brain teaching a master!!! How rhetoric is it.

Lastly, umbani is not a free falling bomb but a guided munitions which takes out the targets at long ranges with quite a speed which is faster than that of a human being.

hahaha

you messed up really bad bro !

...why should i not challenge an indian in science ? i made grade A in all my sciences in high school

come to the nigerian classroom again, you want to know why you should n ot challenge a nigerian in sciences ? this is why .....

i never said Umbani speed will remain permanent at 35 km/h but that is its initial velocity at zero start up from rest and it may end its final velocity at that same speed of 35km/h if the guidance system does the upward-downward random swing to eliminate the gain on velocity of the first 5 seconds after which velocity no longer increases.

this is the reason why no DENEL source gives any speed for th Umbani bomb.

i know a basic physics formula for acceleration, v = u + at

v = final velocity
u = initial velocity
t = time in seconds
a = acceleration

for free fall objects falling coming down in a straight line, it is a different calculation from a gliding object like umbani bomb (call it any name, munition or bomb, it remains a guided bomb and not a guided missile for ever and ever...amen !)

the free fall bomb has no calculation of air resistance in that your childish arithmetical formula of your 33% indian south african brain.

you are very wrong !!!

the correct formula for umbani bomb speed is different because its is NOT free fall and faces air resistance and its own engine/propulsion drag/resistance due to its guidance control that alters its directions trying to locate a specific target, it also rises up slowly and drops down slowly at intervals trying to maneuver to its target on the ground.

the standard final velocity calculation you used by adding up 9.8 m/s many times per every second is very very wrong

" Falling cannon balls are not actually free falling - they are subject to air resistance and would fall at different terminal velocities."

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/airplane/mofall.html

the increasing velocity will stop increasing after only 5 seconds



"In all cases, the body is assumed to start from rest, and air resistance is neglected. Generally, in Earth's atmosphere, all results below will therefore be quite inaccurate after only 5 seconds of fall (at which time an object's velocity will be a little less than the vacuum value of 49 m/s (9.8 m/s² × 5 s) due to air resistance).

Air resistance induces a drag force on any body that falls through any atmosphere other than a perfect vacuum, and this drag force increases with velocity until it equals the gravitational force, leaving the object to fall at a constant terminal velocity."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equations_for_a_falling_body

please never try again to challenge superior nigerian brains on sciences, reason they call us the giant of africa is not only in population numbers but also in brain quality

you are so careless you did not notice that DENEL did not give details of specific speed of umbani guided bomb because of the issues of complexities due to drag, air resistance, and upward-downward occasional maneuvers trying to locate a target.

i repeat, Umbani speed is 35 km/h initial velocity at zero start up from rest and it may end its final velocity at that same speed of 35km/h if the guidance system does the upward-downward random swing to eliminate the gain on velocity of the first 5 seconds after which velocity no longer increases. watch the video at the end of reading this post. i proved my point.

the best speed you will ever get from a falling air gliding umbani guided bomb will be about 80km/h and it will be shot down and wasted by the very many and deadly nigerian air defences flying missiles at about 2,000 km/h and AAA multiple barrel air defence guns/cannon firing over 1,000 shells per minutes and muzzle shell velocity of 4,000 km/h.


let me hear you again saying that civilians are cannot equal military men on battlefield....say it again while i educate you with the video below.....

paveway guided bomb is the same technology basics as umbani and south african Gripen jets use the paveway guided bomb as at today...notice the slow speed that will make the bomb easy cheap breakfast for nigerian Type 90 air defence and anti-missile artillery guns...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRRXK7QnxaU