Henry120:

#Reminder


"The budget shortfall also meant the SANDF would have to cut operations and acquisitions."

Only small acquisitions

Henry120:

1)There are no Patria IFV's in SANDF service, they haven't entered service with your loan defence force. Lol

2) The SAAF only fly 10 half-french helicopters

3) No they don't.

1. The Badger IFV has been delivered to the army for testing,if we at war it would be sent to front lines.

2. SAAF has 11 Rooivalks.

Henry120:

#Reminder


"The budget shortfall also meant the SANDF would have to cut operations and acquisitions."

Let me make it simple for you.

To implement the defence review the government will have to spend billions of dollars,buying equipment suggested by the review. This includes Amphibious assault ships,light and heavy transporters etc

So the SANDF funding totally has nothing to with the implementation. The Defence budget will then be increased.

Your country spends less on defence,you should imagine the rot in your force.

Henry120:

Nigeria has a state of the art COBRA facility. Similar to what the british have. It is more advanced that what you claim to have in south-africa.

Typical Beegeagles blogger.

You don't know what you're talking about.

I won't bother explaining the capabilities of the project Legend's Chaka C2 systems,which include blue force tracking. And compatible with the Link-ZA.

SANDF artillery corps's AS-2000 targeting system and new Skyshield air defense will be linked via Link-ZA MIL-STD data link. Meaning a Gripen can detect a helicopter and fed the info in real time displaying on the screens of the GBADS command computer.

Or ISTAR equipment acquired under project cytoon can fed enemy positions to the AS-2000 artillery targeting computer. All in near time,scouts(SA army Intel corps personnel) can "train" artillery guns on enemy targets.

Superior Command and control.

FighterPilot:

Only small acquisitions

Regular stuff like boats,uniform etc

The Hawk LIFT and Gripen are/will be able to receive information from the ESR 220 Thultwa mobile radar and ISTAR component from project cytoon. This enhances the effectiveness of stand-off munitions like missiles and smart bombs.

And it will be the case with Skyshield radar and the newer experimental missile guidance radar for the Umkhonto. Under phase two of the GBADS project.

I hate when @Henry120 behaves like the picture resembles his head.

"We have $1 billion we can grab 200 Bigfoot MRAPS while doing so,we can also get IFV from China...............blah blah blah blah blah."

Watch the period between September and July next year chaps. When the military giant of Africa awakens.

MikeZA: 1. The Badger IFV has been delivered to the army for testing,if we at war it would be sent to front lines.

2. SAAF has 11 Rooivalks.

The Patria IFV has not entered service with the SANDF.

SAAF only fly 10 half-french helicopters.

MikeZA: Let me make it simple for you.

To implement the defence review the government will have to spend billions of dollars,buying equipment suggested by the review. This includes Amphibious assault ships,light and heavy transporters etc

So the SANDF funding totally has nothing to with the implementation. The Defence budget will then be increased.

Your country spends less on defence,you should imagine the rot in your force.

Day dreaming at it's peaK.

"The army alone has a R13.8 billion budget, of which R9.5 billion went to pay soldiers and staff. Less than one percent went to payment for capital assets such as vehicles."


Nigeria's defence budget is $6 billion.

Defense budget N968.127 billion that's $6 billion
likely to go up
Read:

Finance minister on defence
spendings
Abuja – The Minister of Finance,
Dr Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, on
Friday said the Federal
Government disbursed N130.7
billion to the defence sector from
January to April.
Okonjo-Iweala made this known
while briefing newsmen during
breakdown of the 2014 budget
signed by the President
Goodluck Jonathan in Abuja.
She said: “Defence spending is
top in everything; you know that
military establishment need new
things to assist them in their
work and ours will not be
different.
“No budget will be enough to
meet their demands but for now,
I think the sector takes almost a
trillion of the budgets.
“To be specific, they have about
N968.127 billion and we have
disbursed N130.7 billion
between January and April
2014,’’ she said





How do you spend more than nigeria?

MikeZA: Typical Beegeagles blogger.

You don't know what you're talking about.

I won't bother explaining the capabilities of the project Legend's Chaka C2 systems,which include blue force tracking. And compatible with the Link-ZA.

SANDF artillery corps's AS-2000 targeting system and new Skyshield air defense will be linked via Link-ZA MIL-STD data link. Meaning a Gripen can detect a helicopter and fed the info in real time displaying on the screens of the GBADS command computer.

Or ISTAR equipment acquired under project cytoon can fed enemy positions to the AS-2000 artillery targeting computer. All in near time,scouts(SA army Intel corps personnel) can "train" artillery guns on enemy targets.

Superior Command and control.

Nigeria has far more superior command and control structure than you can dream of.

We have a COBRA like, data links facility here in nigeria. The only facility of such anywhere on this continent.

MikeZA: I hate when @Henry120 behaves like the picture resembles his head.

"We have $1 billion we can grab 200 Bigfoot MRAPS while doing so,we can also get IFV from China...............blah blah blah blah blah."

Watch the period between September and July next year chaps. When the military giant of Africa awakens.

More blabbings.

"The South African National Defence Force (SANDF), which should be saving lives, is becoming an "armed welfare service which is saving jobs,".

MikeZA: 1. The Badger IFV has been delivered to the army for testing,if we at war it would be sent to front lines.

One Badger IFV ? Whom do you want to fight with that? Armed robbers on the streets ?

MikeZA: The Hawk LIFT and Gripen are/will be able to receive information from the ESR 220 Thultwa mobile radar and ISTAR component from project cytoon. This enhances the effectiveness of stand-off munitions like missiles and smart bombs.

And it will be the case with Skyshield radar and the newer experimental missile guidance radar for the Umkhonto. Under phase two of the GBADS project.

South Africa has NO air or land based stand off munitions like missiles and smart bombs.

All your missiles and smart bombs have maximum range 20 km and that is NOT stand-off or beyond visual range. Stop lying dude !

agaugust:

One Badger IFV ? Whom do you want to fight with that? Armed robbers on the streets ?

he want to shoot down soweto gangs with badger IFV lol du.mbo southies

Msauza:

Your link is even broken. Don't device stories.

Y.our coconut h.ead is broken Mike.ZA read my link with ease...go fix your problem

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/international-developments-drive-the-saafs-needs-for-new-aircraft-2011-05-27
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kikuyu1:
You sound like these Russians discussing our Havocs!
http://www.russiadefence.net/t2593-16-mi-28n-for-kenya
Its very easy,too easy to talk isht on the net. What will you do when photos are provided?

Take it easy. I spent an hour finding Kenyan Mi-28 Havoc attack helicopter, SIPRI does not report such a big deal of very lethal weapon. I looked for photos and found none except the ones with stationary rotor blades in flight, the Kenyan Air Force roundel looks photo shopped on the helos.

Can you post a Kenyan government source of this helicopter or a photo of the helos with Kenyan air force?

The deal looks like a red herring, need to clear it's genuineness.

MikeZA:

The SANDF has 11 Rooivalks

Nigeria's NAF has 30 combat helicopters.


2 damaged Mi-24 being repaired, 1 Mi-35 crashed but immediate replacement ordered.



6 Mi-35M Hind E (2 delivered).......................Federal Ministry Of Defence 2014/This Day Newspapers
14 Mi-24V/35P...........................................SIPRI database
10 Mi-8/Mi-171s armed terminators................SIPRI database

SOURCE :

Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 2000 to 2013
Note: The ÔNo. delivered/producedÕ and the ÔYear(s) of deliveriesÕ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ÔCommentsÕ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 03 August 2014


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Belarus
R: Nigeria

2 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter 2009 2010 2 Second-hand

France
R: Nigeria

5 AS-532 Cougar/AS-332 Helicopter 2010 Second-hand but modernized before delivery; status uncertain


Italy
R: Nigeria

2 A-109K Light helicopter (2000) 2001 (2) Mainly for protection of off-shore oil fields
4 A-109K Light helicopter (2002) 2004 (4) A-109E Power version

12 AW139 Helicopter 2006 2006-2009 3

12 A-109K Light helicopter (2009) 2010-2012 (6) A-109LUH version; from South African production line


Russia
R: Nigeria

10 Mi-34S/Hermit Light helicopter 1999 2001-2002 (10) For training
6 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter (2000) 2000 6 Probably second-hand but modernized before delivery
4 Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter (2002) 2003 4 Mi-171Sh armed version
3 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter 2012 Possibly second-hand but modernized or rebuilt before delivery; designation uncertain (could be Mi-17V-5 helicopter)
6 Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter 2012 Mi-171Sh armed version

Ukraine
R: Nigeria

2 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter (2007) 2008 2 Second-hand
1 Mi-24V/Hind-E Combat helicopter (2008) 2008 1 Second-hand



http://www.sipri.org/databases/armstransfers

That is about 60 helicopters in NAF on SIPRI alone for purchases from year 2000 to 2013 only. I did not add 6 units new Mi-35M Hind E, squadron of Bell Rangers, squadron of R66 Robinsons, and the 40 new helicopters from USA/Russia arriving this month.

Nigerian air force (Not counting Navy helicpoters one squadron, not counting any NAF reserves two squadrons) will have about 120 helicopters rocking the skies....Biggest force in Sub-Saharan Africa !

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MikeZA:

His was a highly experienced officer,he flew Mirages alongside Captain Arthur Piercy,in Angola during counter air operations against Cuban and Angolan MIG-23.

Your air force has never in its history engaged in counter air ops.

The SAAF Chief Of Staff retired in 2012, like I said 99% of combat experienced South African military men are either dead, retired, or run away oversees to avoid Zulu spear of revenge.

Don't fvck yourself dude, it won't produce a baby, South African air force and Nigeria both have NO experience of 4th generation jet fighter combat where EM. ECM, ECCM is the rule of the game. South African Gripen jets have zero combat experience, NEVER used in war. FACT !

SAAF Hawk jets have never killed a mosquito, NAF Alpha jets have been flying recce and ground attack from 20 years ago till today...Liberia, Sierra Leone, Mali, North East Nigeria.

Who has a better experienced air force today 2014, not on past glory ? Nigeria !

MikeZA:

Typical Beegeagles blogger.

You don't know what you're talking about.

I won't bother explaining the capabilities of the project Legend's Chaka C2 systems,which include blue force tracking. And compatible with the Link-ZA.

SANDF artillery corps's AS-2000 targeting system and new Skyshield air defense will be linked via Link-ZA MIL-STD data link. Meaning a Gripen can detect a helicopter and fed the info in real time displaying on the screens of the GBADS command computer.

Or ISTAR equipment acquired under project cytoon can fed enemy positions to the AS-2000 artillery targeting computer. All in near time,scouts(SA army Intel corps personnel) can "train" artillery guns on enemy targets.

Superior Command and control.

South Africa has superior command and control over Namibia, NOT Nigeria.


Dude, you mean Algeria that spends on weapons many times more than South Africa has no data-links for Algerian military ?

SIPRI or UN arms log will not record any country's data-links installations because it is NOT a weapon or combat equipment, it is a mere satellite two way communication network of data linked together on a number of equipment like aircraft, ships, and vehicles at the same time.

You SA guys make it sound like data links is a nuclear weapon....All South Africans dumbo domingos

See, Nigeria has data links but we don't make noise about it, sure Egypt will have..or how do they match Israel. Sure Algeria will have from their multi-billion dollar defence budget.

Now look....Nigeria has ISR aircraft that have data-links that are connected to many ground stations and other different equipment. At Nigeria's level of sophistication, our 3 armed forces can exchange information on-line real time via data-links from aircraft to warships to ground stations and major ground equipment.

In case you dont know, data-links depends 100% on satellite network and Nigeria is far ahead of South Africa in satellite technology, so it means Nigeria has satellites and supports it's data-links by them, but South Africa has NO single satellite and therefore depends on another country's satellites to connect SANDF data-links, the day you offend them, they just disconnect your data-link and you enter hot pepper soup.

You Soweto guys here are NOT telecoms or satcoms experts, so stop yapping about data-links when you know next to nothing about the detailed engineering of how it actually works.

You don't know that even different types of data links that are totally different and irrelevant to each other, can be integrated to work together via a coordinating translator/correlator. So you guys should stop claiming to be experts of a technology that you know less than 1% of.

Nigeria has data-links and includes both fixed and mobile ground stations data-link network integrated systems as well as linked to different weapons/equipment/platforms including our very small ISR Diamond aircraft you do not even know about....


[size=14pt]Nigerian military data-links

2013 upgrade contract with U.S. Navy & Private Contractor

Nigerian Air Force upgrades Diamond intelligence aircraft
Posted by: Ade Tayo in Latest News 08/05/2013

The U.S. Navy is working with the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) to enhance their intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities by upgrading equipment on two Diamond DA-42 aircraft and associated ground stations, according to contract documents released Monday through the Federal Business Opportunities website.

The Navy is seeking a contractor to upgrade ISR equipment on two DA-42 Diamond Twin Star aircraft, data links and antennas of existing fixed ground stations, and provide two new portable ground stations, training, optional spares and an optional Field Service Representative.

All modifications, testing, delivery, and training shall be performed in Nigeria, the Navy said in contract documents.

The contractor will be responsible for uninstalling all existing aircraft and fixed ground station ISR equipment made obsolete by the upgraded equipment, the Navy said. This equipment shall remain the property of the NAF."

http://flynaija.org/nigerian-air-force-upgrades-diamond-intelligence-aircraft/

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PHOTO : U.S. NAVY HAS THE BEST DATA LINKS TECHNOLOGY IN THE WORLD AND PROVIDED UPGRADES AS WELL AS NEW EXTRA MOBILE DATA LINK GROUND STATIONS FOR NIGERIA THROUGH THEIR OWN AMERICAN DATA LINK CONTRACTOR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_Data_Link



IT technicians study Tactical Data Link data on a computer terminal (US Naval Network and Space Operations Command)


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agaugust:

South Africa has superior command and control over Namibia, NOT Nigeria.


Dude, you mean Algeria that spends on weapons many times more than South Africa has no data-links for Algerian military ?

SIPRI or UN arms log will not record any country's data-links installations because it is NOT a weapon or combat equipment, it is a mere satellite two way communication network of data linked together on a number of equipment like aircraft, ships, and vehicles at the same time.

You SA guys make it sound like data links is a nuclear weapon....All South Africans dumbo domingos

See, Nigeria has data links but we don't make noise about it, sure Egypt will have..or how do they match Israel. Sure Algeria will have from their multi-billion dollar defence budget.

Now look....Nigeria has ISR aircraft that have data-links that are connected to many ground stations and other different equipment. At Nigeria's level of sophistication, our 3 armed forces can exchange information on-line real time via data-links from aircraft to warships to ground stations and major ground equipment.

In case you dont know, data-links depends 100% on satellite network and Nigeria is far ahead of South Africa in satellite technology, so it means Nigeria has satellites and supports it's data-links by them, but South Africa has NO single satellite and therefore depends on another country's satellites to connect SANDF data-links, the day you offend them, they just disconnect your data-link and you enter hot pepper soup.

You Soweto guys here are NOT telecoms or satcoms experts, so stop yapping about data-links when you know next to nothing about the detailed engineering of how it actually works.

You don't know that even different types of data links that are totally different and irrelevant to each other, can be integrated to work together via a coordinating translator/correlator. So you guys should stop claiming to be experts of a technology that you know less than 1% of.

Nigeria has data-links and includes both fixed and mobile ground stations data-link network integrated systems as well as linked to different weapons/equipment/platforms including our very small ISR Diamond aircraft you do not even know about....


[size=14pt]Nigerian military data-links

2013 upgrade contract with U.S. Navy & Private Contractor

Nigerian Air Force upgrades Diamond intelligence aircraft
Posted by: Ade Tayo in Latest News 08/05/2013

The U.S. Navy is working with the Nigerien Air Force (NAF) to enhance their intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities by upgrading equipment on two Diamond DA-42 aircraft and associated ground stations, according to contract documents released Monday through the Federal Business Opportunities website.

The Navy is seeking a contractor to upgrade ISR equipment on two DA-42 Diamond Twin Star aircraft, data links and antennas of existing fixed ground stations, and provide two new portable ground stations, training, optional spares and an optional Field Service Representative.

All modifications, testing, delivery, and training shall be performed in Nigeria, the Navy said in contract documents.

The contractor will be responsible for uninstalling all existing aircraft and fixed ground station ISR equipment made obsolete by the upgraded equipment, the Navy said. This equipment shall remain the property of the NAF."

http://flynaija.org/nigerian-air-force-upgrades-diamond-intelligence-aircraft/

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PHOTO : U.S. NAVY HAS THE BEST DATA LINKS TECHNOLOGY IN THE WORLD AND PROVIDED UPGRADES AS WELL AS NEW EXTRA MOBILE DATA LINK GROUND STATIONS FOR NIGERIA THROUGH THEIR OWN AMERICAN DATA LINK CONTRACTOR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_Data_Link



IT technicians study Tactical Data Link data on a computer terminal (US Naval Network and Space Operations Command)


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This comment deserves a Noble Price.

BETTER EVERYTIME SANDF

BETTER THAN MUMU's

proudly South African....nairas moving to South Africa in droves

Thiza: BETTER EVERYTIME SANDF

i wonder why they moved the turret on the Iklwa further back than it is on the Ratel....

Henry120:
Your imaginary data links only exists in the minds of your SAloanNDF. I'm very sure you guys believe in "unicorns" and "big foot".


SAloanNDF have no data links. It doesn't exist in that retirement home defence force.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6184:zz&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

Clown

Henry120:

You fraudulently acquired military equipments, you

1) Don't have the money to pay for

2) Don't have the expertise to fly

3) Too broke to maintain

4) the SANDF has the oldest infantry troops in the world, lacking the skill, ethos and motivation required of a military.


Your own defence minister(God bless her heart) has this to say about the retirement home

"Mapisa-Nqakula - stated unambiguously that the SANDF was in a state of decline characterised by force imbalance between capabilities, ageing technology, and unaffordability of many of its main operating systems."




Your defence force is none other than a hollywood, photo snapping limousine service/ retirement home.

1) Don't have the money to pay for

Loan payments are on schedule and will be paid by 2017-2018

2) Don't have the expertise to fly

All air-assets are operational, on top of that you yourself confirmed that 18 Gripen are combat ready

3) Too broke to maintain

[citation needed]

4) the SANDF has the oldest infantry troops in the world, lacking the skill, ethos and motivation required of a military.

And yet they are superior to yours - remind me, is it South African or Nigerian land that is being occupied by enemy combatants?

agaugust:

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[size=16pt]Chief Of Air Force For South Africa Close To Tears....

Want's Nigerian Air Force's Beechcraft ISTAR Aircraft....

Confesses SANDF/SAAF Is 66 Years Far Behind NAF !!

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/international-developments-drive-the-saafs-needs-for-new-aircraft-2011-05-27 [/size]

Show me where he said we are 66 years behind Nigeria.

And airframe is 66 years old

It does not mean the equipment in it is 66 years old.

Filthy liar.

Henry120:

We ordered 6 of them.


Let these south-africans show us news sources outside beegeagle's blog that have reported this deliveries.

Not SIPRI, not IHS janes, not one of them.

How many of them reported the deliveries of hundreds of MRAPs and Streit MK3's...... Again, not one of them.

Infact, Defence IQ's armoured vehicle's conference had to quote beegeagle.

Because beegeagle is a liar and is making things up.

agaugust:


No, you this mumu, Lt.Gen Gagiano retired in 2012, my source says he confessed in 2011. Should I teach you South African military history?

http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1110/new-chief-of-the-saaf-appointed

Since 2011 that SAAF chief cried out in tears, this is 2014 and SANDF has NOT bought the Nigerian type of Beechcraft ISTAR that the man was weeping for, you remain 66 years behind Nigerian air force...many tears in Soweto

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Do you really want to compare assets?

Gripen can do everything your asset can.

Stop trying to mislead this forum.

Henry120:

More lying to yourself, when would you stop mike.

Anyway, just in case you've forgotten again,

The SA National Defence Force (SANDF) is facing a "catastrophic" multi-billion-Rand financial crisis that could force mass retrenchments and the indefinite postponement of the acquisition of essential equipment.



Oh well, keep daydreaming.

They will say that before a budget speech... because guess what they want more money,

Think about this for a second.

Our Army is 70 000 strong (professionals only)

Yours is 130 000 strong

We spend double what you do

And yet we feel that we cannot maintain the standards we expect with that budget.

What does that say about your military?

Henry120:

Nigeria has a state of the art COBRA facility. Similar to what the british have. It is more advanced that what you claim to have in south-africa.

Cool story.

Prove it.

agaugust:

One Badger IFV ? Whom do you want to fight with that? Armed robbers on the streets ?




South Africa has NO air or land based stand off munitions like missiles and smart bombs.

All your missiles and smart bombs have maximum range 20 km and that is NOT stand-off or beyond visual range. Stop lying dude !

20km is longer than the range of your SAM's. Meaning we can kill your SAM facilities from safety. We also have long range artillery and rocket batteries.

So, its the definition of a stand-off munition.

slowpoke.