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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by weyreypey: 10:54am On Aug 17, 2018
obekediamondfuto:


engine swap? first grade, direct fit and measurements from the factory.....assurance from quality assurance officers ...... and time efficient.

rebuild? only if I get a 1yr warranty.... that in event of any failure I get 70percent of my money back....

I don't mean warranty that will involve another rebuild oh..... then technicalities will come into play..... oil and filter etc that client must bear plus the time it will take for another rebuild ..... abeg.... mbok... I will be needing my money back.

the 30 percent forgone is the usage of the engine in terms of service usage before the catastrophe.

one thing is this, a well seasoned mechanic knows a good engine when he analyses it. it's this simple.
A well trained demeanor. Sense will not kee you...70% refund?
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by obekediamondfuto(m): 11:37am On Aug 17, 2018
weyreypey:

A well trained demeanor. Sense will not kee you...70% refund?


ah ahn, yels ke......
na must oh, must be signed properly and stamped by a registrar

before ur motor go spend 6months with u and 6 months for workshop where people dey rebuild ur engine

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 2:52pm On Aug 17, 2018
Inception:


For the 2nd option , the tools used and specifications religiously followed is key: Torqueing, cylinder bore measurements, crankshaft journal measurements, top cylinder valve shims/ rocker am tappets measurements, Cylinder head bolts torqueing sequence( torque to yield?) Checking for ovality in cylinder walls ( for engines plagued with piston slap) which might require reboring of cylinder, piston ring installation sequence on piston etc etc ... The wahala and the variables considering the clime we are in too much abeg( imagine when reboring is required, where can it be done with peace of mind in Nigeria using the right tools?)

Na to just jejely replace with Japan grade engine jejely to avoid installing a CPR kit in my car abeg grin

With us

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 2:53pm On Aug 17, 2018
obekediamondfuto:


engine swap? first grade, direct fit and measurements from the factory.....assurance from quality assurance officers ...... and time efficient.

rebuild? only if I get a 1yr warranty.... that in event of any failure I get 70percent of my money back....

I don't mean warranty that will involve another rebuild oh..... then technicalities will come into play..... oil and filter etc that client must bear plus the time it will take for another rebuild ..... abeg.... mbok... I will be needing my money back.

the 30 percent forgone is the usage of the engine in terms of service usage before the catastrophe.

one thing is this, a well seasoned mechanic knows a good engine when he analyses it. it's this simple.

We give that and 100% warranty. Next issue?
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 2:54pm On Aug 17, 2018
diportivo:



sell the old engine to offset most of the labour charge...ofcos kazeem won't even charge 50k

we have a winner already grin grin

I forgot you guys don't keep your engines a long time. You would be better off with option 2 if you did.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 2:54pm On Aug 17, 2018
obekediamondfuto:


baba u needn't go brutal on mama na.....

OK lemme say this for her.

40 percent discount for the rebuild labour charge.

now will u reconsider? and also a free lunch to top it? Jamaican or Chinese... ur preference!

I offer better than that already but I accept your offer grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 3:09pm On Aug 17, 2018
radautoworks:
Question for the house.

If the costs were like this, which would you do?
ENGINE SWAP BY NAIJA SHOP
Used Ladipo engine N150k
Labor (10 hrs) N50,000

Or

ENGINE REBUILD BY RAD AUTO WORKS
US Parts N 109,500
Labor (19hrs) N95,000
1 year warranty parts and labor

Which would you do?

POST FURTHER CLARIFIED. HOW ABOUT NOW?
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by obekediamondfuto(m): 3:12pm On Aug 17, 2018
radautoworks:


We give that and 100% warranty. Next issue?

seLiously?

are u for real? I'll get my 70percent back in event of any failure?

I just cannot help but sense that there is a disclaimer that will void this contract...... always......

no vex, just that I'm programmed to think that way..... only when I experience it live..... then and only then will I now accept.


incredible!
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 3:12pm On Aug 17, 2018
obekediamondfuto:


engine swap? first grade, direct fit and measurements from the factory.....assurance from quality assurance officers ...... and time efficient.

rebuild? only if I get a 1yr warranty.... that in event of any failure I get 70percent of my money back....

I don't mean warranty that will involve another rebuild oh..... then technicalities will come into play..... oil and filter etc that client must bear plus the time it will take for another rebuild ..... abeg.... mbok... I will be needing my money back.

the 30 percent forgone is the usage of the engine in terms of service usage before the catastrophe.

one thing is this, a well seasoned mechanic knows a good engine when he analyses it. it's this simple.

Not always true. I mentioned earlier that with the equipment we have, we could fool a seasoned mechanic because the fault would be internal and only discovered when it was installed and then torn down. Happens all the time. Only way to be sure at purchase is to make sure they have tested the engine previously and promise to take it back if it doesn't start.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 3:15pm On Aug 17, 2018
obekediamondfuto:


seLiously?

are u for real? I'll get my 70percent back in event of any failure?

I just cannot help but sense that there is a disclaimer that will void this contract...... always......

no vex, just that I'm programmed to think that way..... only when I experience it live..... then and only then will I now accept.


incredible!

Beweave it Gina! Beweave it!!

Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 3:17pm On Aug 17, 2018
You guys will soon understand we are not here to play. Nothing I've said is strange or unusual in the USA. It's the bare minimum. If I have to live in Naija, you best believe it will become the bare minimum here. Just give it some time.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Mayor555(m): 3:20pm On Aug 17, 2018
radautoworks:


Not always true. I mentioned earlier that with the equipment we have, we could fool a seasoned mechanic because the fault would be internal and only discovered when it was installed and then torn down. Happens all the time. Only way to be sure at purchase is to make sure they have tested the engine previously and promise to take it back if it doesn't start.

But one can run an engine on ground...the ears of gods will hear, if something is wrong, couple with physical inspection.

Engines can be bought without going wrong...

Or I'm getting something wrong?

By the way, I have a rebuilt engine still going strong after 8yrs. But it was not done in Nigeria.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 3:32pm On Aug 17, 2018
Mayor555:


But one can run an engine on ground...the ears of gods will hear, if something is wrong, couple with physical inspection.

Engines can be bought without going wrong...

Or I'm getting something wrong?

By the way, I have a rebuilt engine still going strong after 8yrs. But it was not done in Nigeria.

I did say you would have to run it. I didn't say they couldn't be bought without going wrong. My point is chances of an issue are higher.

So I assume you're so confident in your engine picking abilities you offer a warranty like Gazzuzz? Because even there where they run and test engines before sale, we have received bad ones.

I will never be able to sleep as well at night with a bought one versus one that I know what was done to it. It's the engine replacements that used to keep me up at night.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Inception(m): 3:34pm On Aug 17, 2018
radautoworks:


POST FURTHER CLARIFIED. HOW ABOUT NOW?

Wow this is bold shocked
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Mayor555(m): 3:38pm On Aug 17, 2018
radautoworks:


I did say you would have to run it. I didn't say they couldn't be bought without going wrong. My point is chances of an issue are higher.

So I assume you're so confident in your engine picking abilities you offer a warranty like Gazzuzz? Because even there where they run and test engines before sale, we have received bad ones.

I will never be able to sleep as well at night with a bought one versus one that I know what was done to it. It's the engine replacements that used to keep me up at night.

Aunty Radu ma, you need the ears and the sight of gods.

If any kamaru for naija loose engine and couple am back, if the car pass my side, the sound of the car go relate the condition; no matter the calmness...
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 5:09pm On Aug 17, 2018
Mayor555:


Aunty Radu ma, you need the ears and the sight of gods.

If any kamaru for naija loose engine and couple am back, if the car pass my side, the sound of the car go relate the condition; no matter the calmness...

So what's your warranty?
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by thebigkendo(m): 5:29pm On Aug 17, 2018
obekediamondfuto:


engine swap? first grade, direct fit and measurements from the factory.....assurance from quality assurance officers ...... and time efficient.

rebuild? only if I get a 1yr warranty.... that in event of any failure I get 70percent of my money back....

I don't mean warranty that will involve another rebuild oh..... then technicalities will come into play..... oil and filter etc that client must bear plus the time it will take for another rebuild ..... abeg.... mbok... I will be needing my money back.

the 30 percent forgone is the usage of the engine in terms of service usage before the catastrophe.

one thing is this, a well seasoned mechanic knows a good engine when he analyses it. it's this simple.

grin grin grin grin Your type na bad market
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Mayor555(m): 8:48pm On Aug 17, 2018
radautoworks:


So what's your warranty?

Warranty ke? I'm not an Auto tech somebody na... Just a layman passing by, giving a layman's observation over time in his auto endeavors...
Remember I asked if there's something I was not getting right...
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by obekediamondfuto(m): 8:50pm On Aug 17, 2018
thebigkendo:


grin grin grin grin Your type na bad market

yes na, na assurance be that oh..... the contract must be typewritten and signed with stamp to avoid any talk like falsifying or doctoring.

I've seen mechanics in owerri work engines and the owners come and drive 2 poles and the mechanic will start working on it there again .... 2poles per service till the owner gets home as owner and mechanic are both tired of the car.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by thebigkendo(m): 9:04pm On Aug 17, 2018
obekediamondfuto:


yes na, na assurance be that oh..... the contract must be typewritten and signed with stamp to avoid any talk like falsifying or doctoring.

I've seen mechanics in owerri work engines and the owners come and [b]drive 2 poles and the mechanic will start working on it there again .... 2poles per service till the owner gets home [/b]as owner and mechanic are both tired of the car.

Interesting
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 10:06pm On Aug 17, 2018
Mayor555:


Warranty ke? I'm not an Auto tech somebody na... Just a layman passing by, giving a layman's observation over time in his auto endeavors...
Remember I asked if there's something I was not getting right...

Sorry. Mixed you up with the other mayor

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 10:52pm On Aug 17, 2018
diportivo:



sell the old engine to offset most of the labour charge...ofcos kazeem won't even charge 50k

we have a winner already grin grin

Glad you said that. Remember that engine you are buying is someone else's "sell the old engine to lower the labor costs" grin

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by weyreypey: 11:49pm On Aug 17, 2018
we love em.... saves time and strength of slapping a mecho around for a poor rebuilt job

radautoworks:


Glad you said that. Remember that engine you are buying is someone's sell the old engine to lower the labor costs grin
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by diportivo: 3:54am On Aug 18, 2018
radautoworks:


Glad you said that. Remember that engine you are buying is someone else's "sell the old engine to lower the labor costs" grin


you have a point there,but......

Mayor555:


Aunty Radu ma, you need the ears and the sight of gods.

end of story

grin grin grin

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 4:17am On Aug 18, 2018
diportivo:



you have a point there,but......



end of story

grin grin grin

Chikena. Case closed gbam!
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Piyke: 5:58pm On Aug 18, 2018
radautoworks:
Question for the house.

If the costs were like this, which would you do?
ENGINE SWAP BY NAIJA SHOP
Used Ladipo engine N150k
Labor (10 hrs) N50,000

Or

ENGINE REBUILD BY RAD AUTO WORKS
US Parts N 109,500
Labor (19hrs) N95,000
1 year warranty parts and labor

Which would you do?

I will do the rebuild with Rad without blinking. I have been waiting for these kind of services a loooooooong time. I will even ship the engine from Abuja to Lagos for the rebuild. I actually think it's a particular clientele that would demand rebuild services. I just won't be at peace to choose a replace when there's a proven rebuild available. Will have gone for a replacement if your type are not available.

Reminds me of how I once drove over 500km (gombe to Abuja) in 2010 to meet a Honda Place mechanic on account of a P2646 (was very naive knew nothing about cars). Car was in limp mode but I planned driving slow and steady. I was out of luck with Gombe Kazeems; the most promising one told me "Oga walahi na senso froblem" in the end he blocked inlets to my IACV angry. After a few days with my car acting like a drunkard, I told Kazeem to reverse his evil engineering. He did.
Long story short, when I commenced the journey to Abuja the CEL disappeared before 100km. Looking back now, it must have been a loose connection. I still continued to Abuja and the Honda place guy turned out to be an English speaking Kazeem cheesy. Told me to replace fuel pump. For a P2646

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 7:48pm On Aug 18, 2018
Piyke:



Reminds me of how I once drove over 500km (gombe to Abuja) in 2010 to meet a Honda Place mechanic on account of a P2646 (was very naive knew nothing about cars). Car was in limp mode but I planned driving slow and steady. I was out of luck with Gombe Kazeems; the most promising one told me "Oga walahi na senso froblem" in the end he blocked inlets to my IACV angry. After a few days with my car acting like a drunkard, I told Kazeem to reverse his evil engineering. He did.

ROFL! My mom grew up in the North and this would have her dead lipsrsealed
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Specialist900(m): 8:55am On Aug 22, 2018
Piyke:


I will do the rebuild with Rad without blinking. I have been waiting for these kind of services a loooooooong time. I will even ship the engine from Abuja to Lagos for the rebuild. I actually think it's a particular clientele that would demand rebuild services. I just won't be at peace to choose a replace when there's a proven rebuild available. Will have gone for a replacement if your type are not available.

Reminds me of how I once drove over 500km (gombe to Abuja) in 2010 to meet a Honda Place mechanic on account of a P2646 (was very naive knew nothing about cars). Car was in limp mode but I planned driving slow and steady. I was out of luck with Gombe Kazeems; the most promising one told me "Oga walahi na senso froblem" in the end he blocked inlets to my IACV angry. After a few days with my car acting like a drunkard, I told Kazeem to reverse his evil engineering. He did.
Long story short, when I commenced the journey to Abuja the CEL disappeared before 100km. Looking back now, it must have been a loose connection. I still continued to Abuja and the Honda place guy turned out to be an English speaking Kazeem cheesy. Told me to replace fuel pump. For a P2646
I visited Briscoe service centre in abuja only to find gallons of empty 20w-50 engine oil in their dumpsite. I was shocked. And then imagine how much customers pay to have their cars serviced in such centres only to be rendered poor services

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by weyreypey: 9:11am On Aug 22, 2018
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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by weyreypey: 9:11am On Aug 22, 2018
Specialist900:
I visited service centre in abuja only to find gallons of empty 20w-50 engine oil in their dumpsite. I was shocked. And then imagine how much customers pay to have their cars serviced in such centres only to be rendered poor services
What?
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Kashif(m): 10:38am On Aug 22, 2018
Specialist900:
I visited Briscoe service centre in abuja only to find gallons of empty 20w-50 engine oil in their dumpsite. I was shocked. And then imagine how much customers pay to have their cars serviced in such centres only to be rendered poor services

To add to that, many of them don't change the filter. Shitty techs sell replacement filters released by the shops. Boils down to BS supervision.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Piyke: 12:27pm On Aug 22, 2018
Specialist900:
I visited Briscoe service centre in abuja only to find gallons of empty 20w-50 engine oil in their dumpsite. I was shocked. And then imagine how much customers pay to have their cars serviced in such centres only to be rendered poor services

This is the problem. No accountability. Even one Elizade my friend was using used 20w-50 as well! Same Abuja as well. You spend so much only to have your car kazimized by Kamaru's in coveralls

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