spyder880:

After adding the N12000 that was paid yesterday to water the foundation, the cummulative total stands at N531,850.00 spent so far on this duplex project. More updates later in the day as am heading off to the site now.

the pay don dey add weight small small o,  anyway, thanks for the update,  I must say here that your pattern and style of building would really encourage many that would visit this thread to start smthn, 

if some people hear that, to start an average building up to german floor would be over a million, might be discouraged, especially in a country where the chunk of people earn far less than 1million / yr.  but if from what you have done so far and it just over half a million,  then hope fit dey for the boyz.

cheers and keep d updates rolling,  ehen no 4get use your Nokia snap the foto O,

Apollonio:

@ All that has contributed to this thread so far ,especially the original author spyder880 and the one and only strong lone child,I say a big well done and more power to your able elbows.

@ am alone,
I referred this thread to a builder and he commended your eyes for details and also made an interesting comment that some  projects like yours are done with a plan of converting the building into a duplex or multi-purpose guesthouse in the future,because it will have a lot of spaces to manouver and erect things like lift or stairs.
It sounded like a good idea to me and I want to ask you if that is part of your plans because a friend of mine seeking advice from me is interested in doing something like that,ie build a cute bungalow where he will call home for a very long time with his current resources and converting it into something bigger as resources flow in and family sets in or when the community opens up opportunities for tourism or something.

Cheers and peace to all.

Yes, the builder is right all the way, but for me, I had no such intentions at all!
I love classy stuffs! And that is it.
I know if I build mysef a very fine house,
tomorrow, maybe I get tired of living in it, I can
easily put it up in the market and some a whole lot of money from it--- that's all

@ am alone, NOW u get my gist! Same for electrical wire and cables! Read up BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS WISE UP NOW!

@ kuntash, I have replied to your post. Do check it out, and encourage me more with your observations!

@ spyder, at long last. Ji sie ike, brother! Nothing do u!

@all, do get your best qoutes for wire/cables for your properties from maxndianaefo@yahoo.com.

I throwe salute for everyone in house,  You all doing great job here.
I'm a fresher!!! I'll like to join you all in the quest, but first I need a land in a decent area.
Anyone with a good offer should please contact me.

I am still counting bags of cement used for the German floor, we are trying to complete it today. I will update us with pictures and costs later today.

@Spyder880,
Good job! I like the way you are updating the building process without any ambiguity. Thanks for that, looking forward to the next update.

Sagewood:

@Spyder880,
Good job! I like the way you are updating the building process without any ambiguity. Thanks for that, looking forward to the next update.

Thank you bros, its a pleasure.

We completed the German floor today around 7pm. It was dark so I couldnt take pictures to upload. That will be done tomorrow or next. The total cost used for the German floor was like this
20 bags of cement @ 1800 = N36000.00 (it took 23 bags overall, I had around 13 bags left from previous stock, so I still have 10 bags for the block work)
20 pcs of plank for the boarding of the foundation mouth N14000.00
transports and loading N4000.00
carpentry N2000.00
pouring and labour N13200.00
misc. N3800.00
Grand total = N73,000.00 + 531,850.00 = N 604,850.00

Total money spent so far on this project is what I just gave above. We have completed the German floor. By next week, we are commencing with block work. (easy work) I still have like 650 pcs of blocks and 10 bags of cement on the ground. Pictures will follow as soon as I can upload them, maybe next week Monday.
Still N604,850.00 spent so far.

@ spyder,
You did very well negotiating the carpentry work
I mean @2,000 Naira
That is magnificent
Well location matters sha
here in Lagos, Carpentry works are trice more expensive(I think)
Secondly, 23 bags of cement
At what ratio??
I use 80 Bags of cement for my German floor
And the thickness is 3 inches(though the house is big and the balcony is 4 inches thick 13 by 14 or so)
And the cements was mixed with machine!!

@ Brabus abeg how many bags of cement you use take do your German floor??

@Spyder880,
I am planning a Six-Bedroom Mansion with 2 living rooms and a family room (den). Please can you tell me how many rooms you have from your house design, that will be downstairs and how many upstairs? I need it to be able to make some comparative analysis for my soon to commence project.

@Am_Alone, It is in the attention to details during construction that sets us apart and produces homes of quality without compromise.

I used 80 bags. I can still recollect that 16 bags was used in one of the rooms (a room measuring 14ft x 14ft). I even paid N70k for the concrete mixer and the aboki's who did the job.

A friend of mine said he used 100 bags of cement to deck his 4 flat. I told him "It is your house, not mine"

Am Alone:

@ spyder,
You did very well negotiating the carpentry work
I mean @2,000 Naira
That is magnificent
Well location matters sha
here in Lagos, Carpentry works are trice more expensive(I think)
Secondly, 23 bags of cement
At what ratio??
I use 80 Bags of cement for my German floor
And the thickness is 3 inches(though the house is big and the balcony is 4 inches thick 13 by 14 or so)
And the cements was mixed with machine!!

@ Brabus abeg how many bags of cement you use take do your German floor??

What the carpenter did was just to use planks and board the mouth of the blocks protruding from the German floor, just  day job which he finished before 11am. We used only 23 bags and got a thickness of 4" in mos parts, except fot two small sections where the engineer measured for 3". The mixture was just 12 headpans of sand and 12 headpans of gravel to one bag of cemeent. Na small house sha.

@brabus, do you know the recommended ratio of cement to sand/granite/ gravel etc mixing for such important stages such as foundation/ german flooring and decking and stairs for a Six BR Mansion?
If there are any guidelines or recommendations from seasoned builders/ developers and structural engineers, please let us know so that nairalanders will be able to monitor the quality of their projects. Thanks for all your contributions.

Sagewood:

@Spyder880,
I am planning a Six-Bedroom Mansion with 2 living rooms and a family room (den). Please can you tell me how many rooms you have from your house design, that will be downstairs and how many upstairs? I need it to be able to make some comparative analysis for my soon to commence project.

I have 2 bedrooms downstairs and four upstairs, all 4 upstairs and one downstairs will be ensuit except for the single room dowstairs that will have a general toilet attached to the side, for temporal visitors use. I have only one big sitting room downstairs and two sit outs, one up and one downstairs.

@Spyder880, Small House, Six Rooms!

1.2.4 concrete mix for foundation and ground floor slab.  Cement/Sand/Granite

brabus:

@Am_Alone, It is in the attention to details during construction that sets us apart and produces homes of quality without compromise.

I used 80 bags. I can still recollect that 16 bags was used in one of the rooms (a room measuring 14ft x 14ft). I even paid N70k for the concrete mixer and the aboki's who did the job.

A friend of mine said he used 100 bags of cement to deck his 4 flat. I told him "It is your house, not mine"

How could anyone use 100 bags to do a decking of 4 flats?

brabus:

@Spyder880, Small House, Six Rooms!

1.2.4 concrete mix for foundation and ground floor slab.  Cement/Sand/Granite

brabus:

@Spyder880, Small House, Six Rooms!

1.2.4 concrete mix for foundation and ground floor slab.  Cement/Sand/Granite

Its a small house, not like a double decker hostel or a 6 flat block. These mixtures also have a lot to do with soil type, water content of soil, slope of the area and other conditions. It is not set in stone.

spyder880:

How could anyone use 100 bags to do a decking of 4 flats?

I wonder o! Just as I am shocked to hear say you use 23 bags of cement do your Six Bedroom Duplex. I think this thread needs a new title.

Speaking from first hand past experiences it is recommended to never enter this blindly, which is exactly what I did some few years back when I entered construction. This just isn’t the manner by which to go about things, save cost, never count on trial and error, do not throw away your time and money by making things up as you go.

The wise man learns from someone else’s mistakes, the smart man learns from his own, and the stupid one never learns.

The only thing that can be said of a man who use more materials in building HIS house is that he is too wasteful and nothing more.

Read more in "Who Builds Your Home?"
http://bosundavies.blog.com/2011/03/12/who-builds-your-home/

brabus:

I wonder o! Just as I am shocked to hear say you use 23 bags of cement do your Six Bedroom Duplex. I think this thread needs a new title.

Speaking from first hand past experiences it is recommended to never enter this blindly, which is exactly what I did some few years back when I entered construction. This just isn’t the manner by which to go about things, save cost, never count on trial and error, do not throw away your time and money by making things up as you go.

The wise man learns from someone else’s mistakes, the smart man learns from his own, and the silly one never learns.

The only thing that can be said of a man who use more materials in building HIS house is that he is too wasteful and nothing more.

Read more in "Who Builds Your Home?"
http://bosundavies.blog.com/2011/03/12/who-builds-your-home/

I laughed when I read this, people are quick to throw words around as soon as they think people are not doing what they are doing. But keep the criticism coming. We learn that way. I have done concrete works so many times that I have lost count the number of houses we worked on.
I also understand there are so many variables which could increase/reduce your cement use. These factors include;
workers stealing your cement and counting it as part of the ones used.
Your mixture, I have seen where a govt official (dont want to name names) used a bag to mix two headpans!
Wastages, especially when you are not around.


My house is very small, occupies a very small space on the ground, only two rooms and not six as you said earlier, please look at my house plans on page 2 and compare it with your own space and thickness of floor before making any more comments.
It will be very unfortunate to overuse materials just to please anyone.

@ Brabus,

You are still my MAN!!!!
The 1:2:4 you use for your house
is exactly what was used for mine
and I gave the cement mixer 73k for the mixing and labour
I used Granite! And as we know granite is quite better than gravel

Mr. Spider, before you say 4.7million including land is too much for as bungalow to the stage it is as @ now
next time try to ask for the qualities of materials & labour used on the project
please compare 1:12:12 to 1:2:4 hahahahah!!!!
even the blocks you are molding is not machine vibrated
then to the face that it is around 44 blocks to 1 bag of cement
now I get it when you say you can do better than Brabus with cost
but I must confess that what you are building cannot be compared to what brabus is,
also is this is how you build all those your houses

Even for the small casting of my gutter roof consumed 55 bags of cement
1:12:12 and you get mouth dey talk say wetin I dey build dey too expensive
If i used 1:12:12 and gravel and mould 44 blocks to a bag of cement for block(non hollowed blocks is 26 to a bag of cement bros)
by now my total cost will be around 1.2million man!!!!
@kuntash!!! I hope you are following

Brabus no argue with am again ooo
as u said "somepeople will never learn!"

Am Alone:

@ Brabus,

You are still my MAN!!!!
The 1:2:4 you use for your house
is exactly what was used for mine
and I gave the cement mixer 73k for the mixing and labour
I used Granite! And as we know granite is quite better than gravel

Mr. Spider, before you say 4.7million including land is too much for as bungalow to the stage it is as @ now
next time try to ask for the qualities of materials & labour used on the project
please compare 1:12:12 to 1:2:4 hahahahah!!!!
even the blocks you are molding is not machine vibrated
then to the face that it is around 44 blocks to 1 bag of cement
now I get it when you say you can do better than Brabus with cost
but I must confess that what you are building cannot be compared to what brabus is,
also is this is how you build all those your houses

Even for the small casting of my gutter roof consumed 55 bags of cement
1:12:12 and you get mouth dey talk say wetin I dey build dey too expensive
If i used 1:12:12 and gravel and mould 44 blocks to a bag of cement for block(non hollowed blocks is 26 to a bag of cement bros)
by now my total cost will be around 1.2million man!!!!
@kuntash!!! I hope you are following

If only you spent a little time at school, you will understand the meaning of ratios. But its unfortunate you need lectures, 1:2:4 to cement (lets assume a bag of cement has 4 headpans) it means that you use up to 8 headpans of sand and 16 of gravel, even more than what I used!

Is there anyway we can keep illiterates away from this great forum, any suggestions?

^^c olodo dey call person olodo!!!

Na

spyder880:

If only you spent a little time at school, you will understand the meaning of ratios. But its unfortunate you need lectures, 1:2:4 to cement [b](lets assume a bag of cement has 4 headpans)[/b] it means that you use up to 8 headpans of sand and 16 of gravel, even more than what I used!

Assuming kor, Azubike Ni!!
@ spyder you are the illiterate here
the ratio 1 for the cement is half bag of cement foooooooooolz @40
a bag of cement  contains 2 headpan

Am Alone:

Brabus no argue with am again ooo
as u said "somepeople will never learn!"

Right from the first day you joined my thread, you have been looking for a fight, I suggest you leave now, open your thread and watch me from the sidelines, clearly, you dont understand anything about buildings, you are brash and boastful, very insolent and uncourt! Learn some manners man!

spyder880:

Right from the first day you joined my thread, you have been looking for a fight, I suggest you leave now, open your thread and watch me from the sidelines, clearly, you dont understand anything about buildings, you are brash and boastful, very insolent and uncourt! Learn some manners man!

You are the insolent one here Mr. Spyder
It is a waste so long as it is not done by you
now a government worker you've said
wasting money!!!!
Do you think Julius Berger is a fool?
or those Arab contractors are fool huh?!
Or the forth milan bridge was build with 20 bags of cement?
And mind you it is not your thread
There is no forum rule that says I should not post of this thread

You go look for your own thread!!!
"Very Very Cheap And Substandard Way Of Building A Six Bedroom Duplex" lol!!!

What you don't understand is that
cement is like alcohol, while granite and sand is like water to it
The more you keep adding granite and water and sand the more diluted it becomes
and you know it!
You are mix-leading people I will not watch you do that
Shey na only you do german floor here?
Abi Brabus do him own? And i dey very sure say
if other people post their own he go correspond with ours
but to you we dey waste money!!!!
People like you never learn
Then you go say: "Everybody can be wrong!"

Am Alone:

@ spyder you are the illiterate here
the ratio 1 for the cement is 1 bag not headpand foooooooooolz @40

Now, let me lecture you on elementary mathematiics, a bag of cement as to a ratio of 2 means a bag of cement x 2, now measure that with headpaans, we are talking about 2 bags of cement of 50kg each. Tell me how many headpans you get from that. Apply the same formular to stone and you will get like 16 headpans, while I only used 12. My advice to you is to go back to school, you sound like a spoilt brat the type of insults you throw around.

Am Alone:

What you don't understand is that
cement is like alcohol, while granite and sand is like water to it
The more you keep adding granite and water and sand the more diluted it becomes
and you know it!
You are mix-leading people I will not watch you do that
Shey na only you do german floor here?
Abi Brabus do him own? And i dey very sure say
if other people post their own he go correspond with ours
but to you we dey waste money!!!!
People like you never learn
Then you go say: "Everybody can be wrong!"

Chei!! Mix-leading people? Grammer don scatter finish! Just save us the stress and go back to school.

You go back to school
Go and complete what you started there
You don't know, don't say
One bag of cement can even be converted to 26 head-pans
depending the quantity to which you are diving it
But for a standard, it is divided into just 2 head-pans
You get the logic

So tell me, for the decking you will still mix 1:12:12 abi
Since 1:2:4 According to you is a waste of money
please do it your way 1:12:12 for the decking
THANKS

Yes Mix-leading
what if I say I choose to spell it that way
Or I say I mistype?? Man that mix there is for the 1:12:12 you mixed
na wetin you won take talk now!!!
LOL nobody is perfect maybe you should go back to all my post
I'm sure you will get some more to laff about

You sick!

brabus:

@Am_Alone, It is in the attention to details during construction that sets us apart and produces homes of quality without compromise.

I used 80 bags. I can still recollect that 16 bags was used in one of the rooms (a room measuring 14ft x 14ft). I even paid N70k for the concrete mixer and the aboki's who did the job.

A friend of mine said he used 100 bags of cement to deck his 4 flat. I told him "It is your house, not mine"

This guy told very big white lie here, and I caught him red handed. Lets briefly go back to post number 137 on page 5 of this thread. He said he used 120 bags of cement for his German floor and on this post, he is saying only 80 bags? Why do we like lying?
We should please state the right accounts about our buildings and not play to the gallery as to make people think we are rich. That was very childish.