aribisala0:

immediately after the war ended there was a sense of deep hurt in the east .
sadly they had lost the war and quite painfully too with lots of lives lost BUT
none of the post war narratives dared to villify any characters from the North
NOT ONE
e.g. Yakubu Gowon
    Hassan Katsina
    Murtala Muhammad
     T. Danjuma to name a few

even from the west Olusegun Obasanjo and
  the so-called Black Scorpion were all spared any
popular criticism


These were after all principal actors in the whole debacle. why does no one point the accusing finger at these lot.

The answer is quite simple really they were all military figures and in the prevailing mood the Nigerian military were greatly feared as such coming to terms with the psychological trauma has entailed transference of angst and so we observe the  casting of  Awolowo as the villain in chief. He was civilian and was a readily available scapegoat for all evils.
i will not come to his defence but whatever he did there were others who did a lot worse
what is striking is that the victims cannot even name them much less or more confront them or villify them . a very complex, psychology not dissimilar to that observed in victims of intimate abuse. fascinating

aribisala0:

immediately after the war ended there was a sense of deep hurt in the east .
sadly they had lost the war and quite painfully too with lots of lives lost BUT
none of the post war narratives dared to villify any characters from the North
NOT ONE
e.g. Yakubu Gowon
    Hassan Katsina
    Murtala Muhammad
     T. Danjuma to name a few

even from the west Olusegun Obasanjo and
  the so-called Black Scorpion were all spared any
popular criticism


These were after all principal actors in the whole debacle. why does no one point the accusing finger at these lot.

The answer is quite simple really they were all military figures and in the prevailing mood the Nigerian military were greatly feared as such coming to terms with the psychological trauma has entailed transference of angst and so we observe the  casting of  Awolowo as the villain in chief. He was civilian [/b]and was a readily available scapegoat for all evils.
i will not come to his defence but whatever he did there were others who did a lot worse
what is striking is that the victims cannot even name them much less or more confront them or villify them . a very complex, psychology not dissimilar to that observed in victims of intimate abuse. fascinating

bashr8:

this has nothing to do with yoruba people but awolowo himself .there are threads for others but this is about awo and his lies. our parents never got their money back in the west and north, they also lost all their shares in the major companies in nigeria.

aribisala0:

please do not generalize who is you guys? did you read what you just copied. if you copy my post that means you want to have a sensible discussion so do me the courtesy of reading and comprehending what you copy. do not ascribe to me that yoruba or igbo nonsense. you are projecting your own prejudiced emotions.because you are like that does not mean everyone else is i said awo was targeted because he was a civilian. immediately after the war could anyone come out and raise their voice against gowon.

Nchara:

Was Ademoyega also an Igbo Soldier?
After the counter coup in which Igbo soldiers were killed, what happened to Igbo civilians who had no hand in the first coup? Where they spared?

Nchara:

We have long been in democracy where there is no fear of the military men. Why do people still not blame Obasanjo, Gowon, Adekunle and the others? Why do they still blame Awo even in death? You have a lot of questions to answer for yourself. Bye.

dayokanu:

Who did Ademoyega kill?

Nzeogwu killed Bello, Ifeajuna killed Balewa, Nwobosi killed Akintola, Anuforo killed Okotie-Eboh, Tim Onwuategwu killed Ademulegun and his wife in bed

aribisala0:

the narrative is old immediately after trauma there was a need to find closure with a story acceptable to the psyche within the far from neutral political space. people told themselves and their children stories my quetion is this how many of those stories involve NAMED military personnel??

Nchara:

Aribisala:

Those military men had the brawn and the gun but without the brain. Awo supplied the brain power which was most effective compared to the brawn. Without his evil policies, the outcome of the war would be different, I guess.

What was he angry with the Igbos about that led to the actions he took against them?

Nchara:

In  a coup what matters, the one who pulled the trigger or those who were active in coup plottingan dexecution? As to who pulled which trigger, you have no evidence for all your claims.

Nchara:

Aribisala:

Those military men had the brawn and the gun but without the brain. Awo supplied the brain power which was most effective compared to the brawn. Without his evil policies, the outcome of the war would be different, I guess.

What was he angry with the Igbos about that led to the actions he took against them?

aribisala0:

sometimes you mix emotion to the extent of forgetting reality.

how would the 20 pound policy have affected the outcome of the war .

you know religion is a funny thing we need devils just as much as we need gods
may we all find enlightenment

aribisala0:

you have made my point perfectly for me.
this is what the victims needed to believe in order to move on . that is what they told themselves ,repeatedly, and their children.
i do not comment on whether that is true or not but psychologically evolved people must see the purpose/function of narratives in general and that one specifically.

if indeed it is true that the outcome of a war would be different without"evil policies" most rational humans will pursue "evil" policies and we should not be sentimental about it
war can be evil and there is no creature more evil that the human

Nchara:

Not on the 20 pound policy which was after the war but on the acceptance to work with the North to decimate Biafra and the starvation policy he established
What did Igbos do to him before then? If he claims ''Igbos'' did a coup that killed Akintola (whom he was not friends with anyways), what about the revenge killing of Ironsi and other Igbo soldiers in the North? Was that not enough?

Katsumoto:

And when you are presented with the evidence, you will either deny them, blaming some funny conspiracy, or keep quiet.

Aigbofa:

He only safeguarded the interests of his people, nothing personal, nothing against Ndigbo.    

bashr8:

the igbos judging from their success are the only group that have moved ahead it seems the north and south west are the victims of the war still battling with poverty and worse off from where they were before the war and lets not forget what the ogonis and ijaws have been going through since then, we only want to set the records straight.

Nchara:

Yes, evidence to show that all those individuals he listed pulled the different triggers on the different victims.
Then follow up with the role that Ademoyega himself played. Unless you tell me he was in the coup for the fun of it.
Then tell me that the killing of Ironsi, Unegbe (then Quatermaster General) and 100s of Igbo officers and soldiers was not revenge enough
Yet Igbo civillians were killed in 1000s, leading to Igbos been forced to save their lives in their own country.

Go ahead and break it down for me.

Katsumoto:

Did you read any comments on me whether the retaliation was justified or not?

dayokanu:

You wanted war, Black Scorpion gave it -to you in full dose. Now you are moaning they didnt feed you?

Wigga what do you think war is?

Eko Ile:

Whats really cold blooded is the fact that some incompetent man and a poor planner took your people took war without making arrangememt  safe and secured food supply.

You dont go took to war and end up depending on your enemy to feed your own army, that was just reta.rded.

It was also cold blooded that the man responsible for your feeding and safety was denying you food by taking bribe and extorting money from food aid groups.

Awolowo was not responsible for the people of biafra, ojuku was. That you still have to deal with.

Katsumoto:

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Secondly, the migration pattern is the true indication of economic prosperity.

Katsumoto:

That s another lie you tell yourselves. Contentment with one's lot in life is the basis of happiness and not material wealth.

Secondly, the migration pattern is the true indication of economic prosperity.

bashr8:

south west is the poorest region in the south its no secret ,even lagos have more poverty rate than any south east or rivers and delta, lets not evn talk about the north.

Katsumoto:

That s another lie you tell yourselves. Contentment with one's lot in life is the basis of happiness and not material wealth.

Secondly, the migration pattern is the true indication of economic prosperity.

DeeMain:


@Dayokanu we didn't want war. We wanted to seceed. Nobody gets mowed down the way Biafrans were without trying to self-preserve.

@ Dayokanu and Eko ile: Moaning they didn't feed you? No, we are not talking about feeding biafrans. Nobody said you should feed your enemy.  We are talking about  the war crime of total food blockade: The existing farmlands in Biafraland was serially decimated via bombs n shelling.  Civilians were the prime target. No food was allowed into hunger-ravished Biafra either by sea, air or by land by any means. No food was allowed into Biafra. Food carrying ships and planes were sent back to their respective countries.  That is the meaning of TOTAL BLOCKADE. That's a crime against humanity. The food blockade killed more biafrans than the superior military arsenal of Nigeria put together.

Death Count: 2 million Biafrans!

YinKay:
CIVIL WAR

Moderator: Yes Mr…….Mr. Oparadike.

Question: Chief Awolowo, your stand on the civil war, however unpopular it may have been to the Biafran people…Your stand on the civil war, however unpopular it may have been to the Biafrans or Ibo people, helped to shorten the war. Today, you’re being cast as the sole enemy of the Ibo people because of that stand, by among others, some of the people who as members of the federal military government at that time, were party to that decision and are today, in some cases, inheritors of power in one Nigeria which that decision of yours helped to save. How do you feel being cast in this role, and what steps are you taking to endear yourself once again to that large chunk of Nigerians who feels embittered.

Awolowo: As far as I know, the Ibo masses are friendly to me, towards me. In fact, whenever I visit Iboland, either Anambra or Imo, and there’s no campaigning for elections on, the Ibo people receive me warmly and affectionately. But there are some elements in Iboland who believe that they can maintain their popularity only by denigrating me, and so they keep on telling lies against me. Ojukwu is one of them. I don’t want to mention the names of the others because they are still redeemable, but ….Ojukwu is irredeemable so I mention his name, and my attitude to these lies is one of indifference, I must confess to you.


[b]During the war I saw to it that the revenue which was due to the Iboland- South Eastern states they call it, at that time, east central state, I kept it, I saved the money for them. And when they ….was librated I handed over the money to them- millions. If I’d decided to do so, I could have kept the money away from them and then when they took over I saw to it that subvention was given to them at the rate of 990,000 pounds every month. I didn’t go to the executive council to ask for support, or for approval because I knew if I went to the executive council at that time the subvention would not be approved because there were more enemies in the executive council for the Ibos than friends. And since I wasn’t going to take a percentage from what I was going to give them, and I knew I was doing what was right, I wanted the state to survive, I kept on giving the subvention - 990,000 almost a million, every month, and I did that for other states of course- South eastern state, North central state, Kwara and so on.

But I did that for the Ibos, and when the war was over, I saw to it that the ACB got three and a half million pounds to start with. This was distributed  immediately and I gave another sum of money. The attitude of the experts, officials at the time of the ACB was that ACB should be closed down, and I held the view you couldn’t close the ACB down because that is the bank that gives finance to the Ibo traders, and if you close it down they’ll find it difficult to revive or to survive. So it was given. I did the same thing for the Cooperative Bank of Eastern Nigeria, to rehabilitate all these places, and I saw to it as commissioner for finance that no obstacle was placed in the way of the ministry of economic planning in planning for rehabilitation of the war affected areas.[/b]