htajz:

i dont think there was every a time biafrans expected or asked food from nigeria. am not sure where you got that from. or how awolowo came up with that cause its laughable. pls lets all assume that interview is fake cause its filled with soo much lies even though he admitted the 20 pounds policy

I have heard this story over and over again; the allegation against Awolowo was always center around these two issues of food and 20 pounds. If this is the case, what do we expect the man to do? Do we expect him to continue to supply food to the enemies? I don’t want us to be sentimental on this issue; what happen during the civil war are not strange; those are the consequence of war.

Eko Ile,
Another of your demigods OBJ admitted in writing that the fed govt started the war.

LFJ:

I have heard this story over and over again; the allegation against Awolowo was always center around these two issues of food and 20 pounds. If this is the case, what do we expect the man to do? Do we expect him to continue to supply food to the enemies? I don’t want us to be sentimental on this issue; what happen during the civil war are not strange; those are the consequence of war.

Did he actually supply food to the enemy? Was he actually in any position to do so? He simply stopped the supply of food by foreign agencies using Nigerian land/air space. Let's be factual, okay?

[size=16pt] VIDEO EVIDENCE REFUGEES FROM BIAFRA ARRIVE LAGOS for them to be kept from Ojukwu's war. thanks to awolowo[/size]



http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1967/07/22/FS220767100/?s=baifra+ojukwu+lagos&st=0&pn=3

another question. HARD FACTS

WHY DID OJUKWU NOT DO A MEMO ABOUT THE WAR BEFORE HE DIED ?

WHY DID HE NOT TELL US WHAT CONSPIRE BETWEEN HIM AND AWOLOWO AND DISCLAIM AWOLOWO'S FACTS ?

HE was alive then wasn't he

WHY DID NOT NOT DISCLAIM AWOLOWO'S INTERVIEW ?

WHY DID NOT TELL THE IGBOS ABOUT THE CONFLICT HIM AND EFIONG ?

WHY DID NOT TELL IGBOS WHERE THE MILLIONS OF BIAFRA POUNDS ARE ?

WHY CAN'T IGBOS THINK AND SEEK OUT THE TRUTH ?

Ajillo:

Eko Ile,
Another of your demigods OBJ admitted in writing that the fed govt started the war.

Who was supposed to start the war, after all attempts to make peace had been thwarted by Ojukwu? Ghana?

I have heard this story over and over again; the allegation against Awolowo was always center around these two issues of food and 20 pounds. If this is the case, what do we expect the man to do? Do we expect him to continue to supply food to the enemies? I don’t want us to be sentimental on this issue; what happen during the civil war are not strange; those are the consequence of war.

There was never a time Ojukwu asked the fed govt to supply food to Biafra. In fact it was the fed that suggested being in charge of supplies from the aid agencies. Ojukwu stated that Biafra must be in charge. the facts are there. I am surprised that these statements are being made in Nairaland. We have long thrashed these issues in Cyber Eagles.com.  What we are talking about here is territorial blockade against civilian supplies.

LFJ:

I have heard this story over and over again; the allegation against Awolowo was always center around these two issues of food and 20 pounds. If this is the case, what do we expect the man to do? Do we expect him to continue to supply food to the enemies? I don’t want us to be sentimental on this issue; what happen during the civil war are not strange; those are the consequence of war.

but from the interview he clearly admitted the 20 pounds saga so what are you saying, lets stop defending bad things, it maybe your turn tomorrow.

alj_harem:

[size=16pt] VIDEO EVIDENCE REFUGEES FROM BIAFRA ARRIVE LAGOS for them to be kept from Ojukwu's war. thanks to awolowo[/size]



http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1967/07/22/FS220767100/?s=baifra+ojukwu+lagos&st=0&pn=3

another question. HARD FACTS

WHY DID OJUKWU NOT DO A MEMO ABOUT THE WAR BEFORE HE DIED ?

WHY DID HE NOT TELL US WHAT CONSPIRE BETWEEN HIM AND AWOLOWO AND DISCLAIM AWOLOWO'S FACTS ?

HE was alive then wasn't he

WHY DID NOT NOT DISCLAIM AWOLOWO'S INTERVIEW ?

WHY DID NOT TELL THE IGBOS ABOUT THE CONFLICT HIM AND EFIONG ?

WHY DID NOT TELL IGBOS WHERE THE MILLIONS OF BIAFRA POUNDS ARE ?

WHY CAN'T IGBOS THINK AND SEEK OUT THE TRUTH ?

WHO TOLD U HE DIDNT?

HAVE U READ - BECAUSE IM INVOLVED ?

HAVE U READ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Biafra-Story-Frederick-Forsyth/dp/1844155234/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&qid=1322502411&sr=8-32
the biafran story ?

alj_harem:

[size=16pt] VIDEO EVIDENCE REFUGEES FROM BIAFRA ARRIVE LAGOS for them to be kept from Ojukwu's war. thanks to awolowo[/size]



http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1967/07/22/FS220767100/?s=baifra+ojukwu+lagos&st=0&pn=3

another question. HARD FACTS

WHY DID OJUKWU NOT DO A MEMO ABOUT THE WAR BEFORE HE DIED ?

WHY DID HE NOT TELL US WHAT CONSPIRE BETWEEN HIM AND AWOLOWO AND DISCLAIM AWOLOWO'S FACTS ?

HE was alive then wasn't he

WHY DID NOT NOT DISCLAIM AWOLOWO'S INTERVIEW ?

WHY DID NOT TELL THE IGBOS ABOUT THE CONFLICT HIM AND EFIONG ?

WHY DID NOT TELL IGBOS WHERE THE MILLIONS OF BIAFRA POUNDS ARE ?

WHY CAN'T IGBOS THINK AND SEEK OUT THE TRUTH ?

what truth ? that nobody lost his money in banks situated outside the biafran region? look this cattle rearer better stay away from this thread

macjive01:


WHO TOLD U HE DIDNT?

HAVE U READ - BECAUSE IM INVOLVED ?

HAVE U READ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Biafra-Story-Frederick-Forsyth/dp/1844155234/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&qid=1322502411&sr=8-32
the biafran story ?

dude dueddddde

STOP BRING OUT FREDIRCIK forsyth story. He was biased to biafra and you know this unless you want to lie to urself

bashr8:

but from the interview he clearly admitted the 20 pounds saga so what are you saying, lets stop defending bad things, it maybe your turn tomorrow.

The interview is there for discerning minds to read and make up their minds. All these talks of Awo gave us 20 pounds, Awo made a promise and broke it are fit for the beer palour, not a forum like this.

Katsumoto:

Indeed the Biafran delegation to the peace talks in Kampala walked out on May 31st, 1968. In support of Ojukwu’s position, another unnamed Biafran officer told the British journalist, John de St. Jorre,



“If you gave us the choice of 1000 rifles or milk for 50,000 starving children, we’d take the guns.”


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?25442-Nigerian-Army-blunders-during-the-civil-war-Part-1

You are a very funny dude Katsumoto. Indeed you are funny. Every tom , di.ck and harry knows that Britain was in active support
of FGN during the war. So it has come to the point of quoting an obscure mi5 agent to reinforce your bigoted position. How low
can you descend? The whole world know that Britain went to a great extent to mis-characterize Biafra and their struggle.
Quoting an mi5 reporter denotes your desperation.

I will still come back to point out instances where you assumed Yoruba tribalist posture.

bashr8:

what truth ? that nobody lost his money in banks situated outside the biafran region? look this cattle rearer better stay away from this thread

People lost there money outsaid baifra, and so

Was it there money or was the currency not changed ?

Did Ojukwu tell you the truth or not ?

Did ojukwu not tell u that he was importing weapons from the aids ?

STOP LYING TO URSELF IT IS 2011 FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

stop being gullible it is sad

alj_harem:

People lost there money outsaid baifra, and so

Was it there money or was the currency not changed ?

Did Ojukwu tell you the truth or not ?

Did ojukwu not tell u that he was importing weapons from the aids ?

STOP LYING TO URSELF IT IS 2011 FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

stop being gullible it is sad

did biafrans also change the money in the west and north? what happened to their savings ?why was it taken from them while preaching one nigeria ode

bashr8:

did biafrans also change the money in the west and north? what happened to their savings ?why was it taken from them while preaching one nigeria ode

Reasoning as stop thinking like a goat.

Biafrans changed there money from Pounds to baifra money

those that still kept there money as Nigeria's money WERE GIVEN THERE MONEY BACK

Those igbos who were in Lagos we leaving normal and there money and properties intact

after the war, NO IGBO MAN'S MONEY OR PROPERTY WHICH WAS NOT SOLD WAS TAKEN FROM THEM. It was given back to them. Stop this ur propaganda

Ask Ojukwu himself who was given his father house in lagos and kaduna.

stop this ur propaganda

answer my question

WHY DID OJUWKU NOT DISCLAIM AWOLOWO'S STATEMENTS IF THEY WERE WRONG ?

What was he hiding ?

stop decieving urself in this delusion of hate for awolowo. He had nothing absolutlly nothing against Igbos

ACM10:


You are a very funny dude Katsumoto. Indeed you are funny. Every tom , di.ck and harry knows that Britain was in active support
of FGN during the war. So it has come to the point of quoting an obscure mi5 agent to reinforce your bigoted position. How low
can you descend? The whole world know that Britain went to a great extent to mis-characterize Biafra and their struggle.
Quoting an mi5 reporter denotes your desperation.

I will still come back to point out instances where you assumed Yoruba tribalist posture.

You have goofed again. Go and read St. Jorre's book 'Brothers at War' and you will realise that he wrote the book from a Biafran standpoint. Frederick Forsyth was also British; was he writing from the British/Nigerian point of view or the Biafran/Ojukwu point of view? Britain may have supplied Nigeria with weapons but that is not enough to characterise every Briton. It seems that is all you ever do. You will not accept responsibility for your actions or hold your leaders to account; instead you blame everyone else but yourselves.

Seriously, you guys need to spend more time researching this subject before making ignorant statements and embarrassing yourselves.

The interview is medicine after death.  History will judge Awo for what he did before the war than after the war

Awo said over 10 years before Biafra that Nigeria was a "mere geographical expression"

Awo knew that the counter-coup by Gowon and his Northern brothers was not for a united Nigeria where justice and inequity will reign, but for the domination of the rest of Nigeria.

Awo saw the pogrom and massacre that was the Easterners (mostly Ibos) suffered in the hands of the North

Awo saw that  federal government under the control of the North never punished anybody, stopped the killing or compensated the victims.

Awo saw all this things yet joined hands with Gowon to perpetrate this evils and enthrone Hausa hegemony.

He who sees evil and inequity and keeps quiet and much more join hands to perpetrate  it is guilty of evil.

Awo had the chance to say NO to Gowon and his blood-thirty brothers. His rejection of Gowon's appointment would have have altered the pre-civil war event. The North ( and the rest of Nigeria would have forced to deal with the terms of our unity as a NIgerian.

This is the crux of the matter.

Nchara:

Did he actually supply food to the enemy? Was he actually in any position to do so? He simply stopped the supply of food by foreign agencies using Nigerian land/air space. Let's be factual, okay?

What is the different, if you are in his position, I am very sure you will do more than that. War is war, you use all strategies to defeat enemies, and Awolowo, removing all sentiments do no wrong in thinking ahead of opponent. Any reasonable leader will do what Awolowo did; block all the venue that will give the enemies the strength to fight.

LFJ:


What is the different, if you are in his position, I am very sure you will do more than that. War is war, you use all strategies to defeat enemies, and Awolowo, removing all sentiments do no wrong in thinking ahead of opponent. Any reasonable leader will do what Awolowo did; block all the venue that will give the enemies the strength to fight.

so what exactly should we believe that he sent food or that war is war so he had to block food?

Uchek:

The interview is medicine after death.  History will judge Awo for what he did before the war than after the war

Awo said over 10 years before Biafra that Nigeria was a "mere geographical expression"

Awo knew that the counter-coup by Gowon and his Northern brothers was not for a united Nigeria where justice and inequity will reign, but for the domination of the rest of Nigeria.

Awo saw the pogrom and massacre that was the Easterners (mostly Ibos) suffered in the hands of the North

Awo saw that  federal government under the control of the North never punished anybody, stopped the killing or compensated the victims.

Awo saw all this things yet joined hands with Gowon to perpetrate this evils and enthrone Hausa hegemony.

He who sees evil and inequity and keeps quiet and much more join hands to perpetrate  it is guilty of evil.

Awo had the chance to say NO to Gowon and his blood-thirty brothers. His rejection of Gowon's appointment would have have altered the pre-civil war event. The North ( and the rest of Nigeria would have forced to deal with the terms of our unity as a NIgerian.

This is the crux of the matter.

Mechoun
comeback here

Did Awolowo not return Igbos property to them in the west ? Was the same done in Port harcourt

Why are igbos boasting of lands and properties now in Lagos ? Was it not through awolowo ?

He called Nigeria a mere geographical expression because of his friend Nnamdi who saw Nigeria as a country and only for his friend to arrest him after he became to president and spilt the His region into mid-west and west. Or am i lying ?

Did Yorubas not tell Igbos to say in Lagos even though they are very stubborn are went to the east. even till today 1993, 2001 etc Yorubas keep telling the igbos to say in the west but they alway go to the east only for them to STILL blame the same yorubas ?

Awolowo was still in prison by nnamdi in Ojukwu province when the so called Gowon Ojukwu started so how could he have seen this ?

He had not chance to say NO TO GOWON because he was made the finicial minister and also the british threaten to destroy Lagos if awolowo did not join. Moreover Ojukwu was to arrogant and hot headed to listen to awolowo's diplomatic stance

this should kill the matter

Uchek:

The interview is medicine after death.  History will judge Awo for what he did before the war than after the war

Awo said over 10 years before Biafra that Nigeria was a "mere geographical expression"

Awo knew that the counter-coup by Gowon and his Northern brothers was not for a united Nigeria where justice and inequity will reign, but for the domination of the rest of Nigeria.

Awo saw the pogrom and massacre that was the Easterners (mostly Ibos) suffered in the hands of the North

Awo saw that  federal government under the control of the North never punished anybody, stopped the killing or compensated the victims.

Awo saw all this things yet joined hands with Gowon to perpetrate this evils and enthrone Hausa hegemony.

He who sees evil and inequity and keeps quiet and much more join hands to perpetrate  it is guilty of evil.

Awo had the chance to say NO to Gowon and his blood-thirty brothers. His rejection of Gowon's appointment would have have altered the pre-civil war event. The North ( and the rest of Nigeria would have forced to deal with the terms of our unity as a NIgerian.

This is the crux of the matter.

Word! Couldn't have said it better.

When Ibo soldiers were killing other regional leaders while sparing theirs they should have used their common sense but I guessed they had none.

War is war and Benjamin Adekunle knew what war is about not a juvenile Ojukwu who thought it was a friendly match??

bashr8:

so what exactly should we believe that he sent food or that war is war so he had to block food?

What you are to believe is that he acted in the best interest of where he belong, I wonder if you will forgive Ojukwu if he had such opportunity and he failed to use it to defeat his enemies.

Indeed the Biafran delegation to the peace talks in Kampala walked out on May 31st, 1968. In support of Ojukwu’s position, another unnamed Biafran officer told the British journalist, John de St. Jorre,

“If you gave us the choice of 1000 rifles or milk for 50,000 starving children, we’d take the guns.”

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?25442-Nigerian-Army-blunders-during-the-civil-war-Part-1

Yet it was Awolowo who starved them.

“If you gave us the choice of 1000 rifles or milk for 50,000 starving children, we’d take the guns.”


I guess they took the rifles.

dayokanu:



http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?25442-Nigerian-Army-blunders-during-the-civil-war-Part-1

Yet it was Awolowo who starved them.

Did Awo not starve them with food that did not belong to him to begin with?

Did the statement you bolded ever come to pass? If so, can you kindly share with us the evidence?

Can we separate factual events from wishes?

dayokanu:

When Ibo soldiers were killing other regional leaders while sparing theirs they should have used their common sense but I guessed they had none.

War is war and Benjamin Adekunle knew what war is about not a juvenile Ojukwu who thought it was a friendly match??

Was Ademoyega also an Igbo Soldier?
After the counter coup in which Igbo soldiers were killed, what happened to Igbo civilians who had no hand in the first coup? Where they spared?

immediately after the war ended there was a sense of deep hurt in the east .
sadly they had lost the war and quite painfully too with lots of lives lost BUT
none of the post war narratives dared to villify any characters from the North
NOT ONE
e.g. Yakubu Gowon
    Hassan Katsina
    Murtala Muhammad
     T. Danjuma to name a few

even from the west Olusegun Obasanjo and
  the so-called Black Scorpion were all spared any
popular criticism


These were after all principal actors in the whole debacle. why does no one point the accusing finger at these lot.

The answer is quite simple really they were all military figures and in the prevailing mood the Nigerian military were greatly feared as such coming to terms with the psychological trauma has entailed transference of angst and so we observe the  casting of  Awolowo as the villain in chief. He was civilian and was a readily available scapegoat for all evils.
i will not come to his defence but whatever he did there were others who did a lot worse
what is striking is that the victims cannot even name them much less or more confront them or villify them . a very complex, psychology not dissimilar to that observed in victims of intimate abuse. fascinating

aribisala0:

immediately after the war ended there was a sense of deep hurt in the east .
sadly they had lost the war and quite painfully too with lots of lives lost BUT
none of the post war narratives dared to villify any characters from the North
NOT ONE
e.g. Yakubu Gowon
    Hassan Katsina
    Murtala Muhammad
     T. Danjuma to name a few

even from the west Olusegun Obasanjo and
  the so-called Black Scorpion were all spared any
popular criticism


These were after all principal actors in the whole debacle. why does no one point the accusing finger at these lot.

The answer is quite simple really they were all military figures and in the prevailing mood the Nigerian military were greatly feared as such coming to terms with the psychological trauma has entailed transference of angst and so we observe the  casting of  Awolowo as the villain in chief. He was civilian and was a readily available scapegoat for all evils.
i will not come to his defence but whatever he did there were others who did a lot worse
what is striking is that the victims cannot even name them much less or more confront them or villify them . a very complex, psychology not dissimilar to that observed in victims of intimate abuse. fascinating

You know what? Those were soldiers and we know what soldiers do in peace times, let alone in war times

Was Awo a soldier? If it was a Yoruba-Igbo thing as you guys see it, we would also blame Obasanjo and Adekunle. Ask yourself why all the blame goes to Awo. It is not for nothing.

please do not generalize who is you guys? did you read what you just copied. if you copy my post that means you want to have a sensible discussion so do me the courtesy of reading and comprehending what you copy. do not ascribe to me that yoruba or igbo nonsense. you are projecting your own prejudiced emotions.because you are like that does not mean everyone else is

Nchara:

You know what? Those were soldiers and we know what soldiers do in peace times, let alone in war times

Was Awo a soldier? If it was a Yoruba-Igbo thing as you guys see it, we would also blame Obasanjo and Adekunle. Ask yourself why all the blame goes to Awo. It is not for nothing.

i said awo was targeted because he was a civilian. immediately after the war could anyone come out and raise their voice against gowon.

 

All the stories about the war apart, who brought tribalism to Nigeria politics?

How many of us know about carpet crossing? my question for the Yorubas is, what did Awolowo tell the Yorubas that cross-carpeted from NCNC to AG. That marked the birth of Tribalism in Nigeria politrics.

Before that Eyo Ita A Calabar as we Igbos call them is the HEAD of NCNC in the East, An Hausa was a mayor of Enugu. It took Awolowo's instigated cross carpeting in Lagos, to stop Zik from being the first Premier of Western Region. This forced Zik to come back to East and displace Eyo Ita as the leader of NCNC in the East. That was the origin of the Problem between the Igbos and our Calabar brothers.

Of course that was the birth of the mutual suspicion between the Igbos and Yorubas. That would be the only reason while Zik would prefer joining the NPC and not Awo to form a government after our Independence. I also suspect the British must have encouraged Zik also to join the North.

Also, today we are all shouting true Federalism. Was Awolowo not responsible for destroying Nigeria Federalism? He was the only Experienced politician in Gowon's cabinet when they turned our Federal constitution up-side-down. Before the war, funds were shared purely on derivation. The regions have 60% while 40% goes to the center. The collection of the funds were the responsibility of the regional government. During and after the war, they gave the whole funds to the Federal government. They gave the collection to the Federal government. Awolowo was like a father in that cabinet. He was in the midst of young men most of whom look up to him. Yet he allowed all these abnormalities.

Today, the Awoist are more in demand for a true federalism and principle of derivation to be brought back to our constitution. The very principle that Awolowo helped to destroy. Who can explain these to me.

Sorry, I am not holding only Awolowo to account. After a study of Nigeria political past, the only man I can excuse for being a "good but ignorant fool" is Tafawa Belewa. Zik cannot come too clean, just like Awolowo. Ojukwu has his own manipulations. Sauduna, though worked for his people helped in dividing the country more.

To me, we do not have any past hero. These people laid the foundation for the hell of a country we are in today. Forget it they were all mostly driven for the lure of power. We can do better as youths to avoid their bad ways.

The only hero we would have had was Nzeogwu but like all progressives, he under-estimated the powers of the evil men around him. I personally hold Ojukwu responsible for his death. Not only is there a great suspicion that he was killed by Biafran soldiers, Ojukwu refused to assign a command to him out of fear. Nzeogwu as a hero he is chose to operate a one man show - going up the Nsukka axis of the war to fight alone until he was killed. I have people that told me personal accounts of how he operated during the war. Still shed tears when I read or hear about him.

If only Nigeria youth can appreciate this fallen hero the way American black celebrate Malcom X. Nzeogwu was more like our Malcom X.

Side talk: It is nice I just find out I shared same birthday with the Yoruba sage. It will be good if I can whare his intelligence but not as selfish.   

And God will continue to increase your wisdom, apart from the jibes abt baba awolowo, these are my sentiments exactly, especially concerning Major Kaduna Nzeogwu, who in my estimate, is the sole Hero of the past in Nigerian History,