chamotex: If Giggs doesnt come off after that horrible show, then I give up on Fergie.
How he even made the starting line up after his lethargic performance at Anfield beats me.

coogar:

i have a solution:
let's send 5 of our members here to cheshire in balaclavas and a baseball bat to whack the knee-caps of giggsy and scholes! i am nominating starboard, chamotex, emperoh, coded guy and montelik!

Even if we had Pele & Maradona up front it wouldn’t make a difference if Bale, Lennon and their freaking left back can run through our centre midfield unchallenged

montelik:

I am ready whenever the others are. Enough is enough.

Mr_TA: Yep, totally deserved defeat even though we dominated the 2nd half. If anything Im glad we lost, maybe SAF will wake up or seek treatment as he's starting to go senile. Definitely all SAF's fault. The midfield is just disgusting. Especially as a 65 yr old is still our best midfielder. Giggs should be forced into retirement. but I dont even want to name individual players. That one is all SAF as we have the worst midfield in the top 6.

coogar:

ryan giggs is a selfish human being!
what else has he got to prove? he's broken the number of appearances record, he's won more league titles than the other 19 teams put together in the top division have mustered and yet he cannot see he's hindering the growth of the young midfielders in the team!

gary neville decided to retire few seasons back when he realised he was posing a threat to his own team! why can't giggs do the same? it's obvious fergie won't send him packing because of loyalty - but the onus lies on giggs now to go! he's been a great servant for us but its time to go!

Sir Alex ditched Berbatov because he wanted the team to play fast passing football, so what’s the logic behind starting Giggs & Scholes together?

Scholes and Giggs shouldn’t start anymore. I know Paul will get praise for pulling the strings again, but that only happened when Spurs sat back. The one time they attacked with purpose, Dempsey had a free ride down our middle channel and scored.

montelik:

No this is all on SAF. So what if Giggs refuses to retire. SAF should not be picking him for games he is clearly not suited for. SAF is the one who gets the blame. Why is he picking him? Does Giggs have some compromising pictures of him? After all we didn't hang on to Bruce, Robson e.t.c. continually playing them to the detriment of the team.

chic2pimp: My Fellow Scumwats HOW MARKET?

YAYA KASUA?

BAWO NI OJA?

montelik: Would also like to point out 4-4-2 is still our best option, particularly in the league. Unless the makeup of the squad is drastically changed, it remains our strongest formation. Its what occurs most naturally, and when we look our best. Unfortunately with Scholes still controlling midfield for us (not to mention Carrick who is becoming less and less like the player we got in 06), we are very susceptible when playing 4-4-2 unless the opposition drop deep.

montelik: I am not blaming Carrick for today, but he does constitute an under performing asset and frustrating player who can and should do better than good. Question why isn't Carrick the one doing what Scholes does for United today or what Giggs is called on to suck at doing? Its not like we rely on Scholes to make late runs into the box, shoot from the edge of the area, or drive forward in possession like he did previously, skills which have never been strong in Carrick games. Scholes of today and the last 2-3 seasons is longer needed to contribute goals and and assists like before. He simply keeps possession, spreads the ball to the full-backs or wingers, occasionally goes forward once or twice at most per game and plays a handful of through passes now and then. Retain possession and spread play while dictating tempo from the middle, shikena. This is a pretty close description of what Carrick did excellently for Spurs and early in his United days. Yet he is doesn't seem to want it. His game has regressed and he looks all to happy to shy away from the responsibility. Its an indictment of his desire that he isn't the one being asked to do what Scholes is doing since he has (or at least had) the ability to carry out this role without all of the downsides Scholes brings.

Now though he has become a pure anchor, who has feet of stone, dull instincts for the quick pass, he no longer plays the one touch pass like he once did consistently, often looks clumsy and slow minded when he has possession anywhere north of 10 yards in the opposition half. Look I am not saying Carrick is not a good or even a very valuable asset to this team. Just that he is an under-performing one(considering his vast experience and ability).

Scholes has only gotten worse as the years have gone by, yet he still came off his couch and took control of United's midfield while Carrick happily conceded it to him. After 6 consecutive seasons as an almost guaranteed starter he can't take the reigns from a 40 year old who is diminishing with every game. He has refused to step and grab the mantle hence why he is being reduced to carrying water for either Scholes or Giggs as he has done for the last 2-3 seasons and its partly his fault. Its not going to be handed to him, he has to want it, lay his claim for it and if necessary grab it.

Robson grabbed it , Keane did, even Scholes grabbed it from Keane and pushed Veron out, so this isn't a matter of having an aggressive style of play. When CR7 left Rooney stood up and said I am here to lead. Vidic who was Rio's vice in defense,was always looking for it, and stood up when Rio had fitness issues. he is now the undisputed leader of the backline whenever he plays even when Rio is on the pitch despite Rio's greater natural talents. Carrick on the other hand is happy to stand back in the anchor role away from responsibility. A A+ student happy to pass with B's because life is easier that way.

coogar:
this is the most intelligent comment you have posted in years!! einstein would be proud of you in his grave the way you have managed to analyse the match in 3 different languages! you must be a genius, ain't you?

chic2pimp:

No need for all the drivel you wrote right there

HOW MARKET? is the simple question being asked here.

coogar:

we cannot have carrick in scholesy's role until we have fletcher/hargreaves back! without anyone stationed permanently to sit - carrick would always be given that role!


don't kid yourself - no one comes before scholes and giggs as long as lord fergus is concerned! even if we buy xavi/iniesta, fergie would make them sit on the bench for scholes/giggs. do you really think the ruthless fergie of 12 yrs ago would allow this nonsense?




carrick was a young gunslinger in the days of robson/keane. he's now 70. with old age comes ridiculous loyalty, blind trust and reluctance to crack the whip on favourite kids! rio/ vidic are not the same breed of centre-halves.......rooney and ronaldo are not similar! before you blame carrick, remember he was the one that took roy keane's shirt and was fantastic for us in 3 straight seasons without the tenacity and the rashness of roy! the fault lies with the manager, not the player! pogba left because of the same rubbish - he knew he should be getting minutes with his ability but week in week out, he's kept on the bench while he watched giggs/scholes stink the whole joint out!