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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by pamcode(m): 9:34am On Jan 12, 2016 |
MrTA:don't beat yourself Pal If he had stayed he wont have been world class in man utd take it or leave it |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Spy360(m): 10:32am On Jan 12, 2016 |
So we are going to be treated to another dose of 90mins of boring football. Kai! #FeelingBored |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 10:37am On Jan 12, 2016 |
THE 2015 FIFA FIFPRO WORLD XI Goalkeeper: Manuel Neuer (Germany, FC Bayern Munich) Defenders: Dani Alves (Brazil, FC Barcelona) Sergio Ramos (Spain, Real Madrid CF) Thiago Silva (Brazil, Paris Saint-Germain) Marcelo (Brazil, Real Madrid CF) Midfielders: Paul Pogba (France, Juventus) Luka Modric (Croatia, Real Madrid CF) Andrés Iniesta (Spain, FC Barcelona) Forwards Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal, Real Madrid CF) Lionel Messi (Argentina, FC Barcelona) Neymar Jr. (Brazil, FC Barcelona) SECOND TEAM GoalKeeper: David De Gea (Spain, Manchester United) Defenders: David Alaba (Austria, FC Bayern Munich) Philipp Lahm* (Germany, FC Bayern Munich) Gerard Piqué* (Spain, FC Barcelona) Jordi Alba (Spain, FC Barcelona) Midfielders: Eden Hazard (Belgium, Chelsea FC) Toni Kroos* (Germany, Real Madrid CF) Yaya Touré (Ivory Coast, Manchester City FC) Strikers: Zlatan Ibrahimovic* (Sweden, Paris Saint-Germain FC) Robert Lewandowski (Poland, FC Bayern Munich) Luis Suárez (Uruguay, FC Barcelona) THIRD TEAM GoalKeeper Gianluigi Buffon* (Italy, Juventus) Defenders David Luiz* (Brazil, Paris Saint-Germain) Jérôme Boateng (Germany, FC Bayern Munich) Javier Mascherano (Argentina, FC Barcelona) Raphaël Varane (France, Real Madrid CF) Midfielders Sergio Busquets (Spain, FC Barcelona) Marco Verratti (Italy, Paris Saint-Germain) Arturo Vidal (Chile, FC Bayern Munich) Strikers Sergio Agüero (Argentina, Manchester City FC) Karim Benzema (France, Real Madrid CF) Thomas Müller (Germany, FC Bayern Munich) FOURTH TEAM GoalKeeper Keylor Navas (Costa Rica, Real Madrid CF) Defenders Vincent Kompany (Belgium, Manchester City) Mats Hummels (Germany, Borussia Dortmund) Giorgio Chiellini (Italy, Juventus) Pepe (Portugal, Real Madrid CF) Midfielders Xabi Alonso* (Spain, FC Bayern Munich) Andrea Pirlo* (Italy, New York City FC) James Rodríguez (Colombia, Real Madrid CF) Strikers Gareth Bale (Wales, Real Madrid CF) Arjen Robben* (The Netherlands, FC Bayern Munich) Alexis Sánchez (Chile, Arsenal) FIFTH TEAM GoalKeeper Iker Casillas* (Spain, FC Porto) Defenders Daniel Carvajal (Spain, Real Madrid CF) Diego Godín (Uruguay, Atlético Madrid) John Terry* (England, Chelsea) Branislav Ivanovic (Serbia, Chelsea) Midfielders Thiago Alcantara (Spain, FC Bayern Munich) David Silva (Spain, Manchester City) Ivan Rakitic (Croatia, FC Barcelona) Strikers Douglas Costa (Brazil, FC Bayern Munich) Wayne Rooney* (England, Manchester United FC) Carlos Tevez (Argentina, Boca Juniors) Published: 11 January 2016 http://www.fifpro.org/en/news/2015-world-xi-the-reserve-teams-2
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:05am On Jan 12, 2016 |
adeyemi2015: What a flawed list |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:18am On Jan 12, 2016 |
ollah1:What exactly is flawed in the list(s)?! Is it the presence of Rooney in the fifth Team?! 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 11:24am On Jan 12, 2016 |
adeyemi2015: It's the fact that Alago Boateng was voted the least useful member of that Bayern defence... Just look at that 2nd team - The voters would rather field 3 short fullbacks and Pique than play Boateng at centre half. Coping with the height disadvantage is still more palatable than having to deal with Bobo the conqueror. It has pained all the Boatank bully boys - Ollah1, A40, and Raumdeuter. I can't wait for Airmark's comment 2 Likes
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:26am On Jan 12, 2016 |
Nihilist: Thanks for the clarification jaare! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:49am On Jan 12, 2016 |
Nihilist: Where in my post did you see boateng? Why are so fvcking obsessed with boateng and busi? What is ramos, marcelo and silva doing on the list? No Chellini, Godin, Alaba. These players played way better than those listed. Perez isn't even happy Ramos extended has a longer contract with Madrid Pogba who?? He wasn't even the best Juventus player. Why ain't no Vidal? Modic?? Rakitic even murdered him to be the best Croatian player of the year |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:55am On Jan 12, 2016 |
Popularity plays a major role in making FIFPRO list obviously. A long list of strikers in England including Giroud yes Giroud should make the list before Rooney. How Ozil didn't make any of the teams is beyond me |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 11:56am On Jan 12, 2016 |
ollah1: Well, at least you voted according to your heart, and that's what counts... No Wait... [size=22pt]You are not a professional football player!![/size] |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:58am On Jan 12, 2016 |
ollah1:Forget the age or experience..... Pogba is talented, and better than Vidal! You need to watch their respective Video Clips! Rakitic is a fine Player, but Modric is still his Boss when it comes to marshaling the midfield! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 12:01pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
Nihilist: What else do you want me to say that we have n't said before about how average boatank is? What is the essence of having a defender as tall as electric pole and still finds it difficult to deal with aerial balls ? Even fifpro should have put him in the 4th team. I am just being justified, fifpro awards were by votes from professional players, so they all believe boatank did nt deserve to be in the first 22. Do you think Aguero would vote for boatank despite giving him a gift to score against bayern? Case closed.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:09pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
adeyemi2015: He is talented yes but saying he is better than Vidal is your opinion. Vidal played more defensively while he was at Juventus. The same Vidal played a key role in the Copa America wining team (Chile).. Dude this list is all about marketing. What would you say about Chellini, Alaba and Godin? What would you say about Rakitic replacing Modric? 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 12:13pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
ollah1: So you know better than industry insiders? 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by bigkesh(m): 12:15pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
Eden Hazard is still the best rated EPL player... Adelana1,SailorXY,Dopejemi,Debroslink and the entire scummies.... Whatyasay??
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:17pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
LAHM: TIME TO CHANGE THE BALLON D'OR... IT'S JUST A POPULARITY CONTEST FOR STRIKERS "First, I want to make it clear that Ronaldo, Messi and Neymar are fantastic footballers. It is beyond any question that they have rightfully reached the final shortlist numerous times." "But I have asked myself: What is the voting for the best footballer of the world all about?" "Of course, it is an award for the best footballer of the year. That means it's all about the performances on the pitch and about the prizes won. Only a player who not only plays internationally, but who is successful on the biggest stage has the necessary relevance to stand a chance." "There's nothing wrong with this formula. It makes sense that the player of the year is someone who is an international and competes in top club competitions." "But when the voters are national coaches, national captains and a select group of journalists from 209 countries, I am convinced that only a few of these people, despite their knowledge, think about the topic. I have voted myself five times in the past and I don't exclude myself from acting in this way." "I know the procedure. During the season you receive a message and you are asked to name three players from a list of candidates. And then you simply go for the obvious choices – which brings us back to Facebook. You are stuck with the best-known names - players who you immediately remember pictures or games of. Players who are everywhere, on and off the pitch. You vote for the 'most visible' players." "That's why the Ballon d'Or has become a vote for the 'world's best striker'. That's not my embittered perspective as a defensive player but a neutral and statistically proven fact." "Fabio Cannavaro is the only true defender to have won the Golden Ball. The unforgettable Lothar Matthaus won the title as a midfielder in 1991 and after him Zinedine Zidane three times, but Matthaus was much more offensive-minded. Both won it way before the real start of the digital age. Oliver Kahn and Manuel Neuer made the podium but no goalkeeper has ever won it [since Lev Yashin in 1963]" "To cut a long story short: Only the players who score goals can be crowned the best footballer of the year." "Of course, the moment when the ball hits the net, that's fascinating for kids playing the game and motivates them to join a club. Our sport needs lethal strikers, goalscorers, heroes." "But football is much more than the moment of triumph. Football is teamwork, unity, defence, assists, sacrifice." "I believe that when Fifa hands out an award, it should not be a marketing prize that solely honours the protagonists of a media-crazy sport. Maybe there shouldn't be an individual award in a team sport but (in addition to the world XI) four single awards for best goalkeeper, best defender, best midfielder and best striker instead." "This is because I don't think you can have one person who is the world's best player. In 2015, Lionel Messi is the deserved winner for the award of the world's best striker. Congratulations http://m.goal.com/s/en-ng/news/4078/exclusives/2016/01/12/19249642/lahm-time-to-change-the-ballon-dor-its-just-a-popularity-contest- |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by bigkesh(m): 12:18pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
adeyemi2015:Pogba is not better than Vidal..... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by bigkesh(m): 12:24pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
adeyemi2015:Very true...Pirlo,Buffon,Stam,Cech,Van der save,Ballack,Scholes,Vidic,Terry,Lampard,Carlos,Cafu,Thuram,Lahm,Xavi,Iniesta.....Most of these guys should have been top 3 at a point in their careers,but they don't score goals |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:29pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
adeyemi2015:He's totally right, scrap WPOTY give prizes based on the major positions, goalie, defence,midfield,forward. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 12:36pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
bigkesh: 1 Like
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 12:37pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
Why Goalkeepers And Defenders Don't Win The Ballon D'Or Of the 23 players longlisted for the FIFA Ballon D’Or back in October, only four could be described as out and out defenders. Philipp Lahm of Bayern Munich (as creative as defenders get and playing this year in midfield), his club-mate, goalkeeper Manuel Neuer, Sergio Ramos and Chelsea's goalkeeper Thibaut Courtois. In fact, since the award for the world’s best player began back in 1956, only four defensive players have won it – Franz Beckenbauer, Matthias Sammer, Lev Yashin (the only goalkeeper) and Fabio Cannavaro, who had to captain Italy to an unlikely World Cup win to be recognised. Against this historical bias, it was a big surprise to see Bayern Munich goalkeeper Manuel Neuer joining Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo on the three-man shortlist. Is this finally a sign that FIFA is recognising the art of goal stopping? Or is he just a token nod, the exception that proves the rule? The question that the ballon d'or brings up is whether all of us - the people who watch, report on and even run football - are guilty of completely undervaluing the defensive side of the game? Are we so enamoured - obsessed even - by attack and goals that we ignore the importance of its counterbalance? The short answer is yes. The goal, after all, is why we watch in the first place and the relative rarity of its occurrence in a football match is in many ways what makes it different from the higher scoring team sports like basketball and rugby. The whole framework of how we watch football supports this. The sport can almost be split into the good guys, the artists - those trying to create, to score, to win – and the defenders, those trying to negate, block, and not lose. We remember goals, moves, flicks and finishes. Rarely do we look back misty-eyed at a defensive hoof that may or may not have prevented a goal. It’s why huge transfer fees are paid for goalscorers and creators and clubs don’t sell as many shirts for its full-backs as its centre-forwards. In the excellent book The Numbers Game: Why Everything You Know About Football Is Wrong, authors Chris Anderson and David Sally outline these reasons but have also gone one further in analysing the phenomenon. They analysed a decade of Premier League matches to determine the relative value of goals and clean sheets in terms of picking up league points. The conclusion turns our understanding of football on its head. “It turns out that clean sheets on average produce almost 2.5 points per match. Compared to scoring a goal, which on average earns a team about one point per match, not conceding is more than twice as valuable.” In other words: "Goals that don’t happen are even more important than goals that do". So why does everyone in football overlook this? Part of it is simple psychology. “Attacking has one best outcome: a goal. But defending is quite the opposite: there, the best outcome is a goal that is not conceded, an event that does not actually happen.” It explains why the human brain prefers the immediate pleasure of a goal to a vaguely defined non-negative. It's hard to stand up and cheer and shout for a non-event. The more fundamental argument offered by the authors though is that defence is simply not understood by those who analyse and assess football: “We strongly suspect that goalkeepers and defenders are less likely to become managers of the world’s top clubs simply because defence is neither well understood nor highly valued.” Despite the amount of money and analysis and coverage in football, everyone involved is still swayed like dizzy fans by the power of the goal. As the authors put it, 'forwards are loved, defenders are respected' and there's little here to make us think that will change anytime soon. http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/sport/5443/why-defenders-dont-win-the-ballon-dor/ More here: http://www.espnfc.co.uk/blog/tactics-and-analysis/67/post/1839815/cox-why-dont-more-defenders-win-the-ballon-dor 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:38pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
kokaneprodigy:What of Sneidjer in 2010? In Wenger's Voice: "FIFA should scrap the Crap" |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by bigkesh(m): 12:38pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
[quote author=dopeJemi post=41900969][/quote] OK...Troll football > FIFA....... You need a break |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dopeJemi: 12:40pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
bigkesh: 1000>100 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:41pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
kokaneprodigy:I think it should be replaced with the Best World XI! (Best Player in each Position) |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:45pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
bigkesh: Leave Trash for the LAWMA!
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:47pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
adeyemi2015:Wenger doesn't hesitate to tell them he's not a fan of WPOTY, even in his latest interview when asked if Ozil will be potential nominee next year, he reiterated that he's not a fan of that award as it encourages selfishness in players. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:07pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
bigkesh:Really?? That's amazing!! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Chestar5(f): 1:22pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
bigkesh: you are not chelseafan1 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Spy360(m): 1:51pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
kokaneprodigy:If Rooney made that list, I yes, Spy360, has a genuine case. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by bigkesh(m): 2:03pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
Chestar5:Mourinholic |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Chestar5(f): 2:32pm On Jan 12, 2016 |
bigkesh:i know... |
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