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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dayokanu(m): 5:59pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
coogar: this is what we are asking MAZACAR to do - if it was hazard on that ball, he would either carry that ball to the edge of the box and fire a shot or keep dribbling till he gets tackled by a defender and the chance would be lost. hernandez is not a superman - he relies on his midfielders to play to his strength and feed him the ball to score. until chelsea start doing this, torres would not score goals! football is a team sport not about individuals....... Mata leads the league in assist, How come he has been able to assist others but not FernanDUD |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 6:06pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
dayokanu: is this an argument? so because mata leads the assists chart means he has assisted torres? how many of those assists are from set pieces? lump the ball into the box and hope a chelsea player(defender, attacker, midfielder) makes contact and score. now what's the probability that scorer would be torres? did you really pass quantitative analysis in your primary school? i don't think you did! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dayokanu(m): 6:57pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
coogar: Lump the ball into the box and how come Torres is the only one not benefitting? How come Van Persie who is of similar height and build to Torres scores from set piece headers and Torres cant? In the Chelsea lineup Torres is one of the tallest plays regularly yet cant benefit from set piece headers. So Mata selects the people he assists and deliberately ignores Torres? If Torres is in position he would ignore him and pass back to Chelsea half for Ivanovic to score because he hates Torres. Or what are you insinuating? Mata assist others but not Torres? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 7:16pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
dayokanu: you are a disgrace...... how many goals has van persie scored from a set piece in comparison to torres? man utd scored from 2 corners over the weekend, how many of them were scored by van persie and rooney? evra has scored from 2 corner kicks this season - it then means evra is better than van persie? it then means johnny evans is better than rooney? surely fletcher must also be better than hernandez at set-pieces......you see why people think you are a tool?
mata has only 6 assists in the league.....majority of them are from set pieces which means other players also have equal chance from scoring with mata's assists. on the top of my head, torres scored from a mata assist against arsenal @ the emirates......it was from a set piece!!
what a stupïd question has torres ever scored from a mata assist before? that's the million dollar question. mata has only 6 assists in the league - which means he has only created goals 6 times from his passes and 4 of those assists are from set pieces(general market)! how has torres done wrong here? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by 4llerbuntu(m): 7:53pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
in other words mata self no sabi since he never assist Torres. at this rate one cannot but wonder if Torres does not require tap in assists to shag his wife at night |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dayokanu(m): 8:54pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
coogar: So Van persie is expected to score from every set piece and Torres not expected to score from any? mata has only 6 assists in the league.....majority of them are from set pieces which means other players also have equal chance from scoring with mata's assists. on the top of my head, torres scored from a mata assist against arsenal @ the emirates......it was from a set piece!! Those ONLY 6 assists are the highest in the league. Every striker in the league score from these set piece only FernanDUD is exempted from scoring goals, because they dont serve it to him on a plate
Torres doesnt score from General market, he can only score from specific market customized to him alone |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by codedguy1(m): 9:17pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
Hahahaha Torres general market/ specific market! LMAO |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 9:50pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
dayokanu: except that torres has scored the same number of goals as van persie from a set piece...is van persie weak too?
mata's joint with rooney in the assist charts and yet van persie has never scored from a rooney set-piece assist in the league! is van persie weak or can you not see the stupidity in your argument?
you can whine, groan, moan, grunt, bawl, bleat and scream like a rhesus monkey. the fact is MAZACAR have not yet adapted to playing to torres' strengths and its their faullt torres is misfiring in front of goal......MAZACAR should borrow a leaf from the united midfielders for once and watch how they feed hernandez with the early ball..... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dayokanu(m): 10:01pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
It was Lampard, malouda and Drogba fault he failed It was Iniesta, Xavi and fabregas fault he is a bench warmer for Spain Its now Mazacars faults he cant cut it in the new look Chelsea |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 10:13pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
dayokanu: It was Lampard, malouda and Drogba fault he failed the gifs above are just few examples of how united play to chicharito's strengths....now concentrate....look at the position where the final ball was made and compare it to MAZACAR's tactical fault of always leaving it too late. the difference is clear!!! dayokanu - learn! i can produce more hernandez moments in gifs just to show you torres is a waste @ chelsea because MAZACAR lack the tactical nous to work with him. when van persie is upfront, united work it from the middle to the flank where the wingers would play into the box.....with hernandez, the final ball is made 20-55 yards from goal so he can have a direct run into the box against the last man and score! ![]() ![]() [img]http:///d3c5s6q.gif[/img] |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dyabman(m): 10:22pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
The World is going to End soon on Torres ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 11:31pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
On the Torres argument, Coogar endeavours always, to make granular as well as pictorial and interactive analysis where possible. The default state of an intelligent mind is to review his analysis and discuss if they are right or wrong. Instead, it is met by dogmatic, beer-parlour like counter-arguments like "sebi he was bought for £50m", "before it was Malouda and Lampard" and sometimes you just wonder what the point is. You cannot help but conclude, each time Coogar makes a case, he makes sense. I have not seen anything on a consistent basis from the anti-Torres campaign that engages the mind on a intellectual level. Like Coogar states forever, if Hernandez was a Chelsea player, he won't come close to his tally for United. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 11:43pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
nateevs: On the Torres argument, Coogar endeavours always, to make granular as well as pictorial and interactive analysis where possible. The default state of an intelligent mind is to review his analysis and discuss if they are right or wrong. Instead, it is met by dogmatic, beer-parlour like counter-arguments like "sebi he was bought for £50m", "before it was Malouda and Lampard" and sometimes you just wonder what the point is. You cannot help but conclude, each time Coogar makes a case, he makes sense. don't mind the goats..... they all ran away after explaining what we meant by "playing to nando's strengths"....... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dayokanu(m): 11:49pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
nateevs: On the Torres argument, Coogar endeavours always, to make granular as well as pictorial and interactive analysis where possible. The default state of an intelligent mind is to review his analysis and discuss if they are right or wrong. Instead, it is met by dogmatic, beer-parlour like counter-arguments like "sebi he was bought for £50m", "before it was Malouda and Lampard" and sometimes you just wonder what the point is. You cannot help but conclude, each time Coogar makes a case, he makes sense. Doesnt it worry you that in the last 2 years no midfielder has been able to understand Torres? 6months ago you and coogar assured us that whenever Mata is played behind Torres his issues would be solved, that has been done and he has failed again Initially you told us Lampard and other mechanical players were the problem that once technical players like Hazard, oscar Mata were bought, the Torres of Liverpool might be back. Till now everything has been done and still failed. The best midfielders in Xavi, iniesta have been accused by you and coogar of holding on to the ball for too long that doesnt work with Torres. So someone posting pictures of Hernandez means nothing. Ibime posted gifs of chances wasted by Torres lack of anticipation here. If you are half intelligent you should see that hernandez getting those balls are 1 Based on the delivery, 2 based on his anticipation. Hernandez would never get those balls if he is working counter to the midfielders, MAZACAR centers the ball but Torres is running to the wings, And you now end up blaming the midfielder? One thing we see here is Mata, Hazard and oscar have been successful with other players in the last 2 years, Torres hasn't been successful with any particular player / set of midfielders in the last 2 years. Now deploy your senses and tell us who the problem is with? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dayokanu(m): 11:52pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
coogar: How would anyone play to Torres strenght when he doesnt have any? What is Torres strength in the last 2 yrs And don't come up with insane things like vs barcelona when he was free on goal unchallenged from 60yards Cos how many times in a lifetime would a striker be unchallenged and have a 60yards run on goal |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 11:59pm On Nov 26, 2012 |
dayokanu: you are a tool..... hernandez receiving the ball is based on delivery(i have never seen MAZACAR hit a 30 yard pass directly into torres' feet) then you mentioned anticipation? what's anticipation? are you aware these players actually train everyday of the week and they work tactics. hernandez upfront with his midfielders deep in their half - of course, he knows any long ball would be aimed at him and he has a chance of scoring because he has at most 2 markers or one marker to beat! with torres - na lie! even when ramirez wins the ball, he travels with the ball - delays the pass or gives it to MAZACAR cos ramirez does not trust his precision/accuracy with the long pass. MAZACAR then delays the pass even further with sëxy touches - all this while, the defence has reorganised itself and torres has been crowded out - even if he receives the ball by now, he would run into a clusterfuck of defenders and the chance is lost! football is not ambiguous to analyse - only tools blame torres for misfiring. if hernandez were to be a chelsea player - he would struggle to score 5 goals all season and he would be the media scapegoat till he's sold to swansea! the bottom line is - every striker has its own unique attribute - it's up to the midfielders to find what works with their centre forward.....unfortunately, MAZACAR haven't found how to get the best out of torres! dayokanu: go and watch euro 2012 again and compare xavi's passes to torres with the dross he gets @ chelsea.
dayo, study those gifs i posted...... use your church mind to measure the position of the ball when the final ball was made. the range is between 25-55 yards from goal. you really think those passes are coincidence? seriously? these things have been drilled in training - why haven't we seen a long pass from MAZACAR to torres and we are 33% of the season gone already? is that torres fault too? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dayokanu(m): 12:31am On Nov 27, 2012 |
coogar: ![]() ![]() Look at those gifs above You see Hernandez already moving before the ball was played , He wasnt standing like a pillar waiting for the ball to be played to his feet. Thats Anticipation. He was already pulling away from the last man and creating more space for himself, that gives the United midfielder a better chance of getting Hernandez and smaller chance of the defender clsoing up before he shoots But on the contrary if in the situation hernandez was standing hands on waist like a Model or pregnant woman, The United midfielder would definitely look for other options instead of the statue in front football is not ambiguous to analyse - only tools blame torres for misfiring. if hernandez were to be a chelsea player - he would struggle to score 5 goals all season and he would be the media scapegoat till he's sold to swansea! the bottom line is - every striker has its own unique attribute - it's up to the midfielders to find what works with their centre forward.....unfortunately, MAZACAR haven't found how to get the best out of torres! Mata, Oscar, and Hazard have worked with strikers and they are very gifted players. I have seen several times when Chelsea make forward moves and torres is already making senseless moves, MAZACAR just look for one making the run not one running without aim go and watch euro 2012 again and compare xavi's passes to torres with the dross he gets @ chelsea. Which passes? The passes that made him a benchwarmer in the tournament? How many of such passes did he score with? Im sure you would tell us during the period Italy was beaten and down dayo, study those gifs i posted...... Pay attention, How would there be a long pass when Torres isnt making the needed run for a long pass? or are they just going to punt it anywhere even when Torres isnt making a run? Concentrate |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc(m): 1:35am On Nov 27, 2012 |
omo una no go kill person o.by now its its obvious dat the views of both sides is set in stone,so whats the point of the endless back n forth? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 1:39am On Nov 27, 2012 |
if you take a lie detector test, the machine would blow up..... as you can see, i backed up my analysis with gifs and there was no hearsay here. there must be 60 billion torres videos on youtube - show me one video where chelsea were trying to start an attack and torres didn't make a positive run to make himself available for a pass! only last week, i blamed di matteo's poor coaching - if he really wanted torres to be receiving those long passes, you would see the attempts and if torres didn't make the required runs, you would see his midfielders on tv telling him to do so. MAZACAR are just bunch of technicians who like to play pretty intricate passes or dribble their markers - they do not hit it long! in a nutshell, it's a round peg in a square hole for nando! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dayokanu(m): 2:29am On Nov 27, 2012 |
The same Mata you told everyone that should be played behind Torres to solve FernanDUDs issue |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by codedguy1(m): 7:59am On Nov 27, 2012 |
nateevs: On the Torres argument, Coogar endeavours always, to make granular as well as pictorial and interactive analysis where possible. The default state of an intelligent mind is to review his analysis and discuss if they are right or wrong. Instead, it is met by dogmatic, beer-parlour like counter-arguments like "sebi he was bought for £50m", "before it was Malouda and Lampard" and sometimes you just wonder what the point is. You cannot help but conclude, each time Coogar makes a case, he makes sense. Why not also show us gifs of Nando running into space in anticipation of the ball and MAZACAR refused to pass, that would make more sense than showing us gifs from chicharito. We can't show u the gifs cos part of our argument is that the dud either runs away from the ball or is actually nowhere to be found, hence no gif like that. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 8:51am On Nov 27, 2012 |
coogar:1. heck, he might as well do that. ![]() 2. how many did he create for himself? And the few times he got the ball, what did he do with it? NOTHING! 3. It is insane and wrong to blame everyone EXCEPT Torres. No striker in the world is spoon-fed anymore. A student cannot say because he has no Montblanc pen, therefore he can decide not to write an exam. He is sure going to fail. No excuse his valid for Fernando. Any team relying on FT to win titles will be relegated. ![]() Football is a team sport and Torres is NOT helping his team. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 10:35am On Nov 27, 2012 |
How many one-on-one's did Torres have with Kompany and Kolarov on Sunday? He didnt have to pace to get away. Old Torres would have escaped from them. 920 minutes with no league goal. Abeg make una leave these silly guys. Torres issue is a non-issue. They watch football with emotions. That's why a complete dud like Torres will continue to get their support for two years straight because they are emotionally predisposed to him, whilst a complete performer like Lamps will continue to get their criticism year-in, year-out for 5 years straight because they are emotionally opposed to him. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chamotex(m): 10:59am On Nov 27, 2012 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() You guys need to watch this beer parlour analysis ![]() ![]() This is how Ibime and Nateevs argue on here ![]() ![]() ![]() https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HebyzfUz1g4 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by debosky(m): 11:01am On Nov 27, 2012 |
^ ^ There was one against Kompany that he didn't get away, but most of the others were lofted balls that he was trying to win aerially, not really a case of running behind/beating players. Chelski didn't create many chances against Citeh - it was a drab game because of a general lack of chances. Torres didn't have a good game, but neither did any member of the Chelski forward line. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:26am On Nov 27, 2012 |
mbulela: I Laid Off the Thriller and there u go with the Source Question! I hate Journalists like Ya though am On course to be One ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 11:41am On Nov 27, 2012 |
Ibime: How many one-on-one's did Torres have with Kompany and Kolarov on Sunday? He didnt have to pace to get away. Old Torres would have escaped from them. 920 minutes with no league goal.Couldn't have said it any better. I think we can close the case here and NOW! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 1:29pm On Nov 27, 2012 |
Doesnt it worry you that in the last 2 years no midfielder has been able to understand Torres? This is the part that irks me. It is insufficient to argue that just by playing Mata behind Torres, he will get supply. Yes Coogar and I argued that playing craftier players behind Torres "is capable of creating chances", it still all relies on the method of build up which is the core of the discussion. If Ronaldinho plays behind Torres but the method of attack is phased and slow then we are back to square one. So instead of just assuming that our suggestions have not works, you should instead analyse if by playing MaZaCar behind Torres, the passes have really come in numbers. If you are half intelligent you should see that hernandez getting those balls are 1 Based on the delivery, 2 based on his anticipation. Hernandez would never get those balls if he is working counter to the midfielders, MAZACAR centers the ball but Torres is running to the wings, And you now end up blaming the midfielder? You are ignoring the more important question, Was the pass made? There lies the crux of the argument. If a flurry of passes in anticipation of a Torres move happen time and again, it will be clear for everyone to see. Infact, Ibime will not need to post a still image to try to force an explanation, there will be live feeds. Now post a gif of a flurry of passes towards Torres that continually eludes a proper Torres move. Only then can you match up with the incisive analysis that Coogar puts forward. If Rafa believes that, "I think the team has to help Fernando and create more chances, and he will score goals. You cannot expect a striker scoring just on his own, so we have to create more and better chances for him with the players we have", are we suggesting he doesn't know what he is talking about as well? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by debosky(m): 1:43pm On Nov 27, 2012 |
If crosses are being pinged into the box with no strikers there, or balls being passed with no-one making the runs, it is very apparent and we can blame the striker for failing to make runs as required. You'll often hear commentators saying 'why was there no one in the box?' or 'someone should be making those runs'. How often is that heard in Chelski games? You can't even see the passes being made, leading you to question whether those players understand what their striker requires. dayokanu: But he was understood enough to win golden boot at Euro 2012 eh? ![]() Admit it - you've got hot fufu for brains like those phones fraudsters pass off at Computer Village. ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:51pm On Nov 27, 2012 |
I think the "flurry of passes" Daniel Sturridge received in 15 minutes against West Brom have already proved who is not making the run. Kai. Many footballers done suffer for Torres hand. Even MaZacar is being questioned now in their attempts to paint Torres as the 50 million pound Francis Jeffers. Their own argument even convince you that he is good for nothing except you glay on a plate for him. Silly sods. Some of these analysts are paper footballers. Which player starts spraying passes in the direction of a marked man who refused to free himself from his markers. Can you imagine the nonsense some of these paper footballers are coming up with? They want you to post gifs of flurry of passes made to a marked man. hehehe 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 2:01pm On Nov 27, 2012 |
Ibime: I think the "flurry of passes" Daniel Sturridge received in 15 minutesagainst West Brom have already proved who is not making the run. you are a tool..... we have been here for the last 12 hrs and i have asked you to show just one gif of MAZACAR pinging a 25-55 yard pass to torres and none of you can provide one evidence...why are people so daft or deliberately want to be thick because they have lost an argument?
it's the computer age - a 21 year old lad bagged a managerial job through his FM skills i don't need a coaching badge to assemble a team or see what works - the distinction is very clear.....in man utd, we have different strikers with different attributes and we bring out their best with different build ups......see all the gifs i posted again and measure the exact spot where the final ball was played - admit it, this does not happen in chelsea with MAZACAR. the last time i saw a long pass @ chelsea was from frank lampard!!! you have resorted to your usual ebonics - MAZACAR don't hit long passes - they dribble or make short intricate passes that slow the build up play - and we have seen that these kinda sëxy football does not suit fernando torres. if di matteo didn't see this then he's not worthy to keep a job! if the passes are made and torres was not making the run, commentators would mention it like debosky said but these things don't even happen when chelsea play! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 2:08pm On Nov 27, 2012 |
coogar: ..why are people so daft or deliberately want to be thick because they have lost an argument? Says the man who's been losing the same argument for the last two years!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() Why do you want gifs of Torres not making any runs? Why not watch the whole game if you want to see that? If Torres did not make any run, then it wouldnt make the highlights package. GIFS of Daniel Sturridge receiving the same passes should be enough for you unless you are being deliberately obtuse. Meanwhile, the emotional pull of Torres is too strong for this fanboy. After claiming this last week: nateevs: his emotions have now drawn him back to blame everyone but Torres nateevs: you should instead analyse if by playing MaZaCar behind Torres, the passes have really come in numbers. Last week, the tiki taka wasnt working for Torres. This week, everybody sit behind the halfway line still isnt working for Torres. According to them, the only thing that works for Torres is sit behind the half-way line and play 50 yard balls that would put him clear. Thats a job for Sunday Oliseh, the King of 50-yard through passes ala Tunisia 94'!! ![]() |
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