chic2pimp:

Abeg Michael Owen at the peak of his powers was No 2. Lest we forget he was at one point in time one of the world's best strikers. His Ballon D'or duly proves that.

Also Torres is easily No2. And with a bit more strength training would fit into the no 3 bracket. Even without the strength training, there has been times I've gone yes he definitely fits into the No 3 category.

His case might very well be of Form being temporary and class permanent.

chic2pimp:

Abeg Michael Owen at the peak of his powers was No 2. Lest we forget he was at one point in time one of the world's best strikers. His Ballon D'or duly proves that.

Also Torres is easily No2. And with a bit more strength training would fit into the no 3 bracket. Even without the strength training, there has been times I've gone yes he definitely fits into the No 3 category.

His case might very well be of Form being temporary and class permanent.

coogar:

dayo is simply a troglodyte - torres easily fits into the 3rd category! he played the lone striker role for liverpool when he first arrived and there wasn't a better hybrid striker in the whole league in that season. he was a beast - power, pace, strength! it's idiotic for dayo and his goons to assume torres has lost this ability! the chances have been very limited @ chelsea - it's not difficult to see why shevchenko, pizarro, kezman, etc all failed @ chelsea!

coogar:

dayo is simply a troglodyte - torres easily fits into the 3rd category! he played the lone striker role for liverpool when he first arrived and there wasn't a better hybrid striker in the whole league in that season. he was a beast - power, pace, strength! it's idiotic for dayo and his goons to assume torres has lost this ability! the chances have been very limited @ chelsea - it's not difficult to see why shevchenko, pizarro, kezman, etc all failed @ chelsea!

chic2pimp:

He should know all about that. The winning goal he scored vs Germany in 2008 showed all of those attributes.

Dayo is just being cheeky, he very well knows Torres has not lost it. Certainly not at 28. IMO is just going through a prolonged dip in form. With regards to chelsea, yes the chances created by them are limited but neither is Torres helping matters(don't see him making intelligent runs or bringing others into play). Take saturday for Instance, He spent the entire 85 minutes either getting dispossesed easily or having his hands tied to his waist.

dayokanu:

Oh Players dont lose it at 28?

Abeg what age did Kluivert stop being a top player, Denilson? Prolonged dip in form extending to how many years now? Not injured oo. Now under about 4 coaches and still a flop

Hodgson, Ancelotti, AVB and now RDM

dayokanu:
Oh Players dont lose it at 28?

Abeg what age did Kluivert stop being a top player, Denilson? Prolonged dip in form extending to how many years now? Not injured oo. Now under about 4 coaches and still a flop

Hodgson, Ancelotti, AVB and now RDM

dayokanu:

Owen was never a sneaky kind of striker, He was one who would get through balls and run a few yards before scoring. Nowadays things are much more difficult.

Torres has strikers instinct? Are you serious? Why is it that Chicharito, Inzaghi, Ruud etc are always at the right places, or chasing spils from keepers and lost causes. Have you ever seen Torres do anything like that? If a pass is not 100% accurate, Torres would throw his hands in the air and blame the midfielder

Class is Permanent ke? How many years and counting?

chic2pimp:

They do but Torres is a different case.
His exploits for spain at the Euros with limited game time shows he has still got it. Plus he was actually decent in the first 2 or so games of the season.

Fours years ke? Torres that scored 18 goals in 22 starts in the 2009/2010 season.

A-40:

Prolonged dip in form! Hehehehehe that's a new one. Let's face it he's been crap for almost 2 years now! His contribution to Spain's cause was so irrelevant he failed to make the team of the tournament

Ibime: See how anichebe just used his body to turn that fella. If it's Torres they would tell us he was never one on one against any defender. That's what you call one on one, a situation that occurs zillion times in a match for Torres but he doesn't have strength or quickness to capitalise

190: can someone really actually tell me what torres is really good at

coogar:
it's not difficult to see why shevchenko, pizarro, kezman, etc all failed @ chelsea!

dayokanu:
Torres has strikers instinct? Are you serious?

Class is Permanent ke? How many years and counting?

dayokanu:
Shevcheno came to Chelsea expired. Did Kezman ever shine at anywhere after Chelsea? and Pizarro was meant to be a sub which he was Thats why he started less than 10games for Chelsea

chic2pimp:
The winning goal he scored vs Germany in 2008 showed all of those attributes.

IMO is just going through a prolonged dip in form. ................but neither is Torres helping matters(don't see him making intelligent runs or bringing others into play).

Take saturday for Instance, He spent the entire 85 minutes either getting dispossesed easily or having his hands tied to his waist.

coogar:
this same torres just won a golden boot in europe - beating household strikers to the boot

........................chelsea is torres' problem - this is why roman keep sacking the managers!

A-40:

Prolonged dip in form! Hehehehehe that's a new one. Let's face it he's been crap for almost 2 years now! His contribution to Spain's cause was so irrelevant he failed to make the team of the tournament

dayokanu: 10 goals in 37 appearance is what you think decent? Even defenders put up such numbers

El Guapo: As for Ramires, this is really starting to get my back up, all I see whilst reading Chelsea supporters opinions on various websites, is that we all feel Ramires is not a winger and his most affective position is in centre midfield. Yes he had a couple of decent games out there in the Champions League last season, but that’s two games, the rest of the time he just cannot cut it out wide, is one-dimensional and lacks imagination and skill to beat players.

chic2pimp:
Crap for two years?

2010/2011 = 10 league goals in 37 appearance(quite a number of those appearances were as a sub because he kept on having niggling injuries. Plus he moved to a new club that january and we all know most players need time acclimatise to new surroundings)

chic2pimp:
2011/2012 = 6 league goals in 32 appearances. Probably the only year you can say he wasn't up to par

chic2pimp:
He was not named in the squad because he did not get enough game time. Still did not stop him from winning the Golden boot though.

chic2pimp:

He was not named in the squad because he did not get enough game time. Still did not stop him from winning the Golden boot though.

A-40:

Lol why did he not get enough game time?? Torres was so shyte Del Bosque had to try what has never been done before! Try and win the Euros without a recognized center forward starting games

A-40:

Lol why did he not get enough game time?? Torres was so shyte Del Bosque had to try what has never been done before! Try and win the Euros without a recognized center forward starting games

debosky:

You guys always take things too far - were there no other strikers in Spain's squad?

Who was the 'recognised' CF at Barcelona last season? Messi? Alexis? VDB simply carried the 'false 9' system of Barcelona and perfected it on the international stage - little/nothing to do with Torres!

Y'all have now turned it into a Torres issue. SMH

debosky:

You guys always take things too far - were there no other strikers in Spain's squad?

Who was the 'recognised' CF at Barcelona last season? Messi? Alexis? VDB simply carried the 'false 9' system of Barcelona and perfected it on the international stage - little/nothing to do with Torres!

Y'all have now turned it into a Torres issue. SMH

dayokanu:

I can tell you that if Villa was fit he would play. The No striker formation was because Torres was diabolically bad

Now Villa is back Lets see if Del Bosque would stick to the No striker formation

A-40:

Nansense!! If Torres was not dud for Chelsea Del Bosque woulda played him! Is it a Torres that was not even guaranteed a spot in the team that woulda started before? We are not talking about other strikers we are talking about Torres!

dayokanu:
I can tell you that if Villa was fit he would play. The No striker formation was because Torres was diabolically bad

Now Villa is back Lets see if Del Bosque would stick to the No striker formation

debosky:

That is where your argument falls apart - if Torres was the only CF available to VDB then your argument may be plausible - if there were other strikers available and VDB did NOT play them, then that points to a deliberate tactical decision not purely dependent on the form of any single player.

Or are you saying that Torres that was so poor was the only choice available to Del Bosque in a squad that contained Llorente and Negredo?

nateevs:

Don't mind them. I quite rightly pointed this out to Ibime and his cohorts during the Euros.
Llorente and Soldado had brilliant seasons. If so little faith was held in Torres, what happened to the others?

Ibime: Llorente was very tired. It was well reported. That's the reason why nonentity like negredo started the quarter final whilst llorente didn't see one minute. If llorente was 100%, negredo cannot see one minute on pitch. Anyway I'm not concerned with minor details about a confirmed flop. Let's see whether del Bosque ccontinues same way when villa is up to speed.