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hisblud: Hi guys, i will admonish we revert back to the main issue here. Heb1.8 and ps45.6 is proof that Yashua is God not god, lesser God, Judge. In fact YASHUA IS YHWH. Frank has failed to convince me that ps45.6, from which the Hebrew writer quoted heb1.8, was not refering to Yashua. His scholarly references are not in agreement wit each other, each claiming vs 6 means different things. But on closer examination of the literal hebrew of ps 45.6, it says a different THING from those scholars. Conclusion, anti trinitarians have no base to deny the Godhood of Yashua using ps45.6. Well, the problem is, I go strictly by what Scripture ACTUALLY SAYS and you have failed miserably in presenting to me where Scripture from ANY translation ACTUALLY SAYS "Jesus IS God!" or where in ANY translation of the so-called "New Testament" where the Messaiah is ACTUALLY RECORDED AS SAYING "I am God!" Nowhere in ANY Scripture translation am I ever asked to confess and believe "Jesus IS God!" This righteous instruction is in completee OPPOSITION (note that the name Satan mean OPPOSER) to what these foolish, false, deceptive, and demonic prechers ask one to confess and believe. What I am ACTUALLY asked to believe IN SCRIPTURE is that Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of the living Yahweh, not the foolish statement "Jesus IS God!". Trinitarians can not get this simple truth through their thick heads, since they have been brainwashed to believe that if they do not confess and believe in the "Deity of Jesus Christ" that they will suffer as a LIVING spirit being in eternal torment for all eternity in a place called "Hell." What poppycock! ![]() Oh Hell! http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/YAHWEHFrank/OhHell.html 1 Like |
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sunkoye: I dint ask you to sit-up for frosbel. Frank...take a nomal bible and read with open mind, exlusive of extra materials. Pls do, cos U are really mixing tins up. Start frm John. Cheers A "normal bible"? This statement itself tells me that you have no idea what you are talking about! ![]() I never said that you asked me to sit-up for frosbel, whatever it is that you mean by that. I study Scripture on a daily basis and I use various translations of Scripture in my studying. When I started studying Scripture I was instructed by a Trinitarian to start my study from the book of John. Why start from the book of John? Why not start from the very beginning just like any other book or series of books? I later found out why many of these false and deceptive Christian preachers instruct one to start studying Scripture from the book of John. When someone instructs me to start my study of Scripture from the book of John now, a graet big red flag goes up telling me that this person is out to derceive someone into believeing the foolish, false, deceptive, and demonic doctine "Jesus IS God!" 1 Like |
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sunkoye: shdemidemi, trust me u and frank are not on the same page. U guyz have different religion and spiritual background. Sure he has his own edited bible and allies of written books and also riding on frosbel's identity crisis. U will always earn my respect. Regards sir. I do not have my "own edited bible" and of course I have my allies of written books that I agree with as do you. I am not "riding on frosbel's identity crisis"! In fact, I do not even know if he has an identity crisis or not and I would not know the first thing about what you mean by riding an identity crisis. No one asked you for a psychological evaluation of frosbel and it is quite obvious to me that you are not qualified to do so. I have not seen the least bit of meaning in anything that you have posted yet! ![]() 1 Like |
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benalvino1: Did I ever say that the Scripture is foolish to me? No! What verse or passage are you giving reference to in asking me who the Father was referring to? |
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benalvino1: I am not running from anything! I am simply teaching what Scripture ACTUALLY SAYS! When it comes to Who created the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM, FATHER Yahweh speaks to me through His inspired prophetic word and says that He "ALONE", "BY HIMSELF" and with "NO ONE BESIDE HIM" created the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM. Not once in the so-called "New Testament" will you ever find FATHER Yahweh's SON Yahshua recorded as proclaiming that he had created ANYTHING! I choose to believe what Scripture teaches and not the foolisness that you teach! ![]() 1 Like |
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hisblud: Yes! |
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hisblud: No, I would not be twisting Scriptures, since nowhere in Scripture is the "Original Sin" doctrine taught. It would in fact be you who is twisting Scripture in promoting this false doctrine. 1 Like |
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shdemidemi: Well, that does not tell me how you believe the Hebrew definition or definitions translated into our English language as 'appear' differs from the English definition or definitions, right? |
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shdemidemi: Wow! Someone who believes the fooish doctrine "Jesus IS God!" and that one can be their own father and that one can be their own son telling me to not make up my mind with half baked information! ![]() And how do you believe the Hebrew word translated into our English language as 'appear' differs from the English definition of this word? FYI, I do not read the Scripture in Hebrew, but in the English language that I speak. Hebrew words also have diverse definitions just as our English words do. |
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Frank4YAHWEH: The "Original Sin" doctrine is a false doctrine that is not taught in Scripture. We do not inherit sin from Adam and Eve! hisblud: This verse does not say that sin is passed on to all men, but that "death" is passed unto all men. One receives the wage of death for they themselves comitting sin. The Scriptural definition of sin is the disobedience of FATHER Yahweh's instruction [torah, "law"] (1 Yahchanan [John] 3:4). Yes, all HAVE sinned, but one has the option to turn from sin and be washed as white as snow and in turn they are then without sin. |
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shdemidemi: Well, it seems you are arguing that the word 'appear' can only be defined as being visible, but as is the case with most words they can have more than one specific definition. The word 'appear' can also be defined as "to be obvious or easily perceived; be clear or made clear by evidence." That being said, I do not take everything that the book of Genesis or the Scripturte as a whole for that matter, in a literal sense anyway, since I do not believe that snakes or serpents can literally talk to humans in their own language. |
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shdemidemi: FATHER Yahweh! Did you get that answer this time? It seems that you missed the answer the last time! ![]() |
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hisblud: The "Original Sin" doctrine is a false doctrine that is not taught in Scripture. We do not inherit sin from Adam and Eve! "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment of the father's iniquity; nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be on himself." (Ezekiel 18:20; cf. vss. 19-32). Many other passages also show the impossibility of transferring the guilt of sin (Yeremyah 31:27-30; Deuteronomy 24:16; Galatians 6:5). |
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shdemidemi: Those who have Father Yahweh's spirit are guided by His inspired prophetic word and not by so-called "Church" doctrines of men and those who are guided by FATHER Yahweh's spirit would not believe n "3 Gods", but would instead believe and confess that Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of the living Yahweh as Scripture clearly asks them to do. Also, they would not believe such foolishness as that one can be their own father and at the same time be their own son. They would believe that Yahsua came in the flesh as a man and not as a "God-Man" and that he was tempted as we are in every way, yet without sin, meaning that he was in obedience to his and our FATHER Yahweh instruction [torah, "law"]. They would follow Yahshua's example and also be obedient to FATHER Yahweh's instruction [torah, "law"]. They would also believe that Yahshiua had the same origin as all men and that he did not pre-exist his birth. "For it was fitting that he [Yahweh], for Whom and by Whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to esteem, should make [Yahshua] the pioneer of their redemption perfect through suffering. For he [Yahshua] who sets apart and those who are set apart have all ONE ORIGIN. That is why he [Yahshua] is not ashamed to call them brethern, saying, I will proclaim Your Name [Yahweh's name] to my brethern, in the midst of the congregation I will praise You" (Heb. 2:10-12; Ps. 22:22 RSV - Edited). Yahshua is my brother, not my "God."! Note that Yahshua says that in the midst of the congregation he will praise his and our FATHER Yahweh. What Yahshua said here proves without a doubt that he is not FATHER Yahweh ["God"]! |
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hisblud: @frank interesting yo! In ps 45.2, 6 , is it moshe that is been spoken of or YHWH? Yes! |
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sunkoye: hummm......u did nt believe in christ pre-exitence.....tell me wat u now believe? I have never believed that the Messiah pre-existed his birth or that he was "God" and at this point in time I have the same belief, since all thoughout Scripture FATHER Yahweh's inspired prophetic word speaks of the coming promised Messiah as a future event. I was taught that Yahshua was "God" and that he pre-existed his birth in the Christian religion that I was baptized into at the age of 12, but I never believed such foolisness, since I had already read and studied Scripture and knew these doctrines to be false. I did not find out till after I was baptized that they believed such foolishness. I found this out when the preacher instucted us to begin our study of Scripture from the book of John and from there he attempted to decieve by saying "Jesus is the Word in John 1:1." I believe this is the reason many preachers instruct that one start their study of Scripture from the book of John in order to deceived one with the false so-called "Holy Trinity" doctrine or the Oneness doctrine by twisting and perverting what it actaully says. I believe that one should start their study of Scripture from the very beginning just like any the book or series of books. |
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shdemidemi: You just suggested that "Christ could be the same IMAGE walking and talking" in Genesis. Again, there is no mention of an IMAGE of FATHER Yahweh walking and talking in Genesis. There is also no explanation in Scripture that these verses convey that this was not in fact FATHER Yahweh Himself, but instead was the Messiah in His image. The promised Messiah did not come until the appointed time. He did not pre-exist His birth. There was no Messiah as an actaul being that existing in Genesis, but only in FATHER Yahweh's plan for the future. Genesis 18:1 is clearly in reference to FATHER Yahweh and not to His SON as a pre-existent being. Where "the LORD" appears in translations with "LORD" in all caps, this is where our Heavenly FATHER and Creator's Name was supposed to appear where the Jewish Masoretic scribes removed it and replaced His Name with inferior names/titles. Yahshua is our advocate, intercesor, mediator and the spokesman of his and our FATHER Yahweh's word in this last time period. Yahshua was not a spokesman of FATHER Yahweh's word in the beginning, but only in this last time period. It was the prophets of old who were the spokesmen of FATHER Yahweh's word in the beginning before His SON Yahshua came into existence or was born as Hebrews 1:1-2 make perfectly clear. |
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sunkoye: ah....mystery ke! see, there are factual mystery.tins i still pray to know, insight i still yearn for!....but wat we are discusing here are basics...cos without the Spirit’s help there can be no grasp of the message of Scripture, no conviction of the truth of Scripture, and no faith in the God of Scripture. Without the Spirit, nothing is possible but spiritual blindness and unbelief. The sword of the spirit is FATHER Yahweh's inspired prophetic word. This is the weapon that is an integral part of the armour that one must put on to fight off the wiles of the devil. This is the weapon that proceeded from Yahshua's mouth and the weapon that should proceed from our mouths. This weapon is Father Yahweh's word and nowhere in His word will you ever find the deceptive words or word phrases "Holy Trinity", "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost", "Jesus IS God!", Jesus is Creator, or "Jesus pre-existed his birth." Those who promote such words and word phrases are spiritually discerned, since these words have not proceeded from the mouth of FATHER Yahweh Whose every word we are to live by: Yahshua answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh'" (Mattithyah [Matthew] 4:4). All Scripture is given by inspiration of Yahweh, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of Yahweh may be perfect, THROUGHLY FURNISHED unto all righteous works (1 Timothy 3:16-17). The last verse here when it says "ALL Scripture ..." is in reference to the so-called "Old Testament", since the so-called "New Testament" had not yet been written and compiled at the time this was said. This is the Scripture that Yahshua, his disciples, and the Apostles lived by. Note that it says that one "may be perfect, THROUGHLY FURNISHED unto ALL righteous works" with these Scripture alone. |
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shdemidemi: I myself certainly do not want to be growing in knowledge of who you think YOUR "God" really is! ![]() |
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sunkoye: frosbel, we are not sayin Jesus is not the Son of God....we are saying it takes a God to be the Son of God. Pls understand! Any simpleton knows that one can not be their own father and that one can not be their own son! Where in Scripture does it ever teach that "it takes a God to be the Son of God."? That is just plain foolisness! ![]() |
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shdemidemi: There is no mention of an image of Yahweh walking and speaking in Genesis! You are simply trying to force Yahshua into existence in the beginning as an actaul being by adding your own foolish reasoning and understanding. ![]() |
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hisblud: ok lets not use "Elohim" as hebrew name for the Hebrew Deity, let use the Name before the Hebrew accepted pagan name, which is YHWH. And that is what we will use now. In ps 45.2,6 the name YHWH was used and this is the ONLY Name of God. Therefore it cannot be a name of angels, gods, idol or JUDGES in the context use. Thus why are you deceitfully replacing YHWH in verse 6 instead of keeping it what the hebrew writter wrote in ps45.6? Is it ok by your scholarly post for ps45.2 to be YHWH but not YHWH in v6? Moshe was given reference to as an 'elohim' ["god"] in translation. Is he Yahweh? ![]() As I have previously made known, the Hebrew word 'elohim' (although not originally Hebrew as a whole) in translation can refer to Yahweh, angels, JUDGES, gods, idols, and even mere human beings such as Moshe. It all depends on the content in determining how it is to be properly translated. I have also made known that 'elohim' simply signifies strenght, might, power (authority) and is often given as an attributive title and not as a name. |
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shdemidemi: No, this verse is in reference to FATHER Yahweh which is obvious by observing the context from the very beginning. |
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hisblud: eya i pity you. Wit all that you wrote stressing that YHWH is the original name that the hebrew abandoned for the caananite pagan name - Elohim. Ok now i accept its YHWH. Ok in ps 45.2,6 YHWH was used, why are you accepting that Judge, according to one of the scholars you agreed wit, should be in v6. Yet YHWH is YHWH it does not mean any angel, judge? Stop dodging. Moshe was given reference to as an 'elohim' ["god"] in translation. Is he Yahweh? ![]() As I have previously made known, the Hebrew word 'elohim' (although not originally Hebrew as a whole) in translation can refer to Yahweh, angels, JUDGES, gods, idols, and even mere human beings such as Moshe. It all depends on the content in determining how it is to be properly translated. I have also made known that 'elohim' simply signifies strenght, might, power (authority) and is often given as an attributive title and not as a name. |
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sunkoye: I knew it! You knew what? You call what masking? |
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shdemidemi: Why would I continue to use it to prove points if I did not believe that Yahshua, his disciples and the Apostles were not inspired by FATHER Yahweh? Stop asking me such silly questions when the answer is quite obvious from what I have posted. |
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shdemidemi: @ frank Did not Yahshua speak the words of his and our FATHER Yahweh and not his own words? Yes, in the so-called "New Testament" Yahshua makes statements that prove that he is not his and our FATHER Yahweh, but is in fact His SON. |
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hisblud: I did not change Yahweh to another name! ![]() |
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sunkoye: frank as it is...am nt sure ur guide is bible. Ur are so physical and literal with all ur assumptions. U are comparing the SON in divine concept to Son in physical realm. See, the Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16). As Scripture as my guide, nowhere in the so-called "New Testament" will you ever find Yahshua recorded as proclaiming that he is "God." This is a fact! No, Yahhsua had to be a man just like us so that he could empathize with our weaknesses which is sin (disobedience to FATHER Yahweh's instruction [torah, law]). For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin (Hebrews 4:15). |
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frosbel: Bottom line is that Trintarians have 3 gods not 1, there is no amount of logic twisting that can negate this fact. Yes, I have heard many Trintarians say that they do not have 3 "Gods", but then they turn right around and say "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost." I definately count 3 "Gods" here! ![]() |
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shdemidemi: The Scripture (FATHER Yahweh's inspired prophetic word) is my guide! Have you got any more foolish questions? ![]() 1 Like |
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shdemidemi: I did not say you said it! I was referring to Scripture saying that Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of the living Yahweh and that Scripture does not say that he is his and our FATHER Yahweh. |
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