@ frank

Do you believe the new testament is the word of God?

frosbel:

"But when the appropriate time had come, God sent his Son, born by a woman, born under the Law" - Galatians 4:4


He was born of a Woman.

And don't come back to me with that PAGAN Incarnation Fable of a spirit taking on the form of flesh, this is Greek Mythology.

am not so sure of ur last statement....i can recollect the account of Jesus birth ..was that what u called pagan? Besides, u av not answered my question. Yes or No pls!

shdemidemi:

The man disappears when the water is troubled.

Presumption as usual.

Having overflogged this topic , I am wary of getting dragged into endless , mind numbing and illogical Trinity debates.

The Trinity is a mysterious pagan farce.

God is ONE.

sunkoye: am not so sure of ur last statement....i can recollect the account of Jesus birth ..was that what u called pagan? Besides, u av not answered my question. Yes or No pls!

Jesus birth pagan ? No.

What is pagan and demonic ,is the myth that he was a spirit who incarnated into flesh. This is a LIE from satan.

frosbel:

Presumption as usual.

Having overflogged this topic , I am wary of getting dragged into endless , mind numbing and illogical Trinity debates.

The Trinity is a mysterious pagan farce.

God id ONE.

prove it by answering questions bro, I don't think you would think people should just take your word for it.
Another question-

Pls what do you understand by this verse
Romans 1
And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

frosbel:

Jesus birth pagan ? No.

What is pagan and demonic ,is the myth that he was a spirit who incarnated into flesh. This is a LIE from satan.

ok. The created or not thing. U have not said any thing about it. I need a yes or no answer. Your answer will draw a lot inference. Oya!

shdemidemi: @ frank

Do you believe the new testament is the word of God?

Did not Yahshua speak the words of his and our FATHER Yahweh and not his own words? Yes, in the so-called "New Testament" Yahshua makes statements that prove that he is not his and our FATHER Yahweh, but is in fact His SON.

Frank4YAHWEH:

Did not Yahshua speak the words of his and our FATHER Yahweh and not his own words? Yes, in the so-called "New Testament" Yahshua makes statements that prove that he is not his and our FATHER Yahweh, but is in fact His SON.

bro, if you check your reply properly, you will notice you didn't answer my question. Could you please answer the question bro. My fixation on the question is to make sure we are talking on the same frequency.

shdemidemi:


bro, if you check your reply properly, you will notice you didn't answer my question. Could you please answer the question bro.

Why would I continue to use it to prove points if I did not believe that Yahshua, his disciples and the Apostles were not inspired by FATHER Yahweh? Stop asking me such silly questions when the answer is quite obvious from what I have posted.

Frank4YAHWEH:

Why would I continue to use it to prove points if I did not believe that Yahshua, his disciples and the Apostles were not inspired by FATHER Yahweh? Stop asking me such silly questions when the answer is quite obvious from what I have posted.

I knew it!...I call iT masking.

sunkoye: I knew it!

You knew what? You call what masking?

Frosbel, was jesus created or not?

frosbel:

But Jesus is the Son of GOD , a 'spitting image ' of GOD his Father.

if you say so, was "everything" of the Father passed to the Son? If the Father is GOD in essence, will THAT "essence" not be "translated, transfered, transmuted" to the Son via the Seed of God?

Frank4YAHWEH:

Why would I continue to use it to prove points if I did not believe that Yahshua, his disciples and the Apostles were not inspired by FATHER Yahweh? Stop asking me such silly questions when the answer is quite obvious from what I have posted.

Genesis 3
8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

We both agree God is invisible and Christ is his visible image according to scriptures. In the above passage, you will notice you have 'voice' and 'walk'. Definite features of a visible image, couldn't this be the Christ?

@frank

4. Yes, the Messiah was just a man like you and I.

by your above quote, are you a mere man?

shdemidemi:
Genesis 3
8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

We both agree God is invisible and Christ is his visible image according to scriptures. In the above passage, you will notice you have 'voice' and 'walk'. Definite features of a visible image, couldn't this be the Christ?

u are so speaking my mind.

Frank4YAHWEH:

I did not say you said it! I was referring to Scripture saying that Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of the living Yahweh and that Scripture does not say that he is his and our FATHER Yahweh.

but the scripture said Yashua is Elohim and Father Yahweh is Elohim, ie according to ps45.2, 6

frosbel:

exactly what it says, Son of GOD.

what kind of Seed brought forth the Son of God? Human or God? And in that Seed of God, is it full of God essence or not?

hisblud: what kind of Seed brought forth the Son of God? Human or God? And in that Seed of God, is it full of God essence or not?

our new questions seems too difficult for frosbel to handle. Av been beging for a similar question too...but he knew that any answer(yes or no) frm him will pose a major setback on his beliefs. Is Jesus a creation or not...? Simple yes or no frosbel!

shdemidemi:

The man disappears when the water is troubled.

lol

Frank4YAHWEH:

I did not change Yahweh to another name! As I have previously made known, the Hebrew word (although not originally Hebrew as a whole) 'elohim' in translation can refer to Yahweh, angels, JUDGES, gods, idols, and even mere human beings. It all depends on the content in determining how it is to be properly translated.

eya i pity you. Wit all that you wrote stressing that YHWH is the original name that the hebrew abandoned for the caananite pagan name - Elohim. Ok now i accept its YHWH. Ok in ps 45.2,6 YHWH was used, why are you accepting that Judge, according to one of the scholars you agreed wit, should be in v6. Yet YHWH is YHWH it does not mean any angel, judge? Stop dodging.

sunkoye: our new questions seems too difficult for frosbel to handle. Av been beging for a similar question too...but he knew that any answer(yes or no) frm him will pose a major setback on his beliefs. Is Jesus a creation or not...? Simple yes or no frosbel!

hehe i heard him claiming he has trashed out the questions posed at him! I laf, its getting too hot, frosy please answer us na?

hisblud: eya i pity you. Wit all that you wrote stressing that YHWH is the original name that the hebrew abandoned for the caananite pagan name - Elohim. Ok now i accept its YHWH. Ok in ps 45.2,6 YHWH was used, why are you accepting that Judge, according to one of the scholars you agreed wit, should be in v6. Yet YHWH is YHWH it does not mean any angel, judge? Stop dodging.

Moshe was given reference to as an 'elohim' ["god"] in translation. Is he Yahweh?

As I have previously made known, the Hebrew word 'elohim' (although not originally Hebrew as a whole) in translation can refer to Yahweh, angels, JUDGES, gods, idols, and even mere human beings such as Moshe. It all depends on the content in determining how it is to be properly translated. I have also made known that 'elohim' simply signifies strenght, might, power (authority) and is often given as an attributive title and not as a name.

shdemidemi:
Genesis 3
8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

We both agree God is invisible and Christ is his visible image according to scriptures. In the above passage, you will notice you have 'voice' and 'walk'. Definite features of a visible image, couldn't this be the Christ?

No, this verse is in reference to FATHER Yahweh which is obvious by observing the context from the very beginning.

Frank I know that you go to the house of Yahweh from your post...

You shouldn't waste your time with these guys for them to even go as far as denying the divinity of Christ and new testament scriptures goes to show they are not christian to start with.They are just practicing deism.

Frank4YAHWEH:

No, this verse is in reference to FATHER Yahweh which is obvious by observing the context from the very beginning.

I am in no way saying the father is not part of this, I am saying an image would be needed for an invisible God to walk and speak, do you understand?

The madness of frosbel analysing colossians

frosbel: Colossians 1:16

6. An important figure of speech in Colossians 1:16 is called “encircling.” Bullinger notes that the Greeks called this figure of speech epanadiplosis, while the Romans labeled it inclusio (p. 245), and he gives several pages of examples from the Bible to document the figure. He writes: “When this figure is used, it marks what is said as being completed in one complete circle…giving completeness of the statement that is made.” With that in mind, note that the phrase “all things were created” occurs at the beginning and end of the verse, encircling the list of created things: “For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.” The things that are “created” are not rocks, trees, birds and animals, because those things were created by God. These things, “thrones, powers, rulers and authorities,” are the powers and positions that were needed by Christ to run his Church, and were created by him for that purpose. The figure of speech known as “encircling” helps us to identify the proper context of “all things”—that it is the narrower sense of the word “all,” and refers to the things needed to administer the Church.

http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/colossians-1-15-20

Jesus did not exist according to him. After Mary gave birth to him he created all the angels throne powers etc. He is saying all things but he is trying to mean somethings. Some things like the throne God talks about in psalms long before Jesus was born...

Hahhahahaha

dis is a wake up call to all lazy christians(my pastor said this, my pastor said that) that their pastors feed them with concortions from hell. Any wonder what could have happen if majority of pple don't have access to Bible? Hummm. I always bless God for the insight....Kiss the Son lest He be Angry!

Frank4YAHWEH:

Moshe was given reference to as an 'elohim' ["god"] in translation. Is he Yahweh?

As I have previously made known, the Hebrew word 'elohim' (although not originally Hebrew as a whole) in translation can refer to Yahweh, angels, JUDGES, gods, idols, and even mere human beings such as Moshe. It all depends on the content in determining how it is to be properly translated. I have also made known that 'elohim' simply signifies strenght, might, power (authority) and is often given as an attributive title and not as a name.

ok lets not use "Elohim" as hebrew name for the Hebrew Deity, let use the Name before the Hebrew accepted pagan name, which is YHWH. And that is what we will use now. In ps 45.2,6 the name YHWH was used and this is the ONLY Name of God. Therefore it cannot be a name of angels, gods, idol or JUDGES in the context use. Thus why are you deceitfully replacing YHWH in verse 6 instead of keeping it what the hebrew writter wrote in ps45.6? Is it ok by your scholarly post for ps45.2 to be YHWH but not YHWH in v6?

They will say the holy spirit is not God. But when you lie to it you are lying to God etc.

They still hold same argument but when it says the bible is I speared by God it is indeed the holy spirit that is in people.

Again it says your body is the temple of God and when he dwells in you it is indeed the holy spirit that is in you.

Yet they claim it is something else

Bidam: You shouldn't waste your time with these guys for them to even go as far as denying the divinity of Christ and new testament scriptures goes to show they are not christian to start with.They are just practicing deism.

Who is a Christian ? a believer in 3 gods or a believer that Jesus is the Messiah.

What preconditions did Jesus himself attach to salvation ? Peter called him Messiah, Nathaniel did the same etc, I guess they are not Christians, they should have called him GOD.

Smh at Paganism.