Frank4YAHWEH:

The only way that you disappoint me is in that you can actually believe in the foolish, false, deceptive, and demonic so-called "Holy Trinity" doctrine! James Strong's work is not "the literal hebrew rendering" and he is in fact a Trinitarian and his works reflect his bias.

As I have previously made known, the Hebrew word (although not originally Hebrew as a whole) 'elohim' in translation can refer to Yahweh, angels, JUDGES, gods, idols, and even mere human beings. It all depends on the content in determining how it is to be properly translated. I myself do not give reference to FATHER Yahweh by the name/title "Elohim" , because of it's pagan Canaanite origin as a whole. The root of this word as derives from the Hebrew word root 'yl, wl, ul that simply means 'might, strength, power or authority. FATHER Yahweh is the only one Who is refered to as "ALmighty." and as "the Mighty One of mighty ones."

I was tempted to come back with ur inference. Am very sure u are familiar with isaiah 9v6-
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Frank...kindly answer my questions with honesty. Who is the prophet talking about? What are the notable attributes in the titles below? Regards.

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sunkoye: I was tempted to come back with ur inference. Am very sure u are familiar with isaiah 9v6-
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Frank...kindly answer my questions with honesty. Who is the prophet talking about? What are the notable attributes in the titles below? Regards.

JPS version, done in 1917. The Holy Scriptures According to the Masoretic Text: A New Translation. Philadelphia: Jewish Publication Society of America reads as follows:

"For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor (See END NOTE) -Abi-ad-sar-shalom."

The 1985, and the revised e-edition of 1997, render Is. 9:5b as:

"... he has been named "The Mighty God is planning grace (d);
The Eternal Father, a peaceable ruler."

(d) = as in 25:1

Many question why the the JPS 1917 transliterate this portion of the passage as opposed to translating it. The reason is quite obvious. Christian translations have traditionally understood this prophecy to refer to "Jesus", and then used this quite complicated name as a series of messianic titles. The JPS wanted to avoid this, and to emphasize that this is a (real or symbolic) personal name. Just like "Jonathan" is not translated "Yahweh-has-given" in the A.K.J.V. of the Bible. The A.K.J.V. does not translate "Immanuel" in 7:14 and etc. as "God-is-with-us".


END NOTE:
The Hebrew for "mighty god" in Isaiah 6:9 is gibbor el, which is nearly the same Hebrew as the name of the angel Gabriel. ...

The Net Bible has this interesting note on the title gibbor el ["mighty God"]:

"probably an attributive adjective ["mighty God"], though one might translate "God is a warrior" or "God is mighty." Since this title is apparently used later (10:21, but cf. Hos. 3:5) for God, some have understood it as pointing to the king's deity. Others argue that the title portrays the king as God's representative on the battlefield, whom God empowers in a supernatural way (see Hayes and Irvine, Isaiah, 181-82). The latter sense seems more likely in the original context of the prophecy. Having read the NT, we might in retrospect interpret this title as indicating the coming king's deity, but it is unlikely that Isaiah or his audience would have understood the title in such a bold way. Ps 45:6 addresses the Davidic king as "God" because he ruled and fought as God's representative on earth. Ancient Near Eastern art and literature picture gods training kings for battle, bestowing special weapons, and intervening in battle. According to Egyptian propaganda, the Hittites described Ramses II as follows: "No man is he who is among us, It is Seth great-of-strength, Baal in person; Not deeds of man are these his doings, They are of one who is unique." (See M. Lichtheim, Ancient Egyptian Literature, 2:67) Isa. 9:6 probably envisions a similar kind of response when friends and foes alike look at the Davidic king in full battle regalia. When the king's enemies oppose him on the battlefield, they are, as it were, fighting against God himself."

Notice that the NetBible scholars are Trinitarians, yet they are realistic and fair minded enough to recognize that gibbor el is not a title of deity. Other scholars agree.

Actually, the passage is not a particularly good one for Trinitarians. It would help the Oneness folks a lot more. The Trinitarian does not regard Jesus as the Father, yet the passage says he shall be called "everlasting father." The Trinitarian has to do all sorts of twisting to insist that "gibbor el" should be taken as telling us that Jesus is God, but then the next phrase they have to explain away to tell us that he is not the Father. ...

THE MIGHTY EL - THE EVERLASTING FATHER
Isaiah 9:6

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulders: and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, The Mighty God, The Ever lasting Father, The Prince of Peace" (KJV).

It seems that the Name which was to be given to Yahshua, the Son of Yahweh the Father, is a descriptive Name or Title which honors Yahweh. The Messiah came "in his Father's Name" (John 5:43). Below are quotations from several versions of the Bible which help to make clear the meaning of Isa. 9:6.
(Some versions number it as verse 5).

The Complete Bible, By Smith and Goodspeed.
"For a child is born to us; and the government will be upon his shoulders; and his name will be called 'Wonderful counselor is God almighty, Father forever, Prince of peace.'"

Knox Version
"For our sakes a child is born, to our race a son is given, whose shoulder will bear the septre of princely power. What name shall be given him? Peerless among counsellors, the mighty God, Father of the world to come, the Prince of peace."

The Emphasised Bible
"... And his Name hath been called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, * Father of Futurity **, Prince of Prosperity."

Isaiah 9:6 LXX
For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.

* Footnote by the translator: "el gibbor, as in chapter 10:21".

** "Father of Progress".

The Holy Scriptures, by The Jewish Publication Society of America, Philadelpheia; 1917, 1945, 1955.
"... And his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi--ad-sar--slalom." ***

*** Footnote by the translator: "That is, Wonderful in counsel is God the Mighty, the everlasting Father, the Ruler of Peace."

Holy Bible - Catholic Layman's Edition, Catholic Press Inc., Chicago; 1964.
"... and his name shall be called, Wonderful Counselor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace."

Douay-Rheims Version
"... and his name shall be called, Wonderful Counsellor God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace."

The Leeser Version
"His name shall be called, Wonderful Counselor of the mighty El, of the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, ..."

This Son was to be given names (or titles) which describe, honor and extol the heavenly Father in his exulted position. It is not that every one of these names describe the person and attributes of the Son to be born. Take the name Eliyah. The meaning is, "Yah is El." This does not mean that Eliyah was El. Instead, Eliyah describes and reveals who Yahweh is; Yahweh is El. Many other names could be cited. So it is with Isa. 9:6. These names describe the grandeur and glory which the heavenly Father is entitled to receive.
SOURCE: http://frank4yahweh.xanga.com/716756993/does-isayah-96-proclaim-yahshua-to-be-yahweh

shdemidemi: @ frank

Please answer these questions if you would.

1) Is God visible?

2) when you look at the mirror, whose image do you see?

3) is Christ the image of whatever answer you give to the first question?

4) is Christ just a man like you and I?

1. FATHER Yahweh is invisible and His SON was visible.

2. When I look in the mirror I see my own image.

3. Yes, the Messiah the man is the image of the INVISIBLE Yahweh just as the first Adam (Man) was created in FATHER Yahweh's image.

4. Yes, the Messiah was just a man like you and I.

Frank4YAHWEH:

1. FATHER Yahweh is invisible and His SON was visible.

2. When I look in the mirror I see my own image.

3. Yes, the Messiah the man is the image of the INVISIBLE Yahweh just as the first Adam (Man) was created in FATHER Yahweh's image.

4. Yes, the Messiah was just a man like you and I.

I have a concern with the answer you gave to the 3rd question

The bible made it clear that Adam (man) was made in God's image. This means he was first a man before he was made in the likeness of God.

Christ on the other hand came to the world like a man according to scriptures
Romans 8
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

I hope you would agree Christ isn't a man like Adam nor like you and me, he only came like man.

If you agree that Christ is the visible image of an invisible God, the same way you agree you see an image of yourself every time you look in a mirror. What does this make Christ?

shdemidemi:

If you agree that Christ is the visible image of an invisible God, the same way you agree you see an image of yourself every time you look in a mirror. What does this make Christ?

People say my Son is a 'spitting image' of me, does that make him me ?

frosbel:

People say my Son is a 'spitting image' of me, does that make him me ?

I never mentioned son bro, I said an image of the real you and not an offspring.

shdemidemi:

I have a concern with the answer you gave to the 3rd question

The bible made it clear that Adam (man) was made in God's image. This means he was first a man before he was made in the likeness of God.

Christ on the other hand came to the world like a man according to scriptures
Romans 8
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

I hope you would agree Christ isn't a man like Adam nor like you and me, he only came like man.

If you agree that Christ is the visible image of an invisible God, the same way you agree you see an image of yourself every time you look in a mirror. What does this make Christ?

Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of the living Yahweh and not Yahweh the FATHER. Simple as that!

No, I do not agree with your statement "Christ isn't a man like Adam nor like you and me, he only came like man."

I have just previously answered in one of your questions to you that Yahshua is a man just like you and I. Yahshua did not pre-exist his birth as an actual being that was with his and our FATHER Yahweh in the beginning, nor was or is he his and our FATHER Yahweh.

Frank all I could grasp was different verison expressing their opinion and tilting their assertions against the trinity beliefs. If you are honest, every expaination still narrows to the fact that God came down and dwell among men.one of the main reasons the Jews don’t accept Jesus as Messiah is they believe in only one God.  Christians believe in the trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost or Spirit.  All separate but at the same time, all together.  A way of thinking of this is to consider your own body.  You have a head, hands, feet, heart, bones, etc.  All separate, but all part of the same body.  You can’t cut off your little toe because you think you don’t use it often enough.  It’s a part of you and it serves a purpose.  Same singular body but made up of different parts that serve different purposes.Frank, Why would His claiming to be the Son of God be considered blasphemy and be worthy of a death sentence? The Jewish leaders understood exactly what Jesus meant by the phrase “Son of God.” To be the Son of God is to be of the same nature as God. The Son of God is “of God.” The claim to be of the same nature as God—to in fact be God—was blasphemy to the Jewish leaders; therefore, they demanded Jesus’ death, in keeping with Leviticus 24:15. Hebrews 1:3 expresses this very clearly, “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being.”Jesus is the Son of God. The Son of God is God. Jesus is God made manifest (John 1:1, 14).
Regards

shdemidemi:

I never mentioned son bro, I said an image of the real you and not an offspring.

But Jesus is the Son of GOD , a 'spitting image ' of GOD his Father.

Frank4YAHWEH:

Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of the living Yahweh and not Yahweh the FATHER. Simple as that!

No, I do not agree with your statement "Christ isn't a man like Adam nor like you and me, he only came like man."

I have just previously answered in one of your questions to you that Yahshua is a man just like you and I. Yahshua did not pre-exist his birth as an actual being that was with his and our FATHER Yahweh in the beginning, nor was or is he his and our FATHER Yahweh.

I did not say It, the bible did, Isn't the bible our guide?

shdemidemi:

I never mentioned son bro, I said an image of the real you and not an offspring.

So, in YOUR religious belief you do not believe that YOUR "God" has a SON and that he is not YOUR "God's" offspring?

frosbel:

But Jesus is the Son of GOD , a 'spitting image ' of GOD his Father.

What do you understand by Christ being the son of God?

shdemidemi:



I did not say It, the bible did, Isn't the bible our guide?

I did not say you said it! I was referring to Scripture saying that Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of the living Yahweh and that Scripture does not say that he is his and our FATHER Yahweh.

frosbel:

People say my Son is a 'spitting image' of me, does that make him me ?

frosbel...was Jesus created? I fink we shuld start from this question!

Frank4YAHWEH:

So, in YOUR religious belief you do not believe that YOUR "God" has a SON and that he is not YOUR "God's" offspring?

Bro, is the bible our guide?

shdemidemi:

What do you understand by Christ being the son of God?

exactly what it says, Son of GOD.

shdemidemi:

Bro, is the bible our guide?

The Scripture (FATHER Yahweh's inspired prophetic word) is my guide! Have you got any more foolish questions?

Bottom line is that Trintarians have 3 gods not 1, there is no amount of logic twisting that can negate this fact.

Frank4YAHWEH:

The Scripture (FATHER Yahweh's inspired prophetic word) is my guide! Have you got any more foolish questions?

I am very sorry about the foolish questions, bear with me bro.

Do you believe the new testament is the word of God as well?

Frank4YAHWEH:

So, in YOUR religious belief you do not believe that YOUR "God" has a SON and that he is not YOUR "God's" offspring?

frank as it is...am nt sure ur guide is bible. Ur are so physical and literal with all ur assumptions. U are comparing the SON in divine concept to Son in physical realm. See, the Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death. Regards

frosbel: Bottom line is that Trintarians have 3 gods not 1, there is no amount of logic twisting that can negate this fact.

Yes, I have heard many Trintarians say that they do not have 3 "Gods", but then they turn right around and say "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost." I definately count 3 "Gods" here!

shdemidemi:

I am very sorry about the foolish questions, bear with me bro.

Do you believe the new testament is the word of God as well?

I respect ur humility sir

frosbel: Bottom line is that Trintarians have 3 gods not 1, there is no amount of logic twisting that can negate this fact.

Is this how you convince people about the word of God bro? It isn't the best way even if I am wrong, make it clear through scriptures. Remember, you could be wrong too.

Do you think there is a reason why God spoke to no one else all through Christ's earthly ministry on earth?

sunkoye: frank as it is...am nt sure ur guide is bible. Ur are so physical and literal with all ur assumptions. U are comparing the SON in divine concept to Son in physical realm. See, the Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death. Regards

As Scripture as my guide, nowhere in the so-called "New Testament" will you ever find Yahshua recorded as proclaiming that he is "God." This is a fact!

No, Yahhsua had to be a man just like us so that he could empathize with our weaknesses which is sin (disobedience to FATHER Yahweh's instruction [torah, law]).

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin (Hebrews 4:15).

shdemidemi:

Is this how you convince people about the word of God bro? It isn't the best way even if I am wrong, make it clear through scriptures. Remember, you could be wrong too.

Do you think there is a reason why God spoke to no one else all through Christ's earthly ministry on earth?

I wondered y frosbel is not answering my question if Jesus was created or not?

Frank4YAHWEH:

As Scripture as my guide, nowhere in the so-called "New Testament" will you ever find Yahshua recorded as proclaiming that he is "God." This is a fact!

wow...so called new testament?...I rest my case with you sir. Regards

sunkoye: I wondered y frosbel is not answering my question if Jesus was created or not?

"But when the appropriate time had come, God sent his Son, born by a woman, born under the Law" - Galatians 4:4


He was born of a Woman.

And don't come back to me with that PAGAN Incarnation Fable of a spirit taking on the form of flesh, this is Greek Mythology.

Frank4YAHWEH:

Any Hebrew concordance will tell you that the rendering is 'elohim' and as I have just told you the Hebrew word (although not originally Hebrew as a whole) 'elohim' in translation can refer to Yahweh, angels, JUDGES, gods, idols, and even mere human beings. It all depends on the content in determining how it is to be properly translated.

When I say "although not originally Hebrew as a whole" in reference to the word 'elohim', I am giving reference to the Hebrew people adopting the Cannaanite name 'Elohim' in relation to the Hebrew root word 'yl, ul, or wl' which simply meant strenght, power (authority), or might and was not a name, but simply an attribute. The Masoretic scribes substituted the name/title 'Elohim' for the Name of our Heavenly Father and Creator. The Century Bible, Volume 1, pages 90-91, tells us the following:

"Hebrew was originally written without vowels, but when the "vowel points" were added, the vowels of "Adonay" or "Elohim" were written with YAHWEH, as a direction that these words were to be read instead of the word whose consonants were YAHWEH; thus we find the combinations YeHoWaH and YeHoWiH."

Other Sources:

"The Masoretes consistently marked the name with vowel signs indicating that the divine name Adonai ["Lord"], or at times Elohim ["God"] was to be substituted for it when the Bible was read. Confusion about this custom led to misreading the name as JEHOVAH. In most English versions of the Bible it is translated "Lord."

Although the name Yahweh was first revealed to MOSES in Exod. 3:14, it occurs in the creation story (Gen. 2) and is said to have been used from the time of Seth and Enoch (Gen. 4:26)." M. G. ROGERS From: Abingdon Dictionary of Living Religions pg. 810.

"Yahweh - “The Masoretes who from the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of Adonai or Elohim. Thus the artificial name Jehovah came into being.” The New Encyclopedia Britannica[/i, vol. 12, 1993 ed.

"After the Exile (6th century B. C.), especially from the 3rd century B.C. on, Jews ceased to use the name Yahweh ... As Judaism began to become a universal religion through its proselytizing in the Greco-Roman world, the more common noun elohim (q.v.), meaning "god", tended to replace Yahweh At the same time, the divine name ... was thus replaced in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word Adonai (My Lord) ..." ([i]The New Encyclopedia Britannica: Micropedia, Ready Reference, vol. 10: p.786).

Now, most references only refer to the word 'Adonai' being substituted for the Name Yahweh (Yahowah), since this is the most prominent word that is substituted for the Name Yahweh (Yahowah). As noted in the sources above, the name/title 'Elohim' was also a substitute occasionally. As an example the following sources only mentions 'Adonai' as a subtitute:

"In the course of the centuries the actual pronunciation was lost. In the Middle Ages Jewish scholars (Masorete scribes) developed a system of symbols placed under and beside the consonants to indicate the vowels. YHWH appeared with the vowels from "Adonai" as a device to remind them to say "Adonai" in the reading of the text. A Latinized form of this was pronounced "Jehovah," but it was actually not a real word at all. From a study of the structure of the Hebrew language most scholars today believe that YHWH was probably pronounced Yahweh (Yah' weh). See God; I am; Jehovah; Lord; Names of God." Mark Fountain - Holman Illustrated Bible Dictionary

"Yahweh is an Anglicized version of the Name of God, as spoken during the time of the Temple and understood by Judaism and Christianity as taught in the Old Testament or the Bible. In the Hebrew written language, which often uses no written vowels, The Name is written YHWH, but never spoken. However, because Jews generally were forbidden by the Third Commandment to pronounce the sacred name, the vowels of Adonai (literally 'my lords') were normally inserted between its consonants, resulting in the name 'Jehovah'. Reflecting the same taboo, the earlier English translations of the Bible replaced the name with the phrase 'the LORD'. Because Jesus' followers routinely called him adon ('boss', 'lord', which translated into the gospels' Greek as kurios), the two titles became confused in English, to the point where it became unclear whether the phrase 'the LORD' was referring to Jesus or to Yahweh." SOURCE: http://conservapedia.com/Yahweh

"JEHOVAH, ji-ho'va (... properly yahweh): The form 'Jehovah' is impossible, according to the strict principle of Heb. vocalization. It is due to the arbitrary transference of the vowels of adonay, lord', to the sacred name _ _ _ _ after the Jews became over-scrupulous as to the pronunciation of the Name ...." A New Standard Bible Dictionary Funk & Wagnalls Company, New York and London, 1936, pg. 418
SOURCE: http://yahweh.yolasite.com

Where you find the words "the LORD" with "LORD" being in all capital letters in most so-called "Holy Bible" translations, this is where our Hevenly FATHER and Creator's Name was removed and substituted by the Masoretic Jewish scribes (copyist). You will find this information in most Bible dictionaries under "Jehovah" or "Tetragrammaton."

Theses Jews and in turn the translators dod not give Yahweh the esteem that is due unto His Name (Psalm 29:2, 96:8 & I Chronicles 16:29).

FATHER Yahweh's Name has been dispised:

A son honours his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a Father, where is My honour? and if I be a Master, where is My reverence given? says Yahweh of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise My Name. And you say, Wherein have we despised Your Name? You offer polluted bread upon My altar; and you say, Wherein have we polluted You? In that you say, The table of Yahweh is contemptible (Malakyah [Malachi] 1:6-7).

They despised His Name so much that they forbade their people to even make mention of His Name. They instructed them to no longer pronounce His Name and instead substitute for His Name mere name/titles such as Adonai ("the LORD", Elohim ("God or Gods", and HaShem (The Name).

But if serving Yahweh seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves at this time whom you will serve, whether the gods [idols] your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods [idols] of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve Yahweh (Yahshua 24:15).

O Yahweh our Mighty One, other masters beside You have had dominion over us: but by You only will we make mention of Your Name (Isayah 26:13).

I have made Your Name known to these men whom You gave me from the world. They were Yours, and you gave them to me, and they have kept our word (Yahchanan [John] 17:6).

@frank from that long discuss you gave, you are saying instead of the word Elohim or God, it should be YHWH in vs 2 & 6 respectively where the Word God appears. Ok now my question is, if by your own submission, YHWH is the correct word, why are you depending on scholars to change YHWH in v6 to Judge, while leaving out v2 as YHWH? Are you not being deceptive? Why change YHWH to another Name?

sunkoye: I wondered y frosbel is not answering my question if Jesus was created or not?

The man disappears when the water is troubled.

frosbel:

"But when the appropriate time had come, God sent his Son, born by a woman, born under the Law" - Galatians 4:4


He was born of a Woman.

And don't come back to me with that PAGAN Incarnation Fable of a spirit taking on the form of flesh, this is Greek Mythology.

Do you believe in the part of scriptures that says Chrst came in the likeness of sinful flesh?

hisblud:
@frank from that long discuss you gave, you are saying instead of the word Elohim or God, it should be YHWH in vs 2 & 6 respectively where the Word God appears. Ok now my question is, if by your own submission, YHWH is the correct word, why are you depending on scholars to change YHWH in v6 to Judge, while leaving out v2 as YHWH? Are you not being deceptive? Why change YHWH to another Name?

I did not change Yahweh to another name! As I have previously made known, the Hebrew word (although not originally Hebrew as a whole) 'elohim' in translation can refer to Yahweh, angels, JUDGES, gods, idols, and even mere human beings. It all depends on the content in determining how it is to be properly translated.