Heb 1:9.

frosbel: Heb 1:9.

Yeah and so?

By the way, are we still on for our Sunday meetup?
https://www.nairaland.com/1167082/religion-section-nlers-living-uk/1#17118203

Mr anony: Lol, your translation jumping skills are at work again.


Erhm sir...the 'translations' you provided are all saying different things entirely you cannot possibly agree with all of them at the same time.

1. ...Your beauty, O King Messiah, is more stunning than any mortal’s...

2. ...Your throne, O judge....

3. ...God is thy throne....

Which is it that you agree with exactly? or are you just blindly agreeing with anything that disagrees with the deity of Christ?

Furthermore please, after explaining which one you really agree with please explain how it continues in context on to verses 12 of Hebrews 1.

Your comment here makes me wonder if you even know what you are talking about.


You have just clearly shown from Hebrews 1:10 that Jesus Christ is Yahweh indeed.

Here's how Hebrews 1:8-10 reads in the versions you claim to agree with.


he says of the Son, God is thy throne for ever and ever, thy royal sceptre is the sceptre of equity: thou hast loved justice and hated lawlessness therefore God, thy God, has consecrated thee with the oil of rejoicing beyond thy
comrades and Thou didst found the earth at the beginning, Lord, and the heavens are the work of thy hands they will perish, but thou remainest. Hebrews 1:8-10 (Moffatt)

but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of thy hands: (ASV)

But of the Son he says, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee with the oil of gladness beyond thy comrades." And, "Thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of thy hands; (RSV)

but as to he Son "God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of intergrity is the scepter of his reign. You loved rectitude and hated wickedness: for this reason, God, your God has anointed you with the oil of joy beyond your fellows, and You at the beginning, Lord, laid down the foundations of the earth and the heavens are the works of your hands: (The Bible in Living English)

But of His Son, He says, "THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND FOR EVER, AND THE SCEPTRE OF THY KINGDOM IS A SCEPTRE OF ABSOLUTE JUSTICE. THOU HAST LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, THY GOD, HAS ANOINTED THEE WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS BEYOND THY COMPANIONS." It is also of His Son that God says, "THOU, O LORD, IN THE BEGINNING DIDST LAY THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORK OF THY HANDS. (Weymouth)

Since you have granted that the person referred to in Hebrews 1:10 is Yahweh and since we know that verse 8 and verse 10 refers to the same person. You have now explicitly proven that Yahshua is YAHWEH. Thank you.

You sir, have successfully destroyed your false gospel all by yourself. You can now throw it into the bin where it belongs then repent and turn to Christ who is your true God and Saviour.

No, that deception does not work on me either!

Therefore Yahowah, your Mighty One, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellow servants.

This portion of this verse is in reference to Yahshua FATHER Yahowah's SON.

And, You Yahowah, in the beginning did lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands:

This portion of the verse is in reference to FATHER Yahowah, since Scripture clearly teaches that it was He "ALONE', "BY HIMSELF" with "no one beside Him" that created the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM.

Note that when our Heavenly FATHER and Creator's Name is restored to it's rightful position in Scripture from where it was removed by the scribes and in turn the translators that much of your misconception concerning this verse completely disappears.

Pour out your wrath on the nations that do not acknowledge You, on the peoples who do not call on Your Name (Yeremyah 10:29a).

How long will the enemy mock you, Yahowah? Will the foe revile Your Name forever? (Psalm 74:10).

Remember how the enemy has mocked You, Yahowah, how foolish people have reviled Your Name (Psalm 74:18).

Ascribe to Yahowah the esteem due His Name; worship Yahiowah in the splendor of His being set art (Psalm 29:2; cf. 96:8 & I Chronicles 16:29).

Nowhere in the so-called "New Testament" will you find Yahshua recorded as proclaiming that he had created ANYTHING. In fact, he proclaims that his and our FATHER Yahweh is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM.

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
http://frank4yahweh.tripod.com/ByAndThrough.html

Frank4YAHWEH:

No, that deception does not work on me either!

Therefore Yahowah, your Mighty One, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellow servants.

This portion of this verse is in reference to Yahshua FATHER Yahowah's SON.

And, You Yahowah, in the beginning did lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands:

This portion of the verse is in reference to FATHER Yahowah, since Scripture clearly teaches that it was He "ALONE', "BY HIMSELF" with "no one beside Him" that created the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM.

Note that when our Heavenly FATHER and Creator's Name is restored to it's rightful position in Scripture from where it was removed by the scribes and in turn the translators that much of your misconception concerning this verse completely disappears.

Pour out your wrath on the nations that do not acknowledge You, on the peoples who do not call on Your Name (Yeremyah 10:29a).

How long will the enemy mock you, Yahowah? Will the foe revile Your Name forever? (Psalm 74:10).

Remember how the enemy has mocked You, Yahowah, how foolish people have reviled Your Name (Psalm 74:18).

Ascribe to Yahowah the esteem due His Name; worship Yahiowah in the splendor of His being set art (Psalm 29:2; cf. 96:8 & I Chronicles 16:29).

Nowhere in the so-called "New Testament" will you find Yahshua recorded as proclaiming that he had created ANYTHING. In fact, he proclaims that his and our FATHER Yahweh is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM.

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
http://frank4yahweh.tripod.com/ByAndThrough.html

Lol, so according to you God the Father was speaking to the Son and then halfway mid-sentence He starts talking to Himself but somehow manages to switch back to talking to the Son at the end and yet there is no break in flow? I am afraid you are cooking up a doctrine that is not in scripture.

Nowhere does Hebrews 1:10 tell us of this magical switch of yours. It is as clear as day that the bible teaches us that the Son is Yahweh.

Mr anony:
Lol, so according to you God the Father was speaking to the Son and then halfway mid-sentence He starts talking to Himself but somehow manages to switch back to talking to the Son at the end and yet there is no break in flow? I am afraid you are cooking up a doctrine that is not in scripture.

Nowhere does Hebrews 1:10 tell us of this magical switch of yours. It is as clear as day that the bible teaches us that the Son is Yahweh.

Why do you bother trying to refute the JWs? Their mind is made up already...

Mr anony:
Lol, so according to you God the Father was speaking to the Son and then halfway mid-sentence He starts talking to Himself but somehow manages to switch back to talking to the Son at the end and yet there is no break in flow? I am afraid you are cooking up a doctrine that is not in scripture.

Nowhere does Hebrews 1:10 tell us of this magical switch of yours. It is as clear as day that the bible teaches us that the Son is Yahweh.

No, this deception will not work with me either!

What you fail to realize is that this is a quote from Psalm 45 and is prophetic of FATHER Yahweh's SON Yahshua and that this is not FATHER Yahweh directly speaking to Yahshua, but is Dawid speaking propetically concerning the future coming promised Messiah who had not yet come into existence at this point in time:

But when the set time had fully come, Yahweh sent His son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship (Galatians 4:4-5).

GeneralShepherd:

Why do you bother trying to refute the JWs? Their mind is made up already...

FYI, I am not a Jehovah's Witness. They believe as you do that the Messiah pre-existed his birth and that he is "a god", but I do not! We also differ in MANY other doctrinal points.

My mind is only made up in accordance with what Scripture teaches, but my beliefs are susceptible to change in light of FATHER Yahweh's word as it is revealed to me.

Frank4YAHWEH:

No, this deception will not work with me either!

What you fail to realize is that this is a quote from Psalm 45 and is prophetic of FATHER Yahweh's SON Yahshua and that this is not FATHER Yahweh directly speaking to Yahshua, but is Dawid speaking propetically concerning the future coming promised Messiah who had not yet come into existence at this point in time:

But when the set time had fully come, Yahweh sent His son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship (Galatians 4:4-5).

I wonder how this unrelated post proves that the person being referred to in Hebrew 1:8-12 is anyone other than Jesus Christ - and those verses make it clear that Jesus Christ is Yahweh

GeneralShepherd: Why do you bother trying to refute the JWs? Their mind is made up already...

Lol...this one no be JW, na akpuruka fanatic

Im really enjoying this.

In what language was the bible originally written in?

rezzy: Im really enjoying this.

In what language was the bible originally written in?

It depends on the book

Mr anony:
It depends on the book

Okay

rezzy: Im really enjoying this.

In what language was the bible originally written in?

1. Genesis to Malachai > Hebrews language.

2. Matthew to Revelation > Greek language.

Mr anony:
Lol...this one no be JW, na akpuruka fanatic

i stop bothering with the fanatic when he doesn't believe the Holy Spirit is God and the baptism of the Holy Spirit,why bother with him.

Bidam: i stop bothering with the fanatic when he doesn't believe the Holy Spirit is God and the baptism of the Holy Spirit,why bother with him.

I believe that the set apart ["holy"] spirit is the power of Yahweh. I do believe in the immersion ["baptism"] of the set apart spirit.

Mr anony:
I wonder how this unrelated post proves that the person being referred to in Hebrew 1:8-12 is anyone other than Jesus Christ - and those verses make it clear that Jesus Christ is Yahweh

Nowhere in ANY Scripture translation does it ever say or teach "Jesus Christ is Yahweh."

See: "Jesus IS God!"
http://yahweh.yolasite.com

Frank4YAHWEH:

Nowhere in ANY Scripture translation does it ever say or teach "Jesus Christ is Yahweh."

See: "Jesus IS God!"
http://yahweh.yolasite.com

here we go again...rezzy asked

rezzy: Im really enjoying this.

In what language was the bible originally written in?

Anony Answered

Mr anony:
It depends on the book

Truthislight gave a good analysis of the bible here

truthislight:

1. Genesis to Malachai > Hebrews language.

2. Matthew to Revelation > Greek language.

Now you are in agreement that heb 1.8, was quoted by the writer of hebrew which refered to the Son, Yashua. We went to Ps45.6 where it was originally written in Hebrew and the hebrew rendering still points that its still Elohim [God] and not judge or whatever you claim that scholars might think... you claim to depend on scripture, yet its facing you in black and white, that Ps 45.6 , is Elohim and you deliberately refuse to accept it but continually point to some scholars who are not in agreement. SMH

hisblud:

here we go again...rezzy asked


Anony Answered




Truthislight gave a good analysis of the bible here


Now you are in agreement that heb 1.8, was quoted by the writer of hebrew which refered to the Son, Yashua. We went to Ps45.6 where it was originally written in Hebrew and the hebrew rendering still points that its still Elohim [God] and not judge or whatever you claim that scholars might think... you claim to depend on scripture, yet its facing you in black and white, that Ps 45.6 , is Elohim and you deliberately refuse to accept it but continually point to some scholars who are not in agreement. SMH

And as has been pointed out by these scholars, what has been translated into our English language as "God" is not always in reference to FATHER Yahweh. This is an English translation of the Hebrew/Canaanite "Elohim" and is not always translated as "God", but can also be translated as giving reference to malakim [messengers, 'angels'], JUDGES, idols, mere human beings and Satan himself. How it is to be translated depends on the context of Scripture as a whole. The word 'elohim' has it's root in the Hebrew 'yl, ul, or wl' which is simply in reference to one or something that is said to have power (authority), strength or might. Yahshua had to be a man just like us! He was not his and our FATHER Yahweh, but is in fact the SON of FATHER Yahweh as Scripture clearly asks us to confess and believe. He was GIVEN ALL power (authority) in heaven and in the earth b\y his and our FATHER Yahweh. Nowhere in ANY Scripture translation are we ever asked to confess and believe the false doctrine "Jesus IS God!" Just as Yahshua became the SON of FATHER Yahweh, we also can become sons (daughters, children) of FATHER Yahweh.

Did Father Yahweh call His Son "God"?
http://frank4yahweh.xanga.com/734899456/did-father-yahweh-call-his-son-god

Frank4YAHWEH:

And as has been pointed out by these scholars, what has been translated into our English language as "God" is not always in reference to FATHER Yahweh.

scholars indeed, confusing you over the simple hebrew rendering of ps 45.6

This is an English translation of the Hebrew/Canaanite "Elohim" and is not always translated as "God", but can also be translated as giving reference to malakim [messengers, 'angels'], JUDGES, idols, and mere human beings and Satan himself. How it is to be translated depends on the context of Scripture as a whole.

Interesting

The word 'elohim' has it's root in the Hebrew 'yl, ul, or wl' which is simply in reference to one or something that is said to have power (authority), strenghth or might.

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Yahshua had to be a man just like us! He was not his and our FATHER Yahweh, but is in fact the SON of FATHER Yahweh as Scripture clearly asks us to confess and believe. Nowhere in ANY Scripture translation are we ever asked to confess and believe the false doctrine "Jesus IS God!" Just as Yahshua became the SON of FATHER Yahweh, we also can become sons (daughters, children) of FATHER Yahweh.

Did Father Yahweh call His Son "God"?
http://frank4yahweh.xanga.com/734899456/did-father-yahweh-call-his-son-god

Amen but it seems you that dont believe the Jesus Christ is God, are limited. How? You always mixing up His Humanity and Divinity; If you will accept His Humanity where it is clearly spoken, good for you.. And when It is written about His Divinity...take it as it is.... after all The Just shall live by Faith not by man's logic.

Take for instance His Divinity here, why do you think the jews wanted to stone Him?
And did He change His words because they wanted to stone Him?

John 10:27-33

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
KJV

Now compare what you said here

He was not his and our FATHER Yahweh

Jesus Christ

30 I and my Father are one.

Who do i choose?

Frank4YAHWEH:

Nowhere in ANY Scripture translation does it ever say or teach "Jesus Christ is Yahweh."

See: "Jesus IS God!"
http://yahweh.yolasite.com

...And the blind remain blind. No use beating a dead horse. You have already admitted that Jesus is Yahweh when you said that Hebrew 1:8-10 refers to Christ and refers to Yahweh from Psalm 102:25. You have no case.

Mr anony:
...And the blind remain blind. No use beating a dead horse. You have already admitted that Jesus is Yahweh when you said that Hebrew 1:8-10 refers to Christ and refers to Yahweh from Psalm 102:25. You have no case.

Yes, you most certainly are being lead by the blind. No, I have never proclaimed such foolishness. You just have a knack for twisting ones words just as you twist FATHER Yahweh's inspired prophetic word.

hisblud:

here we go again...rezzy asked


Anony Answered




Truthislight gave a good analysis of the bible here


Now you are in agreement that heb 1.8, was quoted by the writer of hebrew which refered to the Son, Yashua. We went to Ps45.6 where it was originally written in Hebrew and the hebrew rendering still points that its still Elohim [God] and not judge or whatever you claim that scholars might think... you claim to depend on scripture, yet its facing you in black and white, that Ps 45.6 , is Elohim and you deliberately refuse to accept it but continually point to some scholars who are not in agreement. SMH

What exactly are you talking about ? Emi ! Which scholars ?

Are you sure you are talking to me ?

Smh.

Frank4YAHWEH:
Yes, you most certainly are being lead by the blind. No, I have never proclaimed such foolishness. You just have a knack for twisting ones words just as you twist FATHER Yahweh's inspired prophetic word.

Please stop lying, this is getting embarrassing

This is what you said when quoting Hebrews 1:8-10

Frank4YAHWEH: Still quoting:
"Then there are these words: You, Lord [meaning Yahweh, Psalm 102:25], laid the foundations of the earth when it first took its rise, and the heavens are the work of thy hands" (Hebrews 1:8-10; cf. Deuteronomy 4:35-39; Isaiah 43:10, 44:24, 45:12-18).

Here is Hebrews 1:8-10 (according to what you believe to be the proper translation)

he says of the Son, God is thy throne for ever and ever, thy royal sceptre is the sceptre of equity: thou hast loved justice and hated lawlessness therefore God, thy God, has consecrated thee with the oil of rejoicing beyond thy
comrades and Thou didst found the earth at the beginning, Lord, and the heavens are the work of thy hands they will perish, but thou remainest. Hebrews 1:8-10 (Moffatt)

Notice that It is still the same Son that is being spoken to in one continuous passage. Why are you trying so hard to deceive yourself?

frosbel:

Heb 1:9


How can GOD have a GOD ?

...lol, now u are getin worse frosbel. Fine we all know so little about God but urs seems a bit so little. U fink too literal about God or tins of the spirit. Have u ever ask urself y the jews picked up stones wen jesus said God is his father? Frosbel, does God procreate? Is there a womanlike God dat gave birth to spirit jesus? Ofcos NO! The jew understood perfectly the implication of jesus statement. The Son means God in flesh. The Son came out of the father. The faTher and the son are one! God do nt share His glory. But the son and the father share glory. Do u question john the baptist testimony about jesus? He said God gave Him His spirit witout limit...see, “If Jesus has the the spirit without measure of the only true God then he is immeasurably the only true God, as God is spirit.-he who is wise let him understand. Even in phil 2.6-
Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. We can check out some other versions.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God,
American Standard Version
who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,

If we chistians really undertands the position of Jesus. Then we can call Him the word of God! Frosbel.....wat is the difference btw God and His word! He respect his word more than his name! Jesus is the Word and the word is God.
Even if John has not said it by the holyspirit....isaiah made sure of it in chapter 9v6
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
If the jew can understand God more than you over 2000yrs ago...u don't have excuse bro!
John 5:18
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 10:33
"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government will be upon his sholder.his name will be called mighty God, Everlasting Father.....

John 14:Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.” 9Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said to him, My LORD and my God.

Frosbel..the exaltation was of Christ's human nature, in union with the Divine. At the name of Jesus, not the mere sound of the word, but the authority of Jesus, all should pay solemn homage. It is to the glory of God the Father, to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord; for it is his will, that all creation, seen and unseen should honour the Son as they honour the Father,God intends that he was really and truly God; that he partook of the same nature with the Father, and was possessed of the same glory: from whence it appears, that he was in being before his incarnation; that he existed as a distinct person from God his Father, in whose form he was, and that as a divine person, or as truly God, being in the glorious form, nature, and essence of God; and that there is but one form of God, or divine nature and essence, common to the Father and the Son, and also to the Spirit; so that they are not three Gods, but one God: what the form of God is, the Heathens themselves (g) say cannot be comprehended nor seen, and so not to be inquired after; and they use the same word the apostle does here (h): and now Christ being in this glorious form, or having the same divine nature with the Father, with all the infinite and unspeakable glories of it,

thought it no robbery to be equal with God; the Father; for if he was in the same form, nature, and essence, he must be equal to him, as he is; for he has the same perfections, as eternity, omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, immutability, and self-existence: hence he has the same glorious names, as God, the mighty God, the true God, the living God, God over all, Jehovah, the Lord of glory, &c. the same works of creation and providence are ascribed to him, and the same worship, homage, and honour given him: to be "in the form of God", and to be "equal with God", signify the same thing, the one is explanative of the other: and this divine form and equality, or true and proper deity, he did not obtain by force and rapine or by robbery and will not admit of it, so it is not true in fact; he did affect deity, and asserted it strongly, and took every proper opportunity of declaring it, and in express terms affirmed he was the Son of God; and in terms easy to be understood declared his proper deity, and his unity and equality with the Father; required the same faith in himself as in the Father, and signified that he that saw the one, saw the other, Mark 14:61 John 5:17. Others give this as the sense of them, that he did not in an ostentatious way show forth the glory of his divine nature, but rather hid it; it is true, indeed, that Christ did not seek, but carefully shunned vain glory and popular applause. Frosbel...Kiss the Son lest He be ANGRY! Regards

Mr anony:
Please stop lying, this is getting embarrassing

This is what you said when quoting Hebrews 1:8-10


Here is Hebrews 1:8-10 (according to what you believe to be the proper translation)

he says of the Son, God is thy throne for ever and ever, thy royal sceptre is the sceptre of equity: thou hast loved justice and hated lawlessness therefore God, thy God, has consecrated thee with the oil of rejoicing beyond thy
comrades and Thou didst found the earth at the beginning, Lord, and the heavens are the work of thy hands they will perish, but thou remainest. Hebrews 1:8-10 (Moffatt)

Notice that It is still the same Son that is being spoken to in one continuous passage. Why are you trying so hard to deceive yourself?

I was only using the translation of this verse to point out that FATHER Yahweh was not referring to His SON as "God." I do not completely agree with how the verse was translated as a whole in that it does not distinguish Father Yahweh from His SON in this verse as the following translations do:

English Standard Version
And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;

New American Standard Bible
And, "YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;

King James Bible
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

King James 2000 Bible
And, you, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of your hands:

American King James Version
And, You, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of your hands:

American Standard Version
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of thy hands:

Also compare other translation:
http://biblehub.com/hebrews/1-10.htm

I am not in agreement with the above translations of this passage a whole, since a number of them translate as if FATHER Yahweh is giving reference to His SON as "God." Trinitarians would not have a problem with this translation since they are deceptively indoctrinated with the belief that Yahshua is "God" and that he created when Scripture clearly teaches that it was FATHER Yahweh "ALONE, by Himself" with no one beside Him" Who created the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM." and that Yahshua is the SON OF Yahweh ["God"].

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
http://frank4yahweh.tripod.com/ByAndThrough.html

Frank4YAHWEH:

I was only using this translation of this verse to point out that FATHER Yahweh was not referring to His SON as "God." I do not completely agree with how the verse was translated as a whole in that it does not distinguish Father Yahweh from His SON in this verse as the following translations do:

English Standard Version
And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;

New American Standard Bible
And, "YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;

King James Bible
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

King James 2000 Bible
And, you, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of your hands:

American King James Version
And, You, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of your hands:

American Standard Version
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of thy hands:

Also compare other translation:
http://biblehub.com/hebrews/1-10.htm

I am not in agreement with the above translations of this passage a whole, since a number of them translate as if FATHER Yahweh is giving reference to His SON as "God." Trinitarians would not have a problem with this translation since they are deceptively indoctrinated with the belief that Yahshua is "God" and that he created when Scripture clearly teaches that it was FATHER Yahweh "ALONE, by Himself" with no one beside Him" Who created the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM." and that Yahshua is the SON OF Yahweh ["God"].

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
http://frank4yahweh.tripod.com/ByAndThrough.html

I now see how you read the bible: You read half of a verse in one translation and the other half in another translation as long as it helps you force the verse to say what you want it to say.

The passage in Hebrews clearly refers to the Son and you know it. It is irrelevant whether you agree with the translation or not. The bible has said exactly what it said. "Yahshua IS Yahweh" and Yes God ALONE created the world and all that is therein. You'll just have to put it in your pipe and smoke it.

Mr anony:
I now see how you read the bible: You read half of a verse in one translation and the other half in another translation as long as it helps you force the verse to say what you want it to say.

The passage in Hebrews clearly refers to the Son and you know it. It is irrelevant whether you agree with the translation or not. The bible has said exactly what it said. "Yahshua IS Yahweh" and Yes God ALONE created the world and all that is therein. You'll just have to put it in your pipe and smoke it.

I do not have to force Scipture to proclaim that FATHER Yahweh is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM", since Scripture already clearly says and teaches this.

And you choose to use a translation from Moffatt to prove your point. You also use other translations other than the Moffatt translation, right? Nothing wrong with comparing diverse translations!

"Yahshua IS Yahweh"? You certainly will not find that quote said in ANY translation of Scripture. And not in the Moffatt translation either! This is a quote from deceived Trintarians and not from Scripture!

I know for a fact that that passage in Hebrews refers to FATHER Yahweh and not to His SON Yahshua when it says "You did found the earth at the beginning, Yahweh, and the heavens are the work of Your hands they will perish, but You remain."

The same is said of FATHER Yahweh in Psalm 102:25 and in verse 22 of this passage the word translated as "God" is in reference to FATHER Yahweh as can be clearly seen by comparing the content to verse 21 where many translations eliminate His Name Yahweh and substitute it for the inferior title "the LORD."

Since you believe "Yahshua IS Yahweh", then you must also believe that it is possible for mere men to execute FATHER Yahweh by nailing Him to a pagan cross. Poppycock!

BTW, I don't smoke!

Frank4YAHWEH:
Since you believe "Yahshua IS Yahweh", then you must also believe that it is possible for mere men to execute FATHER Yahweh by nailing Him to a pagan cross. Poppycock!

Maybe if you were in Jesus era,this scripture would have applied to you.John 10:33
"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

BTW, I don't smoke!

It's an idiom,meaning that you should believe what the word of God says and not reason it out like the pharisee of Jesus era.

Frank4YAHWEH:

I do not have to force Scipture to proclaim that FATHER Yahweh is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM", since Scripture already clearly says and teaches this.

Good, we both agree that God created the all things that exist

And you choose to use a translation from Moffatt to prove your point. You also use other translations other than the Moffatt translation, right? Nothing wrong with comparing diverse translations!

yeah but I don't jump from translation to translation in order to force a point I let the text speak for itself.

"Yahshua IS Yahweh"? You certainly will not find that quote said in ANY translation of Scripture. And not in the Moffatt translation either! This is a quote from deceived Trintarians and not from Scripture!

Lol but the bible makes that profoundly clear. that's exactly what it says in Hebrews 1 or what else do you think the passage was saying?

I know for a fact that that passage in Hebrews refers to FATHER Yahweh and not to His SON Yahshua when it says "You did found the earth at the beginning, Yahweh, and the heavens are the work of Your hands they will perish, but You remain."

Then you are being willfully blind because the passage starts by clearly proclaiming that it is referring to the Son.

The same is said of FATHER Yahweh in Psalm 102:25 and in verse 22 of this passage the word translated as "God" is in reference to FATHER Yahweh as can be clearly seen by comparing the content to verse 21 where many translations eliminate His Name Yahweh and substitute it for the inferior title "the LORD."

Exactly, it is because the same is said of the Father and the Son that we come to the conclusion that the father and Son are both equally God.

Since you believe "Yahshua IS Yahweh", then you must also believe that it is possible for mere men to execute FATHER Yahweh by nailing Him to a pagan cross. Poppycock!

We preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness (1 Corinthians 1:23)

Yes I believe that God took the form of a man and was crucified for our sake bearing upon himself the rightful judgment of wrath that our sins deserve.

BTW, I don't smoke!

Lol, you probably missed the expression

Bidam: Maybe if you were in Jesus era,this scripture would have applied to you.John 10:33
"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."


It's an idiom,meaning that you should believe what the word of God says and not reason it out like the pharisee of Jesus era.

Thank you sir. Please tell him.

Mr anony:
Maybe if you were in Jesus era,this scripture would have applied to you.John 10:33
"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

It is obvious that you side with the Pharisees in falsely accusing Yahshua of blasphemy, breaking the Sabbath and making himself out to be "God." These men were out to entrap Yahshua in his words! Why would you take the side of fools? Only a fool would take side with fools! I myself choose to side with what the righteous MAN Yahshua said who was inspired by his and our FATHER Yahweh. I certainly would never side with the unrighteous and foolish Pharisees whose only agenda was to entrap Yahshua in his words. Their agenda most certainly was not in understanding what Yahshua said! Yahshua never once proclaimed to anyone that he was "God." You absolutely will find no record in the so-called "New Testament" where Yahshua ever proclaimed to be "God." He said that he was the SON of Yahweh ["God"].

Mr anony:
yeah but I don't jump from translation to translation in order to force a point I let the text speak for itself.

Yes, you do! You just got through consulted the Moffatt translation to force your erroneous point!

Mr anony:
Lol but the bible makes that profoundly clear. that's exactly what it says in Hebrews 1 or what else do you think the passage was saying?

No, that is not EXACTLY what it says. In fact, nowhere in ANY Scripture translation will you ever find it said "Yahshua IS Yahweh."[/quote]

Mr anony:
Then you are being willfully blind because the passage starts by clearly proclaiming that it is referring to the Son.

The first part is in reference to the SON, but where it says "You did found the earth at the beginning, Yahweh, and the heavens are the work of Your hands they will perish, but You remain.", this is in reference to to his and our FATHER Yahweh, since Scripture clearly teaches that FATHER Yahweh created the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM."

Mr anony:
Exactly, it is because the same is said of the Father and the Son that we come to the conclusion that the father and Son are both equally God.

It seems you enjoy it when you make Scripture contradict itself! Yahshua clearly said that the FATHER was GREATER than he.

Mr anony:
Yes I believe that God took the form of a man and was crucified for our sake bearing upon himself the rightful judgment of wrath that our sins deserve.

Again you make Scripture contradict itself! Nowhere in Scripture does it ever say or teach "God took the form of a man and was crucified for our sake bearing upon himself the rightful judgment of wrath that our sins deserve. In fact, it truthfully says that FATHER Yahweh SENT HIS SON into the world. FATHER Yahweh did not say that He sent Himself into the world! Again, it is obvious that you believe that it is possible for mere men to execute FATHER Yahweh by nailing Him to a pagan cross. Pure poppycock!

Mr anony:
Thank you sir. Please tell him.

You two can tell me such foolishness till you are blue in the face and I will still not believe such foolishness.