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frosbel as a side note; who is dat God that bought the church with His own blood in the Act 20:28 you quoted? |
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i think where the blood is removed was quoted. take note |
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NIV butchered 64,576 words Don't look for the "mercyseat" in the NIV - GONE! Don't look for "Jehovah" in the NIV - GONE! Don't look for the "Godhead" in the NIV - GONE! The NIV removes wonderful Bible "terms" like remission, regeneration, impute, propitiation, new testament and many others! Despite God's clear warnings about "taking away" from His words - the NIV removes 64,576 words! Over 8 percent of God's word is "TAKETH AWAY"! That equals REMOVING the books of Ruth, Esther, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Lamentations, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Malachi, Colossians, I Thessalonians, II Thessalonians, I Timothy, II Timothy, Titus, Philemon, James, I Peter, II Peter, I John, II John, III John, Jude and more - COMBINED!!! The equivalence of ripping out OVER 30 BOOKS of the Bible! In case you think it's insignificant words like "thee" and "thou"? The NIV removes major portions of at least 147 verses! Here's a small (very small) sampling of words removed in the NIV! Matt. 6:13, "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen." Matt. 15:8, "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth" Matt. 19:9, "and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." Matt. 20:7, "and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive." Matt. 20:16, "for many be called, but few chosen." Matt. 20:22, "and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with" Matt. 25:13, "wherein the Son of Man cometh." Matt. 27:35, "that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet They parted my garments among them and upon my vesture did they cast lots" Mark 6:11, "Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city." Mark 10:21, "take up the cross." Luke 1:28, "blessed art thou among women" Luke 4:4, "but by every word of God" Luke 4:8, "get thee behind me Satan" Luke 4:18, "he hath sent me to heal the broken hearted" Luke 11:2-4, "Our ... which art in ... Thy will be done, as in heaven so in earth... but deliver us from evil" John 1:27, "is preferred before me" John 3:13, "which is in heaven" John 3:15, "should not perish" John 11:41, "from the place where the dead was laid" John 16:16, "because I go to the Father" Acts 10:6, "he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do" Acts 15:18, "Known unto God are all his works" Acts 20:24, "But none of these things move me" Acts 23:9, "let us not fight against God" Rom. 8:1, "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" Rom. 13:9, "Thou shalt not bear false witness" I Cor. 6:20, "and in your spirit which are God's" I Cor. 11:24; "Take eat... broken" II Cor. 10:4, "but mighty through God" Gal. 3:1, "that you should not obey the truth" Eph. 5:30, "of his flesh, and of his bones" Phil. 3:16, "let us mind the same thing" I Tim. 6:5, "from such wthdraw thyself" Heb. 7:21, "after the order of Melchisedec" I Pet. 1:22, "through the Spirit" I Pet. 4:14, "on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified" I John 4:3, "Christ is come in the flesh" I John 5:13, "and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God" Rev. 1:11, "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" Rev. 5:14, "him that liveth for ever and ever" Rev. 14:5, "before the throne of God" Rev. 21:24, "of them which are saved" Jesus Christ says, in Luke 4:4, ". . . It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God." But not according to the NIV! In fact, the NIV even "TAKETH AWAY" the last half of Luke 4:4 - "BUT BY EVERY WORD OF GOD"! And Jesus Christ was quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 to Satan! Does the NIV PERversion seriously think the Lord Jesus Christ does NOT know Duet. 8:3 ![]() |
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NIV butchered 17 verses Wonderful and precious verses like: MATTHEW 18:11 : "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.". ACTS 8:37 : "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." The NIV PERversion completely "TAKETH AWAY" Matthew 17:21, 18:11, 23:14, Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 15:28, Luke 17:36, 23:17, John 5:4, Acts 8:37, 15:34, 24:7, 28:28, Romans 16:24 and 1 John 5:7! After Mark 16:8 the NIV says, "The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20." ZAP-There goes another 12 verses! And by the way, that is absolutely untrue! The book, The Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel of Mark, by Dean Burgon contains over 400 pages of documented evidence for Mark 16:9-20, that has never been refuted, nor ever will! After John 7:52, the NIV, reads, "The earliest and most reliable manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53-8:11" ZAP-There goes another 12 verses! Matt. 12:47, 21:44, Luke 22:43 and 22:44 are all removed in the footnotes! That's 45 complete verses the NIV removes from the text or in the footnotes! |
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NIV known for butchering God's word Deuteronomy 4:2 reads: " YE SHALL NOT ADD unto the word which I command you, NEITHER SHALL YE DIMINISH ought from it . . ." Proverbs 30:6, reads, " ADD THOU NOT unto his words . . ." And just in case you missed it, GOD'S LAST WARNING is Revelation 22:18,19, ". . . If any man SHALL ADD unto these things. . . And if any man shall TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORDS of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life. . ." And Jesus Christ, in Luke 8:12, gives a clear aim of Satan, ". . . then cometh the devil, and TAKETH AWAY the word . . ." |
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JOHN 3:16: The NIV reads, "For God so loved the world that he gave his ONE AND ONLY SON , that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life". Jesus was NOT "the one and only son" - Adam is called the "son of God" in Luke 3:38, there are "sons of God" in Job 1:6 and Christians are called "sons of God" in Phil 2:15, I John 3:2- but Jesus was the "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON"! By removing the critical word "BEGOTTEN" - The NIV perverts John 3:16 into a LIE! The NIV does the same in John 1:14, 1:18, and 3:18 . |
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NIV perverts truth into lies The NIV perverts Mark 1:2,3 into a LIE! The NIV reads "It is written in Isaiah the prophet: I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way-a voice of one calling in the desert, Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him." It is NOT written in Isaiah! "I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way" - is found in Malachi 3:1! The King James correctly reads: "As it is written in the PROPHETS, . . ." A better translation! Easier to read - BY A LIE! Psalms 119:160 says, "Thy word is TRUE. . ." John 17:17 says, ". . . thy word is TRUTH." Titus 1:2 clearly says, ". . . God that CANNOT LIE" How could the God of Titus 1:2 be the God of Mark 1:2,3 in the NIV!? IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! For Hebrews 6:18 clearly declares, ". . . it was IMPOSSIBLE for God to LIE" It is impossible for the LIES in the NIV to be the words of GOD! Whose words are they? I'll give you a hint - Jesus Christ calls him "A LIAR, and the father of it" in John 8:44! The NIV again openly LIES in 2 Samuel 21:19, ". . . Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod." What 8-year-old doesn't know that David killed Goliath? Romans 1:18-32 describes the "path to perversion" and verse 25, describes their decline, "Who changed the TRUTH of God into a LIE. . ."! Not surprisingly, The NIV perverts Romans 1:25 from " CHANGED the truth of God INTO a lie" to "EXCHANGED the truth of God FOR a lie"! |
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truthislight: fraud? i dont think so. but i think JW is d fraud u meant to say. |
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Truth will always prevail |
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NIV and the Lord's Prayer LUKE 11:2-4: The KJB reads, ". . .Our Father which art in heaven , Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. " The NIV removes everything that refers to a Holy God in heaven -"WHICH ART IN HEAVEN. . . Thy will be done, AS IN HEAVEN, so in earth. . . but DELIVER US FROM EVIL." Everything that distinguishes God from the Devil is REMOVED! "OUR FATHER" of the NIV is "NOT IN HEAVEN" and "DOES NOT DELIVER FROM EVIL!" I wonder who it could be? (hint: see John 8:44) |
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NIV robs Christ of worship In Matt. 8:2, 9:18, 15:25, 18:26, 20:20, Mark 5:6, 15:19 "worshipped him" is removed in the NIV! Why doesn't the NIV want Jesus Christ to be worshipped? Hint: see Luke 4:7, Matt. 4:9. |
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NIV and se.xual perversion Romans 1:26-32 also shows the "fruits" of "sowing" ". . . the TRUTH of God into a LIE. . ." Verses 26-27 says "FOR THIS CAUSE (vs 25 for "changing the TRUTH of God into a LIE" ![]() unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, . . ." The last few years homose.xuality and se.xual perversion have "exploded" into the mainstream. Legislation is now pending making same-sex marriages legal. Books such as Heather Has Two Mommies and Daddy's Roommate , promoting homose.xuality, are in our schools. According to The Washington Post , bise.xuality and homose.xuality, are the "in thing" in our public schools. And even churches are now welcoming homose.xuals and are even ordaining them in the ministry! A literary critic on the NIV translation was homose.xual author Dr. Virginia Mollenkott. In Episcopal, Witness (June 1991, pp. 20-23), she admits, "My lesbianism has ALWAYS been a part of me. . ." To no surprise, "sodomite" is completely removed from the NIV. (Deut.23:17, I Kings 14:24, 15:12, 22:46, II Kings23:7) And of course, I Cor. 6:9, ". . . effemin.ate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. . ." is replaced with the non-offensive ". . . nor male prosti.tutes nor homose.xual offenders. . ." Notice the NIV in I Cor. 6:9 does NOT condemn "homose.xuals" or the "act of homose.xuality" - but ONLY"homose.xual OFFENDERS". |
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Isaiah 14:14 reveals Satan's grandest desire, "I will be like the most High." And with a little subtil perversion - the NIV in Isaiah 14:12 grants Satan's wish! ISAIAH 14:12: The KJB reads, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER , son of the morning!. . ." The NIV PERversion reads, "How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR , son of the dawn. . ." The NIV change "Lucifer" to "MORNING STAR" . BUT WAIT. . . I thought the Lord Jesus Christ was the MORNING STAR ? Doesn't Revelation 22:16 say, "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and MORNING STAR ". The NIV CLEARY AND BLATANTLY makes LUCIFER -- The Lord Jesus Christ! WHAT BLASPHEMY! WHAT PERVERSION! And Christians claim the NIV is a "better translation"! ISAIAH 14:15: The King James Bible condemns Lucifer to hell: "Yet thou shalt be brought down to HELL . . ." The NIV does NOT condemn Lucifer to HELL! The NIV reads, "But you are brought down to the GRAVE. . ." We all go to the GRAVE! Why doesn't the NIV want Satan in hell? |
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NIV removes the Blood of Jesus Christ COLOSSIANS 1:14: The KJB reads, "In whom we have redemption THROUGH HIS BLOOD, even the forgiveness of sins:" The NIV reads, "In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." TheNIV rips out the precious words "THROUGH HIS BLOOD"! Friend redemption is ONLY "THROUGH HIS BLOOD". Hebrews 9:22, reads, ". . . without shedding of BLOOD is no remission." That old song says, "What can wash away my sins, NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!" |
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The NIV perverts the deity of Jesus Christ I TIMOTHY 3:16: The clearest verse in the Bible proclaiming that Jesus Christ was God. The King James Bible (KJB) reads, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH. . ." The King James says, plainly, " GOD was manifest in the flesh". The NIV reads, "HE appeared in a body". The NIV "twists""GOD" to "HE". "HE appeared in a body"? So What? Everyone has "appeared in a body"! "He" is a pronoun that refers to a noun or antecedent. There is no antecedent in the context! The statement does NOT make sense! The NIV subtilty (see Genesis 3:1) perverts I Timothy 3:16 into utter nonsense! PHILIPPIANS 2:6: The KJB again, clearly declares the deity of Jesus Christ: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD " The NIV reads, "Who, being in very nature God, DID NOT CONSIDER EQUALITY WITH GOD something to be grasped,". The NIV again subtitly perverts the deity of Jesus Christ! |
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This generation has a hunger for perversion. What was perversion just a few years ago, is now "normal". What was "hiding" in the closet is now "parading" in our streets. Perversion has found a welcome home - from the livingroom, to the White House; from our churches - to even the word of God! Our friend Webster, defines "pervert" as 1. to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true... 2. to twist the meaning or sense of: misinterpret (Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1977, p.856). A perfect definition of The New International Version (NIV): "to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true" and "to twist the meaning or sense of". If you doubt that, before you start reading this tract - get the NIV and check it as you read this tract |
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The NIV reads: Ephesians 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things." The NASB and the Catholic NAB are also missing the same key piece of information. What information is that? Lets see what the word of God tells us: The KJB says: Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST." There it is people. 'By Jesus Christ' is the information missing from the new versions. We know from the true word of God, that Christ made all things, and NOTHING was made without him. (John 1:3, KJB) Another place where the new versions agree with each other, including the NWT, and disagree with the King James Bible is in Philippians 2:6: The NWT says "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV says "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped." Now lets look at these two carefully. They appear to be different, but they are both making the same statement. The NWT says "gave no consideration...that he should be equal to God"...and the NIV says "did not consider equality...something to be grasped." Both of these version say he did NOT consider himself equal with GOD or even able to 'grasp' or 'seize' such a notion. But listen to the Word of God, people, for it again leaves no doubt about who Jesus said he was. The King James says, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Jesus did NOT consider it ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL. Its not that he DID NOT CONSIDER being equal with God...but considered it NOT ROBBERY to BE EQUAL with God. So it boils down to, to be, or not to be...that IS the question! And the King James Bible has THE ANSWER!! So the new version reader who believes the Jehovah's witness is deceived, by now must be able to see that these are in agreement with each other. A clever JW, and they are clever, could use this agreement between bibles as an opportunity to sway someone to Kingdom hall. All he would have to do is say, See? we believe the same thing. Our bibles tell us so! Finally dear readers, let's look at one more verse. This verse is from the glorious book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Hear how the new versions, including the NWT butcher this one: The NWT says in Revelation 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..." The NIV says "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches." The NASB says "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches." But the KJB says " Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches..." Now, because the Jehovah's witnesses openly and publicly deny Jesus Christ is God, its not a big mystery why they would wrench 'Alpha and Omega' from the scriptures. What about the others? What purpose would they have to hide the fact that Jesus Christ is God? Perhaps it was because the men behind the Greek texts ALSO publicly denied Jesus Christ is God. The translators of the NIV were sodomites, heretics, and obviously staunch ecumenists. This ecumenism has swept the world. How? The modern perversions! So, NIV, NASB and other modern version readers, the next time a JW comes knocking on your door, will you have any other choice but to slam the door in their faces? Did you know that ALL of the verses that are completely OMITTED and wiped out from the NWT are ALSO completely wiped out from the NIV? Verses like Matt 18:11, Luke 17:36, Romans 16:24, 1John 5:7, and many many others? You couldn't preach to them the true doctrines of Christ and try to win them to the truth! The bibles you and they use are from the SAME Greek texts created by the SAME men who say the SAME things against our Lord, our God, Jesus Christ. I sincerely hope you will take up a study between the New world translation and the other modern versions. Add it to your list of bibles in agreement with you and against the King James Bible. If you say the JW's are deceived, maybe even a cult, you are correct. But you will never be able to prove it using the modern bibles. |
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The NIV reads: Ephesians 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things." The NASB and the Catholic NAB are also missing the same key piece of information. What information is that? Lets see what the word of God tells us: The KJB says: Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST." There it is people. 'By Jesus Christ' is the information missing from the new versions. We know from the true word of God, that Christ made all things, and NOTHING was made without him. (John 1:3, KJB) Another place where the new versions agree with each other, including the NWT, and disagree with the King James Bible is in Philippians 2:6: The NWT says "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV says "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped." Now lets look at these two carefully. They appear to be different, but they are both making the same statement. The NWT says "gave no consideration...that he should be equal to God"...and the NIV says "did not consider equality...something to be grasped." Both of these version say he did NOT consider himself equal with GOD or even able to 'grasp' or 'seize' such a notion. But listen to the Word of God, people, for it again leaves no doubt about who Jesus said he was. The King James says, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Jesus did NOT consider it ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL. Its not that he DID NOT CONSIDER being equal with God...but considered it NOT ROBBERY to BE EQUAL with God. So it boils down to, to be, or not to be...that IS the question! And the King James Bible has THE ANSWER!! So the new version reader who believes the Jehovah's witness is deceived, by now must be able to see that these are in agreement with each other. A clever JW, and they are clever, could use this agreement between bibles as an opportunity to sway someone to Kingdom hall. All he would have to do is say, See? we believe the same thing. Our bibles tell us so! Finally dear readers, let's look at one more verse. This verse is from the glorious book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Hear how the new versions, including the NWT butcher this one: The NWT says in Revelation 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..." The NIV says "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches." The NASB says "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches." But the KJB says " Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches..." Now, because the Jehovah's witnesses openly and publicly deny Jesus Christ is God, its not a big mystery why they would wrench 'Alpha and Omega' from the scriptures. What about the others? What purpose would they have to hide the fact that Jesus Christ is God? Perhaps it was because the men behind the Greek texts ALSO publicly denied Jesus Christ is God. The translators of the NIV were sodomites, heretics, and obviously staunch ecumenists. This ecumenism has swept the world. How? The modern perversions! So, NIV, NASB and other modern version readers, the next time a JW comes knocking on your door, will you have any other choice but to slam the door in their faces? Did you know that ALL of the verses that are completely OMITTED and wiped out from the NWT are ALSO completely wiped out from the NIV? Verses like Matt 18:11, Luke 17:36, Romans 16:24, 1John 5:7, and many many others? You couldn't preach to them the true doctrines of Christ and try to win them to the truth! The bibles you and they use are from the SAME Greek texts created by the SAME men who say the SAME things against our Lord, our God, Jesus Christ. I sincerely hope you will take up a study between the New world translation and the other modern versions. Add it to your list of bibles in agreement with you and against the King James Bible. If you say the JW's are deceived, maybe even a cult, you are correct. But you will never be able to prove it using the modern bibles. |
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The NIV and NASB are the same bibles as the Jehovah Witnesses' NWT Good morning . Id like to ask all of the readers who use the NIV as their final authority if they consider the Rusellites, better known as the Jehovah's witnesses, a cult, or do you call them your brothers? The reason why I'm asking this question is because I'd like to show the NIV reader who believes JW's are deceived just what he is up against if he tries to preach to them using the NIV. Id also like to show why it is that so many people are calling these deniers of the truth about Jesus 'brothers in Christ.' I shall be able to show both of these points at the same time, for I will prove that there is very little difference between the NIV and the Jehovah Witness' bible. When a JW says 'the bible' he means The New World Translation. According to the 1984 Edition of the New World Translation, in the forward by the New World Bible Translation Committee, June 1, 1984, it describes all of the revisions that they've made over the years. This committee reveals itself to us clearly, when it states, and I quote "In 1969 the Committee released 'The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, which presented under the Greek text revised by Westcott And Hort (1984 reprint) a literal word for word translation into English" Now we have here the open admission that the New World Bible Translation Committee used these corrupt texts penned by these two corrupt and unfaithful men. Note also that they say 'a translation of THE Greek Scriptures' as if there were only one set of Greek texts. They certainly wouldn't mention the Textus Receptus to these poor followers of Russell and Rutherford. For if they knew there was another word out there that contradicted their own, they would KNOW BELIEVE and UNDERSTAND as it says in Isaiah 43:10 that Jesus most assuredly DID say WHO HE WAS. John 8:58 says "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. " The Rusellites have distorted these beautiful and simple words of our Lord into "Jesus said to them: Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I HAVE BEEN." People, I hope you heard that. I HAVE BEEN? My GOD is not a HAVE BEEN! When Moses was on the mount before God, and asked Him what to tell the people when they asked who God was, Did God say 'I HAVE BEEN THAT I HAVE BEEN?' NO!!! Did he tell Moses to tell them "I HAVE BEEN HATH SENT THEE'? NO!! The word of God in Exodus 3:14 says And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And by the way, do you think "before Abraham came into existence" is easier to understand than "before Abraham was"? Anyway, if the I AM in Hebrews 8;58 is changed, the reference to exodus 3:14 is LOST, and anyone reading it that way will not know that Jesus is the I AM in John 8:58 and the SAME I AM that spoke to Moses from the burning bush. People listen carefully and hear what the New World Translation gives to the people in their version of exodus 3:14! "At this God said to Moses; "I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE"! And he added "this is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, 'I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to you.'" Oh my!! Isaiah 8:20 of the King James bible is the first verse that comes to mind, for it says "To the Law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." The lights are out for sure on this one, people! Another thing about the new world translation I'd like to point out to you is that it contradicts itself concerning their Jehovah and their Jesus. In Deuteronomy 32:39 of the NWT, it says "see that now I - I am he, And there are no gods together with me. ..." But in John 1:1 of the NWT, it says, "In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God and the Word was a god." Hear the contradiction? are there no gods together with him, or is there a god with him? Now, NIV reader, or NASB reader, or even Catholic New American Bible readers, this question is for you...what if you were faced with the situation of having to PROVE to any Jehovah's Witness that Jesus Christ is truly God? Lets find out. If you were to quote the following verses to a JW, by the time it was all over you might be asking yourself if YOU aren't a JW and just didn't know it! In the NWT of Luke 2:33 we read this: "And ITS FATHER and mother continued wondering at the things being spoken about IT." In the NIV of Luke 2:33, we read the following: "The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him." And finally, let us hear the word of God, Luke 2:33 "And JOSEPH and his mother marveled at those things which were spoken of him." (KJV) Wow folks did you hear that? The NIV and the NWT BOTH say 'father' instead of JOSEPH. Is Joseph Jesus' father? NO!! If he were, Jesus would not be the only BEGOTTEN Son of God. The NWT makes it even worse by calling HIM, Jesus, and "IT". (IT?? Is this for the benefit of those freaks out there who think Jesus is an extra- terrestrial?) Speaking of Begotten, lets look at John 1:18 for a moment. The NWT of John 1:18 reads: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him." Let me point out that the 'only begotten god' is with a small 'g', which helps out the Rusellite position that Jesus is just a 'little god'. Now lets look at the NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]" Look at that! The NASB has a begotten God too. Granted, this 'god' gets a capital 'G', but unless I forgot how to count, I see TWO GODS here!! The NIV changes this ever so slightly, so as to give the illusion it is not in agreement with these. "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, [5] [6] who is at the Father's side, has made him known." See? only God the one and only has seen God. Looks like two gods in the NIV too. Finally people, let us hear the word of God, John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." Amen! Lets now compare 1Timothy 3:16 The NWT says "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..." The NIV says "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE [6] appeared in a body..." HE? HE WHO?? Did you know that in the doctrines of the New Age movement, they say that 'Christ' really means 'Christ Consciousness' and that this is something any person can achieve for themselves? They further state that several people managed to have the "Christ consciousness', including Buddha, Confucius, Jesus, and Mohammed. So, for the New Ager, the either of the two modern versions quoted here would be suitable for them, because neither of them make the designation of who HE is...HE could be ANYBODY!! The NIV even further magnifies this new age belief by stating that this undesignated "HE" just APPEARED in a Body! The JW has no problem denying Jesus is God here because there is no designation for HE in the NWT either. Finally, The KJB says "Without Controversy great is the mystery of godliness...GOD was manifest in the flesh..." Every one of these new versions says "HE" instead of GOD. Is there any doubt about WHO was manifest in the flesh, when one is reading the King James Bible? JESUS was the flesh of God...GOD was manifest in the flesh, not some unnamable "HE" (which the New Agers call the "unknown and unknowable" ![]() Krishna or Confucius like the New Age would have us believe! There are hundreds of other verses where 'Jesus' or 'Lord' or 'Christ' or 'God' has been replaced with 'HE', including Acts 4:24, and Mark 13:6. And, people, don't go looking in the new versions for the Godhead, because he's NOT THERE!! There are three references to the word 'Godhead' in scripture. Acts 17:29, Col 2:9, and Rom.1:20 The NWT and NIV are IDENTICAL in their changing of the word Godhead into DIVINE BEING. Let me point out that its no surprise that the Rutherford version changes this, as they are deniers of Jesus anyway. But why does the NIV read identically? Why? because people they used the SAME CORRUPT TEXTS!! The same spirit that questioned and changed God's word clear back in the garden is in these modern versions. The same spirit of antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son, dwells in these perverted "bibles"!! Lets move on now to Ephesians 3:9. There is a key piece of information REMOVED from this verse in the new versions. The NWT of Eph 3:9 reads:" And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things." The NIV reads: Ephesians 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things." The |
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Mr Barrister i dont know why u see me as a catholic for the records, i am not a catholic and i do not believe in purgatory or praying for the dead. i do not worship under any denomination whatsoever as that is division in the body of Christ - which i know JW actively participate in. be that as it may, i recognize any part of the bible that any organization gets rights. just as in the case of tithes that JW got right but other falsehood from JW, i stay clear off. Reference this when u talk to me about ur lies. |
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true2god dont mind those who sell falsehood worldwide |
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Barrister only a cultist will defend lies from his master - JW. False prophecies/predictions have been one of the hallmarks of JW, Lies and boastings, claims upon claims - no organisation read the bible more than we do, no organisation practise christianity more than we, christiendom is evil, we are the most hated, dont touch blood (while their prophets use drugs made from human blood) etc. Lies have been part of you. Shame will be urs when watchtower wakes up tomorrow and reviews its stand on some issues |
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@Barrister i can understand ur frustration seeing the fallacy u peddled for long being exposed in the light of the truth. It is a shame that anyone with different view from ur falsehood u lump same together with catholics. I got tired reading the nonsense u spewed above. Do u think lengthy and incoherent falsehood wins a case? Quoting scriptures for u is a waste of time seeing that u have swallowed every bit of rubbish from watchtower and that will not allow u to see that Jesus Christ is not angel Michael even from d falsehood u peddle. Last question for falsehood peddlers - where in ur own version of the bible is Jesus Christ called Archangel Michael? @plapp Jesus existed as God and exists as God. Numerous scriptures attest to that |
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true2god: No one is havin any pain here. No one will either buy ur Jesus christ the angel Michael idea from ur watchtower magazine, not from the Bible.this is an eye opener. Indeed u wont see them criticize those organisations |
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ur problem is always trying to correct someone when ur posts are full of errors and misinformed statements. u are proud to know nothing. correct urself and make sense to others |
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of course worshipping other creatures is putting them before God. God is pretty much pleased when worship is directed at Christ - showing that He shares d same glory with d Father. But God is jealous when u worship angels including Angel Michael. |
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truthislight:what other scriptures are u talking about? how u arrived at ur conclusion is still allien to most people here knowing that those other scriptures in no where called or even suggested that Jesus our creator is angel Micheal. what about numerous scriptures that explicitly and exclusively called Jesus Christ God? are u gona throw them away just to reduce Jesus to a mere angel? what will become of u if ur GB decides to change its stand on who Jesus is tomorrow? |
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truthislight:how can u see d value when u have been blindfolded by JW sect? did u truncate d book of Hebrews from ur bible as u did to other verses that expose ur falsehood? can u for once think outside what u have been fed in JW? Is there any where in d bible that Jesus is called Angel Michael? Is there anywhere that angels are told to worship Jesus? Is Jesus called God in ur own bible? Did Michael create d universe? do u worship angels? what does d bible say about worshipping angels? if God Almighty is our Saviour and Jesus also our Saviour - showing their oneness; what made u leave this issue to stick to calling Jesus angel Michael because He will be coming with an arch angels voice? Is Michael d only arch angel? In fact joining issues with u is an effort in futility. |
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doctrine is one tough thing to deal with. Being known to always change ones belief is one reason i cant join issues with JW. What exactly will become of these fellas when some kind of light gets brighter and the whole belief system is changed? The lenghth some JW can go to defend manmade doctrine is quite amazing forgeting that their light may get brighter tomorrow and their belief today becomes a sin. What kind of light is this that can never be brightest? Certainly not the light from God. |
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This is d height of blasphemy - equating Jesus' blood to Mary's. |
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if Jesus was not called angel Michael, i wonder how men came to that conclusion. if we are to toll truthislife's explanation, then since Almighty God has the mandate to save His people and Jesus equally has d same mandate; i can conclude that Jesus is d Almighty God. if Jonathan is coming to imo state with d voice of army chief of stafff, does it make Jonathan chief of army staff? if jonathan has d mandate of securing lives and property, does it make him an army officer who has d same mandate? if Jesus is called God, who are JW to call Him Michael? |
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