frosbel as a side note;
who is dat God that bought the church with His own blood in the Act 20:28 you quoted?

i think where the blood is removed was quoted. take note

NIV butchered 64,576 words

Don't look for the "mercyseat" in the NIV - GONE!
Don't look for "Jehovah" in the NIV -
GONE!
Don't look for the "Godhead" in the NIV - GONE!
The NIV removes wonderful Bible "terms"
like remission, regeneration, impute,
propitiation, new testament and many
others!
Despite God's clear warnings about
"taking away" from His words - the NIV
removes 64,576 words! Over 8 percent of God's word is "TAKETH AWAY"!
That equals REMOVING the books of
Ruth, Esther, Ecclesiastes, Song of
Solomon, Lamentations, Hosea, Joel,
Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum,
Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Malachi,
Colossians, I Thessalonians, II
Thessalonians, I Timothy, II Timothy,
Titus, Philemon, James, I Peter, II Peter, I
John, II John, III John, Jude and more -
COMBINED!!! The equivalence of
ripping out OVER 30 BOOKS of the
Bible!
In case you think it's insignificant words like "thee" and "thou"? The NIV removes major portions of at least 147 verses!
Here's a small (very small) sampling of
words removed in the NIV!
Matt. 6:13, "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.
Amen."
Matt. 15:8, "This people draweth nigh
unto me with their mouth"
Matt. 19:9, "and whoso marrieth her
which is put away doth commit
adultery."
Matt. 20:7, "and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive."
Matt. 20:16, "for many be called, but few chosen."
Matt. 20:22, "and be baptized with the
baptism that I am baptized with"
Matt. 25:13, "wherein the Son of Man
cometh."
Matt. 27:35, "that it might be fulfilled
which was spoken by the prophet They
parted my garments among them and
upon my vesture did they cast lots"
Mark 6:11, "Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Sodom and
Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than
for that city."
Mark 10:21, "take up the cross."
Luke 1:28, "blessed art thou among
women"
Luke 4:4, "but by every word of God"
Luke 4:8, "get thee behind me Satan"
Luke 4:18, "he hath sent me to heal the broken hearted"
Luke 11:2-4, "Our ... which art in ... Thy
will be done, as in heaven so in earth...
but deliver us from evil"
John 1:27, "is preferred before me"
John 3:13, "which is in heaven"
John 3:15, "should not perish"
John 11:41, "from the place where the
dead was laid"
John 16:16, "because I go to the Father"
Acts 10:6, "he shall tell thee what thou
oughtest to do"
Acts 15:18, "Known unto God are all his
works"
Acts 20:24, "But none of these things
move me"
Acts 23:9, "let us not fight against God"
Rom. 8:1, "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit"
Rom. 13:9, "Thou shalt not bear false
witness"
I Cor. 6:20, "and in your spirit which are
God's"
I Cor. 11:24; "Take eat... broken"
II Cor. 10:4, "but mighty through God"
Gal. 3:1, "that you should not obey the
truth"
Eph. 5:30, "of his flesh, and of his bones"
Phil. 3:16, "let us mind the same thing"
I Tim. 6:5, "from such wthdraw thyself"
Heb. 7:21, "after the order of
Melchisedec"
I Pet. 1:22, "through the Spirit"
I Pet. 4:14, "on their part he is evil
spoken of, but on your part he is
glorified"
I John 4:3, "Christ is come in the flesh"
I John 5:13, "and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God"
Rev. 1:11, "I am Alpha and Omega, the
first and the last"
Rev. 5:14, "him that liveth for ever and
ever"
Rev. 14:5, "before the throne of God"
Rev. 21:24, "of them which are saved"
Jesus Christ says, in Luke 4:4, ". . . It is
written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God." But not according to the NIV! In fact, the NIV even "TAKETH AWAY" the last half of Luke 4:4 - "BUT BY EVERY WORD OF GOD"! And Jesus Christ was quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 to Satan! Does the
NIV PERversion seriously think the
Lord Jesus Christ does NOT know
Duet. 8:3

NIV butchered 17 verses

Wonderful and precious verses like:
MATTHEW 18:11 : "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.".
ACTS 8:37 : "And Philip said, If thou
believest with all thine heart, thou
mayest. And he answered and said, I
believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of
God."
The NIV PERversion completely
"TAKETH AWAY" Matthew 17:21, 18:11,
23:14, Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 15:28, Luke 17:36, 23:17, John 5:4, Acts 8:37, 15:34, 24:7, 28:28, Romans 16:24 and 1 John 5:7!
After Mark 16:8 the NIV says, "The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20." ZAP-There goes another 12 verses! And by the way, that is absolutely untrue! The book, The Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel of Mark, by Dean Burgon contains over 400 pages of documented evidence for Mark 16:9-20, that has never been refuted, nor ever
will!
After John 7:52, the NIV, reads, "The
earliest and most reliable manuscripts
and other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53-8:11" ZAP-There goes another 12 verses!
Matt. 12:47, 21:44, Luke 22:43 and 22:44
are all removed in the footnotes!
That's 45 complete verses the NIV
removes from the text or in the
footnotes!

NIV known for butchering God's word

Deuteronomy 4:2 reads: " YE SHALL NOT ADD unto the word which I command you, NEITHER SHALL YE DIMINISH ought from it . . ."
Proverbs 30:6, reads, " ADD THOU NOT
unto his words . . ."
And just in case you missed it, GOD'S
LAST WARNING is Revelation 22:18,19,
". . . If any man SHALL ADD unto these
things. . . And if any man shall TAKE
AWAY FROM THE WORDS of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life. . ."
And Jesus Christ, in Luke 8:12, gives a
clear aim of Satan, ". . . then cometh the devil, and TAKETH AWAY the
word . . ."

JOHN 3:16: The NIV reads, "For God so
loved the world that he gave his ONE
AND ONLY SON , that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life". Jesus was NOT "the one and only son" -
Adam is called the "son of God" in Luke
3:38, there are "sons of God" in Job 1:6
and Christians are called "sons of God" in Phil 2:15, I John 3:2- but Jesus was the "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON"! By removing the critical word "BEGOTTEN" - The NIV perverts John 3:16 into a LIE! The NIV does the same in John 1:14, 1:18, and 3:18 .

NIV perverts truth into lies

The NIV perverts Mark 1:2,3 into a LIE!
The NIV reads "It is written in Isaiah the prophet: I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way-a voice of one calling in the desert, Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him." It is NOT written in Isaiah! "I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will
prepare your way" - is found in Malachi
3:1! The King James correctly reads: "As
it is written in the PROPHETS, . . ." A
better translation! Easier to read - BY A LIE!
Psalms 119:160 says, "Thy word is
TRUE. . ." John 17:17 says, ". . . thy
word is TRUTH." Titus 1:2 clearly says,
". . . God that CANNOT LIE" How could
the God of Titus 1:2 be the God of Mark
1:2,3 in the NIV!? IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! For Hebrews 6:18 clearly declares, ". . . it was IMPOSSIBLE for God to LIE" It is
impossible for the LIES in the NIV to be the words of GOD! Whose words are
they? I'll give you a hint - Jesus Christ
calls him "A LIAR, and the father of it"
in John 8:44!
The NIV again openly LIES in 2 Samuel
21:19, ". . . Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod." What 8-year-old doesn't know that David killed Goliath?
Romans 1:18-32 describes the "path to
perversion" and verse 25, describes their decline, "Who changed the TRUTH of God into a LIE. . ."! Not surprisingly,
The NIV perverts Romans 1:25 from
" CHANGED the truth of God INTO a
lie" to "EXCHANGED the truth of God
FOR a lie"!

truthislight:

is this op a fraud?

fraud? i dont think so. but i think JW is d fraud u meant to say.

Truth will always prevail

NIV and the Lord's Prayer

LUKE 11:2-4: The KJB reads, ". . .Our Father which art in heaven , Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
" The NIV removes everything that
refers to a Holy God in heaven
-"WHICH ART IN HEAVEN. . . Thy will
be done, AS IN HEAVEN, so in earth. . .
but DELIVER US FROM EVIL."
Everything that distinguishes God from
the Devil is REMOVED! "OUR FATHER"
of the NIV is "NOT IN HEAVEN" and
"DOES NOT DELIVER FROM EVIL!" I
wonder who it could be? (hint: see John
8:44)

NIV robs Christ of worship

In Matt. 8:2, 9:18, 15:25, 18:26, 20:20,
Mark 5:6, 15:19 "worshipped him" is
removed in the NIV! Why doesn't the NIV want Jesus Christ to be worshipped? Hint:
see Luke 4:7, Matt. 4:9.

NIV and se.xual perversion

Romans 1:26-32 also shows the "fruits"
of "sowing" ". . . the TRUTH of God into
a LIE. . ." Verses 26-27 says "FOR THIS
CAUSE (vs 25 for "changing the TRUTH
of God into a LIE" God gave them up
unto vile affections: for even their
women did change the natural use into
that which is against nature: And
likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, . . ."
The last few years homose.xuality and
se.xual perversion have "exploded" into
the mainstream. Legislation is now
pending making same-sex marriages
legal. Books such as Heather Has Two
Mommies and Daddy's Roommate ,
promoting homose.xuality, are in our
schools. According to The Washington
Post , bise.xuality and homose.xuality, are the "in thing" in our public schools. And even churches are now welcoming
homose.xuals and are even ordaining them in the ministry!
A literary critic on the NIV translation
was homose.xual author Dr. Virginia
Mollenkott. In Episcopal, Witness (June
1991, pp. 20-23), she admits, "My
lesbianism has ALWAYS been a part of
me. . ." To no surprise, "sodomite" is
completely removed from the NIV. (Deut.23:17, I Kings 14:24, 15:12, 22:46, II Kings23:7) And of course, I Cor. 6:9, ". . .
effemin.ate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. . ." is replaced with the non-offensive ". . . nor male prosti.tutes nor homose.xual offenders. . ." Notice the NIV in I Cor. 6:9 does NOT condemn "homose.xuals" or the "act of homose.xuality" - but ONLY"homose.xual OFFENDERS".

Isaiah 14:14 reveals Satan's grandest
desire, "I will be like the most High."
And with a little subtil perversion - the
NIV in Isaiah 14:12 grants Satan's wish!
ISAIAH 14:12: The KJB reads, "How art
thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER , son
of the morning!. . ." The NIV PERversion
reads, "How you have fallen from heaven,
O MORNING STAR , son of the dawn. . ."
The NIV change "Lucifer" to "MORNING
STAR" .
BUT WAIT. . . I thought the Lord Jesus
Christ was the MORNING STAR ?
Doesn't Revelation 22:16 say, "I Jesus
have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and MORNING STAR ".
The NIV CLEARY AND BLATANTLY
makes LUCIFER -- The Lord Jesus Christ!
WHAT BLASPHEMY! WHAT
PERVERSION! And Christians claim the
NIV is a "better translation"!
ISAIAH 14:15: The King James Bible
condemns Lucifer to hell: "Yet thou shalt be brought down to HELL . . ." The NIV does NOT condemn Lucifer to HELL! The NIV reads, "But you are brought down to the GRAVE. . ." We all go to the GRAVE!
Why doesn't the NIV want Satan in
hell?

NIV removes the Blood of Jesus Christ

COLOSSIANS 1:14: The KJB reads, "In
whom we have redemption THROUGH
HIS BLOOD, even the forgiveness of sins:"
The NIV reads, "In whom we have
redemption, the forgiveness of sins."

TheNIV rips out the precious words
"THROUGH HIS BLOOD"! Friend redemption is ONLY "THROUGH HIS
BLOOD". Hebrews 9:22, reads, ". . .
without shedding of BLOOD is no
remission." That old song says, "What
can wash away my sins, NOTHING BUT
THE BLOOD OF JESUS!"

The NIV perverts the deity of Jesus Christ

I TIMOTHY 3:16: The clearest verse in
the Bible proclaiming that Jesus Christ
was God. The King James Bible (KJB)
reads, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS
MANIFEST IN THE FLESH. . ." The King
James says, plainly, " GOD was manifest in the flesh". The NIV reads, "HE appeared in a body". The NIV "twists""GOD" to "HE". "HE appeared in a body"? So What? Everyone has
"appeared in a body"! "He" is a
pronoun that refers to a noun or
antecedent. There is no antecedent in
the context! The statement does NOT
make sense! The NIV subtilty (see
Genesis 3:1) perverts I Timothy 3:16 into utter nonsense!
PHILIPPIANS 2:6: The KJB again, clearly
declares the deity of Jesus Christ: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD " The NIV reads, "Who, being in very nature God, DID NOT CONSIDER EQUALITY WITH GOD something to be grasped,".
The NIV again subtitly perverts the deity of Jesus Christ!

This generation has a hunger for
perversion. What was perversion just a
few years ago, is now "normal". What
was "hiding" in the closet is now
"parading" in our streets. Perversion has
found a welcome home - from the livingroom, to the White House; from our
churches - to even the word of God!
Our friend Webster, defines "pervert"
as 1. to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true... 2. to twist the meaning or sense of: misinterpret
(Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary,
1977, p.856).
A perfect definition of The New
International Version (NIV): "to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true" and "to twist the meaning or sense of". If you doubt that, before you start reading this tract - get the NIV and check it as you read this tract

The NIV reads: Ephesians 3:9 "and to make
plain to everyone the administration of this
mystery, which for ages past was kept
hidden in God, who created all things."
The NASB and the Catholic NAB are also
missing the same key piece of information.
What information is that? Lets see what the
word of God tells us:
The KJB says: Eph 3:9 "And to make all men
see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world hath
been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL
THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."
There it is people. 'By Jesus Christ' is the
information missing from the new versions.
We know from the true word of God, that
Christ made all things, and NOTHING was
made without him. (John 1:3, KJB)
Another place where the new versions
agree with each other, including the NWT,
and disagree with the King James Bible is in
Philippians 2:6:
The NWT says "who, although he was
existing in God's form, he gave no
consideration with seizure, namely, that he
should be equal to God." NIV says "Who
being in very nature god, did not consider
equality with God something to be
grasped."
Now lets look at these two carefully. They
appear to be different, but they are both
making the same statement. The NWT says
"gave no consideration...that he should be
equal to God"...and the NIV says "did not
consider equality...something to be
grasped." Both of these version say he did
NOT consider himself equal with GOD or
even able to 'grasp' or 'seize' such a
notion. But listen to the Word of God,
people, for it again leaves no doubt about
who Jesus said he was.
The King James says, Philippians 2:6 "Who,
being in the form of God, thought it not
robbery to be equal with God:"
Jesus did NOT consider it ROBBERY TO BE
EQUAL. Its not that he DID NOT CONSIDER
being equal with God...but considered it
NOT ROBBERY to BE EQUAL with God. So it
boils down to, to be, or not to be...that IS
the question! And the King James Bible has
THE ANSWER!!
So the new version reader who believes the
Jehovah's witness is deceived, by now must
be able to see that these are in agreement
with each other. A clever JW, and they are
clever, could use this agreement between
bibles as an opportunity to sway someone
to Kingdom hall. All he would have to do is
say, See? we believe the same thing. Our
bibles tell us so!
Finally dear readers, let's look at one more
verse. This verse is from the glorious book
of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Hear how
the new versions, including the NWT
butcher this one:
The NWT says in Revelation 1:11 "saying,
What you see write in a scroll and send it
to the seven congregations..."
The NIV says "which said, "write on a scroll
what you see and send it to the seven
churches."
The NASB says "saying, Write in a book
what you see, and send it to the seven
churches."
But the KJB says " Saying, I am Alpha and
Omega, the first and the last: and, What
thou seest, write in a book, and send it
unto the seven churches..."
Now, because the Jehovah's witnesses
openly and publicly deny Jesus Christ is
God, its not a big mystery why they would
wrench 'Alpha and Omega' from the
scriptures. What about the others? What
purpose would they have to hide the fact
that Jesus Christ is God? Perhaps it was
because the men behind the Greek texts
ALSO publicly denied Jesus Christ is God.
The translators of the NIV were sodomites,
heretics, and obviously staunch ecumenists.
This ecumenism has swept the world. How?
The modern perversions! So, NIV, NASB
and other modern version readers, the
next time a JW comes knocking on your
door, will you have any other choice but to
slam the door in their faces? Did you know
that ALL of the verses that are completely
OMITTED and wiped out from the NWT are
ALSO completely wiped out from the NIV?
Verses like Matt 18:11, Luke 17:36, Romans
16:24, 1John 5:7, and many many others?
You couldn't preach to them the true
doctrines of Christ and try to win them to
the truth! The bibles you and they use are
from the SAME Greek texts created by the
SAME men who say the SAME things against
our Lord, our God, Jesus Christ. I sincerely
hope you will take up a study between the
New world translation and the other
modern versions. Add it to your list of
bibles in agreement with you and against
the King James Bible. If you say the JW's are
deceived, maybe even a cult, you are
correct. But you will never be able to prove
it using the modern bibles.

The NIV reads: Ephesians 3:9 "and to make
plain to everyone the administration of this
mystery, which for ages past was kept
hidden in God, who created all things."
The NASB and the Catholic NAB are also
missing the same key piece of information.
What information is that? Lets see what the
word of God tells us:
The KJB says: Eph 3:9 "And to make all men
see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world hath
been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL
THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."
There it is people. 'By Jesus Christ' is the
information missing from the new versions.
We know from the true word of God, that
Christ made all things, and NOTHING was
made without him. (John 1:3, KJB)
Another place where the new versions
agree with each other, including the NWT,
and disagree with the King James Bible is in
Philippians 2:6:
The NWT says "who, although he was
existing in God's form, he gave no
consideration with seizure, namely, that he
should be equal to God." NIV says "Who
being in very nature god, did not consider
equality with God something to be
grasped."
Now lets look at these two carefully. They
appear to be different, but they are both
making the same statement. The NWT says
"gave no consideration...that he should be
equal to God"...and the NIV says "did not
consider equality...something to be
grasped." Both of these version say he did
NOT consider himself equal with GOD or
even able to 'grasp' or 'seize' such a
notion. But listen to the Word of God,
people, for it again leaves no doubt about
who Jesus said he was.
The King James says, Philippians 2:6 "Who,
being in the form of God, thought it not
robbery to be equal with God:"
Jesus did NOT consider it ROBBERY TO BE
EQUAL. Its not that he DID NOT CONSIDER
being equal with God...but considered it
NOT ROBBERY to BE EQUAL with God. So it
boils down to, to be, or not to be...that IS
the question! And the King James Bible has
THE ANSWER!!
So the new version reader who believes the
Jehovah's witness is deceived, by now must
be able to see that these are in agreement
with each other. A clever JW, and they are
clever, could use this agreement between
bibles as an opportunity to sway someone
to Kingdom hall. All he would have to do is
say, See? we believe the same thing. Our
bibles tell us so!
Finally dear readers, let's look at one more
verse. This verse is from the glorious book
of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Hear how
the new versions, including the NWT
butcher this one:
The NWT says in Revelation 1:11 "saying,
What you see write in a scroll and send it
to the seven congregations..."
The NIV says "which said, "write on a scroll
what you see and send it to the seven
churches."
The NASB says "saying, Write in a book
what you see, and send it to the seven
churches."
But the KJB says " Saying, I am Alpha and
Omega, the first and the last: and, What
thou seest, write in a book, and send it
unto the seven churches..."
Now, because the Jehovah's witnesses
openly and publicly deny Jesus Christ is
God, its not a big mystery why they would
wrench 'Alpha and Omega' from the
scriptures. What about the others? What
purpose would they have to hide the fact
that Jesus Christ is God? Perhaps it was
because the men behind the Greek texts
ALSO publicly denied Jesus Christ is God.
The translators of the NIV were sodomites,
heretics, and obviously staunch ecumenists.
This ecumenism has swept the world. How?
The modern perversions! So, NIV, NASB
and other modern version readers, the
next time a JW comes knocking on your
door, will you have any other choice but to
slam the door in their faces? Did you know
that ALL of the verses that are completely
OMITTED and wiped out from the NWT are
ALSO completely wiped out from the NIV?
Verses like Matt 18:11, Luke 17:36, Romans
16:24, 1John 5:7, and many many others?
You couldn't preach to them the true
doctrines of Christ and try to win them to
the truth! The bibles you and they use are
from the SAME Greek texts created by the
SAME men who say the SAME things against
our Lord, our God, Jesus Christ. I sincerely
hope you will take up a study between the
New world translation and the other
modern versions. Add it to your list of
bibles in agreement with you and against
the King James Bible. If you say the JW's are
deceived, maybe even a cult, you are
correct. But you will never be able to prove
it using the modern bibles.

The NIV and NASB
are the same
bibles as the
Jehovah Witnesses'
NWT
Good morning . Id like to ask all of the
readers who use the NIV as their final
authority if they consider the Rusellites,
better known as the Jehovah's witnesses, a
cult, or do you call them your brothers?
The reason why I'm asking this question is
because I'd like to show the NIV reader
who believes JW's are deceived just what he
is up against if he tries to preach to them
using the NIV. Id also like to show why it is
that so many people are calling these
deniers of the truth about Jesus 'brothers
in Christ.' I shall be able to show both of
these points at the same time, for I will
prove that there is very little difference
between the NIV and the Jehovah Witness'
bible. When a JW says 'the bible' he means
The New World Translation. According to
the 1984 Edition of the New World
Translation, in the forward by the New
World Bible Translation Committee, June 1,
1984, it describes all of the revisions that
they've made over the years. This
committee reveals itself to us clearly, when
it states, and I quote
"In 1969 the Committee released 'The
Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the
Greek Scriptures, which presented under
the Greek text revised by Westcott And Hort
(1984 reprint) a literal word for word
translation into English"
Now we have here the open admission that
the New World Bible Translation Committee
used these corrupt texts penned by these
two corrupt and unfaithful men. Note also
that they say 'a translation of THE Greek
Scriptures' as if there were only one set of
Greek texts. They certainly wouldn't
mention the Textus Receptus to these poor
followers of Russell and Rutherford. For if
they knew there was another word out
there that contradicted their own, they
would KNOW BELIEVE and UNDERSTAND as
it says in Isaiah 43:10 that Jesus most
assuredly DID say WHO HE WAS. John 8:58
says "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I
say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. "
The Rusellites have distorted these
beautiful and simple words of our Lord
into "Jesus said to them: Most truly I say to
you, before Abraham came into existence, I
HAVE BEEN."
People, I hope you heard that. I HAVE
BEEN? My GOD is not a HAVE BEEN! When
Moses was on the mount before God, and
asked Him what to tell the people when
they asked who God was, Did God say 'I
HAVE BEEN THAT I HAVE BEEN?' NO!!! Did
he tell Moses to tell them "I HAVE BEEN
HATH SENT THEE'? NO!! The word of God in
Exodus 3:14 says And God said unto Moses,
I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt
thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM
hath sent me unto you. And by the way, do
you think "before Abraham came into
existence" is easier to understand than
"before Abraham was"?
Anyway, if the I AM in Hebrews 8;58 is
changed, the reference to exodus 3:14 is
LOST, and anyone reading it that way will
not know that Jesus is the I AM in John 8:58
and the SAME I AM that spoke to Moses
from the burning bush.
People listen carefully and hear what the
New World Translation gives to the people
in their version of exodus 3:14! "At this God
said to Moses; "I SHALL PROVE TO BE
WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE"! And he
added "this is what you are to say to the
sons of Israel, 'I SHALL PROVE TO BE has
sent me to you.'"
Oh my!! Isaiah 8:20 of the King James bible
is the first verse that comes to mind, for it
says "To the Law and to the testimony, if
they speak not according to this word, it is
because there is no light in them." The
lights are out for sure on this one, people!
Another thing about the new world
translation I'd like to point out to you is
that it contradicts itself concerning their
Jehovah and their Jesus. In Deuteronomy
32:39 of the NWT, it says "see that now I - I
am he, And there are no gods together with
me. ..." But in John 1:1 of the NWT, it says,
"In the beginning the Word was, and the
Word was with God and the Word was a
god." Hear the contradiction? are there no
gods together with him, or is there a god
with him?
Now, NIV reader, or NASB reader, or even
Catholic New American Bible readers, this
question is for you...what if you were faced
with the situation of having to PROVE to
any Jehovah's Witness that Jesus Christ is
truly God? Lets find out. If you were to
quote the following verses to a JW, by the
time it was all over you might be asking
yourself if YOU aren't a JW and just didn't
know it!
In the NWT of Luke 2:33 we read this: "And
ITS FATHER and mother continued
wondering at the things being spoken
about IT." In the NIV of Luke 2:33, we read
the following: "The child's father and
mother marveled at what was said about
him."
And finally, let us hear the word of God,
Luke 2:33 "And JOSEPH and his mother
marveled at those things which were
spoken of him." (KJV)
Wow folks did you hear that? The NIV and
the NWT BOTH say 'father' instead of
JOSEPH. Is Joseph Jesus' father? NO!! If he
were, Jesus would not be the only
BEGOTTEN Son of God. The NWT makes it
even worse by calling HIM, Jesus, and "IT".
(IT?? Is this for the benefit of those freaks
out there who think Jesus is an extra-
terrestrial?) Speaking of Begotten, lets look
at John 1:18 for a moment.
The NWT of John 1:18 reads: "No man has
seen God at any time; the only begotten
god which is in the bosom [position] with
the father is the one that has explained
him."
Let me point out that the 'only begotten
god' is with a small 'g', which helps out the
Rusellite position that Jesus is just a 'little
god'.
Now lets look at the NASB: "No man has
seen God at any time; the only begotten
God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He
has explained [Him.]"
Look at that! The NASB has a begotten God
too. Granted, this 'god' gets a capital 'G',
but unless I forgot how to count, I see TWO
GODS here!!
The NIV changes this ever so slightly, so as
to give the illusion it is not in agreement
with these. "No one has ever seen God, but
God the One and Only, [5] [6] who is at the
Father's side, has made him known." See?
only God the one and only has seen God.
Looks like two gods in the NIV too.
Finally people, let us hear the word of God,
John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any
time; the only begotten Son, which is in the
bosom of the Father, he hath declared
him."
Amen!
Lets now compare 1Timothy 3:16
The NWT says "Indeed the sacred secret of
this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE
was made manifest in the flesh..." The NIV
says "Beyond all question, the mystery of
godliness is great: HE [6] appeared in a
body..."
HE? HE WHO?? Did you know that in the
doctrines of the New Age movement, they
say that 'Christ' really means 'Christ
Consciousness' and that this is something
any person can achieve for themselves?
They further state that several people
managed to have the "Christ
consciousness', including Buddha,
Confucius, Jesus, and Mohammed. So, for
the New Ager, the either of the two modern
versions quoted here would be suitable for
them, because neither of them make the
designation of who HE is...HE could be
ANYBODY!! The NIV even further magnifies
this new age belief by stating that this
undesignated "HE" just APPEARED in a
Body! The JW has no problem denying Jesus
is God here because there is no designation
for HE in the NWT either. Finally, The KJB
says "Without Controversy great is the
mystery of godliness...GOD was manifest in
the flesh..."
Every one of these new versions says "HE"
instead of GOD. Is there any doubt about
WHO was manifest in the flesh, when one
is reading the King James Bible? JESUS was
the flesh of God...GOD was manifest in the
flesh, not some unnamable "HE" (which the
New Agers call the "unknown and
unknowable" and certainly not Buddha or
Krishna or Confucius like the New Age
would have us believe! There are hundreds
of other verses where 'Jesus' or 'Lord' or
'Christ' or 'God' has been replaced with
'HE', including Acts 4:24, and Mark 13:6.
And, people, don't go looking in the new
versions for the Godhead, because he's
NOT THERE!!
There are three references to the word
'Godhead' in scripture. Acts 17:29, Col 2:9,
and Rom.1:20 The NWT and NIV are
IDENTICAL in their changing of the word
Godhead into DIVINE BEING. Let me point
out that its no surprise that the Rutherford
version changes this, as they are deniers of
Jesus anyway. But why does the NIV read
identically? Why? because people they used
the SAME CORRUPT TEXTS!! The same spirit
that questioned and changed God's word
clear back in the garden is in these modern
versions. The same spirit of antichrist, that
denieth the Father and the Son, dwells in
these perverted "bibles"!!
Lets move on now to Ephesians 3:9. There
is a key piece of information REMOVED
from this verse in the new versions.
The NWT of Eph 3:9 reads:" And should
make men see how the sacred secret is
administered which has from the indefinite
past been hidden in God who created all
things."
The NIV reads: Ephesians 3:9 "and to make
plain to everyone the administration of this
mystery, which for ages past was kept
hidden in God, who created all things."
The

Mr Barrister
i dont know why u see me as a catholic
for the records, i am not a catholic and i do not believe in purgatory or praying for the dead. i do not worship under any denomination whatsoever as that is division in the body of Christ - which i know JW actively participate in.

be that as it may, i recognize any part of the bible that any organization gets rights. just as in the case of tithes that JW got right but other falsehood from JW, i stay clear off.

Reference this when u talk to me about ur lies.

true2god dont mind those who sell falsehood worldwide

Barrister
only a cultist will defend lies from his master - JW. False prophecies/predictions have been one of the hallmarks of JW, Lies and boastings, claims upon claims - no organisation read the bible more than we do, no organisation practise christianity more than we, christiendom is evil, we are the most hated, dont touch blood (while their prophets use drugs made from human blood) etc. Lies have been part of you. Shame will be urs when watchtower wakes up tomorrow and reviews its stand on some issues

@Barrister
i can understand ur frustration seeing the fallacy u peddled for long being exposed in the light of the truth. It is a shame that anyone with different view from ur falsehood u lump same together with catholics. I got tired reading the nonsense u spewed above. Do u think lengthy and incoherent falsehood wins a case?
Quoting scriptures for u is a waste of time seeing that u have swallowed every bit of rubbish from watchtower and that will not allow u to see that Jesus Christ is not angel Michael even from d falsehood u peddle.
Last question for falsehood peddlers - where in ur own version of the bible is Jesus Christ called Archangel Michael?

@plapp
Jesus existed as God and exists as God. Numerous scriptures attest to that

true2god: No one is havin any pain here. No one will either buy ur Jesus christ the angel Michael idea from ur watchtower magazine, not from the Bible.

Think for ursef once and stop dependin on evry hand-out given to u by JW, whether true or false. Its a pity that if Jw tomorrow tells u dat Jesus is no longer angel michael but someone else u will equally change belief.

Jw as a sect is satanic who comes in sheep clothing but is a ravellin wolve and its unfortunate u'v gone too deep to see anythin wrong with a false xtain cult.

Hav u seen watchtower magazine criticizng the church of the latter-day saint (mormonism), the grail, eckancker? No. They all belong to the same cult but in a slightly differnt dimension.

I'm not lettin u understand the dangers in Jw, cos u hav had enof exposure on it, but for others who might come across this thread as a novice in their activity. JW is not a xtain organization but a cult hidin under the umbrella of xtainity.

this is an eye opener. Indeed u wont see them criticize those organisations

ur problem is always trying to correct someone when ur posts are full of errors and misinformed statements. u are proud to know nothing. correct urself and make sense to others

of course worshipping other creatures is putting them before God. God is pretty much pleased when worship is directed at Christ - showing that He shares d same glory with d Father. But God is jealous when u worship angels including Angel Michael.

truthislight:

if he had even quoted the Hebrews, that singular scripture that all of you take out of context for your theology, at least he would have made a contribution to the thread.

But like you can see, he did not, but started making irrelevant statement.

But then, how can you all take only one scripture out of context and build a theology with it and turn a blind eye to all the other thousands of other scriptures asking for recognition?

Then you still imagined you are doing the right thing.

what other scriptures are u talking about? how u arrived at ur conclusion is still allien to most people here knowing that those other scriptures in no where called or even suggested that Jesus our creator is angel Micheal.
what about numerous scriptures that explicitly and exclusively called Jesus Christ God? are u gona throw them away just to reduce Jesus to a mere angel?

what will become of u if ur GB decides to change its stand on who Jesus is tomorrow?

truthislight:

what value have you added to this thread with this ^^^?

Is this thread about JW?

Is this thread above what you can add a rational comment?

Go resolved your issues with JW, this thread is exclusively a bible based debate.

Peace

how can u see d value when u have been blindfolded by JW sect? did u truncate d book of Hebrews from ur bible as u did to other verses that expose ur falsehood? can u for once think outside what u have been fed in JW? Is there any where in d bible that Jesus is called Angel Michael? Is there anywhere that angels are told to worship Jesus? Is Jesus called God in ur own bible? Did Michael create d universe? do u worship angels? what does d bible say about worshipping angels?

if God Almighty is our Saviour and Jesus also our Saviour - showing their oneness; what made u leave this issue to stick to calling Jesus angel Michael because He will be coming with an arch angels voice? Is Michael d only arch angel?

In fact joining issues with u is an effort in futility.

doctrine is one tough thing to deal with. Being known to always change ones belief is one reason i cant join issues with JW. What exactly will become of these fellas when some kind of light gets brighter and the whole belief system is changed?
The lenghth some JW can go to defend manmade doctrine is quite amazing forgeting that their light may get brighter tomorrow and their belief today becomes a sin. What kind of light is this that can never be brightest? Certainly not the light from God.

This is d height of blasphemy - equating Jesus' blood to Mary's.

if Jesus was not called angel Michael, i wonder how men came to that conclusion. if we are to toll truthislife's explanation, then since Almighty God has the mandate to save His people and Jesus equally has d same mandate; i can conclude that Jesus is d Almighty God.

if Jonathan is coming to imo state with d voice of army chief of stafff, does it make Jonathan chief of army staff? if jonathan has d mandate of securing lives and property, does it make him an army officer who has d same mandate?

if Jesus is called God, who are JW to call Him Michael?

wonders yet to come