saintvc:

www.nairaland.com/25239/photo-bleed

www.crystalinks.com/weeping statues

ROFL....thats a bleeding statue eh? God did make a statue bleed for what reason? so people could worship it? Dude grow up...Cant you differentiate between work of man and god?

Zikkyy:

That's the word you are having issues with right there (bolded in red) ability does not negate free-will (free-choice).



True, but i don't see how this takes way free-will(free-choice). Choices within the limitations of the program (if any) is still choices, especially if the programmer is not the one hitting the 'enter' button

Ability does infact fully negate free-will....For someone to be free he/she must have the ability to do what he/she wants no just the fact that the choices are there....

Remember, I rather insist that free will means that man must be the "ultimate" or "originating" cause of his actions. He must be causa sui, in the traditional phrase. To be responsible for one's choices is to be the first cause of those choices, where first cause means that there is no antecedent cause of that cause. The argument, then, is that if man has free will, then man is the ultimate cause of his actions.

truthislight:

what we have now with false doctrine is a corrupt version.

The bible said that after the death of the apostle that satan will ensure apostacy took place.
2thessolonians 2:3-6.

So, the true church was there when the apostles were around.

Even as of when the apostle John the last of the apostle wrote/saw the visions of revelation, Jesus sent him warning masseges to the 7 congregation that they were leaving/deviating from the right way.

Like paul said in the book of 2thessolonians 2:9-12, that when this apostacy by satan has finally taken place that people must have a love of the truth to be saved and failure to do this means that they will be damned.

truth = John 17:17(Jesus praying to his father)

we now have pegan doctrine instead of the truth.

You are not making any sense ooo and you didn't answer my question...

truthislight:

read the bible you will understand.

The pagan bible?

joe4christ:


But be sincere to yourself, even if that's the case but atleast it made tje world a better place, imagine the human blood sacrifices that were being practiced prior to the coming of christianity in those regions of the world, imagine the harm that was done, imagine how innocent lives were been terminated as a result of false belief, take for instance the killing of twins in calabar before tthe missionary mary slensor put an end to that evil practice, imagine if the people never got delivered of such it would have still been praticed till date.

The question is does'nt it surprise you all how christianity and the Gospel of Jesus Christ penatrated every rook and cranny of the world without the use of force or weapon of war for defense and coerssion?
Does'nt this show there must be supernatural force and miraculouse signs and wonders that those people saw in the gospel of christ that convinced them enough to abandone their long worshiped gods which they inherited from their forefathers for a new God introduced by strangers?

Definately they must have seen with their eyes things that were beyond natural which was convincing enough to have brought about the switch.

How can one come to a strong man's house and defeat him of his possession except the later is indeed stronger and of a greater authority.

A food for thought for those who are reasonable enough!!!

God is no joke, Jesus is real, i wish u would believe me and save yourself from eternal damnation.

WTF? WTF? Dude did you do history at all...How did you great-grand parents encounter the whites? Common man stop embarrassing your history teacher

Deep Sight:

In fact, let me add to this by saying that disasters may even be righteous, positively just, and necessary for spiritual development.

So we have good evil?

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT....TB JOSHUA is affecting her tithes and offerings so she gotta complain

Mr_Anony:

Now God created human beings giving them free-choice knowing that by giving them free-choice, the very nature of free-choice means that man can possibly do evil. . .but then without free-choice, man cannot possibly be good either.

This is so wrong...

Lets take 'god' as a programmer

He creates the hardware (body) and clearly makes it clear that he wants the programme to be like him in all entirety no? What does he do then he makes a very good software to model exactly what he wants it to be like...him giving the software the ability to go against and destroy itself means the nature of such acts must be embedded or fully known by the programmer..you can't obviously code what you don't know or what does not exist, Now is it possible for him to create a perfectly sound system/programme that does all what he wants? yes...Indeed the programmer knows all possible 'RUN' outcomes after debugging but goes ahead to set-up a system where he knows the programme is at will to snuff him out...now thats silly

Meanwhile if we look at it objectively we find out that the 'bible' actually makes us understand that god made a mistake and he acknowledge his initial mistake and henceforth repented and even became pallies with mr Lucifer.....

Now a domino's movement is determined completely by laws of physics. Incompatibilists say that this is a threat to free will because

“Experience teaches us no less clearly than reason, that men believe themselves to be free, simply because they are conscious of their actions, and unconscious of the causes whereby those actions are determined.” B de Spinoza Ethics

Schopenhauer stated, "You can do what you will, but in any given moment of your life you can will only one definite thing and absolutely nothing other than that one thing."

Everyone believes himself a priori to be perfectly free, even in his individual actions, and thinks that at every moment he can commence another manner of life. ... But a posteriori, through experience, he finds to his astonishment that he is not free, but subjected to necessity, that in spite of all his resolutions and reflections he does not change his conduct, and that from the beginning of his life to the end of it, he must carry out the very character which he himself condemns...

tobechi74:

are u not aware of the statue of MARY and d cros of JESUS dat shed blood.? It even hapend in naijeria

Bloody Lie

Pastor AIO:

What did Jesus prophecy? Is it not that the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. What he binds on earth is bound in heaven and loosed on earth loosed in heaven?

That is a heavy Authority to give. Why is it so hard to respect such authority?

I just can't understand what the beef is...

truthislight:

^^^
You dont need force or retaliation to preach the gospel, otherwise, knife/sword will have been usefull in Jesus/peter's case in the garden.

Take note: "paul planted, Appolos watered, but God keep makingt it grow" the bible says.

and what is your argurment? Let me ask you this: Where is the first true source of modern christianity?

frosbel:

You know there is only one step from you calling people haters to actually killing them

This is exactly what the catholic church did to anyone and everyone who disagreed with their church doctrine. They first of all declared them heretics , gave them a window of opportunity to repent and if this was rejected , hunted them down and killed , tortured or incarcerated them.

lol..you are funny arent ya? Wonder what will have happened if the RCC had not repeled ottoman attacks...

ZackiGp: atheist not needed here.

lol

ijawkid:

U tink just merely using ones lips to praise God makes one a servant of God??

Remember world rulers are always obstinate fools who wuld never wanna serve GOD....

Nebuchadnezzar never left his babylon to worship the only true GOD......

Infact his kingdom was wiped out according to Gods will......

Nebuchadnezzar and all his successors never were servants of Yahweh.....get that??

Even pharoah acknowledged Yahweh was the only true God,but did he serve Him??

Never u tink that just mere utterances from the mouth of rulers acknowledging Yahwehs mightiness shows they are servants of His......

Full compliance and reliance on the laws of Yahweh and continous practice of Yahwehs requirements is what makes one a servant of Yahweh....

Nebuchadnezzar never repented...

Repent ko change ni......

so how did Yahweh forgive him?

oiseworld: parting the red sea. and the children of isreal walked on dry land.

O yeah as if that ever happened..

okeybest19: What happened to drinking palm oil as a solution to food poisoning??....abi palm oil no dey aso rock??

Na only cassava oil..

moroh:
Chai! These atheists ehn! They even wan sabi Bible better pass believers

Nicca watch your tounge..aint no atheist

Full hypocrisy and outright hating on display

ijawkid:

For where??

Did nebuchadnezzar allign his thoughts and actions to the law of moses??



Didn't he continue to worship his idols??

No come tell me another story for here o.....

Daniel 4:37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways are just. And those who walk in pride he is able to humble. Now we werent told what he did afterwards

ijawkid: There's no way satan can change or repent...no way.....

When humans like hitler and nebuchadnezzar could not repent,u expect satan the originator of wickedness to repent??

It will be easier for a blue whale to pass thru d hole of a needle than for satan to repent....

Na wa o..where your bible knowledge? Nebuchadnezzar did supposedly repent and worship god...

truthislight:

put together?

^^^ this words can mean many things to different people.

lol

truthislight:

that the questions you are asking are not necessary to determined how we got the bible.

then what are the necessary questions? How did we get Gods 'word'

lilcutie8916: I wonder what will change atheistic ideology wait let me guess an amputee growing back his hand pls u really need to be saved.

thats a true miracle no?

I dey laugh

lilcutie8916: dont u think this amputee stuff u always bring up is getting old? How about the miracle of a mad woman i have always known since i was a child been restored through prayer true story first hand experience.

but thats a true miracle no?.. thats perfectly normal..take a trip to a yaba left and see

@Frosbel is that your research? WTF?

frosbel:

Oh you did , and where exactly ?

If you can't see my request then thats ok...how did you know what i was asking for if i havent asked? Be a gentleman and a good OP and lay down your source..who knows you may re-write history no?

frosbel:

Okay you know what , show me your sources and I will show you mine.

where are your manners? i asked first..

tobechi74:

a miracle is an unusual or extraodinary event that deviates from natural occurance

like an amputee's arm bieng restored?

truthislight:

Now, if those questions are directed at you how will you answer them?

Now i know the knowledge you have been feeding from that nourished you this much.

What is your argument?

Rocktation: Hmmmn...you're beginning to sound familiar
Well, because I don't like a lot of arguements that may not lead the partakers anywhere, because their minds're clamped in stones by their own beliefs....I'd say, the answer is based on whether you're a theist or not. My belief lets me know that my 'Timeless' God made 'Everything'. Yes, everything.

So he created evil? Thats ok then...if you indeed ascribe all creation to God then he indeed he is the source of all evil..We are discussing not arguing

truthislight:

is this how to disprove what i have stated?

That the bible is God's word and not the RCC?

What is the hate here?

Who put the scripture together? Is the book of Enoch scripture?