illusion2:

Kobo,The Oath isn't the constitution. According to the constitution the VP takes up responsibility assigned to him/her by the president.

illusion2:

If the president instructs the minister of defence to pass relevant info to him through his wife. . .dat is what will happen.

illusion2:
So what if he took the oath This is why everyone laughs at your naivete,you come up with these grand illusions about nigeria. . . .we're just a few metres from being a failed state,what part of that don't you understand?? 

Kobojunkie:

When a leader swears an OATH, it is OF GREAT IMPORTANCE as it is SOLID WORD that he/she will carry out the duties of his office. Remember when Obama was sworn in? Remember it was decided he do it again? It was NOT FOR JOKES. It was because an OATH is considered a sort of VERBAL SIGNATURE and should be treated in that way.
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Kobojunkie:

I believe I have made it clear that knowing that Atiku, who held the same office before him, could boldly stand up on issues( no matter how wrong), means Jonathan could do same and even better. So far, he has done next to nothing to even show t

Kobojunkie:

This is simply stating that THINGS OUGHT TO BE DONE AS THEY SHOULD. And if they were, we would not continue to find ourselves right back here every other 4 years.
Simply put, I am against what we have as the STATUS QUO. I am AGAINST the constant meandering of rules to suit our individual perceptions of the system and our tribal allegiances. I am FOR excusing INCOMPETENCE and INEPTITUDE at all levels, no matter what tribe the culprits are from.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO excuse for Nigeria, as a whole to continue to live with the burden we call and president, neither is there one for the country to be burdened with his twin brother, Jonathan, if he, Yar adua, be forced to resign/ impeached etc next.

Beaf:

Sorry, but the oath is only taken to show that the taker accepts their new office and will carry out their duties in line with the constituition. The oath can be to Shango or Egbesu (or whatever), it is never to Nigeria.

When a leader swears an OATH, it is OF GREAT IMPORTANCE as it is SOLID WORD that he/she will carry out the duties of his office. Remember when Obama was sworn in? Remember it was decided he do it again? It was NOT FOR JOKES. It was because an OATH is considered a sort of VERBAL SIGNATURE and should be treated in that way.

SapeleGuy:

LOL - I have to say I admire your persistence. . . Being a pragmatic politician is about timing, no amount of standing up for the wrong thing at the wrong time will change that.

Kobojunkie:


Whether it is taken with a Bible in hand, of Sango's privates, the point is IT IS considered a VERBAL SIGNATURE from the person taking the oath.

Kobojunkie:

Not sure what you are getting at here

Here is what I posted

Whether it is taken with a Bible in hand, of Sango's privates, the point is IT IS considered a VERBAL SIGNATURE from the person taking the oath.

naijaking1:

If the president really has acute pericarditis, its likely he's intubated and on a breathing machine. Is that why he is incomminicado?
If he's intubated, then why are we even wasting time before swearing-in Jonathan as acting president?

There are reports that he may actually be on life support but this has been dismissed by several “friends of the President” who called less than an hour after our initial report titled “President Yar’Adua on Life Support?” was published.

Kobojunkie:

No one has asked that he move a mountain so far. All I have asked is that he at least show that he is ALIVE or something. If after 2 and a half years in office, a pragmatic politician has yet to show what he is even capable of as a leader, then it is LIKELY the case that you made a mistake labeling him pragmatic, or even a leader in the first place.

illusion2:

Brilliant ! Then why on earth do you substitute your 'aspirations & hope' for Nigeria for actual happenings in the corridors of power? Whenever anyone states WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS you say they are peddling gossip?!

illusion2:

Yes we all have these lofty desires for our country. . . .but currently what obtains is far from this . So when analysing the current scenario(like we are now),you should take into cognisance THE CURRENT set-up ,NOT your aspirations. Why else would we be discussing Goodluck resigning,if Yar'Adull passes on,if things were as they should be??
CURRENTLY Turai wields more influence than Goodluck(unfortunately).

Sure, if Yar adua kaputs, Goodluck CONSTITUTIONALLY ought to step in, however, the people calling for him to resign as well have legit reasons to as he has shown he is an INCOMPETENT VP and so I too see reason for such a call.

Beaf:

There are yet unsubstantiated rumours about that.

http://www.thetimesofnigeria.com/TON/Article.aspx?id=2307

Kobojunkie:

[size=14pt]Nigeria's hospitalised president is okay: vice president[/size]


ABUJA (AFP) – Nigerian President Umaru Yar'Adua, undergoing treatment for a heart condition in Saudi Arabia, is doing fine, his deputy said on Friday.

"There are some rumours ,  but let me assure Nigerians that the President is okay," Vice President Goodluck Jonathan told Nigerian Muslim clerics who visited him after saying special Eid prayers.

Yar'Adua is hospitalised at King Faisal hospital in Jeddah for acute pericarditis, inflammation of the membrane covering the heart.

Yar'Adua left Abuja on Monday night for Jeddah but on Wednesday rumours spread in Nigeria and Saudi Arabia that he had slipped into a coma or had died.

On Thursday and for the first time, his office publicly stated his ailment.

Jonathan said he was in constant touch with Yar'Adua by phone from his hospital bed.

"We spoke yesterday (Thursday) and even this morning," said Jonathan. "After this time I will speak with him again".

"So discountenance any form of false rumours being spread by mischievous characters in this country," he added.

Presidential spokesman Olusegun Adeniyi told reporters Thursday that Yar'Adua "was aware of the rumours and he felt very bad about it like any other normal being will feel."

Asked when the President was expected to return, Adeniyi said: "As of now, I don't know. I will give an update on the situation".

The condition of Yar'Adua, 58, had until now been cloaked in an official veil of secrecy.

He is widely believed to have a history of kidney-related disease for which he has previously received hospital treatment in both Germany and Saudi Arabia.

Yar'Adua was dogged by ill-health even during the election campaign that brought him to power in 2007.

Kobojunkie:

What you stated was nothing but GOSSIP with no backing in the constitution which defines the offices which you speak of.  
Last I checked, we are all supposed to be against the STATUS QUO and not necessarily pushing for more of it where it suits us, is this right?
Oh sure!!! I should consider further BREAKING THE LAW to fix the LAW then; this is what you are advocating we do more of, right? And the events of the last 2 decades (which happen to evidence of what happens when we tow the line you are suggesting there) should be ignored?
It is OK for you to make up stories that appeal to you but once you present them as facts, then be prepared to answer questions.
Sure, if Yar adua kaputs, Goodluck CONSTITUTIONALLY ought to step in, however, the people calling for him to resign as well have legit reasons to as he has shown he is an INCOMPETENT VP and so I too see reason for such a call.

illusion2:

You have this really complicated way of marshalling your points. Are you stating what you 'hope' will happen based on a perfect set of variables or what may likely happen based on the Nigerian situation,which you seem to have limited insight of? Constitutionally,should we be in this limbo with an invalid president? Always start your points with 'This is what I feel should happen' and whenever someone else gives a contrary opinion,don't be quick to discountenance or attribute it to 'GOSSIP'. You have every right to have your opinion,but don't assume a contrary point of view is most definitely wrong or can be attributed to gossip.

SapeleGuy:

kobojunkie - let's simplify this thing. Please tell us what the VP's constitutional responsibilities are and demonstrate with examples the incompetence that you accuse

SapeleGuy:

Okay, I will help you - Atiku has no achievement to boast about. So please don't make him out to be some hero. Leave that side. People are being polite but the VP has no power until he/she steps into the Presidents shoes.

Kobojunkie:

No one has asked that he move a mountain so far. All I have asked is that he at least show that he is ALIVE or something. If after 2 and a half years in office, a pragmatic politician has yet to show what he is even capable of as a leader, then it is LIKELY the case that you made a mistake labeling him pragmatic, or even a leader in the first place.

Kobojunkie:

I don’t believe I have used the word HOPE in at least the last 3 pages.  Neither have me alluded to their EXISTING some perfect set of variables for this to be the case.
The Constitution has Little to do with our being in LIMBO with an, in your words, invalid as president.

DON’T go around telling those who do not see things from your point HOW to present their information when YOU yourself have NOT even bothered to do the exact same.

DON’T go around trying to sell GOSSIP as fact cause you are likely to run into people out there who are intelligent enough to detect the BULL from a mile away.

Telling us that Turai has more power than Jonathan does is NOT a Contrary POINT but simply you trying to tell us that what should not even be considered. Do you think if I told someone out here that Mrs Obama has more power and can decide for Biden what to or not do, that I would not be considered an slowpoke for even thinking such thoughts?

Kobojunkie:

Seun, Can I ask where you live?? Have you ever been outside of your place before
So, Seunagain, I ask, Where in the world Are youKobobJunkie

Kobojunkie:

Telling us that Turai has more power than Jonathan does is NOT a Contrary POINT but simply you trying to tell us that what should not even be considered. Do you think if I told someone out here that Mrs Obama has more power and can decide for Biden what to or not do, that I would not be considered an slowpoke for even thinking such thoughts?

Beaf:

Really? That Turai is more powerful is incredibly easy to prove. How many times has power ever been delegated to Goodluck?

Beaf:

Ok. I'll start with the first example of Turai's power (I'll expect that you can come up with at least one counter against Jonathan Goodluck).
Here goes; when Yar Adua was indiposed, who was sent to represent Nigeria and sign documents / treaties on Nigeria's behalf at The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)? Answer: Turai, Jonathan was home twiddling his thumbs because he was not delegated.
Over to you. . .

SapeleGuy:

Kobojunkie- Let me help you again- I believe Turai went to that conference (her subject matter expertise must have been immense, no doubt you will brush this aside as yet another unsubstantiated rumour).

Kobojunkie:

How many Times has Goodluck ever stood up to mandate that the president, in accordance with the constitution, delegate power to him, when he is off to one of his MANY Vacations?

Kobojunkie:

Who SENT Turai? The President? What has that to do with Turai having Power OVER Jonathan? Did Turai decide OF HER OWN to go IN JONATHAN's stead? Did the president tell Jonathan to go, only for Turai for decide he sit home twiddling his thumbs while she goes out there instead? Come on!!

Constitutionally, Goodluck has more power than any ceremonial housewife first lady can boast of. That her husband decided to send her instead of his vice-president DOES NOT mean she has power OVER him or MORE power than he does.

Beaf:

Laughable. Do you expect him to write you and I a letter stating how he has asked Yar Adua for his rights or do you feel he should be carrying placards around Aso Rock? Fail.

So he is indisposed and sends his wife (whom no one voted for and who took no OATH ) instead of his VP and that doesn't tell you she is more powerful than the VP?

illusion2:

Kobo,I appreciate some of your views,but Im sure you realise (incase you don't here it is)you come across as someone who assumes being based in the US somehow confers some new insights on issues ,one of your initial posts refers

illusion2:

The fact is I have engaged you in similar ultimately futile arguments in the past,you come up with a point of view based on utopic aspirations/expectations of Nigeria,and back it up with nothing but innuendos. When pressed further,you bring up unrelated arguments & questions.

illusion2:

Now tell me what is your point exactly? I hope you're not trying to call me one? No,I would rather ask you for proof.In the US,the VP in also President of the Senate,in addition there IS A SYSTEM IN THE US,NIGERIA HAS NO SYSTEM,don't you get it ?

Beaf:

Laughable. Do you expect him to write you and I a letter stating how he has asked Yar Adua for his rights or do you feel he should be carrying placards around Aso Rock? Fail.

Beaf:

So he is indisposed and sends his wife (whom no one voted for and who took no OATH ) instead of his VP and that doesn't tell you she is more powerful than the VP? Fail.