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Re: Th by HornyTave: 11:29pm On Aug 29, 2021 |
macof: lol. u said Ologbostere has no,basis in edoid language which I told u ologbo means leopard or Bush cat, you're changing ur mouth. also mercy in Edo is Itohan... lool. abeg stick to a ewedu soup... come and teach me my language na.... you guys also said Oghene means Ooni. Lol ene means 4 in, edoid language, One - Opka Two - Eva. Three - Eha Four - ene abeg good night |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 11:32pm On Aug 29, 2021 |
macof: lol. u said Ologbostere has no,basis in edoid language which I told u ologbo means leopard or Bush cat, you're changing ur mouth. also mercy in Edo is Itohan... lool. abeg stick to a ewedu soup... come and teach me my language na.... you guys also said Oghene means Ooni. Lol So How come Ogiso Ere introduced Ada and Eben and not your Oranmiyan ene means 4 in, edoid language, One - Opka Two - Eva. Three - Eha Four - ene abeg good night |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 11:36pm On Aug 29, 2021 |
Olu317: Lool, He was an emissary that became king. lool... wahala.. U said He didnt come with Entourage but the people of Usen followed him. sorry o. before we continue, mention the places you've lived in because your lies eh, only Gbegiri can motivate them.... lets start with your source in the Palace cause I dont know if the palace keep historians. Lol same Oba that said Oranmiyan was the FIRST OBA and 37TH OGISO.... MY GUY GO AND CONTINUE WITH EWEDU AND AMALA. |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 11:38pm On Aug 29, 2021 |
Olu317: lool. I,didn't see this earlier... see how you wrote your source... Lol. Ughotton... Lol.. where I go see Motor when deh go,there, I never still tell me. lets list where we have lived, then we would ascertain if we could discuss or not cause eh, it seems u are worst than I,thought |
Re: Th by macof(m): 11:40pm On Aug 29, 2021 |
HornyTave: Lol.. This one is not bright. So you didn't comprehend a single thing 1 Like |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 11:41pm On Aug 29, 2021 |
Olu317: lol... Ughotton is 42 kil from ,benin and U put it in the area after Coco Mosogar, Jesse etc. just after Sapele which is mlre than 50 miles... Lol bia which local government is Ughotton and whos the king |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 11:48pm On Aug 29, 2021 |
macof: hahaha you and your lies... Ada and Eben doesn't mean justice or whatever you implied. Eben is a ceremonial symbol of authority which are given to High chiefs and Kings. Ada is a symbol of the Oba presence, his authority to take life and his connection to His ancestors. only the high ranking Uzama are permitted to have Ada in their palace. Lol... justice keh. mercy means Itohan in benin and not thr gibberish u wrote. |
Re: Th by macof(m): 12:08am On Aug 30, 2021 |
HornyTave: I have given you the etymology. It is left for you to present a superior argument by showing how it is wrong not merely saying it is wrong ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 12:29am On Aug 30, 2021 |
macof: Ashan doh dotwa Ohamen gbêh ehì eh. shan dóh lêh Ebahe... |
Re: Th by UGBE634: 8:33am On Aug 30, 2021 |
macof:My brother yoruba have different dialects, my brother Edo and Edoids groups are not part of them. Those names cannot be interpreted by yorubas of any clan. They knew better not to push it 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Th by UGBE634: 8:41am On Aug 30, 2021 |
Olu317:It is Ogun not Ogu, you are talking of Oba Ewuare, Ogun has been domesticated and it has its meaning in Edo just like in yoruba now. Pure Edo cancome up with such names . The late Captain Hosa Okunbor daughters name is Ivie Okun. Okun means sea in Benin alongside with the word amen which means water, Captain Hosa is pure Edo, he is from Uhuwonde,he is from one of those villages close to Ugo. One don't necessarily have to be from Ife to bear these names. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Th by Olu317(m): 10:55am On Aug 30, 2021 |
UGBE634:So, you know Ogun/Ogu is a Yoruba name and domesticated in Edo ? This is self contradictory. Even if it is a shared lexicon, does is it not occur to you that, the name is originally a Yoruba word before it slips through to Edo land. Anyway, okun is homonym which, has variances to the meaning ,such as wealth, full , salutation sea ,thread, spider's web web etc . IleIfe is the base of all Yoruba people so do not be myiopic and quick to assert such as you did. Infact, the source of Yoruba language is from Ifaodu which has it practitioners head quarter at ileife. This is Yoruba's heritage. 2 Likes |
Re: Th by UGBE634: 11:27am On Aug 30, 2021 |
Olu317:You guys are the one making it a big deal, cultures and civilizations borrow, there are many French words in English today, some of them have slightly different meaning From the Original meaning From the owners. My point is We have a big border with yoruba and we might have borrowed it as a group, Hornytave who have been to Owo said they have Igue festival, the same with groups on the Eastern flank, like Agbor and other Ika groups. These groups have been so corrupt that their Igbo denial is much there, the same thing with anyone who has been to Owo. Even for so small a group as Bini in comparison to the two major groups in the south. Ika, Owo, itsekiri, these groups are so bastardized culturally by Bini and of course heavy bastardization of linguistics, this is why Hornytave would think Itsekiri and Owo are Edo and not Ijesha or any any other yoruboid group far from her. He could have bore those names while being a pure Bini Benin. If you still can't understand then your IQ is low and I can't help you 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 1:15pm On Aug 30, 2021 |
UGBE634: Their sole fabrication to make Edo sub Yoruba group is their undoing. Edo also worship Iron, Olokun etc. these are facts nobody can dispute but when you haven't left your village and meddle in history, u then become a liar. Languages overtime are influenced by trade, religion, marriage etc, no big deal. it'll surprise u to know Ewuare the first was named Ogun before he became king. Lol |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 1:22pm On Aug 30, 2021 |
Olu317 Ogun is a deity, served by people in Benin. same way people also serve Anê, an anioma gods and also serve Igbe an Urhobo goddess. it's like saying because I'm a Christian, I must be from Israel or as a Muslim I must be an Arab. Or you want to tell me how a nupe form of divination became the centre of Yoruba divination?. Lol... same way Yoruba believe rivers are female spirit, my people believe they Re in duality but they are all known as Okun and worshipers known as Olokun 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Th by UGBE634: 2:40pm On Aug 30, 2021 |
HornyTave:That is what I am explaining to him, that it has been fully assimilated and domesticated as an Edo God even before Ewuare was born. An Edo man cannot bear Ogun and Okun today and be seen as strange "oriovbe" a foreigner, it is just as Edo to us as it is yoruba to them. But when you come up with Oluwatobi Osaze, an Edo man will ask you "Edo'n'ekhue we khin? " Are you an Hybrid?. It is now left for the person to say oh "OvbiUsen khin" the responder will now be like ok koyor. Suggesting he is yoruba will just be as suggesting Captain Hosa's daughter is yoruba because of the "Okun" 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 4:43pm On Aug 30, 2021 |
UGBE634: I met a guy recently who bears Osayemi, I asked if he was from Benin, he explained his ancestors were from Benin but war made them seek refuge in Ogun state. I know of Benin people who bears Ifayemi, mostly sons of Ifa priest and Herbalist, lol so you'll now Tell me Ifayemi is not a Bini man because he bears Ifayemi, na boys go punch ur mouth. There is OPC in the community I live, funny enough it was an ibo man who has lived in Ifon that started it, tomorrow you'll say because So side of Benin has OPC, its from Yoruba. be like your head deh leak oil. |
Re: Th by UGBE634: 6:54pm On Aug 30, 2021 |
HornyTave:This one is even slightly different. Ogun is just like Osaze to us now, If he came up with anything close to those maybe I would be convinced a little bit. You still don't get it, anybody from any part of Bini can bear these ones and not those. The name "Ogun" "Okun" is just like Osaze Osagie to us so it cannot push or pass as a yoruba name. "Yemi" will still sound like Swahili to the normal Edo man. "Ogun" and "Okun" will not 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Th by 9jakool: 4:42pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
HornyTave: Ethnic identity is very much a political identity as it is cultural. So, yes Itsekiris are not Yorubas, because they have their own political institution that they want to maintain and I think that needs to be respected. However, denying the cultural link between the two group makes you a liar. A little bit of comparative linguistics lesson: Just because Itsekiri may use a different word from Yoruba, doesn't mean that word is not a shared cognate. Itsekiris actually say "ere owuro" for good morning. Yoruba would say "e ku owuro (aaro)". An average Yoruba would understand that Itsekiri's "ere owuro" is the same as "ire owuro" in Yoruba. So "ere" and "ire" are both shared cognates, even though the way they are used differs slightly in both tongues. You said you have lived with the Itsekiris, but do you understand their tongue? I'm guessing no. While you may have lived with them for all this time, I can tell it's time wasted since you have gained little to no cultural experience. So, simply jumping up and down, bragging that you are knowledgeable on Itsekiri culture because you lived in this town or the next is practically useless, since you chose to remain ignorant during your stay. Also, the reason why you see Ora and Okpameri people bearing Yoruba names is not related to why the Itsekiris bear Yoruba names. Ora/Okaperhi people live in close proximity to Yoruba people and thus the strong influence. Itsekiris bear names that are identical or near identical to Yoruba because well that's their language. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 5:04pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
9jakool: Lol... I've told you guys times without number, languages has sub dialect and general dialect. for example, during my time in Ado Ekiti, I heard another way they say good morning which I cant even type... its either Ikere tongue or the place where the Institute of health is situated. also Benin only has more than 10 ways kf saying good morning Ishan has more than 5 ways of saying good morning. Okpameri has individual languages. the way makeke will say good morning differs from uneme. Itshekiri and Yoruba might share common tongue on some words etc, that doesnt change the fact their ancestors were from Bini. Also languages do intermix, example, the Ishan and Anioma has many languages in common, also the Benin and Ishan has too many things in common, I might say I'm from Bini and I'm correct. During my time in Itshekiri, many people I know has families in Ondo, mostly riverine town bordering delta... That is culture for you, its not fixed. what is fixed in culture are mostly State Idols, Rituals and coronation ceremony. The Bini also founded a portion of Lagos, which the Oba of lagos presides but there are no Bini speaking group in Lagos. you get my point?? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 5:06pm On Aug 31, 2021 |
9jakool: I know many Itshekiri names that are not akin to Yoruba, same way there are Itshekiri names akin to Ibo... Even the Idols Itshekiri worship is alien to the Yoruba, |
Re: Th by macof(m): 1:02am On Sep 01, 2021 |
HornyTave: This is the second time you are saying this falsehood @bold. What you are calling "more than 10 ways of saying good morning" are family salutations not dialectical variations or language mix.. Its the same language but each greeting has a different purpose. You have Laiso, Lauhe, Lamogun, Lamehi etc I've not had you guys time yet I would still use these family salutations to prove Benin traditions recognise several families as well as the Royal family to be of foreign origin (in this case Yoruba) 4 Likes |
Re: Th by 9jakool: 3:12am On Sep 01, 2021 |
HornyTave: Even If you give me a cryptic Itsekiri name that is not akin to Yoruba on the surface level, I will be able to break it down its roots and an average Yoruba person will still understand. What are the Itsekiri names that are akin to Igbo? ![]() So what if Itsekiris have some deities that are unique? There are unique orishas in Yoruba that are specific to certain towns or regions. Ayelala is endemic to Ilaje just as Otin is endemic to Northern Osun. And of course you have general ones like Ogun which is found in the pantheon of both Yorubas and Itsekiris. 2 Likes |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 6:40am On Sep 01, 2021 |
9jakool: so you want to say Ayelala is a Yoruba gods?? Lol very soon you'll claim Osun and Igbe. You'll also claim Ane and Ikhimi. also dint forget to claim Agba There are Itshekiri names that start with 'Ike' in all your argument you havent presented historical fact how the Itshekiri people got to Delta state, you haven't presented names of their Ancestral Olu who began their dynasty. You havent presensted how their royal emblem and regalia came into use. you also haven't laid anything historical. all youve been saying is 1. Name 2. similarity in language Which ive responded to 1. Names are culture and culture evolves through migration and assimilation. The Ora of Edo bear Tobi, Ajayi, Aina etc, and they are not Yoruba. 2. Language are also like names, though the Itshekiri is no way similar except few words both Tribes shared. I've lived in Yoruba lands for more than 6yrs, my understanding of Yoruba language could be termed moderate. When an Itshekiri man speaks, I can pick one or two words, nothing special. the way you guys say this shit, seems like both language are the same but is like Urhobo and Isoko. give me historical details how the Itshekiri left Ife or any yoruba towns and lets die this matter, |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 6:45am On Sep 01, 2021 |
macof: Thank God you have listed them yourself. They all mean good morning... Ive told you time and time again, every language has different dialect of saying a particular thing. for instance Ogun means many things in yoruba, like Stab, Charm, gods etc, many things that don't relate, same way Igba also means many things in Ibo... you havent told me how Oranmiyan captured Igodo all alone ( he wasn't with an entourage ) without a fight and renames it Ile'ibinu. pls do, I want to learn. |
Re: Th by macof(m): 10:22am On Sep 01, 2021 |
HornyTave: SMH. Did you read the post at all ![]() |
Re: Th by Palazee(m): 3:29pm On Sep 01, 2021 |
HornyTave:says by who 1 Like |
Re: Th by Efewestern: 4:56pm On Sep 01, 2021 |
HornyTave: Ike isn't found in Itsekiri's lexicon unless you mean "Iken" which has different meanings in both Itsekiri and Igbo. Next time if you want to keep a valid point, make use of Okoro, a word that means man in both languages. E.g Okorodudu (Okoro-odudu when translated in Itsekiri means black man). In general igbo language we have names like Okoromadu which means man/banchelor. By the way Okoro might be a lost Edoid word that was borrowed by these groups due to the heavy Bini influence in the past. Okoro is also used in Eastern yoruba land like Ondo. Thou it has fallen into disuse. in all your argument you havent presented historical fact how the Itshekiri people got to Delta state, you haven't presented names of their Ancestral Olu who began their dynasty. You havent presensted how their royal emblem and regalia came into use. you also haven't laid anything historical. You and 9jakool have failed to educate we the readers, you guys were just beating around the bush. I expected TAO12 to counter you with a far superior arguments by telling us how each and every Itsekiri communities migrated into their present locations but she is no where to be found. When an Itshekiri man speaks, I can pick one or two words, nothing special. You lie, you won't understand Nada ![]() give me historical details how the Itshekiri left Ife or any yoruba towns and lets die this matter, Now this is how to debate, left for those guys to tell you how those guys got to their present location In Delta state and how the Bini relationship came into existence. |
Re: Th by HornyTave: 10:24pm On Sep 01, 2021 |
Efewestern: Like I said I could pick few words. Met an Itshekiri man recently who thought I was Itshekiri, when he spoke I could pick few words. I didn't tell you I understand Itshekiri. also I'm still waiting for historical fact on Itshekiri migration. History has it Ginuwa left Benin and formed the Ogiame Dynasty. My question to you is ' Is the History of Ginuwa true or false'? |
Re: Th by EKABA691: 3:16am On Sep 02, 2021 |
macof:Ologbo is cognate for Yeai group of languages for cat, not everything was borrowed igbos have it too, cat is one of the oldest animal on earth, if Edo don't have it then she is probably not a member of the Yeai group of languages This is the way, it is pronounced in Benin Ologbose with the E facing down like in Ene and with a stretch, Just like in Iyase, that "Se" there is just to emphasize the other word properly "Iyase-na me try pass" then in the case of "Ologbose" it is stressing the size of the "Ologbo" meaning cat in Essense with Ologbose it is big cat or leopard as he has said Ultimately meaning an Henchman, a backbone someone who can be seen as not so obvious but all the same so powerful 8 Likes 6 Shares
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Re: Th by TAO11(f): 3:53am On Sep 02, 2021 |
tollyboy5:Awwwn! Show us the MiDdLe-EasT sCuLpTuRe of OdUdUwA so we can sHaMe that guy. /s Haha Abi the sculpture (and its name) is with grandpa and grandpa is not at home? LMAO. ![]() Buhaha. ![]() 2 Likes
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Re: Th by TAO11(f): 4:42am On Sep 02, 2021 |
HornyTave:Do you read comments while your eyes are closed? (1) I presented you two testimonies of Itsekiri elders in the 1800s. Let’s hope you’ll read them this time: (I) “Let me now refer briefly to the tribes that people this part of the world. First we come to the Jakris, who are connected in race and language with the Yoruba people, extending from the Mahin country on the west to the Forcados on the East, and inland about as far as Sapele.” ~ H. L. Gallwey, “Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa,” The Geographical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Feb., 1893), p.127. (II) “In this respect, however, the officials agree with the tradition of the people at Warri, the Jekries, who claim to come from the west.” ~ H. Ling Roth, “Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts and Horrors,” (1903), pp.8-9. (2) In case reading is too much work for you, I also embedded a video. In fact, I pointed timestamps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKLTie7LhKQ (I) At timestamp 7:01 to 7:13 of the video, Chief Robinson Ariyo (the Egogo of Warri Kingdom) said: “… Yoruba, a place where we are from … our roots.” (II) At timestamp 8:22 to 8:27 of the video, Chief Isaac Jemide (the Oshodin of Warri Kingdom) said: “… we are a Yoruba people as such.” And despite these testimonies from the Itsekiris, you still uselessly asked if they said they’re from Yoruba. Come-on na make yourself useful for yourself na. [s]Let us not go too far, Reno Omokri is an Itshekiri Prince, a descendant of Atuwatste the First, go and watch His debate on Ibo slave trade.. Lol[/s]Well, I have already gone far to the Itsekiri chiefs in 2021. I have also gone far to the Itsekiri speokperson in the 1800s. And they all say the same thing, which is that they are from Yoruba. I can’t make life simpler than I already did for you. [s]I'm very sure you dont know any Itshekiri sef.This is 2021. You really think you need a U.S. visa to know that the U. S. president is: Biden, a Democrat, a Washington D.C. resident, an English speaker, etc. ?????? In any case, we’ve heard from the Egogo of Warri and from the Oshodin of Warri. We’ve also read from the eyewitness account of the Europeans since the 1800s. All these testimonies say one and the same thing — that the Itsekiris are from Yoruba land. Peace! ![]() Cc: YungMillionaire, theTranslator, musiwa10, Poiu11, FairlyUSEDpussy, Efewestern, geosegun, googi, nisai, rhektor 10 Likes 3 Shares |
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