macof:

Lol obviously it flew over your head.
Not to worry, i wasn't expecting you to be capable of comprehending that. But I was giving the etymology of Ẹbẹn and Ada for those who have sense to know it


break down the word "ológbò" let me see..
And what does -ṣerè mean that makes adding it to "Ológbò" refer to Leopard
You see how you are the one making fabrications

Also "Ológbò" is not the word found in "Ologbóṣerè"

If you use the word "Ada" for sword in Bini then it is also a Yoruba input because that is Yoruba for cutlass.
And while cutlass is technically also a sword.. We don't use it to refer to any kind sword, Yoruba were master blacksmiths and give names to different kinds of swords. "ada" is particularly what we call cutlass, it is not for war and as such rarely used as a weapon, we use the Idà and Ogbó. the Ada of a king we are talking about is neither Idà nor Ogbó.. It is a cutlass not a long sword or a double-edge sword

lol. u said Ologbostere has no,basis in edoid language which I told u ologbo means leopard or Bush cat, you're changing ur mouth. also mercy in Edo is Itohan... lool.

abeg stick to a ewedu soup...

come and teach me my language na....
you guys also said Oghene means Ooni. Lol

ene means 4 in, edoid language,

One - Opka
Two - Eva.
Three - Eha
Four - ene

abeg good night

macof:

Lol obviously it flew over your head.
Not to worry, i wasn't expecting you to be capable of comprehending that. But I was giving the etymology of Ẹbẹn and Ada for those who have sense to know it


break down the word "ológbò" let me see..
And what does -ṣerè mean that makes adding it to "Ológbò" refer to Leopard
You see how you are the one making fabrications

Also "Ológbò" is not the word found in "Ologbóṣerè"

If you use the word "Ada" for sword in Bini then it is also a Yoruba input because that is Yoruba for cutlass.
And while cutlass is technically also a sword.. We don't use it to refer to any kind sword, Yoruba were master blacksmiths and give names to different kinds of swords. "ada" is particularly what we call cutlass, it is not for war and as such rarely used as a weapon, we use the Idà and Ogbó. the Ada of a king we are talking about is neither Idà nor Ogbó.. It is a cutlass not a long sword or a double-edge sword

lol. u said Ologbostere has no,basis in edoid language which I told u ologbo means leopard or Bush cat, you're changing ur mouth. also mercy in Edo is Itohan... lool.

abeg stick to a ewedu soup...

come and teach me my language na....
you guys also said Oghene means Ooni. Lol

So How come Ogiso Ere introduced Ada and Eben and not your Oranmiyan

ene means 4 in, edoid language,

One - Opka
Two - Eva.
Three - Eha
Four - ene

abeg good night

Olu317:
Lol In as much you do not know, Oranmiyan was an emissary to Igodo and did not arrived Igodo without entourage. Usen, Lukumi were part of the people that followed Oranmiyan to Igodomigodo.

Infact, Yoruba were the first to ride on horse in Biniland,which had Oranmiyan as lead prince on horse.This can also be verified because Oba Bini acknowledged that his patrilineal pioneer ancestor ,Oranmiyan, rode on horse when he came to Igodo kingdom. This is also acknowledged by Palace historians.

Lool, He was an emissary that became king. lool... wahala..

U said He didnt come with Entourage but the people of Usen followed him. sorry o.

before we continue, mention the places you've lived in because your lies eh, only Gbegiri can motivate them....

lets start with your source in the Palace cause I dont know if the palace keep historians.

Lol

same Oba that said Oranmiyan was the FIRST OBA and 37TH OGISO....

MY GUY GO AND CONTINUE WITH EWEDU AND AMALA.

Olu317:
After thorough research , interview wered done by Edos scholars,in which one wrote on the importance of Ughotton to Bini king , as a place where Portuguese came in contact with Bini land and Oba Bini.

Anyway, the interview were granted by the spoke persons of Ughotton in 2013, which led to the fact that, they acknowledged Ughotton founder was Ekaladerhan in 11th century C.E.

Their names as follow
-Interview with Mrs. F. Iguakun, Age-46,
Venue Ughoton, Occupation-Nursing.
Interview conducted on 15-4-2013.

For further information on religion at Ughoton, see interview with Christopher Enodunmwenben,
Age-59, occupation – farming,
venue-Ughoton. Interview
conducted on 6-4-2013

interview with Rolland Obazee,
Age-71, Occupation-Retired Soldier,
Venue-Ughoton Village.
Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Interview with Thomas Okunhon, Age-75, Occupation-farming, Venue-Ughoton Village.
Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

Why cry over the truth?

lool. I,didn't see this earlier... see how you wrote your source... Lol.

Ughotton... Lol.. where I go see Motor when deh go,there, I never still tell me.

lets list where we have lived, then we would ascertain if we could discuss or not cause eh, it seems u are worst than I,thought

HornyTave:



lol. u said Ologbostere has no,basis in edoid language which I told u ologbo means leopard or Bush cat, you're changing ur mouth. also mercy in Edo is Itohan... lool.

abeg stick to a ewedu soup...

come and teach me my language na....
you guys also said Oghene means Ooni. Lol

So How come Ogiso Ere introduced Ada and Eben and not your Oranmiyan

ene means 4 in, edoid language,

One - Opka
Two - Eva.
Three - Eha
Four - ene

abeg good night

Lol.. This one is not bright. So you didn't comprehend a single thing

Olu317:
I will give you the needed direction to clear your doubt .

Ughotton lies 42 kilometres to the southeast of Bini. This is shown in Bini-Edo map for you and the unrealistic groups posting false information,which contradict their Ekaladerhan , who was the Ogiso Owodo son.

lol... Ughotton is 42 kil from ,benin and U put it in the area after Coco Mosogar, Jesse etc. just after Sapele which is mlre than 50 miles... Lol

bia which local government is Ughotton and whos the king

macof:


Lol.. This one is not bright. So you didn't comprehend a single thing

hahaha

you and your lies...

Ada and Eben doesn't mean justice or whatever you implied.

Eben is a ceremonial symbol of authority which are given to High chiefs and Kings.
Ada is a symbol of the Oba presence, his authority to take life and his connection to His ancestors. only the high ranking Uzama are permitted to have Ada in their palace.

Lol...

justice keh.
mercy means Itohan in benin and not thr gibberish u wrote.

HornyTave:


hahaha

you and your lies...

Ada and Eben doesn't mean justice or whatever you implied.

Eben is a ceremonial symbol of authority which are given to High chiefs and Kings.
Ada is a symbol of the Oba presence, his authority to take life and his connection to His ancestors. only the high ranking Uzama are permitted to have Ada in their palace.

Lol...

justice keh.
mercy means Itohan in benin and not thr gibberish u wrote.

I have given you the etymology. It is left for you to present a superior argument by showing how it is wrong not merely saying it is wrong

macof:


I have given you the etymology. It is left for you to present a superior argument by showing how it is wrong not merely saying it is wrong

Ashan doh dotwa
Ohamen gbêh ehì eh. shan dóh lêh Ebahe...

macof:


Mumu is what makes you not realise yoruba language has many dialects and Yoruba people have different accents

My brother yoruba have different dialects, my brother Edo and Edoids groups are not part of them. Those names cannot be interpreted by yorubas of any clan. They knew better not to push it

Olu317:
What does Ogu mean in Bini's language ? . You are indeed a clown.

It is Ogun not Ogu, you are talking of Oba Ewuare, Ogun has been domesticated and it has its meaning in Edo just like in yoruba now. Pure Edo cancome up with such names . The late Captain Hosa Okunbor daughters name is Ivie Okun. Okun means sea in Benin alongside with the word amen which means water, Captain Hosa is pure Edo, he is from Uhuwonde,he is from one of those villages close to Ugo. One don't necessarily have to be from Ife to bear these names.

UGBE634:
It is Ogun not Ogu, you are talking of Oba Ewuare, Ogun has been domesticated and it has its meaning in Edo just like in yoruba now. Pure Edo cancome up with such names . The late Captain Hosa Okunbor daughters name is Ivie Okun. Okun means sea in Benin alongside with the word amen which means water, Captain Hosa is pure Edo, he is from Uhuwonde,he is from one of those villages close to Ugo. One don't necessarily have to be from Ife to bear these names.

So, you know Ogun/Ogu is a Yoruba name and domesticated in Edo ? This is self contradictory.

Even if it is a shared lexicon, does is it not occur to you that, the name is originally a Yoruba word before it slips through to Edo land.

Anyway, okun is homonym which, has variances to the meaning ,such as wealth, full , salutation sea ,thread, spider's web web etc .

IleIfe is the base of all Yoruba people so do not be myiopic and quick to assert such as you did. Infact, the source of Yoruba language is from Ifaodu which has it practitioners head quarter at ileife. This is Yoruba's heritage.

Olu317:
So, you know Ogun/Ogu is a Yoruba name and domesticated in Edo ? This is self contradictory.

You guys are the one making it a big deal, cultures and civilizations borrow, there are many French words in English today, some of them have slightly different meaning From the Original meaning From the owners. My point is We have a big border with yoruba and we might have borrowed it as a group, Hornytave who have been to Owo said they have Igue festival, the same with groups on the Eastern flank, like Agbor and other Ika groups. These groups have been so corrupt that their Igbo denial is much there, the same thing with anyone who has been to Owo. Even for so small a group as Bini in comparison to the two major groups in the south. Ika, Owo, itsekiri, these groups are so bastardized culturally by Bini and of course heavy bastardization of linguistics, this is why Hornytave would think Itsekiri and Owo are Edo and not Ijesha or any any other yoruboid group far from her. He could have bore those names while being a pure Bini Benin. If you still can't understand then your IQ is low and I can't help you

UGBE634:
You guys are the one making it a big deal, cultures and civilizations borrow, there are many French words in English today, some of them have slightly different meaning From the Original meaning From the owners. My point is We have a big border with yoruba and we might have borrowed it as a group, Hornytave who have been to Owo said they have Igue festival, the same with groups on the Eastern flank, like Agbor and other Ika groups. These groups have been so corrupt that their Igbo denial is much there, the same thing with anyone who has been to Owo. Even for so small a group as Bini in comparison to the two major groups in the south. Ika, Owo, itsekiri, these groups are so bastardized culturally by Bini and of course heavy bastardization of linguistics, this is why Hornytave would think Itsekiri and Owo are Edo and not Ijesha or any any other yoruboid group far from her. He could have bore those names while being a pure Bini Benin. If you still can't understand then your IQ is low and I can't help you

Their sole fabrication to make Edo sub Yoruba group is their undoing. Edo also worship Iron, Olokun etc. these are facts nobody can dispute but when you haven't left your village and meddle in history, u then become a liar.

Languages overtime are influenced by trade, religion, marriage etc, no big deal.

it'll surprise u to know Ewuare the first was named Ogun before he became king.

Lol

Olu317

Ogun is a deity, served by people in Benin. same way people also serve Anê, an anioma gods and also serve Igbe an Urhobo goddess.
it's like saying because I'm a Christian, I must be from Israel or as a Muslim I must be an Arab.

Or you want to tell me how a nupe form of divination became the centre of Yoruba divination?.


Lol...

same way Yoruba believe rivers are female spirit, my people believe they Re in duality but they are all known as Okun and worshipers known as Olokun

HornyTave:
Olu317

Ogun is a deity, served by people in Benin. same way people also serve Anê, an anioma gods and also serve Igbe an Urhobo goddess.
it's like saying because I'm a Christian, I must be from Israel or as a Muslim I must be an Arab.

Or you want to tell me how a nupe form of divination became the centre of Yoruba divination?.


Lol...

same way Yoruba believe rivers are female spirit, my people believe they Re in duality but they are all known as Okun and worshipers known as Olokun

That is what I am explaining to him, that it has been fully assimilated and domesticated as an Edo God even before Ewuare was born. An Edo man cannot bear Ogun and Okun today and be seen as strange "oriovbe" a foreigner, it is just as Edo to us as it is yoruba to them. But when you come up with Oluwatobi Osaze, an Edo man will ask you "Edo'n'ekhue we khin? " Are you an Hybrid?. It is now left for the person to say oh "OvbiUsen khin" the responder will now be like ok koyor. Suggesting he is yoruba will just be as suggesting Captain Hosa's daughter is yoruba because of the "Okun"

UGBE634:
That is what I am explaining to him, that it has been fully assimilated and domesticated as an Edo God even before Ewuare was born. An Edo man cannot bear Ogun and Okun today and be seen as strange "oriovbe" a foreigner, it is just as Edo to us as it is yoruba to them. But when you come up with Oluwatobi Osaze, an Edo man will ask you "Edo'n'ekhue we khin? " Are you an Hybrid?. It is now left for the person to say oh "OvbiUsen khin" the responder will now be like ok koyor. Suggesting he is yoruba will just be as suggesting Captain Hosa's daughter is yoruba because of the "Okun"

I met a guy recently who bears Osayemi, I asked if he was from Benin, he explained his ancestors were from Benin but war made them seek refuge in Ogun state.

I know of Benin people who bears Ifayemi, mostly sons of Ifa priest and Herbalist, lol

so you'll now Tell me Ifayemi is not a Bini man because he bears Ifayemi, na boys go punch ur mouth.

There is OPC in the community I live, funny enough it was an ibo man who has lived in Ifon that started it,

tomorrow you'll say because So side of Benin has OPC, its from Yoruba.

be like your head deh leak oil.

HornyTave:


I met a guy recently who bears Osayemi, I asked if he was from Benin, he explained his ancestors were from Benin but war made them seek refuge in Ogun state.

I know of Benin people who bears Ifayemi, mostly sons of Ifa priest and Herbalist, lol

so you'll now Tell me Ifayemi is not a Bini man because he bears Ifayemi, na boys go punch ur mouth.

There is OPC in the community I live, funny enough it was an ibo man who has lived in Ifon that started it,

tomorrow you'll say because So side of Benin has OPC, its from Yoruba.

be like your head deh leak oil.

This one is even slightly different. Ogun is just like Osaze to us now, If he came up with anything close to those maybe I would be convinced a little bit. You still don't get it, anybody from any part of Bini can bear these ones and not those. The name "Ogun" "Okun" is just like Osaze Osagie to us so it cannot push or pass as a yoruba name. "Yemi" will still sound like Swahili to the normal Edo man. "Ogun" and "Okun" will not

HornyTave:


I don't entertain people who hasn't left their village talking rubbish. Lol...

very soon you'll say they speak Yoruba or have yoruba names, where as, the Itshekiri language is not similar to the Yoruba.

I've lived in Ado Ekiti, Akure, Isua in Ondo state, Ayetoro in Kogi state and presently living in Lagos.
all my stay at Ubgangue and Aronton ( excravos ), both Itshekiri towns, their language is not similar like your yoruba language, lol..

stay in,your Bush and talk shit.

come back and talk when youve left your village.... if you see any itshekiri, ask them why they use the Ada and Eben, also ask them why the former Olu didnt last..,, lol...

go and eat ewedu and leave history.

last question,
Why didnt Ooni of Ife didnt intervene when this present Olu had issues?
Lol...


Same reason why Ora and Okpameri bear Yoruba name is same reason Itshekiri has Yoruba name.

Yoruba will say Ekaro
Itshekiri will say ' Da'bah'

I just deh waste time educating this one wen no know outside Osun State... wallow in,your ignorance

Ethnic identity is very much a political identity as it is cultural. So, yes Itsekiris are not Yorubas, because they have their own political institution that they want to maintain and I think that needs to be respected. However, denying the cultural link between the two group makes you a liar.

A little bit of comparative linguistics lesson: Just because Itsekiri may use a different word from Yoruba, doesn't mean that word is not a shared cognate.

Itsekiris actually say "ere owuro" for good morning. Yoruba would say "e ku owuro (aaro)". An average Yoruba would understand that Itsekiri's "ere owuro" is the same as "ire owuro" in Yoruba. So "ere" and "ire" are both shared cognates, even though the way they are used differs slightly in both tongues.

You said you have lived with the Itsekiris, but do you understand their tongue?
I'm guessing no. While you may have lived with them for all this time, I can tell it's time wasted since you have gained little to no cultural experience. So, simply jumping up and down, bragging that you are knowledgeable on Itsekiri culture because you lived in this town or the next is practically useless, since you chose to remain ignorant during your stay.

Also, the reason why you see Ora and Okpameri people bearing Yoruba names is not related to why the Itsekiris bear Yoruba names. Ora/Okaperhi people live in close proximity to Yoruba people and thus the strong influence. Itsekiris bear names that are identical or near identical to Yoruba because well that's their language.

9jakool:


Ethnic identity is very much a political identity as it is cultural. So, yes Itsekiris are not Yorubas, because they have their own political institution that they want to maintain and I think that needs to be respected. However, denying the cultural link between the two group makes you a liar.

A little bit of comparative linguistics lesson: Just because Itsekiri may use a different word from Yoruba, doesn't mean that word is not a shared cognate.

Itsekiris actually say "ere owuro" for good morning. Yoruba would say "e ku owuro (aaro)". An average Yoruba would understand that Itsekiri's "ere owuro" is the same as "ire owuro" in Yoruba. So "ere" and "ire" are both shared cognates, even though the way they are used differs slightly in both tongues.

You said you have lived with the Itsekiris, but do you understand their tongue?
I'm guessing no. While you may have lived with them for all this time, I can tell it's time wasted since you have gained little to no cultural experience. So, simply jumping up and down, bragging that you are knowledgeable on Itsekiri culture because you lived in this town or the next is practically useless, since you chose to remain ignorant during your stay.

Also, the reason why you see Ora and Okpameri people bearing Yoruba names is not related to why the Itsekiris bear Yoruba names. Ora/Okaperhi people live in close proximity to Yoruba people and thus the strong influence. Itsekiris bear names that are identical or near identical to Yoruba because well that's their language.

Lol...
I've told you guys times without number, languages has sub dialect and general dialect.
for example, during my time in Ado Ekiti, I heard another way they say good morning which I cant even type... its either Ikere tongue or the place where the Institute of health is situated.
also Benin only has more than 10 ways kf saying good morning
Ishan has more than 5 ways of saying good morning.
Okpameri has individual languages. the way makeke will say good morning differs from uneme.

Itshekiri and Yoruba might share common tongue on some words etc, that doesnt change the fact their ancestors were from Bini.
Also languages do intermix, example, the Ishan and Anioma has many languages in common, also the Benin and Ishan has too many things in common, I might say I'm from Bini and I'm correct.
During my time in Itshekiri, many people I know has families in Ondo, mostly riverine town bordering delta...

That is culture for you, its not fixed.
what is fixed in culture are mostly State Idols, Rituals and coronation ceremony.

The Bini also founded a portion of Lagos, which the Oba of lagos presides but there are no Bini speaking group in Lagos.
you get my point??

9jakool:


Ethnic identity is very much a political identity as it is cultural. So, yes Itsekiris are not Yorubas, because they have their own political institution that they want to maintain and I think that needs to be respected. However, denying the cultural link between the two group makes you a liar.

A little bit of comparative linguistics lesson: Just because Itsekiri may use a different word from Yoruba, doesn't mean that word is not a shared cognate.

Itsekiris actually say "ere owuro" for good morning. Yoruba would say "e ku owuro (aaro)". An average Yoruba would understand that Itsekiri's "ere owuro" is the same as "ire owuro" in Yoruba. So "ere" and "ire" are both shared cognates, even though the way they are used differs slightly in both tongues.

You said you have lived with the Itsekiris, but do you understand their tongue?
I'm guessing no. While you may have lived with them for all this time, I can tell it's time wasted since you have gained little to no cultural experience. So, simply jumping up and down, bragging that you are knowledgeable on Itsekiri culture because you lived in this town or the next is practically useless, since you chose to remain ignorant during your stay.

Also, the reason why you see Ora and Okpameri people bearing Yoruba names is not related to why the Itsekiris bear Yoruba names. Ora/Okaperhi people live in close proximity to Yoruba people and thus the strong influence. Itsekiris bear names that are identical or near identical to Yoruba because well that's their language.

I know many Itshekiri names that are not akin to Yoruba, same way there are Itshekiri names akin to Ibo...

Even the Idols Itshekiri worship is alien to the Yoruba,

HornyTave:


Lol...
I've told you guys times without number, languages has sub dialect and general dialect.
for example, during my time in Ado Ekiti, I heard another way they say good morning which I cant even type... its either Ikere tongue or the place where the Institute of health is situated.
also Benin only has more than 10 ways kf saying good morning
Ishan has more than 5 ways of saying good morning.
Okpameri has individual languages. the way makeke will say good morning differs from uneme.

Itshekiri and Yoruba might share common tongue on some words etc, that doesnt change the fact their ancestors were from Bini.
Also languages do intermix, example, the Ishan and Anioma has many languages in common, also the Benin and Ishan has too many things in common, I might say I'm from Bini and I'm correct.
During my time in Itshekiri, many people I know has families in Ondo, mostly riverine town bordering delta...

That is culture for you, its not fixed.
what is fixed in culture are mostly State Idols, Rituals and coronation ceremony.

The Bini also founded a portion of Lagos, which the Oba of lagos presides but there are no Bini speaking group in Lagos.
you get my point??

This is the second time you are saying this falsehood @bold.
What you are calling "more than 10 ways of saying good morning" are family salutations not dialectical variations or language mix.. Its the same language but each greeting has a different purpose.

You have Laiso, Lauhe, Lamogun, Lamehi etc

I've not had you guys time yet I would still use these family salutations to prove Benin traditions recognise several families as well as the Royal family to be of foreign origin (in this case Yoruba)

HornyTave:


I know many Itshekiri names that are not akin to Yoruba, same way there are Itshekiri names akin to Ibo...

Even the Idols Itshekiri worship is alien to the Yoruba,

Even If you give me a cryptic Itsekiri name that is not akin to Yoruba on the surface level, I will be able to break it down its roots and an average Yoruba person will still understand.

What are the Itsekiri names that are akin to Igbo? This is news to me.

So what if Itsekiris have some deities that are unique? There are unique orishas in Yoruba that are specific to certain towns or regions. Ayelala is endemic to Ilaje just as Otin is endemic to Northern Osun. And of course you have general ones like Ogun which is found in the pantheon of both Yorubas and Itsekiris.

9jakool:


Even If you give me a cryptic Itsekiri name that is not akin to Yoruba on the surface level, I will be able to break it down its roots and an average Yoruba person will still understand.

What are the Itsekiri names that are akin to Igbo? This is news to me.

So what if Itsekiris have some deities that are unique? There are unique orishas in Yoruba that are specific to certain towns or regions. Ayelala is endemic to Ilaje just as Otin is endemic to Northern Osun. And of course you have general ones like Ogun which is found in the pantheon of both Yorubas and Itsekiris.

so you want to say Ayelala is a Yoruba gods??

Lol

very soon you'll claim Osun and Igbe.
You'll also claim Ane and Ikhimi.
also dint forget to claim Agba

There are Itshekiri names that start with 'Ike'

in all your argument you havent presented historical fact how the Itshekiri people got to Delta state, you haven't presented names of their Ancestral Olu who began their dynasty. You havent presensted how their royal emblem and regalia came into use. you also haven't laid anything historical.

all youve been saying is
1. Name
2. similarity in language

Which ive responded to

1. Names are culture and culture evolves through migration and assimilation. The Ora of Edo bear Tobi, Ajayi, Aina etc, and they are not Yoruba.
2. Language are also like names, though the Itshekiri is no way similar except few words both Tribes shared.
I've lived in Yoruba lands for more than 6yrs, my understanding of Yoruba language could be termed moderate.
When an Itshekiri man speaks, I can pick one or two words, nothing special.

the way you guys say this shit, seems like both language are the same but is like Urhobo and Isoko.

give me historical details how the Itshekiri left Ife or any yoruba towns and lets die this matter,

macof:


This is the second time you are saying this falsehood @bold.
What you are calling "more than 10 ways of saying good morning" are family salutations not dialectical variations or language mix.. Its the same language but each greeting has a different purpose.

You have Laiso, Lauhe, Lamogun, Lamehi etc

I've not had you guys time yet I would still use these family salutations to prove Benin traditions recognise several families as well as the Royal family to be of foreign origin (in this case Yoruba)

Thank God you have listed them yourself. They all mean good morning...
Ive told you time and time again, every language has different dialect of saying a particular thing. for instance Ogun means many things in yoruba, like Stab, Charm, gods etc, many things that don't relate, same way Igba also means many things in Ibo...

you havent told me how Oranmiyan captured Igodo all alone ( he wasn't with an entourage ) without a fight and renames it Ile'ibinu. pls do, I want to learn.

HornyTave:


Thank God you have listed them yourself. They all mean good morning...
Ive told you time and time again, every language has different dialect of saying a particular thing. for instance Ogun means many things in yoruba, like Stab, Charm, gods etc, many things that don't relate, same way Igba also means many things in Ibo...

you havent told me how Oranmiyan captured Igodo all alone ( he wasn't with an entourage ) without a fight and renames it Ile'ibinu. pls do, I want to learn.

SMH. Did you read the post at all

HornyTave:
Lol...
Yet the title of their king is Benin.
They have laws specifying only princes born of Benin and Itshekiri mothers can be king.

The Yoruba, like the Ibos can't stand alone, they would always drag the Midwest region in their mirage country.
Lol...

says by who

HornyTave:


so you want to say Ayelala is a Yoruba gods??

Lol

very soon you'll claim Osun and Igbe.
You'll also claim Ane and Ikhimi.
also dint forget to claim Agba

There are Itshekiri names that start with 'Ike'

Ike isn't found in Itsekiri's lexicon unless you mean "Iken" which has different meanings in both Itsekiri and Igbo. Next time if you want to keep a valid point, make use of Okoro, a word that means man in both languages. E.g Okorodudu (Okoro-odudu when translated in Itsekiri means black man). In general igbo language we have names like Okoromadu which means man/banchelor. By the way Okoro might be a lost Edoid word that was borrowed by these groups due to the heavy Bini influence in the past. Okoro is also used in Eastern yoruba land like Ondo. Thou it has fallen into disuse.

in all your argument you havent presented historical fact how the Itshekiri people got to Delta state, you haven't presented names of their Ancestral Olu who began their dynasty. You havent presensted how their royal emblem and regalia came into use. you also haven't laid anything historical.

You and 9jakool have failed to educate we the readers, you guys were just beating around the bush. I expected TAO12 to counter you with a far superior arguments by telling us how each and every Itsekiri communities migrated into their present locations but she is no where to be found.

When an Itshekiri man speaks, I can pick one or two words, nothing special.

You lie, you won't understand Nada .

give me historical details how the Itshekiri left Ife or any yoruba towns and lets die this matter,

Now this is how to debate, left for those guys to tell you how those guys got to their present location In Delta state and how the Bini relationship came into existence.

Efewestern:


Ike isn't found in Itsekiri's lexicon unless you mean "Iken" which has different meanings in both Itsekiri and Igbo. Next time if you want to keep a valid point, make use of Okoro, a word that means man in both languages. E.g Okorodudu (Okoro-odudu when translated in Itsekiri means black man). In general igbo language we have names like Okoromadu which means man/banchelor. By the way Okoro might be a lost Edoid word that was borrowed by these groups due to the heavy Bini influence in the past. Okoro is also used in Eastern yoruba land like Ondo. Thou it has fallen into disuse.



You and 9jakool have failed to educate we the readers, you guys were just beating around the bush. I expected TAO12 to counter you with a far superior arguments by telling us how each and every Itsekiri communities migrated into their present locations but she is no where to be found.



You lie, you won't understand Nada .



Now this is how to debate, left for those guys to tell you how those guys got to their present location In Delta state and how the Bini relationship came into existence.

Like I said I could pick few words.

Met an Itshekiri man recently who thought I was Itshekiri, when he spoke I could pick few words.
I didn't tell you I understand Itshekiri.

also I'm still waiting for historical fact on Itshekiri migration.

History has it Ginuwa left Benin and formed the Ogiame Dynasty.

My question to you is

' Is the History of Ginuwa true or false'?

macof:

Lol obviously it flew over your head.
Not to worry, i wasn't expecting you to be capable of comprehending that. But I was giving the etymology of Ẹbẹn and Ada for those who have sense to know it


break down the word "ológbò" let me see..
And what does -ṣerè mean that makes adding it to "Ológbò" refer to Leopard
You see how you are the one making fabrications

Also "Ológbò" is not the word found in "Ologbóṣerè"

If you use the word "Ada" for sword in Bini then it is also a Yoruba input because that is Yoruba for cutlass.
And while cutlass is technically also a sword.. We don't use it to refer to any kind sword, Yoruba were master blacksmiths and give names to different kinds of swords. "ada" is particularly what we call cutlass, it is not for war and as such rarely used as a weapon, we use the Idà and Ogbó. the Ada of a king we are talking about is neither Idà nor Ogbó.. It is a cutlass not a long sword or a double-edge sword

Ologbo is cognate for Yeai group of languages for cat, not everything was borrowed igbos have it too, cat is one of the oldest animal on earth, if Edo don't have it then she is probably not a member of the Yeai group of languages

This is the way, it is pronounced in Benin Ologbose with the E facing down like in Ene and with a stretch, Just like in Iyase, that "Se" there is just to emphasize the other word properly "Iyase-na me try pass" then in the case of "Ologbose" it is stressing the size of the "Ologbo" meaning cat in Essense with Ologbose it is big cat or leopard as he has said Ultimately meaning an Henchman, a backbone someone who can be seen as not so obvious but all the same so powerful

tollyboy5:
[s]Lol according to your theories of propaganda almost everything came from Ife.
The sculpture of oduduwa has been seen in the middle east and called a different name but your historians prefer telling %60 lies and %40 truth[/s]

Awwwn!

Show us the MiDdLe-EasT sCuLpTuRe of OdUdUwA so we can sHaMe that guy. /s Haha

Abi the sculpture (and its name) is with grandpa and grandpa is not at home? LMAO.

Buhaha.

HornyTave:
[s]Lol... Funny boy...

So youve asked them where they are from and they told you they are from Yoruba? Lol[/s]

Do you read comments while your eyes are closed?

(1) I presented you two testimonies of Itsekiri elders in the 1800s. Let’s hope you’ll read them this time:

(I) “Let me now refer briefly to the tribes that people this part of the world. First we come to the Jakris, who are connected in race and language with the Yoruba people, extending from the Mahin country on the west to the Forcados on the East, and inland about as far as Sapele.” ~ H. L. Gallwey, “Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa,” The Geographical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Feb., 1893), p.127.

(II) “In this respect, however, the officials agree with the tradition of the people at Warri, the Jekries, who claim to come from the west.” ~ H. Ling Roth, “Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts and Horrors,” (1903), pp.8-9.

(2) In case reading is too much work for you, I also embedded a video. In fact, I pointed timestamps.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKLTie7LhKQ

(I) At timestamp 7:01 to 7:13 of the video, Chief Robinson Ariyo (the Egogo of Warri Kingdom) said:

“… Yoruba, a place where we are from … our roots.”


(II) At timestamp 8:22 to 8:27 of the video, Chief Isaac Jemide (the Oshodin of Warri Kingdom) said:

“… we are a Yoruba people as such.”

And despite these testimonies from the Itsekiris, you still uselessly asked if they said they’re from Yoruba.

Come-on na make yourself useful for yourself na.

[s]Let us not go too far, Reno Omokri is an Itshekiri Prince, a descendant of Atuwatste the First, go and watch His debate on Ibo slave trade.. Lol[/s]

Well, I have already gone far to the Itsekiri chiefs in 2021. I have also gone far to the Itsekiri speokperson in the 1800s. And they all say the same thing, which is that they are from Yoruba.

I can’t make life simpler than I already did for you.

[s]I'm very sure you dont know any Itshekiri sef.

Haven lived in Aronton, Ubgangue and Okere, I'm telling you, you're lying. Lol...

Lol

BTW, where have you been to in Itshekiri land, I mean where youve lived for like 1 year and above[/s]

This is 2021.

You really think you need a U.S. visa to know that the U. S. president is: Biden, a Democrat, a Washington D.C. resident, an English speaker, etc. ??????

In any case, we’ve heard from the Egogo of Warri and from the Oshodin of Warri. We’ve also read from the eyewitness account of the Europeans since the 1800s.

All these testimonies say one and the same thing — that the Itsekiris are from Yoruba land.

Peace!

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