I still don't see the reasons why a person will leave either Christianity or Islam, which are cults, only to join another cult.

Going from frying pan to fire.

A001:
I still don't see the reasons why a person will leave either Christianity or Islam, which are cults, only to join another cult.

Going from frying pan to fire.

I know you didn't quote me A001, but neither do I to be honest I must say. I do see why some might want to know about the fire so some can't try fool one with frying pans though.

Go on. Ask triplechoice to give you his reason why "a person will leave either Christianity or Islam, which are cults, only to join another cult" so you can see his reason.

I would love to see it. Though buda never "left either Christianity or Islam".

budaatum:


I know you didn't quote me A001, but neither do I to be honest I must say. I do see why some might want to know about the fire so some can't try fool one with frying pans though.

Go on. Ask triplechoice to give you his reason why "a person will leave either Christianity or Islam, which are cults, only to join another cult" so you can see his reason.

I would love to see it. Though buda never "left either Christianity or Islam".

I don't know what to make of this comment. It's not as if you were ever my favorite nairalander here.

Those I really admire here are some agnostics, atheists, and other irreligious people — people that stay in one place.

I'm not a fan of "a jack of all trades, master of none". The same person is a Muslim, Christian, Freemason, Amorc, traditionalist.

That has been my major issue with your person since the past few years. For a person who's widely read like you, I fail to see the importance of associating yourself with all religions and groups.

But I understand it's your choice.

A001:

I don't know what to make of this comment. It's not as if you were ever my favorite nairalander here.

Those I really admire here are some agnostics, atheists, and other irreligious people — people that stay in one place.

I'm not a fan of "a jack of all trades, master of none". The same person is a Muslim, Christian, Freemason, Amorc, traditionalist.

That has been my major issue with your person since the past few years. For a person who's widely read like you, I fail to see the importance of associating yourself with all religions and groups.

But I understand it's your choice.

What you've never considered is that one might be none of those things you think one is and it is your reasoning that might be faulty. I quote Bible and you think I'm a Christian. I quote Qur'an and you think I'm a Muslim. I quote Buddha and you think I'm a Buddhist. I quote Plato and you think I'm a Platoist, I quote Aristotle and you think I'm a teetotalian, I quote Morals and Dogma and you think I'm a Freemasonry, I quote Shakespeare etc etc, etc etc, and you think I am all of those things, and not once A001, have you ever questioned me to check if your reasoning was right.

Is it possible to mix lots of ingredients together and all you've cooked is one of them? Wide reading enables one to widely reason is what you perhaps don't understand. Besides, I am Omo Basorun in a Yoruba town with Muslims, Christians, Ogunists, Soponoists, Oroists, Baptists, Catholics, Sunnis, Wahabis, you name it, from a country with hundreds of tribes with thousands of languages, so why would I not be wise and associate with my neighbours regardless of their religion or group or tribe or language? Don't you think that in order to perform my role well, well read me should associate with all?

I'm not here to be admired or be any ones favorite fan, A001, and that's why I don't stay in one place, so those who can't use their own eyes don't see me. Left to me I'd only associate with people who can reason and think for themselves and are aware not to make things up but as you can see, I even associate with those who don't check if what they believe is true or not though I wish I didn't have to.

What I do know is some actually use their own eyes and look and see what they read and understand it and question when they don't too. I am not the message, you see. I mean, it's not as if you engage with me in real life seeing me for whom I appear to be. My posts are the message. And yes, there is a message or I wouldn't be choosing to waste my time with triple.

Here, let me repeat myself. It might make more sense perhaps.
https://www.nairaland.com/6781124/independence-day-been-free-religion/2#106479740

budaatum:


What you've never considered is that one might be none of those things you think one is and it is your reasoning that might be faulty. I quote Bible and you think I'm a Christian. I quote Qur'an and you think I'm a Muslim. I quote Buddha and you think I'm a Buddhist. I quote Plato and you think I'm a Platoist, I quote Aristotle and you think I'm a teetotalian, I quote Morals and Dogma and you think I'm a Freemasonry, I quote Shakespeare etc etc, etc etc, and you think I am all of those things, and not once A001, have you ever questioned me to check if your reasoning was right.

Is it possible to mix lots of ingredients together and all you've cooked is one of them? Wide reading enables one to widely reason is what you perhaps don't understand. Besides, I am Omo Basorun in a Yoruba town with Muslims, Christians, Ogunists, Soponoists, Oroists, Baptists, Catholics, Sunnis, Wahabis, you name it, from a country with hundreds of tribes with thousands of languages, so why would I not be wise and associate with my neighbours regardless of their religion or group or tribe or language? Don't you think that in order to perform my role well, well read me should associate with all?

I'm not here to be admired or be any ones favorite fan, A001, and that's why I don't stay in one place, so those who can't use their own eyes don't see me. Left to me I'd only associate with people who can reason and think for themselves and are aware not to make things up but as you can see, I even associate with those who don't check if what they believe is true or not though I wish I didn't have to.

What I do know is some actually use their own eyes and look and see what they read and understand it and question when they don't too. I am not the message, you see. I mean, it's not as if you engage with me in real life seeing me for whom I appear to be. My posts are the message. And yes, there is a message or I wouldn't be choosing to waste my time with triple.

Here, let me repeat myself. It might make more sense perhaps.
https://www.nairaland.com/6781124/independence-day-been-free-religion/2#106479740

If it's only quoting you do, it would have made sense.

A001:

If it's only quoting you do, it would have made sense.

I can't only quote for that would not make sense. For instance, if I quote "the eye is the lamp of the body", and "all the trees and all the seas" without explaining how they link, then all my reading is a waste and I a clanging gong who is unable to open eyes so they see.

I am aware that my words are not for everyone A001, and that some of them will fall by the roadside and the birds come and eat them up. And some of my words will fall on rocky ground where they'll have not much soil but when the sun rise they will be scorched, and because they have no root they will drie up and wither away. Some of my words will fall among thorns and the thorns choked them out. While some of my words will fall on good soil and yield grain–some a hundred times as much as was sown, some sixty times as much, and some thirty. Those who have eyes to see and minds to attempt to understand what they read, shall.

budaatum:


I can't only quote for that would not make sense. For instance, if I quote "the eye is the lamp of the body", and "all the trees and all the seas" without explaining how they link, then all my reading is a waste and I a clanging gong who is unable to open eyes so they see.

I am aware that my words are not for everyone A001, and that some of them will fall by the roadside and the birds come and eat them up. And some of my words will fall on rocky ground where they'll have not much soil but when the sun rise they will be scorched, and because they have no root they will drie up and wither away. Some of my words will fall among thorns and the thorns choked them out. While some of my words will fall on good soil and yield grain–some a hundred times as much as was sown, some sixty times as much, and some thirty. Those who have eyes to see and minds to attempt to understand what they read, shall.

Since the two books you attached as pictures in that post are among the sources of your words, then you must understand why enlightened people would always have issues with your posts. You can't be posting biblical or quranic verses all about that look like tales meant for kids and expect intelligent people to take you seriously.

Those two books are meant for dull people as they make the brain dull. There are thousand and one books about philosophy and science that intelligent people quote in intellectual discussion before even thinking of quoting silly books like the Bible and Qur'an, which are harmful religious texts for Africans.

The Bible and Qur'an are tools of European/Arab colonization, domination, and subjugation. They're mere political tools, and you cite all sorts of literature on Nairaland as expected from a person who is widely read, yet you deceive people by pretending not to know this fact.

Of course, you can start turning amala as usual, trying to manipulate yourself and other gullible people. Knowing your history here, I don't expect less from you.

A001:

Since the two books you attached as pictures in that post are among the sources of your words, then you must understand why enlightened people would always have issues with your posts. You can't be posting biblical or quranic verses all about that look like tales meant for kids and expect intelligent people to take you seriously.

Those two books are meant for dull people as they make the brain dull. There are thousand and one books about philosophy and science that intelligent people quote in intellectual discussion before even thinking of quoting silly books like the Bible and Qur'an, which are harmful religious texts for Africans.

The Bible and Qur'an are tools of European/Arab colonization, domination, and subjugation. Of course, you can start turning your amala as usual, trying to manipulate yourself and other gullible people.

Knowing your history here, I don't expect you to understand these simple and glaring issues I stated.

The Amala of buda

(I am titling this in you honour).

It is your opinion that those two books, which I want to believe you've read, make the brain dull and are "tools of European/Arab colonization, domination, and subjugation", A001, and you believe that despite the fact that you probably don't think I am dull, which just shows that you don't believe what you see with your own eyes.

This is not a philosophy forum, and me quoting books the majority have not read makes what I say go completely over the heads of most, though that does not stop me quoting philosophy as this thread shows. I mean, see you calling me all sorts according to what I quote instead of engaging with the words you see and read. Some even go as far as calling atheist me a cultist out of fear of what they know not.

A big book like the Bible and a complex book like the Qur'an can not possible be for dull people because one is far too big to be read by dull people and both are written in such a way that a fully functioning mind is required to read and understand them.

Take the Garden of Eden story. Some think it tells them not to eat the fruits of knowledge because they will die if they do. While some read the same story and see how Eve freed herself and Adam from slavery and both lived a very long time. Those with that understanding therefore build libraries in walking distance to every citizen in their cities so people can be freed like Eve. Same story, but more than one interpretation and understanding. One an enslaving mentality, and the other a freeing mentality. It's why American slave owners kept the Bible from their slaves, so the slaves don't read it and be inspired to revolt and free themselves. And why the Qur'an, which in the quoted verse is telling people to read widely to develop their minds, is kept in a language the majority can not read. And unfortunately, rather than see the text in the book and what it does, you see how some have used it to manipulate but disregard those who have used it to open eyes and enlighten and free.

I was recently asked what books to read as a prequel to Heidegger's Being and Time. My response is below. If one is in Nigeria where the most readily available biggest and difficult books to read are the Bible and the Quran and you haven't read them, you'd find it difficult to read Plato, and Heidegger would be like trying to read Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs before you learn to talk.

It's some people who only see their own perspective and no other that tend to have the issues that you have with buda, A001. There's lots of enlightened people who take me very seriously on here and in real life and who don't have issues with me at all. Some wonder how or why I'd quote what you call silly books together with Plato and Aristotle which are not silly, and some try to work out the conundrum it presents before them instead of sticking their heads in the sand and sticking a label on what they see not.

We are here freely communicating in the language of a book, and are opportuned to read many other books in that language too because of a book you claim was "tools of European/Arab colonization, domination, and subjugation". But I don't see colonized, dominated and subjugated A001 when I read what you write, do note, though I do see misinformed due to the lack of deep looking. For claiming "tools of European", you fail to have born in mind that at best it was a tool of Romans, who imposed it on Europe, as its imposition on Britain's was very similar to Nigeria's. Yet see how they are doing and perhaps how we shall do some day.

budaatum:

As a prequel? Whao! Where does one begin!

From reading the Bible I suppose. Proper reading, I mean, starting at Genesis and page by page to the end of Revelations, because it is readily available and easy to learn to read. Then the Qur'an. To see what else is out there. They could be read the other way round depending on availability, but both are essential to cure oneself of belief and for learning to think and reason and research for oneself.

Then Plato, just so one understands what the heck Aristotle is talking about because he'd be next.

From there, you let yourself be led I suppose, through you investigating what you may have learnt so far.

You will need enthusiasm I do confess. For while I wish I'd read Heidegger when I was much younger, I wouldn't have comprehended what the heck he was saying or talking about. Golly, I struggle even now!

Audio Being and Time can be found here

Make sure you get some ewedu and gbẹgiri to go with your portion of buda's amala please, or you'd be eating your swallow dry.

budaatum:


The Amala of buda

(I am titling this in you honour).

It is your opinion that those two books, which I want to believe you've read, make the brain dull and are "tools of European/Arab colonization, domination, and subjugation", A001, and you believe that despite the fact that you probably don't think I am dull, which just shows that you don't believe what you see with your own eyes.

This is not a philosophy forum, and me quoting books the majority have not read makes what I say go completely over the heads of most, though that does not stop me quoting philosophy as this thread shows. I mean, see you calling me all sorts according to what I quote instead of engaging with the words you see and read. Some even go as far as calling atheist me a cultist out of fear of what they know not.

A big book like the Bible and a complex book like the Qur'an can not possible be for dull people because one is far too big to be read by dull people and both are written in such a way that a fully functioning mind is required to read and understand them.

Take the Garden of Eden story. Some think it tells them not to eat the fruits of knowledge because they will die if they do. While some read the same story and see how Eve freed herself and Adam from slavery and both lived a very long time. Those with that understanding therefore build libraries in walking distance to every citizen in their cities so people can be freed like Eve. Same story, but more than one interpretation and understanding. One an enslaving mentality, and the other a freeing mentality. It's why American slave owners kept the Bible from their slaves, so the slaves don't read it and be inspired to revolt and free themselves. And why the Qur'an, which in the quoted verse is telling people to read widely to develop their minds, is kept in a language the majority can not read. And unfortunately, rather than see the text in the book and what it does, you see how some have used it to manipulate but disregard those who have used it to open eyes and enlighten and free.

I was recently asked what books to read as a prequel to Heidegger's Being and Time. My response is below. If one is in Nigeria where the most readily available biggest and difficult books to read are the Bible and the Quran and you haven't read them, you'd find it difficult to read Plato, and Heidegger would be like trying to read Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs before you learn to talk.

It's some people who only see their own perspective and no other that tend to have the issues that you have with buda, A001. There's lots of enlightened people who take me very seriously on here and in real life and who don't have issues with me at all. Some wonder how or why I'd quote what you call silly books together with Plato and Aristotle which are not silly, and some try to work out the conundrum it presents before them instead of sticking their heads in the sand and sticking a label on what they see not.

We are here freely communicating in the language of a book, and are opportuned to read many other books in that language too because of a book you claim was "tools of European/Arab colonization, domination, and subjugation". But I don't see colonized, dominated and subjugated A001 when I read what you write, do note, though I do see misinformed due to the lack of deep looking. For claiming "tools of European", you fail to have born in mind that at best it was a tool of Romans, who imposed it on Europe, as its imposition on Britain's was very similar to Nigeria's. Yet see how they are doing and perhaps how we shall do some day.



Make sure you get some ewedu and gbẹgiri to go with your portion of buda's amala please, or you'd be eating your swallow dry.

Don't waste time to reply me further. I didn't bother to read this epistle.

A person that doesn't understand Arabic and can't read Qur'an can't tell me anything about Quran or Islam that I don't already know. FYI, Qur'an only exists in Arabic language.

Any translation of the book isn't the Qur'an itself. Of course, you may not know this fact since you never practiced Islam, and you know little about the religion or its major religious text.

I consider posts praising Qur'an and/or the Bible as silly and such a poster as a stupid African.

A001:

FYI, Qur'an only exists in Arabic language.

Any translation of the book isn't the Qur'an itself!

That's utter silly nonsense! Same as claiming the works of Plato are not the works of Plato unless they are in ancient Greek, or the Bible is not the Bible unless it's in its original languages. The Qur'an was written on camel bones before it was edited and translated and copied onto parchment so why don't you stick to reading them on camel bones I don't wonder.

I've posted you an image so you know where to get a copy in English because even if you do read Arabic you sure can't understand it like the English you communicate with here. As for replying you, as you can see, I'll bother if I want to because you are not the only one who would read what I write despite it being in response to you.

A001:


I consider posts praising Qur'an and/or the Bible as silly and such a poster as a stupid African.

Thankfully that's your own personal subjective consideration that no one needs to share with you if they do not want to.

budaatum:


That's utter silly nonsense! Same as claiming the works of Plato are not the works of Plato unless they are in ancient Greek, or the Bible is not the Bible unless it's in its original languages. The Qur'an was written on camel bones before it was edited and translated and copied onto parchment so why don't you stick to reading them on camel bones I don't wonder.

I've posted you an image so you know where to get a copy in English because even if you do read Arabic you sure can't understand it like the English you communicate with here. As for replying you, as you can see, I'll bother if I want to because you are not the only one who would read what I write despite it being in response to you.

That's why I said you don't know what you're talking about. You're merely posting translated quranic verses all about you know next to nothing about.

That Qur'an only exists in Arabic is a well-known fact among practicing Muslims. It's a key principle in Islam, and that's why you will never any find any Muslim reciting all these your watered-down translated verses in English you're posting about, which don't convey the exact meaning of Qur'an, during Sallah (obligatory prayer).

You'll never find a real Muslim that recites Qur'an in his mother tongue (except Arabs) when observing Sallah. It was stated in the Quran itself that the book is only in Arabic (the verses are in Qur'an itself).

The translated texts aren't Qur'an, but just translations. Intelligent people know that nuanced meanings get lost in translation.

The funny thing novices like you don't know is that the way a Christian or an atheist/agnostic would translate Qur'an will be starkly different from the way Muslims would.

Hence, Muslims carefully select the translated versions of Qur'an they read (for those that don't understand Arabic).

Yoruba Muslims usually give wrong and silly translations, referring to Esu as Satan, Allah as Olorun, and many others, interpreting Eid-ul-Adha as Ileya?

How does "Eid-ul-Adha", which means "Odun ebo" in Yoruba or "Festival/Feast of Sacrifice" in English, translate to "Ileya" (homecoming)? How is Satan the same as Esu?

How is Allah the same as Olorun? Only dumb Yorubas say all these things.

Ileya actually applies to all festivals where natives travel home for the festivals, and it's not peculiar to Eid-ul-Adha.

But stupid and mischievous Yorubas that translated Qur'an tried to hide all the elements of paganism from Qur'an or Sunnah (Muhammad's recorded traditions and deeds), yet those of us that understand Arabic and read widely can easily spot all these paganistic elements in the text.

"Eidul Adha" is "Odun Ebo" in Yoruba. That's the correct translation, literally and within the context it was used in Sunnah and Qur'an.

There are many other instances.

Europeans and Arabs will be condemning African religions and cultures as paganism, yet their own religions are no different.

Africans without a working brain would also be demonizing their own cultures and traditions.

budaatum:


Thankfully that's your own personal subjective consideration that no one needs to share with you if they do not want to.

Actually millions do, as Africa is regarded by most people as the most backward continent in the world. It's the least developed continent in the world because it has stupid people in high numbers, more than any other continent.

These are facts backed by data. Data doesn't care about your emotions.

A001:
You'll never find a real Muslim that recites Qur'an in his mother tongue (except Arabs) when observing Sallah. It was stated in the Quran itself that the book is only in Arabic (the verses are in Qur'an itself).

A real Muslim, lol. Like if a Muslim recites the Qur'an in Yoruba like the Afa in the Orolu Kingdom does, you consider them unreal Muslims?

You are ignoring the evidence that is very obviously clearly before your very own eyes, A001, and expect buda to do what buda is told to do because that is what others do like buda hasn't got a brain with a mind in buda's head.

I am not a real any book I've read, A001. I am merely the very real budaatum of Nairaland do please take note and I do whatever I choose to do according to my own hard earned understanding.

A001:

The translated texts aren't Qur'an, but just translations. Intelligent people know that nuanced meanings get lost in translation.

We who read our Bibles well learnt to read comparative versions of different translations of texts we read so we can better get the nuanced meanings that get lost in translation A001. We even take into consideration that the cultural understanding of the times they were written might have been lost to us reading today too, and we might realise that all that doesn't matter as the texts influence our thinkings and actions and doings regardless and direct us positively or negatively depending entirely on us ourself just as it has done to others before us for centuries and wonder why and what for or how.

A001:
The funny thing novices like you don't know is that the way a Christian or an atheist/agnostic would translate Qur'an will be starkly different from the way Muslims would.

It would indeed be a funny thing for novices to not know despite the fact they'd see two Christians here could translate the Bible in two starkly different ways, don't you think?

How, A001, pray tell, can buda be "translating Qur'an starkly different from the way Muslims would" and yet be a novice?

A001:
But stupid and mischievous Yorubas that translated Qur'an tried to hide all the elements of paganism from Qur'an or Sunnah (Muhammad's recorded traditions and deeds), yet those of that understand Arabic and read widely can easily spot all these paganistic elements in the text.

And this is why we read various English translations of texts A001. To look and see the full picture for ourselves so stupid mischievous people can not manipulate us, yet here are you condemning us for it. Why?

budaatum:


A real Muslim, lol. Like if a Muslim recites the Qur'an in Yoruba like the Afa in the Orolu Kingdom does, you consider them unreal Muslims?

You are ignoring the evidence that is very obviously clearly before your very own eyes, A001, and expect buda to do what buda is told to do because that is what others do like buda hasn't got a brain with a mind in buda's head.

I am not a real any book I've read, A001. I am merely the very real budaatum of Nairaland do please take note and I do whatever I choose to do according to my own hard earned understanding.


We who read our Bibles well learnt to read comparative versions of different translations of texts we read so we can better get the nuanced meanings that get lost in translation A001. We even take into consideration that the cultural understanding of the times they were written might have been lost to us reading today too, and we might realise that all that doesn't matter as the texts influence our thinkings and actions and doings regardless and direct us positively or negatively depending entirely on us ourself just as it has done to others before us for centuries and wonder why and what for or how.


It would indeed be a funny thing for novices to not know despite the fact they'd see two Christians here could translate the Bible in two starkly different ways, don't you think?

How, A001, pray tell, can buda be "translating Qur'an starkly different from the way Muslims would" and yet be a novice?


And this is why we read various English translations of texts A001. To look and see the full picture for ourselves so stupid mischievous people can not manipulate us, yet here are you condemning us for it. Why?

No need for me to read this your epistle. I'm not interested in silly arguments on Nairaland. No Muslim or Alfa observes Sallah (obligatory prayer) in any other language except Arabic because Qur'an only exists in Arabic. That's a well-known fact among Muslims.

If you've seen any real Muslim that observes Sallah in their mother tongue (except Arabs), post the video here. All these mumu arguments on Nairaland sha.

I'll simply bin your mention because you're arguing ignorantly. Only a person with low intelligence argues against facts.

A001:

Actually millions do, as Africa is regarded by many as the most backward continent in the world. It's the least developed continent in the world because it has stupid people in high numbers, more than any other continent.

These are facts backed by data. Data doesn't care about your emotions.

This is a fact, A001, backed by a lot of evidence. But first. You have been advised, or rather, been very strongly warned by triple that I am tricking you into a cult so please kindly step forward with extreme caution.

What is backward and stupid? Let's see if we are on the same page.
1. Believing is stupid. Believing is stupid because you have not checked so that you may know.

2. Nigeria is stupidly run, at least compared to say China, Europe, USA, to name a few, if economy and how long one lives is considered.

3. Nigerians, least a lot of us, are backward and stupid as far as educational standards are concerned. All Sweden's children can read by age 5, but over at least 50% of Nigerians over 18 can't. We have power cuts and stupid I'll payed NYSC!

Why are we "backward and stupid people"
1. Because, instead of using our own senses to check things for ourselves we allow others to create crappy ideas in our heads or are too lazy to check the ideas in our own heads and then find reason to believe those crappy ideas in our heads to be true.

See your very own self for instance. You arrived here and saw "Cool thread", "OP seeks to educate people about philosophy". It's not as if you didn't know what to expect from the op of this thread whom you claim to know very well, but see now what you see after being told what what you saw must mean.

It is my indeed my emotions, as in how I personally have decided to feel, that gives me reason to strongly believe that I buda must not add to the "backwardness and stupid people" by enlightening myself by reading the books that the "backward and stupid people" around me claim they have read and believe and to use my own capacity and ability to seek understanding of it. If I don't read those books myself, backward and stupid people will stand on a pulpit and claim Jesus is the Son of God or the Qur'an is the Word of Allah and I would know no better because I would be "backward and stupid people" and not know it was written by humans.

I share what I read with others so as not to add to the "backward and stupid people" and to if possible reduce the number of backward and stupid people, A001, because that is the only way to stop "Africa being regarded by many as the most backward continent in the world". And it starts by people reading the books they currently have in whatever language they can read it in instead of having to surmount the obstacle of first having to learn a language foreign to them and then learning how to read. That obstacle is precisely the tool used to enslave and manipulate. Make them believe that eating the fruits of knowledge will kill them and chains would not be required to hold them down for as Plato wrote, if buda were to step out the cave and return to inform triple and A001 what she saw they will say buda is cult and attempt to tarnish buda's reputation.

It's philosophy you see, love of wisdom. And it must be mined by the individual self using their own brain and mind to acquire their own understanding, and not knowledge in form of information in which you must just believe.

A001:

I'll simply bin your mention because you're arguing ignorantly. Only a person with low intelligence argues against facts.

They'll be here for when you are mature enough to look and see and understanding.

Meanwhile others will read it which is a good thing because you make me put in a lot of effort and that I appreciate you for.

And on that note. Aesop's that I once promised my Lord in book form.

I've chosen the revised because it's a good recording.
https://librivox.org/aesops-fables-a-new-revised-edition-by-aesop/

Other versions exist and are not limited to.
https://librivox.org/aesops-fables-volume-1-fables-1-25/

@AOO1, Be careful !

The puppet and brainwashed Amorc member is already attempting to postulate and manipulate your mind into something .

You dont appear to notice he has been using some thought -termintaing cliches such as , 'eyes not open to see 'and 'minds to attempt to understand' , either to end the conversation since he is not succeeding with it, or to make you submit your mind to him for control so you start regarding him as much more intelligent than yourself

In other words , the loaded meaning in those statements are, you are not enlightened enough to understand him (eyes not open), and your critical faculty skill is not fully developed to make sense of anything ( 'minds to attempt '....)

All these are malicious suggestions to your subconscious mind to influence it negatively , and it's coming from somebody who himself is neither enlightened or can really think for himself , if not ,he would not be a member of a racist organisation whose founder, when alive, had regarded every blackman and woman as inferior to the whites Harvey Lewis Spencer , promoted the Idea of the superior Aryan race .

If Buda eyes are open and he is using his mind to think ,he will not foolishly continue to pay membership dues in dollars for protection from the so call invisible great white brotherhood , the Amorc egregore ,

That's what mind bending cult promises its members and uses to trap them so they don't leave ,but the wise ones continue to move out everyday leaving the clown behind .

If Buda is really using his minds ,he will know that he is being decieved in Amorc where he has been made to believe that a certain Jesus actually went to India and Egypt to learn .

Atheist don't accept a Jesus really existed in the past because they say no evidence , and there is really no historical evidence .Buda is a confused atheist .

If Buda ,is actually using his mind ,he will not continue to swallow the lie that Amorc claims are scientifically proven truths, and remain there .

Poor Buda ,who is yet to realise he is trapped in a path that has taken absolute control of his thinking faculty and have been using him like a zombie to spread it's message indirectly here on this forum ,and elsewhere ,to suck in anyone who is not watchful enough .

The clown says it's fear of Amorc or what I don't understand is why I have been attacking him.

What is there to be afraid of. The power in Amorc is in fear ,belief, and secrecy ,and that's why they hide what they do from the public .I know what they do in secret ,but it's not what some relgious people think . No blood and human sacrifice , but insidious mind control to put members under mental slavery .

I would have been a member ,but after a
painstaking and thorough investigation of the group , I discovered they don't have anything to offer me ,and anyone serious in knowing the truth .

A former member once declared that ,Amorc is an expensive waste of time . Others who have left agreed to this .

Their claims are not scientifically unproven truths ,but they deceive itheir ignorant members, who are mostly scientific illiterates, like Buda , that it's



Read all about, Thought - terminating cliches through this link .


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9



My quarrei with Buda is because he has been trying to use it on me thinking I lack the awareness to know what he is attemping to do.
I'm now saying enough is enough . You don't try that with me . I will put you where you belong .

Unnecessary mentions binned. Not here to read tripe. It's only an African I know that will see something written clearly in black and white and still be arguing like mumu

Hello ,

Don't allow anyone postulate you into something that will work against you in the end

triplechoice:
@AOO1, Be careful !

The puppet and brainwashed Amorc member is already attempting to postulate and manipulate your mind into something .

You dont appear to notice he has been using some thought -termintaing cliches such as , 'eyes not open to see 'and 'minds to attempt to understand' , either to end the conversation since he is not succeeding with it, or to make you submit your mind to him for control so you start regarding him as much more intelligent than you .

In other words , the loaded meaning in those statements are, you are not enlightented enough to understand him (eyes not open), and your critical faculty skill is not fully developed to make sense of anything ( 'minds to attempt '....)

All these are malicious suggestions to your subconscious mind to influence it negatively , and it's coming from somebody who himself is neither enlightened or can really think for himself , if not ,he would not be a member of a racist organisation whose founder, when alive, had regarded every blackman and woman as inferior to the whites Harvey Lewis Spencer , promoted the Idea of the superior Aryan race .

If Buda eyes are open and he is using is mind to think ,he will not foolishly continue to pay membership dues in dollars for protection from the so call invisible great white brotherhood , the Amorc egregore ,

That's what mind bending cult promises its members and uses to trap them so they don't leave ,but the wise ones continue to move out everyday leaving the clown behind .

If Buda is really using his minds ,he will know that he is being decieved in Amorc where he has been made to believe that a certain Jesus actually went to India and Egypt to learn .

Atheist don't accept a Jesus really existed in the past because they say no evidence , and there is really no historical evidence .Buda is a confused atheist .

If Buda ,is actually using his mind ,he will not continue to swallow the lie that Amorc claims are scientifically proven truths, and remain there .

Poor Buda ,who is yet to realise he is trapped in a path that has taken absolute control of his thinking faculty and have been using him like a zombie to spread it's message indirectly here on this forum ,and elsewhere ,to suck in anyone who is not watchful enough .

The clown says it's fear of Amorc or what I don't understand is why I have been attacking him.

What is there to be afraid of. The power in Amorc is in fear ,belief, and secrecy ,and that's why they hide what they do from the public .I know what they do in secret ,but it's not what some relgious people think . No blood and human sacrifice , but insidious mind control to put members under mental slavery .

I would have been a member ,but after a
painstaking and thorough investigation of the group , I discovered they don't have anything to offer me ,and anyone serious in knowing the truth .

A former member once declared that ,Amorc is an expensive waste of time . Others who have left agreed to this .

Their claims are not scientifically unproven truths ,but they deceive itheir ignorant members, who are mostly scientific illiterates, like Buda , that it's



Read all about, Thought - terminating cliches through this link .


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9



My quarrei with Buda is because he has been trying to use it on me thinking I lack the awareness to know what he is attemping to do.
I'm now saying enough is enough . You don't try that with me . I will put you where you belong .

Lols, I've been on this forum since 2008 oga. No need for unnecessary warnings. Just face him/her and leave me out of it. I usually avoid engaging people like that on Nairaland.

A001:

Lols, I've been on this forum since 2008 oga. No need for unnecessary warnings. Just face him/her and leave me out of it. I usually avoid engaging people like that on Nairaland.

I know you won't fall for such a thing .

It's just for others to see what I warned about him earlier .

A001:

Lols, I've been on this forum since 2008 oga. No need for unnecessary warnings. Just face him/her and leave me out of it. I usually avoid engaging people like that on Nairaland.

This must be when you don't "usually" then.
You're welcome and I'm honoured.

triplechoice:


I know you won't fall for such a thing .

It's just for others see what I warned about him earlier .

I think you are doing a lousy job so let me help you.

budaatum:


I think you are doing a lousy job so let me help you.

You need that for yourself , not me .

Goodness gracious, buda the 33rd degree freemason.. I wonder, what coven are thou from?

Freemasons were bricklayers, stone carvers, and construction workers of the ancient days you know? @Triplechoice.

Ah, reminds me one a novei l read once, unfortunately, i cant find the book. It was a beautiful book!! I was reading it beside the ocean too. The ocean never failed to mirror the glory of the heavens, which made the reading experience sort of trance-like. If only i could remember its name. My damn memory.
It was a novel that showed the cruelty of Christendom and their romance with kings. It was centered around building cathedrals. Ahmm.. some mason was the center of the story..

kkins25:
Goodness gracious, buda the 33rd degree freemason.. I wonder, what coven are thou from?

Freemasons were bricklayers, stone carvers, and construction workers of the ancient days you know? @Triplechoice.

Ah, reminds me one a novei l read once, unfortunately, i cant find the book. It was a beautiful book!! I was reading it beside the ocean too. The ocean never failed to mirror the glory of the heavens, which made the reading experience sort of trance-like. If only i could remember its name. My damn memory.
It was a novel that showed the cruelty of Christendom and their romance with kings. It was centered around building cathedrals. Ahmm.. some mason was the center of the story..

And he has been hounding me . Is that what he is supposed to be doing at that level ?

kkins25:
Goodness gracious, buda the 33rd degree freemason.. I wonder, what coven are thou from?

Freemasons were bricklayers, stone carvers, and construction workers of the ancient days you know? @Triplechoice.

They organised themselves into a workforce to build the Egyptian pyramids in hundreds of years and the vast cathedrals in Europe and some say even America.

But some believe some God would make them Babel if they build temples to heaven despite the fact they Babel already.

triplechoice:


And he has been hounding me . Is that what he is supposed to be doing at that level ?

Do you think your deceit is not seen triple, and people would just believe you despite the obvious evidence?

Go back and count how many of your posts have gone ignored on this thread. Others will and look with their own eyes see who is hounding.

And don't stop please. Don't let people be deceived.

budaatum:


Do you think your deceit is not seen triple, and people would just believe you despite the obvious evidence?

Go back and count how many of your posts have gone ignored on this thread. Others will and look with their own eyes see who is hounding.

And don't stop please. Don't let people be deceived.

It didn't start here . You started it all .

I said stop mentioning me in any of your conversation with anyone else ,and I will give you your space , ,if not ,you will know no peace .

You threw some innuedoes at me while you were engaging AOO1, and you expect me not to respond to your craziness ?

Continue fooling yourself and don't act the adult you claimed to be .

Modified. Which obvious evidence . Another attempt to think for those following to get them on your side .

You cannot be a judge in your own case .

You are deluded .