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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Piyke: 12:31pm On Aug 22, 2018
Kashif:


To add to that, many of them don't change the filter. Shitty techs sell replacement filters released by the shops. Boils down to BS supervision.

When my friend moved from Elizade to a mechanic. He confirmed filter had never been changed
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 3:10pm On Aug 22, 2018
That's why I was slightly hurt when someone compared us to a dealer cry

I told you guys when I first joined that dealers here are incompetent. Some more than the Kazeems because they know better and choose not to do it angry

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 3:11pm On Aug 22, 2018
Piyke:


When my friend moved from Elizade to a mechanic. He confirmed filter had never been changed

Probably because idiots couldn't figure out how to remove it! Like the Mercedes in Lekki!

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Specialist900(m): 12:36am On Aug 23, 2018
weyreypey:

What?
I'll sure go back there soon. I'll look to get photos
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Specialist900(m): 12:39am On Aug 23, 2018
Piyke:


This is the problem. No accountability. Even one Elizade my friend was using used 20w-50 as well! Same Abuja as well. You spend so much only to have your car kazimized by Kamaru's in coveralls
I don't get decieved by English and clean coveralls o
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Specialist900(m): 12:40am On Aug 23, 2018
Piyke:


When my friend moved from Elizade to a mechanic. He confirmed filter had never been changed
pure Wickedness
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 7:04pm On Aug 24, 2018
New one. Toyota Corolla. Owner ready for engine replacement but really all it needs is crankshaft and oil pump. Owner will have a 6 month warranty parts and labor on the repair.

Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 7:09pm On Aug 24, 2018
radautoworks:
New one. Toyota Corolla. Owner ready for engine replacement but really all it needs is crankshaft and oil pump. Owner will have a 6 month warranty parts and labor on the repair.

cost of crankshaft? Bearings? Piston rings? Etc total package.

will the crankshaft be brand new?

Oil pump brand new?

Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by mayor2013: 8:08pm On Aug 24, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


cost of crankshaft? Bearings? Piston rings? Etc total package.

will the crankshaft be brand new?

Oil pump brand new?


Good question grin another question would be since owner needs a replacement engine where would the engine come from? grin

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 9:51pm On Aug 24, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


cost of crankshaft? Bearings? Piston rings? Etc total package.

will the crankshaft be brand new?

Oil pump brand new?


Parts 140k, labor 100k. 6 month warranty on both.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 9:51pm On Aug 24, 2018
mayor2013:


Good question grin another question would be since owner needs a replacement engine where would the engine come from? grin

What
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by mayor2013: 11:01pm On Aug 24, 2018
radautoworks:


Parts 140k, labor 100k. 6 month warranty on both.

New crankshaft? If you are gonna go the way of a replacement engine where would you source the engine from.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 12:57am On Aug 25, 2018
mayor2013:


New crankshaft? If you are gonna go the way of a replacement engine where would you source the engine from.

I thought we went over that. I wouldn't source a replacement engine.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 2:42am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


Parts 140k, labor 100k. 6 month warranty on both.

from this answer I am certain a used crankshaft is involved.

You have avoided answering a lot of questions, but it is understandable.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 3:36am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


from this answer I am certain a used crankshaft is involved.

You have avoided answering a lot of questions, but it is understandable.


Did I miss something? No, I didn't avoid answering anything. Those questions were already answered when I said the owner had a 6 month warranty on parts and labor.

You asked about parts cost, I gave it to you immediately. Or did you want a breakdown by piece because I don't have that as you know I'm not there.

Then major2013 asked about new or used which I just thought was inane given how clear I have been in the past about how we go about things even in this same thread. Then, in an attempt to be saucy, he asked where we would source the motor when I clearly stated we were not replacing the motor?

At that price, parts are reman if not we wouldn't offer a warranty at all remember? We don't warranty parts that are not ours and we don't sell used or toks.

I thought that was previously established.

To cap it all, under normal circumstances I'd have the time and motivation to explain all that again from mayor2013's first attempted dig. Right now however after almost three months, I have more time for Daddy RADU than to go over the same thing I clearly explained before again. I'm sure you've noticed my activity drop significantly on Nairaland grin

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 3:51am On Aug 25, 2018
mayor2013:


Good question grin another question would be since owner needs a replacement engine where would the engine come from? grin

I'll be clear. Like I said, owner doesn't NEED a replacement engine. We are fixing his old one-the same stance we have taken this entire thread.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Nobody: 4:13am On Aug 25, 2018
mayor2013:


But the information of welding the exhaust to engine permanently would have been passed accross to the owner of the car. Some Naija car owners like shitty jobs done on their cars. Perhaps the exhaust had some issues and he or she was advised to have it done this way just to cut cost. Now the professional involved needs to add extra man power to have this sorted which might culminate to be a free service.

I will never agree to substandard work.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Nobody: 4:51am On Aug 25, 2018
Piyke:


I will do the rebuild with Rad without blinking. I have been waiting for these kind of services a loooooooong time. I will even ship the engine from Abuja to Lagos for the rebuild. I actually think it's a particular clientele that would demand rebuild services. I just won't be at peace to choose a replace when there's a proven rebuild available. Will have gone for a replacement if your type are not available.

Reminds me of how I once drove over 500km (gombe to Abuja) in 2010 to meet a Honda Place mechanic on account of a P2646 (was very naive knew nothing about cars). Car was in limp mode but I planned driving slow and steady. I was out of luck with Gombe Kazeems; the most promising one told me "Oga walahi na senso froblem" in the end he blocked inlets to my IACV angry. After a few days with my car acting like a drunkard, I told Kazeem to reverse his evil engineering. He did.
Long story short, when I commenced the journey to Abuja the CEL disappeared before 100km. Looking back now, it must have been a loose connection. I still continued to Abuja and the Honda place guy turned out to be an English speaking Kazeem cheesy. Told me to replace fuel pump. For a P2646

Madam said something above that the services she's offering a bare minimum and expected in the USA - something like this.

Two issues I see here.

1) Madams clientele are not going to be 100% Nairalanders (mine won't and I knew from banging my head against the wall in the past on here to keep my mouth shut). Her clients will seek her and come in on bent knees after experiencing the Kamorus and Kasalis grin

2) No one can be convinced of having to rebuild their engines until they have either experienced it or know of others. It's simply a foreign idea to most in the Camry/Accord ownership because those engines are two for ten kobo at ladipo.

When you have say a top flight German car that a used engine cost $8 to $10K nobody will tell you to start looking for someone to rebuild your existing lump.

So Madam may be preaching psalm 21 to islamic students. I tried and gave up. Not on the business idea but on convincing non believers.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 4:52am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


Did I miss something? No, I didn't avoid answering anything. Those questions were already answered when I said the owner had a 6 month warranty on parts and labor.

You asked about parts cost, I gave it to you immediately. Or did you want a breakdown by piece because I don't have that as you know I'm not there.

Then major2013 asked about new or used which I just thought was inane given how clear I have been in the past about how we go about things even in this same thread. Then, in an attempt to be saucy, he asked where we would source the motor when I clearly stated we were not replacing the motor?

At that price, parts are reman if not we wouldn't offer a warranty at all remember? We don't warranty parts that are not ours and we don't sell used or toks.

I thought that was previously established.

To cap it all, under normal circumstances I'd have the time and motivation to explain all that again from mayor2013's first attempted dig. Right now however after almost three months, I have more time for Daddy RADU than to go over the same thing I clearly explained before again. I'm sure you've noticed my activity drop significantly on Nairaland grin


This is what I would consider a standard rebuild.

Brand new standard crankshaft. (Not a cut to next size)

brand new OEM oil pump.

brand new bearings.

brand new pistons

brand new piston rings.

there is no way any one will achieve this with 300k without labour charge.



Ild rather do the used engine.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 4:54am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:



This is what I would consider a standard rebuild.

Brand new standard crankshaft. (Not a cut to next size)

brand new OEM oil pump.

brand new bearings.

brand new pistons

brand new piston rings.

there is no way any one will achieve this with 300k without labour charge.



Ild rather do the used engine.

It can be achieved with remans clearly. We are doing it. Plus from our earlier discussions it was clear we have a lot more experience doing it wink

If I'm not mistaken, Pistons were okay. Will have to verify with tech again. Total parts needing replacement with remans as previously stated was 140k. I know this flies against your belief we are expensive but:
1) we know what we're doing
2) no we're not smiley

Don't worry, I'll keep posting more of these for you so you'll see what's possible. This is the fourth "engine replacement" in a little over a week we have avoided. Shoot, didn't even have to tear down one of them as ivoryhouse can attest.

I keep telling y'all, WE. ARE. NOT. HERE. TO. PLAY.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 4:55am On Aug 25, 2018
EgunMogaji:


Madam said something above that the services she's offering a bare minimum and expected in the USA - something like this.

Two issues I see here.

1) Madams clientele are not going to be 100% Nairalanders (mine won't and I knew from banging my head against the wall in the past on here to keep my mouth shut). Her clients will seek her and come in on bent knees after experiencing the Kamorus and Kasalis grin

2) No one can be convinced of having to rebuild their engines until they have either experienced it or know of others. It's simply a foreign idea to most in the Camry/Accord ownership because those engines are two for ten kobo at ladipo.

When you have say a top flight German car that a used engine cost $8 to $10K nobody will tell you to start looking for someone to rebuild your existing lump.

So Madam may be preaching psalm 21 to islamic students. I tried and gave up. Not on the business idea but on convincing non believers.

Now that's More like it. Not this 180-200k 1zz engine.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 4:55am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


It can be achieved with remans clearly. We are doing it.

some things are not possible. wink
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by Nobody: 5:01am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


cost of crankshaft? Bearings? Piston rings? Etc total package.

will the crankshaft be brand new?

Oil pump brand new?


Crankshaft: It is rare to have to change a crankshaft. Very rare. Bearings are design to be disposable, not crankshafts. Also. crankshafts can be reground to the next size.

Bearings: These are cheap replacement consumable parts.

Piston Rings: Like crankshaft, they may not be needed. Heck I may not even remove the pistons depending on the condition of the cylinder bores. If the engine has good compression across the cylinders, but has knocking sound down in the engine then I may not touch the cylinders. The key is discussing this with the owner.

Oil pumps: are cheap replacements, considering their location and the labor of replacement. Oil pump replacement has its own set of troubleshooting.

Was the engine damaged due to lack of oil, overrevving, etc

We need to figure these things out.

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 5:05am On Aug 25, 2018
EgunMogaji:


Crankshaft: It is rare to have to change a crankshaft. Very rare. Bearings are design to be disposable, not crankshafts. Also. crankshafts can be reground to the next size.

Bearings: These are cheap replacement consumable parts.

Piston Rings: Like crankshaft, they may not be needed. Heck I may not even remove the pistons depending on the condition of the cylinder bores. If the engine has good compression across the cylinders, but has knocking sound down in the engine then I may not touch the cylinders. The key is discussing this with the owner.

Oil pumps: are cheap replacements, considering their location and the labor of replacement. Oil pump replacement has its own set of troubleshooting.

Was the engine damaged due to lack of oil, overrevving, etc

We need to figure these things out.

its a corrola 2004-6 mileage would be over 200,000. Car has been on a 20w50 diet, look at the tyres? It's most likely our e-hailing brothers. Piston rings are gone for sure.

Attacking a problem (crankshaft/rattling) is one way of fixing presented problems.

Another way is giving a fresh start.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 5:07am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


some things are not possible. wink

Yes, and remans are. Feel free to stop at the shop before the car leaves smiley weren't you supposed to pop over a few Saturdays ago anyway for puff puff?
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 5:09am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


its a corrola 2004-6 mileage would be over 200,000. Car has been on a 20w50 diet, look at the tyres? It's most likely our e-hailing brothers. Piston rings are gone for sure.

Attacking a problem (crankshaft/rattling) is one way of fixing presented problems.

Another way is giving a fresh start.

Whoa! That's a lot of assumptions.. and wrong.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 5:11am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


Now that's More like it. Not this 180-200k 1zz engine.

Okay. 180-200k engine. How much labor and what is warranty with you? Owner was presented both options.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 5:14am On Aug 25, 2018
This is not new, when clients are on a tight budget, a lot of mechanics do stuff like this.

Just turn the engine upside down, throw in a standard crankshaft with oem Bearings and replace oil pump. Engine will run quiet. It's a cheap fix.

Does not solve oil burn issues.


If you have to teardown this engine and do a proper job from Cylinder head all the way to the bottom you will spend more than 300k.


You are yet to answer the question

What did you do to the crankshaft.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 5:15am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


Okay. 180-200k engine. How much labor and what is warranty with you? Owner was presented both options.

1 Full year and I will sleep well at night.

I have used engine running for over 4years in a lot of engine bays.
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 5:15am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:
This is not new, when clients are on a tight budget, a lot of mechanics do stuff like this.

Just turn the engine upside down, throw in a standard crankshaft with oem Bearings and replace oil pump. Engine will run quiet. It's a cheap fix.

Does not solve oil burn issues.


If you have to teardown this engine and do a proper job from Cylinder head all the way to the bottom you will spend more than 300k.


You are yet to answer the question

What did you do to the crankshaft.

Dude. Did you read the original post?? And you really think from everything you know about us this was our solution what you said above?

WE. USED. A. REMAN. ONE.

I've said that three times now!

Stop resisting change Gazzuzz. It's coming whether you like it or not
Dada. dada. dada dada dada. (Jaws theme)

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Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by radautoworks: 5:16am On Aug 25, 2018
GAZZUZZ:


1 Full year and I will sleep well at night.

I have used engine running for over 4years in a lot of engine bays.

You didn't answer about the labor
Re: To Rebuild Or To Replace? by GAZZUZZ(m): 5:19am On Aug 25, 2018
radautoworks:


WE. USED. A. REMAN. ONE.

I've said that three times now!

long and short tokumbor.

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