Are Walcott, Lenon, Ferdinand, Brown and Cole English?

If not what are they then?

Very poor ref. bad decisions all game.

He should not be allowed to officiate another games. The officiating for this game was a complete joke

chamotex:

I cant believe you truly watch Italian football then mate.

Massimo Busacca is from Switzerland not Italy

Yeah mate. I am the biggest Milan fan on this site and those who have been members of this forums sports section from 2005 would remember that. Just not as active on this site as I used to be following Milan's recent decline . You dont feel like coming here to defend your team after a 4-0 trashing these days when it used to be the other way around . I ment to reference the games he officated over Milan. All the games Mr Busacca has officiated in for Milan including our hideous 4-0 trashing at the hands of Man U have been fair to me. He is not one of the refs Milan fans moan about and I think by and large he is a good ref. He is going to make mistakes but I think he is among the best.

Super Eagles. Lets go there

kenerep:

As a sign of sportmanship to all those I might have offended today with ma comments I say I am sorry i just couldn't help watching ma darling african team get battered! Though the Uruguayan's were better which we all know the red card was totally wrong and also I believe it is wrong to call the ref a racist *which i did* mistakes happen and he has just a split of a second to make a decision but I guess it is those decisions that make others better! To Sage in paticular next time when you throw a jibe I will take it as a joke cos it seems no one is out to insult the other, to you as well I say I am sorry! I hope the Eagles win tomorrow though!

No problems guy. Im sorry too if I came across the wrong way as my intention was not to insult. I am an Italian league fan and I know Massimo Bussacar is one of the best around. I had seen replays done to check for offside while watching the game and it was clear Suarez started his run in an on-side position and the goalkeeper had contact with Suarez hence penalty.

I was just saying that even if the ref got both calls wrong it does not mean he is racist. Mistakes happen in football too. Everyone of us on this site would hate to be on the recieving end of a wrongful "racist" accusation.

Also a white ref being biased does not even neccesarilly translate to racism. African refs also have biases even in African Nations cup. They sometimes favour one country over another.

In this particular case I felt the ref was spot on so the accusation of racism seemed very unwarranted. Even if he was wrong it would probably have been a case of a bad call. I dont think we should level serious allegations like that without a very solid basis.

No probs sha. I feel your loss. I wanted South Africa to progress and I wanted as many African countries as possible in the 2nd round so it was panful for me too.

No worry though, Just join the Naija team . Na the winning team be dat

marutimon:

I'm sorry, why the hell do you need lines when you have the above pictures, it's clear as daylight.

The reason I asked for that was because the replays on TV showed it as onside. I need to look for the replays with those indicators. Who knows maybe ESPN replays might have fooled everybody including me

Il check it out again and Il come back and confirm.

marutimon:

Again:
http://www.d1g.com/video/space/sports/show/?id=3793190

If you stop it well enough you'll get a screenshot where Cavani has yet to touch the ball and Suarez is already offside.

And here is the proof:

Can you get an ESPN version of the goal or any version with a line that indicates offsides. I tried to but ts hard for me where I am now.

ESPN did several replays because even the ESPN commentators thought it was offside and so did I.

But the replays with the lines showed that Suarez was completely onside.

I was actually surprised too because I had felt convinced it was offside

mikeansy:

Why Arabic website? Can't even see a video.

Just a warning!!!! Everything in Arabic is back to font . . . . .I hope your video is not showing reverse-action . . .lol Kidding.

Still waiting for a video have not seen one

Suarez was completely ONSIDE when the ball was deflected.

I dont blame those who think it was initially offside. I did too.

But the replay showed otherwise and I would expect somebody who wants to accuse a very solid ref of "racism" to at least first be sure of what happened before leveling such an allegation at the ref

marutimon:

Sage: Sorry.

Look at 26 sec. for offside.

http://www.d1g.com/video/space/sports/show/?id=3793190

I watched it on ESPN and initially thought it was offside too.

Then the replay a couple of times to my surprise, showed that Suarez was at least half a yard ONSIDE when the ball was deflected

kenerep:

@Sage why I do not result to insult I do not take it lightly expecially from someone who does not know what he has read! Do you understand english at all? Did you read what I posted? It is a pity a computer has found a way to you! If you understand football well enough I am sure you won't be saying the rubbish you just posted I won't go into whether it is a penalty or not since you are not learned to that extent to explain to! I have watched many games where the african team is always on the loosing side of bad officiating and i only queried is there no black ref! if you read well and understand you will see that i already praised the Uruguayans for being the better side but it is a pity tainted is not a word you are accoustomed to, what a pity!

Dude what are you talking about? I read what you wrote and you seemed to be accusing Massimo Bussacar of racism. When an African team plays mediocar and lose its disgraceful to start with this colour nonsense. Dont you see "Black" refs officiating FiFA games? What exactly do you mean by "Black Refs should be the ones officiating African teams games?

I read your post and yes it didnt make sense at all.

can somebody please put a video of that goal to end this controversy once and for all

buzugee:

abeg dont mind mikeansy and sage. they are uncle toms. anything a white man does is always right to them

Free your mind from stupidity and mental chains. Even God cant help you at this point. Just dey spout nonsense that is not rational. Make a rational case for your viewpoint or keep quiet
"Uncle om" yada yada yada bla bla bla.  Uncle Jerry ko, Uncle Nibbles ni?

marutimon:

1. Suarez was OFFSIDE. You can go take a look at it again.
The ball was redirected by a second Uruguayan player in the path of Suarez. Suarez was offside at that moment.

2. Khune DID NOT deny the last man a clear goal scoring opportunity. There was nothing in Khune's play that hindered Suarez's chance. He only touched Suarez when the Uruguayan was already diving and the contact was so minimal. If every touch was a PK than there would be 50 penalties awarded each game.

If the ref had video replay I doubt he would have given the call.

FALSE

When the ball left the feet of the last player of Uruaguay, Suarez WAS ONSIDE

Its a categorical lie to attempt to state otherwise.

There was a clear contact and following FIfa rules a penalty and a red card


Unless you guys were watching a different game

mikeansy:

I hope you guys know the offside rule?

Where was Suarez when the Columbian who played the ball was just about to play it?

Anybody?

Mokena played him onside. You can go watch it again

marutimon:

First of all Suarez was offside, so nothing that Khune did mattered.

Second of all Suarez dived and Khune was just unlucky to touch the falling player who was looking for it.

Yes. Uruguay deserved the win. Yes. Khune made it easy for Suarez. But no - that should never be a penalty. Khune did not cause Suarez to fall over and did nothing to inhibit Suarez's chances to score.

Wrong on all counts

1. Suarez was ONSIDE. You can go take a look at it again.

2. Ref was following a clear FIFA rule with this instance. Last man deny a clear goal scoring opportunity and its a RED card. There was contact and that was clear as day

Massimo Bussaca is a good ref, one of the best in the world. His decisions were spot on.

The only thing to blame here is SOuth Africa's piss poor performance

debosky:

I'm gutted for South Africa, but they just weren't good enough.

Pienaar particularly disappointed in the 1.5 games he's played so far.

I agree completely. I expected more from Pienaar in this tournament.

kenerep:

In a game largely dominated by the Uruguayans the referee has tainted a roller coaster win with sheer stupidity and probably racism and has put the question into my mind again, how come it is a white man that ref whenever an african country and any other country not from africa is playing? Is fifa going to say there is no ref that is black and not from africa that is worthy or being in the middle. Whether we like it or not this controversies will never cease racism is not an african thing it belongs to the whites! Now it has rared its uglky head in our own tournament! The red card was not only illegitimate the player was offside but the lines men and the the ref did not see that but the penalty what a cheap way of winning. Samuel Eto'o was asked the question can an African team win the world cup he answered an African team will win the world cup when FIFA wants it to!

are u well at all? Abi u don dey smoke Igbo?

The only racists involved are you whiny ass girls on this forum. A weak team loses to a better team and u guys are acting like cry babies. Make una continue to dey blame other people for una self-inflicted woes.  White man cause una to lose my nyash. Nonsense

Can anybody tell me what the ref did wrong?

He was spot on with regards to that penalty decision. Anyother thing I missed?

and that was a clear penalty. Clear as day. South African team is simply not good enough

Buzugee carry your racist self and go blow a vuvuzela. You lost! Get over it

Amodu PR people don plenty for this forum abi? They dey pay una? Make una go siddon jor

Amodu is not a coach period!

Why is Sagamite making this a skin colour thing? Its like he is acting like an American who sees everything though the prism of colour and those people usually can not make very rational arguments.

@Sagamite, u be Naija so no dey talk like westerner wey colour issues don mess up their head and everything for them na colour based.

The french guy wey qualify Naija for 1998 world cup was sacked and replaced before the world cup by another European coach. Amodu was sacked and replaced by Onigbinde, another Nigerian despite qualifying naija for 2002.

Nigerians critisized the German guy wey wan coach Naija from Germany and sacked him.



What you have to understand is that Amodu is not a coach. He can be a "green man" for all I cared I would still have personally fired his ass. Lagerbeer might end up not much better but firing Amodu was the right thing to do.

Nigerians love coaches who inspired teams and took them to the next level regardless of colour hence the love for Westerhof, Bonfere and Siasia. It has nothing to do with colour. If Westerhof had dark skin and achieved the same things Naija people would love him the same.

Why are you guys not focusing on the more troubling issue of the decline of quality players coming from Nigeria?

Amodu is no coach and Lagerback might not be much better (we are gonna find out soon) but the bigger issue here points to the decline of quality players coming out of Naija

otokx:

Most Nigerians are in a permanent state of self deception and its a fact. The whole idea of the world cup is to go for points and 3 points at that per game. There is no need playing well and loosing all your matches as NIGERIA is going to do. We have just giving out our National resource to a white man who is not sincere and until we look inwards we shall continue groping in the dark.

We don dey grope for darkness for a while in most things. No be Largerbeer fault

Anyways what do you guys think would have been the result if Naija had Diego Maradonna as coach and the Argies had Lagerback?

Egypt would have done a better job. Algeria are just a joke and just wasted one African spot

No mind. Algeria don concede . What a shitty goalkeeper

When African countries go begin win sef? Six spots wey we get make they make use of am o. I hope at least one of the 2 African teams win today

davidif:

Do you know how hard it would be to put all this racial categories in a census form? Those classification makes things easier for everybody and also since the dawn of time people have always had names for people with different skin pigmentations than them, its a way of identifying themselves.

Wont the census form also be simplified if anybody mixed with "White" is considered as "White"?

The one drop rule is a recent idea that is not even 200 years old. People have always had ways of classifying each other but not all of it is skin colour based and the actual concept of race as you know it now ("Black" race, "White" race) is also very recent idea. A Somali left to his own devices would never categorize himself as the same as an Ijaw. They dont have anything in common and so they are not similar in anyway. A "Black" Berber would identify with a "White" Berber more than he identifies with a Zulu man

Anyways the ODR was not invented to simplify census forms. It was based on malice and the idea that a person with a drop of "sub-Saharan" blood is tainted.

We should not be lending credence to nonsense like that or castigating people or nations who dont subscribe to such ideas.

The one drop thing is a United States thing. Other nations do not have to adopt it.

People think that it is wrong for the Spanish to call a person with one Mullato parent and a Spanish parent as a "Moor" or a Mestizo and a White parent as "White"

But these same people think it is right to tell somebody who has over 90% Irish ancestry that he/she is of the "Black race" and that he/she is a brother/sister to people from Somalia, Ethiopia etc but not Irish people? I mean the person shares about all their genetic connection with Irish people. How is the person not a brother/sister to Irish people but is the same "race" as a Somalian whom he has no genetic, cultural or linguistic ancestry with?

If anything is stupidly insane it is the one drop nonsense

People should be castigating the ODR, not critisizing people in foreign lands for not abiding by an American social concept.

SEFAGO:

she means colombia the country in south america. South American countries have a lot of classifications for people depending on different color gradations. Its hilarious- the list is like 1000. This is the one for mexico:

davidif:

Men that list is disgusting. Thank goodness for the one drop rule.

I dont understand you guys at all? How can you guys castigate the Spanish system of classification and applaud the American one-drop nonsense as the correct and right thing ?

Ignorant people invented the one-drop rule and some of you here think is correct and imagine its the correct thing to do and even accuse people in a different continent of "denying their 'race'" because they do not conform to American one-drop crap ?

Thats really amazing

Who even told you guys that there is such as thing as "blackness" or "being black" which a person needs to deny in the first place ?


"White", "Black" are actually just social labels that differ from place to place and from country to country that some people came up with and the current concept of race is actually very recent.

People in Latin America reserve the right to call themselves white, black etc as they see fit. Americans dont have the right to bring their one-drop mentality and try to shove it down everybody's throats .

davidif:

mrbrownjay
Your reports on brazil were very derpessingly true. How could a country with a majority black population have no black people in the media?http://video.nytimes.com/video/2010/06/08/world/americas/1247468006067/finding-supermodels-in-rural-brazil.html

I dont think Brazil has a majority black population. No where close to that at all. If you are talking about the mixed White, Amerindian and Black population thats a different thing entirely

cap28:

bkbabe can i ask you a question ?  you say you are part colombian and part "black" why are you on a nigerian forum? why arent you with your colombian people debating - or could it be because your "colombian" father deserted your mother before you were born and now like a discarded piece of rubbish you are floating around looking for a race of people to belong to - listen up mongrel, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME OR WANTED ON THIS FORUM - this forum is for full blooded africans not mongrels who don't know who or what they are,  now scram!!!!

People una see this statement at all. I always told this guy he is racist as hell. Its funny because he is the one who bitches about racism the most but always makes racist statements in just about every thread

Insecurity na bad thing sha

davidif:

You see why i don't get into this kind of arguements. Nigerians don't know how to argue without getting personal. It seems that we can't keep our emotions under control which is so sad.

Its really sad because in Nigeria we are always emotional about everything. We wonder why our country is upside down but when you have a populace that acts more on emotions than on rationale thats what you get