ayobase:

There is a difference between wine of today and wine of after today...fermentation...if it were fermented wine (alcohol) Jesus gave them, then that wedding might have taken another course...people might drunk to the level of misbehaving....no misbehaviour was reported during and after the wedding ceremony!

joseph1832: How come almost any thing said by this Pastor Adeboye makes front page immediately?

So many post that deserve front page are not even given any thought but when its a "Pastor" it immediately makes front page, what are the moderators moderating?!

This nonsense has to stop! Haba!

RedReact:
You are wrong sir. ANYTHING called wine is alcoholic. All these 'non-alcoholic wines are not wines at all, but beverages.
Like some other brethren arguing for taking wines said, moderation is the key. I am also sure many of them don't drink it too based on some facts. I myself don't drink it because it tastes bitter for my liking. What is in the scripture is drunkeness. One can even get drunk with Coca-cola; this results in our body experiencing pile because it isn't taken moderately.

chuksme:
If u don't like any Topic at the front page,simply jump and pass. It is not mandetary that u must enter any topic ok,

SBabaJ:
To Think That A "Joseph" Will Consider The Gospel Nonsense...

Goshen360: I can see those that understands sound doctrine have said the truth hence, I will not stretch this further otherwise, I would have asked a question like Jesus did and offended the religious people of his days but I know I will never get an answer without being offended. Hence, I won't bother asking this question(s) but if you think you can answer my question (my question will be from the words of Christ himself), then step forward and lemme ask my question

joseph1832:
Mr man so Pastor Adeboye is now the gospel according to you?

Goldenheart: Hmmmm....what bout refrigirators?! is it a devil altar too??

SBabaJ:
Kindly Draw Your Inference Objectively; His Name Popped Up Here In Connection With The Gospel.

joseph1832:
So does that him the gospel?

frosbel: There is no such thing as the spirit of liquor in the bible, if there is , please show me the chapter and verse.

There is no difference between a glutton and a drunkard, the key is moderation.

If you cannot control yourself , do not take alcohol. I personally take a little wine now and again, Timothy in the bible did for his stomach ailment.

As for storing liquor in the home, it is not recommended especially due to the children.

"Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand." - Philippians 4:5


As for immorality, of course, this is one of the most destructive sins and to endure in it without repentance is to risk eternal damnation.

joseph1832:
Please ask your questions(s)

Guitarlife: but how do we explain the issue of Jesus' maiden miracle been the mirale of wine at the marriage in canaan ?

SBabaJ:
What Does This Mean?
It Doesn't Make Him The Gospel Rather He's One Who Shares The Good News. Keep An Open mind, Thanks.

Originalsly: I was against this hmmm...hypocrite's teachings being posted on front page in this forum where religious threads are not allowed....except his. I now support the postings....so that he can be exposed.Jesus turned water into wine for people to drink...the Bible also recommended drinking a little wine....now here is this MOG basically saying what Jesus did was bad. The Spirit of God will leave if the spirit of alcohol is entertained!hmmm...never know alcohol was that kind of spirit! Lol...d man had to be drinking before writing this garbage....and and drinking way pass moderation!

violent:

Yeah right, my neighbor's Honda accord is actually a mini-Lamborghini

There's WINE, and then there's Juice!

It can't be called Wine if it hasn't undergone fermentation, so if Jesus turned water into Wine, then he turned Water into WINE! You can't separate Alcohol from Wine.

sweetcheecks:

Are you serious?
If there is such a difference in wine and alcohol, why did the bible lets take the pastors verse for the topics sake;
Ephesians 5 :18 not written DO NOT GET DRUNK WITH ALCOHOL BUT WINE? Get mu point? Have you ever seen a verse that seperates the two in the bible. This the problem with some Christians try to rationalise the bible to fit their ideologies as if God made a mistake.

violent:

Yeah right, my neighbor's Honda accord is actually a mini-Lamborghini

There's WINE, and then there's Juice!

It can't be called Wine if it hasn't undergone fermentation, so if Jesus turned water into Wine, then he turned Water into WINE! You can't separate Alcohol from Wine.

Goshen360:

Meaning you've stepped forward to answer my question(s) right? Good! Here is it but let me warn you ahead, religious people might be offended if you truly answer according to what is said o. Here's the text question:

New Living Translation (©2007)
Then Jesus called to the crowd to come and hear. "Listen," he said, "and try to understand. It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth." Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you realize you offended the Pharisees by what you just said?" Matthew 15:10-12

Question:
Will Wine or Alcohol be also part of what GOES INTO YOUR MOUTH and yet you are NOT considered defiled or uncleaned

Goshen360:

Meaning you've stepped forward to answer my question(s) right? Good! Here is it but let me warn you ahead, religious people might be offended if you truly answer according to what is said o. Here's the text question:

New Living Translation (©2007)
Then Jesus called to the crowd to come and hear. "Listen," he said, "and try to understand. It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth." Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you realize you offended the Pharisees by what you just said?" Matthew 15:10-12

Question:
Will Wine or Alcohol be also part of what GOES INTO YOUR MOUTH and yet you are NOT considered defiled or uncleaned

frosbel: There is no such thing as the spirit of liquor in the bible, if there is , please show me the chapter and verse.

There is no difference between a glutton and a drunkard, the key is moderation.

If you cannot control yourself , do not take alcohol. I personally take a little wine now and again, Timothy in the bible did for his stomach ailment.

As for storing liquor in the home, it is not recommended especially due to the children.

"Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand." - Philippians 4:5


As for immorality, of course, this is one of the most destructive sins and to endure in it without repentance is to risk eternal damnation.

sweetcheecks:

Have you ever seen a verse that seperates the two in the bible.

PHIPEX:





This is to my understanding is the very reason why the Bible says that the letters of the Bible kills but the spirit behind the Bible gives life,(2Cor 3:6). Someone who follows simply the letters of the Bible (especially regarding this issue) could very well justify whatever he does even with scriptures to backup. The king James for instance sometimes uses the word "wine" as alcohol but in most cases it differentiates Alcoholic wines (which it calls Strong drinks) from Non-alcoholics.

Le 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:

Nu 6:3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, [/b]neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.[b]

De 29:6 Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.

Jg 13:4 Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:

Jg 13:7 But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.

Jg 13:14 She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: all that I commanded her let her observe.

1Sa 1:15 And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD.

I can go on and on...

I believe any christian who understands the level of his relationship with God will not use a simple instruction given to Timothy by Paul due to his ill health at the time to undermine over 20 other contrary instructions from God. Even if one is able to justify the drinking of alcohol but for the level of debates it's generating, the love and meekness in a christian should be able to make such a one to desist from it in order not to drag the name of God to disrepute.

in 1 Cor 8:8 Paul said he has the faith to eat (drink) anything and nothing will happen neither will he feel condemned but he went further to say in 1Co 8:10 "For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat(food and drinks) in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols." In verse 13 he said " Wherefore, if meat(food and drinks) make my brother to offend (sin), I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend."

samm_miey: Holy spirit detest alcohol more dan somewot much less God.As a matter of fact,I was once a victim of alcoholism but I thank God 4my life that I'm now a chnged person.Nothing gladdens d heart than 2living a holy life with a circumcised heart,I pray God help us all.

PHIPEX:





This is to my understanding is the very reason why the Bible says that the letters of the Bible kills but the spirit behind the Bible gives life,(2Cor 3:6). Someone who follows simply the letters of the Bible (especially regarding this issue) could very well justify whatever he does even with scriptures to backup. The king James for instance sometimes uses the word "wine" as alcohol but in most cases it differentiates Alcoholic wines (which it calls Strong drinks) from Non-alcoholics.

Le 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:

Nu 6:3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, [/b]neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.[b]

De 29:6 Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.

Jg 13:4 Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:

Jg 13:7 But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.

Jg 13:14 She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: all that I commanded her let her observe.

1Sa 1:15 And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD.

I can go on and on...

I believe any christian who understands the level of his relationship with God will not use a simple instruction given to Timothy by Paul due to his ill health at the time to undermine over 20 other contrary instructions from God. Even if one is able to justify the drinking of alcohol but for the level of debates it's generating, the love and meekness in a christian should be able to make such a one to desist from it in order not to drag the name of God to disrepute.

in 1 Cor 8:8 Paul said he has the faith to eat (drink) anything and nothing will happen neither will he feel condemned but he went further to say in 1Co 8:10 "For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat(food and drinks) in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols." In verse 13 he said " Wherefore, if meat(food and drinks) make my brother to offend (sin), I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend."

Wadosky: I come in peace,
What if the wine Jesus made was just a fruit juice or non alcoholic beverage like eva wine?

doofanc: This alcohol issue has been debated severally here, and like that of tithing, remains as divisive as ever. I won't be suprised if this thread, within d next few days, stretches to over 10 pages.

D pendants will insist that d consumption of just a single drop of alcohol is sinful. A christian who finds himself craving alcohol should check himself, they would add.

Others, like Frosbel above would say its about moderation.

And the debate continues. . .

I'm well aware that RCCG is uncompromisingly against alcohol drinking in whatever quantity or form, but you may notice Adeboye didn't condem it's consumption outright; his emphasis is that it always leads to something more severe, usually like sex.ual sins.

doofanc: This alcohol issue has been debated severally here, and like that of tithing, remains as divisive as ever. I won't be suprised if this thread, within d next few days, stretches to over 10 pages.

D pendants will insist that d consumption of just a single drop of alcohol is sinful. A christian who finds himself craving alcohol should check himself, they would add.

Others, like Frosbel above would say its about moderation.

And the debate continues. . .

I'm well aware that RCCG is uncompromisingly against alcohol drinking in whatever quantity or form, but you may notice Adeboye didn't condem it's consumption outright; his emphasis is that it always leads to something more severe, usually like sex.ual sins.

m.k.o2005:

WINE AND ALCOHOL WAS SEPERATED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTRONOMY 14:22-26 !
''whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or FOR WINE, or FOR STRONG DRINK, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shall eat......Deut. 14:22-26.From this scripture,we can see the bible using wine and strong drink to tell us that they are not the same !
The bible uses them interchangeably ! The Jewish wine in itself is of grape Juice.Fresh wine just like the water Jesus turned into wine was fresh wine and can never intoxicate becos grape juice does not intoxicate but when it ferments'expect anything from it !
God HELP US

m.k.o2005:

WINE AND ALCOHOL WAS SEPERATED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTRONOMY 14:22-26 !
''whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or FOR WINE, or FOR STRONG DRINK, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shall eat......Deut. 14:22-26.From this scripture,we can see the bible using wine and strong drink to tell us that they are not the same !
The bible uses them interchangeably ! The Jewish wine in itself is of grape Juice.Fresh wine just like the water Jesus turned into wine was fresh wine and can never intoxicate becos grape juice does not intoxicate but when it ferments'expect anything from it !
God HELP US