haibe:

angels are not disembodied spirits, the term disembodied spirit came from the mythology of ghosts and the false belief that the spirit in man is a person and immortal.

Angels have spiritual bodies or what the bible also calls heavenly body, because you can't see their body doesn't mean they do not have bodies.

Not everyone will be ressurected as spiritual, immortal beings, only the saint will be ressurected as spiritual beings, the rest are ressurected in w physical, mortal body that can die the second death after further judgments have taken place

i fix it for you

World English Dictionary
disembodied (ˌdɪsɪmˈbɒdɪd)

— adj
1. lacking a body or freed from the body; incorporeal
2. lacking in substance, solidity, or any firm relation to reality

Itsfacts:

no he did not materialize. he was flesh and bone and he said he is not a spirit or spirit being.

spirit in the kjv could mean ghost too because both terms were similar and so we have something like: holy ghost and holy spirit.

In other new traslations you will find the word ghost because this is what Jesus actually meant.

he wasn't a ghost (disembodied spirit of the deceased), he was alive as a spiritual being.

Itsfacts:

i fix it for you

World English Dictionary
disembodied (ˌdɪsɪmˈbɒdɪd)

— adj
1. lacking a body or freed from the body; incorporeal
2. lacking in substance, solidity, or any firm relation to reality

the point is you can't call angels disembodied spirits because they have their own bodies, you would only be deceiving yourself thinking they don't have a body.

If there was a word like "disphysicalbody", then you would be right calling them that but you can't be right saying they don't have bodies because they do.

haibe:

the point is you can't call angels disembodied spirits because they have their own bodies, you would only be deceiving yourself thinking they don't have a body.

If there was a word like "disphysicalbody", then you would be right calling them that but you can't be right saying they don't have bodies because they do.

spirits dont have bodies whether angels or anything you call spirit... they have to materialize to be have bodies.

i fix for you again.
bod·y (bd)
n. pl. bod·ies
1.
a. The entire material or physical structure of an organism, especially of a human or animal.
b. The physical part of a person.
c. A corpse or carcass.
2.
a. The trunk or torso of a human or animal.
b. The part of a garment covering the torso.
3.
a. A human; a person.
b. A group of individuals regarded as an entity; a corporation.
4. A number of persons, concepts, or things regarded as a group: We walked out in a body.
5. The main or central part, as:
a. Anatomy The largest or principal part of an organ; corpus.
b. The nave of a church.
c. The content of a book or document exclusive of prefatory matter, codicils, indexes, or appendixes.
d. The passenger- and cargo-carrying part of an aircraft, ship, or other vehicle.
e. Music The sound box of an instrument.
6. A mass of matter that is distinct from other masses: a body of water; a celestial body.
7. A collection or quantity, as of material or information: the body of evidence.
8. Consistency of substance, as in paint, textiles, or wine: a sauce with body.
9. Printing The part of a block of type underlying the impression surface.
tr.v. bod·ied, bod·y·ing, bod·ies
1. To furnish with a body.
2. To give shape to. Usually used with forth:

tell me which of all the meanings that fits a spirit.
a body should alway be a material substance

@itsfact what then is this heavenly body the bible talks about in 1 Corinthians 15 ??

human beings who wrote the dictionary do not need to know about heavenly/spiritual bodies since some of them may have never even heard of it.

haibe: @itsfact what then is this heavenly body the bible talks about in 1 Corinthians 15 ??

human beings who wrote the dictionary do not need to know about heavenly/spiritual bodies since some of them may have never even heard of it.

this excuse has failed

Itsfacts:

this excuse has failed

the problem you have is that you are unable to differentiate the "suposed disembodied spirit of the dead" and "spirit beings".

If "all spirits" don't have bodies, then there won't be any need to qualify some with the adjective "disembodied"

If spirits in general don't have bodies, then it will be tautological to term some "disembodied spirits" since all don't have bodies.

In order words if all spirits dont have body, what is the essence or terming some "disembodied spirits"? its just like saying "night vigil" when we know vigil happens at night

The point is there is a mythical disembodied spirit of the dead (ghost) and spirit beings who have bodies that are invisible to human beings

the former (ghost) is a mythology because the dead are asleep in their grave and unconscious while the latter (spirit beings) is a reality.

haibe:

the problem you have is that you are unable to differentiate the "suposed disembodied spirit of the dead" and "spirit beings".

If "all spirits" don't have bodies, then there won't be any need to qualify some with the adjective "disembodied"

If spirits in general don't have bodies, then it will be tautological to term some "disembodied spirits" since all don't have bodies.

In order words is all spirits dont have body, what is the essence or terming some "disembodied spirits"?

The point is there is a mytyical disembodied spirit of the dead (ghost) and spirit beings who have bodies that are invisible to human beings

the former (ghost) is a mythology because the dead are asleep in their grave and unconscious while the latter (spirit beings) is a reality.

spirits are disembodied all kind... the are like wind.

all spirits are disembodied. can you see the wind? that is how they all are. they only have body when they materialize.

understand what body means or is. there is nothing like disembodied spirits. but spirits are disembodied. disembodied is a word on its own. no such word like disembodied spirit. you can say disembodied dead people but not disembodied spirit. it does not make sense and it is err.

Itsfacts:

spirits are disembodied all kind... the are like wind.

all spirits are disembodied. can you see the wind? that is how they all are. they only have body when they materialize.

understand what body means or is. there is nothing like disembodied spirits. but spirits are disembodied. disembodied is a word on its own. no such word like disembodied spirit. you can say disembodied dead people but not disembodied spirit. it does not make sense and it is err.

noun (plural ghosts):

The DISEMBODIED SPIRIT; the soul or spirit of a deceased person; a spirit appearing after death; an apparition; a specter.



ARE YOU TELLING ME A WHOLE DICTIONARY WHICH IS MEANT TO ENLIGHTEN PEOPLE IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE IS WRONG BY USING THE TERM "DISEMBODIED SPIRIT"??

you must be a joker.

the fact that it is qualified with disembodied means there are spirits that have bodies if not there won't be any need to qualify the word spirit with DISEMBODIED. because it will be tautological.

haibe:


noun (plural ghosts):

The DISEMBODIED SPIRIT; the soul or spirit of a deceased person; a spirit appearing after death; an apparition; a specter.



ARE YOU TELLING ME A WHOLE DICTIONARY WHICH IS MEANT TO ENLIGHTEN PEOPLE IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE IS WRONG BY USING THE TERM "DISEMBODIED SPIRIT"??

you must be a joker.

the fact that it is qualified with disembodied means there are spirits that have bodies if not there won't be any need to qualify the word spirit with DISEMBODIED. because it will be tautological.

now the dictionary people are right. did you say this about the dictionary people?

haibe:

@itsfact what then is this heavenly body the bible talks about in 1 Corinthians 15 ??

human beings who wrote the dictionary do not need to know about heavenly/spiritual bodies since some of them may have never even heard of it.

i wont reply again.
i asked jman a question that shows further that the body will rice. and we will be flesh transformed into a glorious way. filled with the holy spirit that makes it spiritual body, glorious body etc. job says after his skin is destroyed(decay) he will see God from his flesh.
isaiah says
Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise jman says the dead corpses will not rise but spirit being of them will pop out.

https://www.nairaland.com/1466539/ghosts-really-exist-according-bible/5#18669651

Itsfacts:

now the dictionary people are right. did you say this about the dictionary people?

and did I say they are wrong? why do yoi quote out of context, I said the people who wrote dictionary did not need to know about spiritual body and that doesn't mean the angels don't have spiritual body, how is this saying they are wrong for anything. ?

the issue here is not even definitions, it is use of English, if all spirits don't have bodies, then it will be tautological for the dictionary to use disembodied spirit.

please don't quote me if you don't have anything meaningful to reply.

by the way the topic of this thread should be maintained, you can create another thread for the issue of spiritual bodies.

Itsfacts: filled with the holy spirit that makes it spiritual body,

if this is what makes the spiritual body it means we already have the spiritual body.

or aren't you aware that some Christians are filled with the holy ghost?

so it means we already have the spiritual body? lol you are confused.

haibe:

if this is what makes the spiritual body it means we already have the spiritual body.

or aren't you aware that some Christians are filled with the holy ghost?

so it means we already have the spiritual body? lol you are confused.

no. because not everyone have the spirit or are sons of God. after the resurrection you will see wonders. the gift will manifest and our body will be perfect better than that adam first had.

remember adam had flesh and was not spirit he was immortal then he sinned. so why do we need to drop out body to be immortal again?

Itsfacts:

no. because not everyone have the spirit or are sons of God. after the resurrection you will see wonders. the gift will manifest and our body will be perfect better than that adam first had.

this is not what the bible says, it says we will be changed from a physical body to a spiritual body not that holy spirit will make us spiritual body, that is false.

Itsfacts:

remember adam had flesh and was not spirit he was immortal then he sinned. so why do we need to drop out body to be immortal again?

because that is how God wants it, he wants us to be like the angels.

Neither can they die anymore: for they are
equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection .
(Luke 20:36)

For in the resurrection they neither marry,
nor are given in marriage, but are as the
angels of God in heaven. (Mattew 22:30)

If we are still ressurecting in a physical body then we cannot be like the angels in heaven.

haibe:

this is not what the bible says, it says we will be changed from a physical body to a spiritual body not that holy spirit will make us spiritual body, that is false.

did i argue? the spiritual dont mean we will turn to spirit. you dont know what it is. but paul describe it in revelation. and paul see jesus with the wounds in revelation. the bible still calls jesus man not spirit or what ever. he is a man in heaven. angels are not men we turn to spirit like them it means we change from man to spirit beings like angels.

what did job tell you when he resurrect? he will see God from his flesh. case close

Itsfacts:

did i argue? the spiritual dont mean we will turn to spirit. you dont know what it is. but paul describe it in revelation. and paul see jesus with the wounds in revelation. the bible still calls jesus man not spirit or what ever. he is a man in heaven. angels are not men we turn to spirit like them it means we change from man to spirit beings like angels.

what did job tell you when he resurrect? he will see God from his flesh. case close

please repeat yourself, are you saying Jesus is a man in heaven or you are just joking?

haibe:

please repeat yourself, are you saying Jesus is a man in heaven or you are just joking?

what is he?

haibe:

angels are not disembodied spirits, the term disembodied spirit came from the mythology of ghosts and the false belief that the spirit in man is a person and immortal.

Angels have spiritual bodies or what the bible also calls heavenly body, because you can't see their body doesn't mean they do not have bodies.

Not everyone will be ressurected as spiritual, immortal beings, only the saint will be ressurected as spiritual beings, the rest are ressurected in w physical, mortal body that can die the second death after further judgments have taken place

cool

Itsfacts:
what is he?

the same person he was before coming in form of a man; a spiritual being.

haibe:

the same person he was before coming in form of a man; a spiritual being.

so which lamb did Paul saw in heaven in the form as it was slain ?

Itsfacts:

so which lamb did Paul saw in heaven in the form as it was slain ?

its john not paul.

So you think john was referring to a literal lamb?

haibe:

its john not paul.

So you think john was referring to a literal lamb?

how will i think so? jesus is the lamb. i am asking how did he see the lamb standing by the right hand of God?

Itsfacts:

how will i think so? jesus is the lamb. i am asking how did he see the lamb standing by the right hand of God?

he didn't see Jesus literally standing at the right hand of God, what you don't know is that 'the right hand" signifies a place of honour or exaltation(1Kings 2:19; Mattew 20:21-23 ).

Jesus was exalted by God after his ascension, that is what it means to be standing or seated at the right hand of God, its nothing literal, if it were literal, another passage says he is seated at the right hand of God, how is it possible to be seated and standing at the right hand of God at the same time since they are mutually exclusive, in order words Jesus can't be seated and standing at the same time, seating/standing at the right hand of God signifies honour if not we would have millions of people seating at the right hand or God (Mattew 20:21-23).

please Jesus is not a man in heaven, heaven is a spiritual place meant for spiritual beings, flesh and blood cannot inherit it.

So Whenever the bible says Jesus is seated or standing at the right hand of God, it doesn't mean he is a man standing literally at God's throne but that He (Jesus) is exalted in the throne of heaven.

64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied.
“But I say to all of you: From now on you will
see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand
of the Mighty One and coming on the
clouds of heaven.”

Obviously they did not look up into heaven seeing a man standing at the right hand of a throne in heaven but at his second coming they will see that Jesus has been exalted in heaven.

haibe:

he didn't see Jesus literally standing at the right hand of God, what you don't know is that 'the right hand" signifies a place of honour or exaltation(1Kings 2:19; Mattew 20:21-23 ).

Jesus was exalted by God after his ascension, that is what it means to be standing or seated at the right hand of God, its nothing literal, if it were literal, another passage says he is seated at the right hand of God, how is it possible to be seated and standing at the right hand of God at the same time since they are mutually exclusive, in order words Jesus can't be seated and standing at the same time, seating/standing at the right hand of God signifies honour if not we would have millions of people seating at the right hand or God (Mattew 20:21-23).

please Jesus is not a man in heaven, heaven is a spiritual place meant for spiritual beings, flesh and blood cannot inherit it.

So Whenever the bible says Jesus is seated or standing at the right hand of God, it doesn't mean he is a man standing literally at God's throne but that He (Jesus) is exalted in the throne of heaven.

64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied.
“But I say to all of you: From now on you will
see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand
of the Mighty One and coming on the
clouds of heaven.”

Obviously they did not look up into heaven seeing a man standing at the right hand of a throne in heaven but at his second coming they will see that Jesus has been exalted in heaven.

all power in heaven and on earth created for him and by him. Standing at the right hand of God means he has been given all power and authority.

you did not address the point. Paul sees him the lamb as it was slain.
job said is destroyed skin will be restored and he will see God from his flesh, asaiah said dead corpses will arise.
jman say no need for corpses to arise. The people with body will drop it. the contradiction. The contradiction oh the contradiction

Itsfacts:

how will i think so? jesus is the lamb. i am asking how did he see the lamb standing by the right hand of God?

this was your question and you are saying I did not address it, you said how did see the lamb standing at d right hand of God' and I gave you an answer.

Itsfacts:
all power in heaven and on earth created for him and by him. Standing at the right hand of God means he has been given all power and authority.

you did not address the point. Paul sees him the lamb as it was slain.
job said is destroyed skin will be restored and he will see God from his flesh, asaiah said dead corpses will arise.
jman say no need for corpses to arise. The people with body will drop it. the contradiction. The contradiction oh the contradiction

Jesus is the lamb of God that was slain, how is this confusing you? john saw Jesus (the lamb that was slain), did he say Jesus is a man in heaven? I don't understand you oo

haibe:

and did I say they are wrong? why do yoi quote out of context, I said the people who wrote dictionary did not need to know about spiritual body and that doesn't mean the angels don't have spiritual body, how is this saying they are wrong for anything. ?

the issue here is not even definitions, it is use of English, if all spirits don't have bodies, then it will be tautological for the dictionary to use disembodied spirit.

please don't quote me if you don't have anything meaningful to reply.

by the way the topic of this thread should be maintained, you can create another thread for the issue of spiritual bodies.

@Haibe: You speak from the both sides of your mouth. You just want to win an argument at all cost. You should sometimes pause and learn.

haibe:

this was your question and you are saying I did not address it, you said how did see the lamb standing at d right hand of God' and I gave you an answer.

compression banta.
i am not asking you about the standing at the right hand.

the question is the lamb that was slain. He saw the lamb in the way it was slain. You did not address this. Instead you address another thing which is Christ standing at the right hand.

Itsfacts:

compression banta.
i am not asking you about the standing at the right hand.

the question is the lamb that was slain. He saw the lamb in the way it was slain. You did not address this. Instead you address another thing which is Christ standing at the right hand.

mr man I have answered you, read again.

ravgach:

@Haibe: You speak from the both sides of your mouth. You just want to win an argument at all cost. You should sometimes pause and learn.

what an irony, I should be telling you this, the bible talks of heavenly body and you guys say it doesn't exist because it is not in the dictionary, you are a case seriously.