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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by DerideGull(m): 1:53pm On Oct 02, 2013
Katsumoto:

Luckham addressed mainly the composition of the plotters. He explains how the ‘the right conditions for forming peer groups could have been developed by some of the plotters attending Sandhurst. And that being from the same tribe would have made it easier for them to plan a coup. Luckham then explains how the Ewes in Ghana planned the February 66 coup in Ghana and were able to embark on a successful political programme. He reasons that since the coup wasn’t successful, we wouldn’t know how successful their reforms would have been.

He mentions that the Igbo soldiers were mostly to be the group affected by any interference from Northern ministers. He admits that the officers would be concerned about the security of their own careers. He talks about how Ironsi being in tears when meeting with ministers made it seem like he wasn’t aware of the plan but Luckham then states that Ironsi was most likely briefed about the coup by Njoku which is consistent with his actions on the night of the coup.

I have to disagree with Luckham because:

1. After Balewa had been killed, NPC, the majority party caucused and selected Dipcharima as its nominee to replace Balewa. NCNC, which was the junior partner, also caucused and selected Mbadiwe. Why was the NCNC, which was predominantly an Eastern party caucusing to select the PM, after Eastern sons had murdered in cold blood,the PM who was from the North? Was it the NCNC that selected Balewa in the first place?

2. After Dipcharima had been selected by the NPC, Orizu said he needed to speak with Zik first before swearing in Dipcharima. After speaking with Zik, he preferred to handover to Ironsi. All three actions to deny the Northerners power on that day were taken by Igbo sons –
a) The plotters
b) Orizu/Zik
c) Ironsi who seized power for himself

3. The Ewes and the Igbos are not the same; there weren’t too many similarities between Ghana and Nigeria in that era. How does Luckham know what Ifeajuna would have done if he had succeeded. In any case, the Ewes were accused of domination afterwards.

4. Luckham does not fully address the composition of the murdered politicians and Soldiers. He states that afterall, they killed Unegbe who is from their ethnic group. He claims that friendliness may have been responsible for the inability of the plotters to kill Igbo officers such as Njoku, Anwuna, and Imo.

5. Luckham also ignores the constitutional crisis of January 1965 and the elction fiasco of 1964; the deteriorating relationship between NCNC and NPC since the Census in 1962 and Zik’s annoyance at returning Akintola as premier of the West

6. Luckham ignores the absence of Zik from the country and does not explore the relationship between Zik and Ifeajuna. Ajuluchukwu, who was Zik’s right hand man, stated publicly that Ifeajuna was Zik’s cousin. He also assigns little importance to the visit by Ifeajuna to Okpara, although he admits that some commentators took that as complicity on Okpara’s part.

7. Nzeogwu and Nwobosi were both of the view that the execution of the coup in the South was tribalistic and incompetent; Luckham sees Nzeogwu’s assessment as harsh

8. Luckham provides that Ironsi’s explanation for escaping with his life was contradictory; Ironsi had more than one story

9. Luckham puts the failure of the plotters to kill Ironsi before his junior officers as bad planning. Was that really bad planning?

10. Luckham couldn’t see that there were two different objectives for the coup and lumped them together – Nzeogwu’s noble and patriotic act & Ifeajuna’s ethnically motivated murders and power grabbing

11. Igbo actions after the coup
a) Decree 34 – unifying the civil service under Nwokedi
b) Advisory group – all Igbo
c) Lifting the moratorium on promotions with 76% of promotions going to Igbo
d) Exporting civil servants from Enugu to Kaduna and Lagos

Well, Luckham is at liberty to reach his own conclusions just as I am at liberty to reach my own conclusions. My opinion and analyses is merely academic at this point. In 1966, those who felt it was an Igbo coup took action.



Above crap is another attempt to be smart instead you exposed lack of knowledge about the subject matter. There is no doubt you know little or nothing about coalition process as evidenced in your silly niche to obfuscate.

In the #1 stanza of your load of rubbish, you claimed NPC was a majority party. Also in your deceitful manner, you said NCNC was the junior partner in the coalition government. I guess you need to reeducate yourself on the issues of parliamentary system of government. If a party wins the majority seats in parliamentary election, such party forms the government.

However, if any party did not win majority seats, the parties are allowed to form coalition to forge a majority and form government. In most case, the party that won largest number of seats may turn out as minority party if it fails to form a coalition with other parties.

For example, NPC won the largest number of seats but did not have enough number to declare it majority. Also, NCNC won considerable number of seats but not enough to declare majority. So did AG. If AG and NCNC had successfully formed coalition, NPC would have been a minority party in the parliament even it won the largest number of seats.

Now it is really foolish attempt to conclude that NPC was a majority party and NCNC a junior partner when indeed NPC was mere coalition partner with NCNC. By the way, you can not have a majority part and junior partner. It is either a majority or minority and senior partner or junior partner based on the lexicon.

I shall not attempt to speculate whatever arrangements NPC and NCNC made in order to form a coalition government. However it turned out NPC produced the Prime Minister while NCNC produced the President and Rank Minister (Deputy Prime Minister).

It is funny you asked the question “Was it the NCNC that selected Balewa in the first place?” This question showed you are barrenly clueless about the process of coalition government. The coalition process that saw the Prime Minister and Ranking Minister were firstly carried out by caucus of each party in the coalition. NPC produced Tafawa Balewa and NCNC produced KO Mbadiwe. During the joint caucuses of the two parties, Belawa emerged as the Prime Minister and Mbadiwe as the Ranking Minister.

Firstly, there should have been no need for caucusing at the time in point if certain section of the country did not think that British had created Nigeria for them to rule. There was a ranking minister who had deputized for the Prime Minister in various ministerial meetings. The situation in the country called for the Ranking Minister to continue as Prime Minister until new election is scheduled.

The statements in your #2 stanza were another conjectural crap from the figment of imagination of a tribal bigot. In the scheme of things of the era in discussion, Zana Dipcharima was a junior minister and had been a minister of state under KO Mbadiwe.

It is complete fallacy to say “After Dipcharima had been selected by the NPC, Orizu said he needed to speak with Zik first before swearing in Dipcharima”. The Yoruba peeps will bear any form of falsehood to appear relevant. Nowo Omoigui has been forced to recount much of these craps after faced with facts not fictions.

NPC has no constitutional pedigree to select Prime Ministerial candidate without the consent of NCNC that was a partner in the coalition government. The fact remains that NPC caucus presented Dipcharima while NCNC caucus presented Mbadiwe. Orizu rightfully informed the coalition parties to reach a consensus on one candidate. Since the two parties could not reach a consensus on the candidates and coupled with coup, the parliament was dissolved, hence the handover of power to entity that was capable of restoring peace and order in the country.

All other stanzas in the junk above are silly jokes meant for animal farm.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 2:36pm On Oct 02, 2013
pazienza: I have to point out many of katz conjectures and half truths,so here we go:

1. Is there any rule that says that NCNC cannot aspire to lead the coalition and only NPC can aspire to?

2. How do we logically link the aspiration of NCNC to lead the coalition with the coup
?

3. Apart from your propaganda sites,can we get a recorded evidence where Orizu told the northern leaders than he has to consult Zik first, or is this one akin to the self made story of a yoruba man deciding to die with Ironsi. Did Orizu himself say this to you,or northerners did?

4. Did you really try to find out if Ifeajuna was really Zik's cousine? Or could it be that you are already biased,and already have a pre conceived notion, therefore will take any account that supports your biased,even if they are from an 'enemy' camp and are false?

5. Can we hear this Ironsi contradictory versions of the story that luckham alluded to, considering that Ironsi is now deceased, a recorded voice or video evidence will suffix.

1 & 2. NCNC couldn't lead the coalition because it couldn't form the government without NPC. NPC on the otherhand had a majority with its alliance with NNDP. There were also two issues wrong with the first two questions – a) The PM from the North was killed by Igbo sons and (b)the PM was from the party that won most seats in the 1959 & 64/65 elections. Of course you wouldn’t see anything wrong in it, just as the NCNC ministers in 1966 didn’t. Your lust for power and your greed will never allow you your senses and your brain to realize what is just and fair. Once you see an opportunity, you go for it. You couldn’t defeat him at the polls or negotiate yourselves into power so you send one of your sons to waste the lives of the PM and others. In most places, people are shocked beyond words at the murder of high ranking officials but not you folks. Balewa and a host of other innocent people had been murdered in cold blood but the Igbo leaders didn’t care. All that was in their minds was ‘this is a fantastic opportunity for us.’ The simple truth is that some of you are so greedy that you covet what belongs to others. Little wonder you have been shouting yourself hoarse about Lagos. Plain and simple – at worst, you are already a thief and at best a potential thief.

3. In July 2000, at a public book launching ceremony in Nigeria, Chief Richard Akinjide stated:
"Talking on the first coup, when Balewa got missing, we knew Okotie-Eboh had been held, we knew Akintola had been killed. We, the members of the Balewa cabinet started meeting. But how can you have a cabinet meeting without the Prime Minister acting or Prime Minister presiding. So, unanimously, we nominated acting Prime Minister amongst us. Then we continued holding our meetings. Then we got a message that we should all assemble at the Cabinet office. All the Ministers were requested by the G.O.C. of the Nigerian Army, General Ironsi to assemble. What was amazing at that time was that Ironsi was going all over Lagos unarmed. We assembled there. Having nominated ZANA Diphcharima as our acting Prime Minister in the absence of the Prime Minister, whose whereabout we didn't know, we approached the acting President, Nwafor Orizu to swear him in because he cannot legitimately act as the Prime Minister except he is sworn- in. Nwafor Orizu refused. He said he needed to contact Zik who was then in West Indies.

You can also see page 24 of Robin Luckham's book. I have attached a screenshot below

4. The words of Ajuluchukwu are good enough for me. He was afterall an NCNC chieftain and one of Azikiwe’s closest lieutenants.

5. You want video evidence, why don’t you go and dig up Ironsi’s body and ask him instead. Video evidence ko, teleconference ni. The problem is that you are lazy and refuse to read. You question everything that is presented to you. You challenge books, websites. You need to hear everything yourself. You want video evidence. It is clear you didn't go to school or you went to a mushroom school. Do you want Video evidence that Julius Caesar was a Roman Emperor?

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 2:50pm On Oct 02, 2013
DerideGull:



Above crap is another attempt to be smart instead you exposed lack knowledge about the subject matter. There is no doubt you know little or nothing about coalition process as evidenced in your silly niche to obfuscate.

In the #1 stanza of your load of rubbish, you claimed NPC was a majority party. Also in your deceitful manner, you said NCNC was the junior partner in the coalition government. I guess you need to reeducate yourself on the issues of parliamentary system of government. If a party wins the majority seats in parliamentary election, such party forms the government.

However, if any party did not win majority seats, the parties are allowed to form coalition to forge a majority and form government. In most case, the party that won largest number of seats may turn out as minority party if it fails to form a coalition with other parties.

For example, NPC won the largest number of seats but did not have enough number to declare it majority. Also, NCNC won considerable number of seats but not enough to declare majority. So did AG. If AG and NCNC had successfully formed coalition, NPC would have been a minority party in the parliament even it won the largest number of seats.

Now it is really foolish attempt to conclude that NPC was a majority party and NCNC a junior partner when indeed NPC was mere coalition partner with NCNC. By the way, you can not have a majority part and junior partner. It is either a majority or minority and senior partner or junior partner based on the lexicon.

I shall not attempt to speculate whatever arrangements NPC and NCNC made in order to form a coalition government. However it turned out NPC produced the Prime Minister while NCNC produced the President and Rank Minister (Deputy Prime Minister).

It is funny you asked the question “Was it the NCNC that selected Balewa in the first place?” This question showed you are barrenly clueless about the process of coalition government. The coalition process that saw the Prime Minister and Ranking Minister were firstly carried out by caucus of each party in the coalition. NPC produced Tafawa Balewa and NCNC produced KO Mbadiwe. During the joint caucuses of the two parties, Belawa emerged as the Prime Minister and Mbadiwe as the Ranking Minister.

Firstly, there should have been no need for caucusing at the time in point if certain section of the country did not think that British had created Nigeria for them to rule. There was a ranking minister who had deputized for the Prime Minister in various ministerial meetings. The situation in the country called for the Ranking Minister to continue as Prime Minister until new election is scheduled.

The statements in your #2 stanza were another conjectural crap from the figment of imagination of a tribal bigot. In the scheme of things of the era in discussion, Zana Dipcharima was a junior minister and had been a minister of state under KO Mbadiwe.

It is complete fallacy to say “After Dipcharima had been selected by the NPC, Orizu said he needed to speak with Zik first before swearing in Dipcharima”. The Yoruba peeps will bear any form of falsehood to appear relevant. Nowo Omoigui has been forced to recount much of these craps after faced with facts not fictions.

NPC has no constitutional pedigree to select Prime Ministerial candidate without the consent of NCNC that was a partner in the coalition government. The fact remains that NPC caucus presented Dipcharima while NCNC caucus presented Mbadiwe. Orizu rightfully informed the coalition parties to reach a consensus on one candidate. Since the two parties could not reach a consensus on the candidates and coupled with coup, the parliament was dissolved, hence the handover of power to entity that was capable of restoring peace and order in the country.

All other stanzas in the junk above are silly jokes meant for animal farm.

Your problem is that you think yourself too important to assimilate information from outside Alaigbo.

Angela Merkel's party won the elections last Sunday but didn't get the majority. Why is the SPD, which came second not forming the government? The Tories won the last elections but didn't get the majority. It formed a coalition with the Lib dems but the Tories selected the PM. Why not the libdems? If something were to happen to Cameron today, do you think the libdems would select the PM?

Now to clear your ignorance. The NCNC couldn't form the government in 1964 because there was no way for it to achieve a majority. NPC won 38%, Akintola's NNDP won 15%, AG won 9%, Northern Progessive front won 5%, Midwest Democratic won 2%. The coalition of NPC and NNDP was a majority; so how was NCNC going to form a government with no majority? Please educate yourself before commenting on these issues that are clearly above your head. NCNC had no business trying to select the PM when it had no clear way to form a government.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Nobody: 3:09pm On Oct 02, 2013
Katsumoto:

Your problem is that you think yourself too important to assimilate information from outside Alaigbo.

Angela Merkel's party won the elections last Sunday but didn't get the majority. Why is the SPD, which came second not forming the government? The Tories won the last elections but didn't get the majority. It formed a coalition with the Lib dems but the Tories selected the PM. Why not the libdems? If something were to happen to Cameron today, do you think the libdems would select the PM?

Now to clear your ignorance. The NCNC couldn't form the government in 1964 because there was no way for it to achieve a majority. NPC won 38%, Akintola's NNDP won 15%, AG won 9%, Northern Progessive front won 5%, Midwest Democratic won 2%. The coalition of NPC and NNDP was a majority; so how was NCNC going to form a government with no majority? Please educate yourself before commenting on these issues that are clearly above your head. NCNC had no business trying to select the PM when it had no clear way to form a government.

You can't accuse him exclusively on that.....majority of them are guilty of that.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by papparatzzi2013: 3:16pm On Oct 02, 2013
Katsumoto:

Your problem is that you think yourself too important to assimilate information from outside Alaigbo.

Angela Merkel's party won the elections last Sunday but didn't get the majority. Why is the SPD, which came second not forming the government? The Tories won the last elections but didn't get the majority. It formed a coalition with the Lib dems but the Tories selected the PM. Why not the libdems? If something were to happen to Cameron today, do you think the libdems would select the PM?

Now to clear your ignorance. The NCNC couldn't form the government in 1964 because there was no way for it to achieve a majority. NPC won 38%, Akintola's NNDP won 15%, AG won 9%, Northern Progessive front won 5%, Midwest Democratic won 2%. The coalition of NPC and NNDP was a majority; so how was NCNC going to form a government with no majority? Please educate yourself before commenting on these issues that are clearly above your head. NCNC had no business trying to select the PM when it had no clear way to form a government.

Actually when I read his last response, I felt he was either playing pranks or he lacks understanding of simple English.

Na u get in tym. His idiocy is there for all to see. Just as their nature, they do not see beyond their nose. The same mistake their leaders made way back and is sad, generations after are following suit.

Greed and covetousness will everly be their bane, Achilles heel and downfall. God Almighty had to even put that on Moses tablet to show how He the Mighty One of Israel detest it.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by naijaking1: 3:22pm On Oct 02, 2013
Katsumoto: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dude stop the emotional BS. Point out the lies or inaccuracies in my comments already or let it go.

Are you kidding me?
You are the one writing with so much passion, fear,hatred of Igbos that you have gone through all the phases of emotion. Maybe you don't know that hatred just like love is a form of emotions

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by DerideGull(m): 4:06pm On Oct 02, 2013
Katsumoto:

1 & 2. NCNC couldn't lead the coalition because it couldn't form the government without NPC. NPC on the otherhand had a majority with its alliance with NNDP. There were also two issues wrong with the first two questions – a) The PM from the North was killed by Igbo sons and (b)the PM was from the party that won most seats in the 1959 & 64/65 elections. Of course you wouldn’t see anything wrong in it, just as the NCNC ministers in 1966 didn’t. Your lust for power and your greed will never allow you your senses and your brain to realize what is just and fair. Once you see an opportunity, you go for it. You couldn’t defeat him at the polls or negotiate yourselves into power so you send one of your sons to waste the lives of the PM and others. In most places, people are shocked beyond words at the murder of high ranking officials but not you folks. Balewa and a host of other innocent people had been murdered in cold blood but the Igbo leaders didn’t care. All that was in their minds was ‘this is a fantastic opportunity for us.’ The simple truth is that some of you are so greedy that you covet what belongs to others. Little wonder you have been shouting yourself hoarse about Lagos. Plain and simple – at worst, you are already a thief and at best a potential thief.

3. In July 2000, at a public book launching ceremony in Nigeria, Chief Richard Akinjide stated:
"Talking on the first coup, when Balewa got missing, we knew Okotie-Eboh had been held, we knew Akintola had been killed. We, the members of the Balewa cabinet started meeting. But how can you have a cabinet meeting without the Prime Minister acting or Prime Minister presiding. So, unanimously, we nominated acting Prime Minister amongst us. Then we continued holding our meetings. Then we got a message that we should all assemble at the Cabinet office. All the Ministers were requested by the G.O.C. of the Nigerian Army, General Ironsi to assemble. What was amazing at that time was that Ironsi was going all over Lagos unarmed. We assembled there. Having nominated ZANA Diphcharima as our acting Prime Minister in the absence of the Prime Minister, whose whereabout we didn't know, we approached the acting President, Nwafor Orizu to swear him in because he cannot legitimately act as the Prime Minister except he is sworn- in. Nwafor Orizu refused. He said he needed to contact Zik who was then in West Indies.

You can also see page 24 of Robin Luckham's book. I have attached a screenshot below

4. The words of Ajuluchukwu are good enough for me. He was afterall an NCNC chieftain and one of Azikiwe’s closest lieutenants.

5. You want video evidence, why don’t you go and dig up Ironsi’s body and ask him instead. Video evidence ko, teleconference ni. The problem is that you are lazy and refuse to read. You question everything that is presented to you. You challenge books, websites. You need to hear everything yourself. You want video evidence. It is clear you didn't go to school or you went to a mushroom school. Do you want Video evidence that Julius Caesar was a Roman Emperor?




Above is simply a joke and attempt to confuse ill-educated jokers abounded on this forum. NCNC could have formed coalition with AG if Awolowo was honest and not a tribal bigot. In such coalition, NCNC would have been the senior partner. Due to doubletalk embarked by the AG leaders, the NCNC leadership decided to form coalition with NPC for the government that produced Tafawa Belawa as Prime Minister.

In addition, only Yoruba people who are known as tribal bigots will take Richard Akinjide seriously. What else more does a person expect from a character such as Richard Akinjide who decamped from NCNC due to tribal reason than a fabricated crap such as the bolded in above post?

It is funny you can attach a nonsensical conjecture from Robin Luckham’s book but could not attach the list of officers in Nigerian armed forces prior January 15, 1966 as you claimed. Since such list is not forthcoming from you or Robin Luckham, I have concluded it does not exist.

It is equally good to note that there was a line in the appended crap from Robin Luckham which reads, “in any case the cabinet was unable to agree on whom to appoint”. The line has rubbish everything you have posted so far on this discussion and goofy crap from Richard Akinjide. If NPC was majority as you would want us to believe, why did the cabinet unable to agree on whom to appoint as Prime Minister?

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by DerideGull(m): 4:12pm On Oct 02, 2013
Katsumoto:

Your problem is that you think yourself too important to assimilate information from outside Alaigbo.

Angela Merkel's party won the elections last Sunday but didn't get the majority. Why is the SPD, which came second not forming the government? The Tories won the last elections but didn't get the majority. It formed a coalition with the Lib dems but the Tories selected the PM. Why not the libdems? If something were to happen to Cameron today, do you think the libdems would select the PM?

Now to clear your ignorance. The NCNC couldn't form the government in 1964 because there was no way for it to achieve a majority. NPC won 38%, Akintola's NNDP won 15%, AG won 9%, Northern Progessive front won 5%, Midwest Democratic won 2%. The coalition of NPC and NNDP was a majority; so how was NCNC going to form a government with no majority? Please educate yourself before commenting on these issues that are clearly above your head. NCNC had no business trying to select the PM when it had no clear way to form a government.


It appears you derive joy by exposing your ignorance on the subject matter. I guess you are the only person in Nigeria who did not know Nigeria government of 1966 was a government forged on the coalition between NPC and NCNC.

Again, there is a difference between a coalition and an alliance. I am not interested in going in details on this subject because of considerable number of donkeys that have hopped onto this debate.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 4:16pm On Oct 02, 2013
DerideGull:


Above is simply a joke and attempt to confuse ill-educated jokers abounded on this forum. NCNC could have formed coalition with AG if Awolowo was honest and not a tribal bigot. In such coalition, NCNC would have been the senior partner. Due to doubletalk embarked by the AG leaders, the NCNC leadership decided to form coalition with NPC for the government that produced Tafawa Belawa as Prime Minister.

In addition, only Yoruba people who are known as tribal bigots will take Richard Akinjide seriously. What else more does a person expect from character such as Richard Akinjide who decamped from NCNC due to tribal reason than fabricated crap such as the bolded in above post?

It is funny you can attach a nonsensical conjecture from Robin Luckham’s book but could not attach the list of officers in Nigerian armed forces prior January 15, 1966 as you claimed. Since such list is not forthcoming from you or Robin Luckham, I have concluded it does not exist.

In 1966, after the 1964/65 elections, can you tell us how NCNC and its allies could have formed the government with 37% of the vote? I hope this isn't going to be one of those situations where you use big words and grammar to dance around the question but not address it.

See election results below. NPC/NNDP won 63% of the vote. They didn't need NCNC to form a government.

http://africanelections.tripod.com/ng_detail.html#1964_House_of_Representatives_Election

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 4:19pm On Oct 02, 2013
DerideGull:


It appears you derive joy by exposing your ignorance on the subject matter. I guess you are the only person in Nigeria who did not know Nigeria government of 1966 was a government forged on the coalition between NPC and NCNC.

Again, there is a difference between a coalition and an alliance. I am not interested in going in details on this subject because of considerable number of donkeys that have hopped onto this debate.

How could it have been a coalition if NPC/NNDP achieved a majority without NCNC? You are a joke; Balewa's magnanimity was the reason NCNC ministers were in government. I ask you again, if NPC/NNDP achieved a majority, how was NCNC going to form a government without a majority?

See below

The election was postponed for several weeks because of discrepancies between the number of names on voting rolls and on census returns. Even then the UPGA was not satisfied and called on its supporters to boycott the election. The boycott was effective in the Eastern Region, where polling places did not open in fifty-one constituencies that had more than one candidate running for office. In other constituencies in the region, UPGA candidates ran unopposed. Nationwide, only 4 million voters cast ballots, out of 15 million who were eligible. The NNA elected 198 candidates, of whom 162 represented the NPC, from the 261 constituencies returning results. After an embarrassing delay, President Azikiwe agreed to ask Balewa to form a government with the NNA majority. The boycott had failed to stop the election, and in March 1965 supplementary elections were held in those areas in the Eastern Region and in Lagos where the boycott had been honored. UPGA candidates were elected in all these constituencies, bringing the NCNC-dominated coalition a total of 108 seats in the House of Representatives. The UPGA became the official opposition.

Read more at http://www.mongabay.com/history/nigeria/nigeria-the_1964-65_elections.html#q1GsXlUp81S8QEtu.99
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by papparatzzi2013: 4:19pm On Oct 02, 2013
Katsumoto:

In 1966, after the 1964/65 elections, can you tell us how NCNC and its allies could have formed the government with 37% of the vote? I hope this isn't going to be one of those situations where you use big words and grammar to dance around the question but not address it.

See election results below. NPC/NNDP won 63% of the vote. They didn't need NCNC to form a government.

http://africanelections.tripod.com/ng_detail.html#1964_House_of_Representatives_Election

As usual he will dispute the source without ever referencing any.
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 4:23pm On Oct 02, 2013
papparatzzi2013:

As usual he will dispute the source without ever referencing any.

Dede1 will dispute anything. Maybe ACM10 can help him by finding the results in the library in his grandmother's village. grin grin grin

Those results are everywhere.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 4:26pm On Oct 02, 2013
Dede1 to Kats (in Oliver Twist voice) - 'Please sir, can I have some more?'

Kats to Dede1 - 'No, this is more than enough raping for one week, now run along'.

grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by DerideGull(m): 4:27pm On Oct 02, 2013
Katsumoto:

How could it have been a coalition if NPC/NNDP achieved a majority without NCNC? You are a joke; Balewa's magnanimity was the reason NCNC ministers were in government. I ask you again, if NPC/NNDP achieved a majority, how was NCNC going to form a government without a majority?

See below

The election was postponed for several weeks because of discrepancies between the number of names on voting rolls and on census returns. Even then the UPGA was not satisfied and called on its supporters to boycott the election. The boycott was effective in the Eastern Region, where polling places did not open in fifty-one constituencies that had more than one candidate running for office. In other constituencies in the region, UPGA candidates ran unopposed. Nationwide, only 4 million voters cast ballots, out of 15 million who were eligible. The NNA elected 198 candidates, of whom 162 represented the NPC, from the 261 constituencies returning results. After an embarrassing delay, President Azikiwe agreed to ask Balewa to form a government with the NNA majority. The boycott had failed to stop the election, and in March 1965 supplementary elections were held in those areas in the Eastern Region and in Lagos where the boycott had been honored. UPGA candidates were elected in all these constituencies, bringing the NCNC-dominated coalition a total of 108 seats in the House of Representatives. The UPGA became the official opposition.

Read more at http://www.mongabay.com/history/nigeria/nigeria-the_1964-65_elections.html#q1GsXlUp81S8QEtu.99


It is equally good to note that there was line in the appended crap from Robin Luckham which reads, “in any case the cabinet was unable to agree on whom to appoint”. The line has rubbish everything you have posted so far on this discussion and goofy crap from Richard Akinjide. If NPC was majority as you would want us to believe, why did the cabinet unable to agree on whom to appoint as Prime Minister?

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by DerideGull(m): 4:30pm On Oct 02, 2013
Katsumoto:

How could it have been a coalition if NPC/NNDP achieved a majority without NCNC? You are a joke; Balewa's magnanimity was the reason NCNC ministers were in government. I ask you again, if NPC/NNDP achieved a majority, how was NCNC going to form a government without a majority?

See below

The election was postponed for several weeks because of discrepancies between the number of names on voting rolls and on census returns. Even then the UPGA was not satisfied and called on its supporters to boycott the election. The boycott was effective in the Eastern Region, where polling places did not open in fifty-one constituencies that had more than one candidate running for office. In other constituencies in the region, UPGA candidates ran unopposed. Nationwide, only 4 million voters cast ballots, out of 15 million who were eligible. The NNA elected 198 candidates, of whom 162 represented the NPC, from the 261 constituencies returning results. After an embarrassing delay, President Azikiwe agreed to ask Balewa to form a government with the NNA majority. The boycott had failed to stop the election, and in March 1965 supplementary elections were held in those areas in the Eastern Region and in Lagos where the boycott had been honored. UPGA candidates were elected in all these constituencies, bringing the NCNC-dominated coalition a total of 108 seats in the House of Representatives. The UPGA became the official opposition.

Read more at http://www.mongabay.com/history/nigeria/nigeria-the_1964-65_elections.html#q1GsXlUp81S8QEtu.99

You still need to enlighten yourself on the intrigues involving coalition and alliance.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 4:34pm On Oct 02, 2013
DerideGull:


It is equally good to note that there was line in the appended crap from Robin Luckham which reads, “in any case the cabinet was unable to agree on whom to appoint”. The line has rubbish everything you have posted so far on this discussion and goofy crap from Richard Akinjide. If NPC was majority as you would want us to believe, why did the cabinet was unable to agree on whom to appoint as Prime Minister?

Stop being obtuse you silly old man. NPC/NNDP (Akinjide, Shagari, etc) selected Didpcharima but your greedy brothers failed to acknowledge it. Their greed got in the way. They shouldn't have been in government but for Balewa. Yet they wanted to appoint the PM even though they had no clear way to majority. Isn't that the opportunity Orizu seized to handover to Ironsi plus the fact that there was confusion everywhere. NNA (NPC/NNDP) had a majority and it isn't something I manufactured. Use your brain for once.

Add to that the statement from Shagari and Akinjide that Ironsi forced the handover. Power grab all the way.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 4:36pm On Oct 02, 2013
DerideGull:

You still need to enlighten yourself on the intrigues involving coalition and alliance.


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There is no such thing as intrigues involving coalition and alliance. The only thing to understand is MAJORITY; NPC/NNDP had it, NCNC didn't. It was that simple. Accept for once in your life and stop digging your hole further.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Nobody: 4:54pm On Oct 02, 2013
Katsumoto:

Stop being obtuse you silly old man. NPC/NNDP (Akinjide, Shagari, etc) selected Didpcharima but your greedy brothers failed to acknowledge it. Their greed got in the way. They shouldn't have been in government but for Balewa. Yet they wanted to appoint the PM even though they had no clear way to majority. Isn't that the opportunity Orizu seized to handover to Ironsi plus the fact that there was confusion everywhere. NNA (NPC/NNDP) had a majority and it isn't something I manufactured. Use your brain for once.

Had to that the statement from Shagari and Akinjide that Ironsi forced the handover. Power grab all the way.

My guess is that Orizu had no other choice than to handover to Ironsi.

Doing otherwise and handing over to Dipcherima would have blown out many covers involved in the coup plot.....it would have led to instant rounding up of the plotters and justice.

Ironsi was needed to provide the much needed cover for the coup plotters and their civilian accomplices.

That could be part of the explanation of how Ironsi treated the coup plotters and his indecisiveness on what to do or how to handle the matter.

It was one of the reasons that the July revenge guys brought up.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 5:18pm On Oct 02, 2013
Katsumoto:

1 & 2. NCNC couldn't lead the coalition because it couldn't form the government without NPC. NPC on the otherhand had a majority with its alliance with NNDP. There were also two issues wrong with the first two questions – a) The PM from the North was killed by Igbo sons and (b)the PM was from the party that won most seats in the 1959 & 64/65 elections. Of course you wouldn’t see anything wrong in it, just as the NCNC ministers in 1966 didn’t. Your lust for power and your greed will never allow you your senses and your brain to realize what is just and fair. Once you see an opportunity, you go for it. You couldn’t defeat him at the polls or negotiate yourselves into power so you send one of your sons to waste the lives of the PM and others. In most places, people are shocked beyond words at the murder of high ranking officials but not you folks. Balewa and a host of other innocent people had been murdered in cold blood but the Igbo leaders didn’t care. All that was in their minds was ‘this is a fantastic opportunity for us.’ The simple truth is that some of you are so greedy that you covet what belongs to others. Little wonder you have been shouting yourself hoarse about Lagos. Plain and simple – at worst, you are already a thief and at best a potential thief.

3. In July 2000, at a public book launching ceremony in Nigeria, Chief Richard Akinjide stated:
"Talking on the first coup, when Balewa got missing, we knew Okotie-Eboh had been held, we knew Akintola had been killed. We, the members of the Balewa cabinet started meeting. But how can you have a cabinet meeting without the Prime Minister acting or Prime Minister presiding. So, unanimously, we nominated acting Prime Minister amongst us. Then we continued holding our meetings. Then we got a message that we should all assemble at the Cabinet office. All the Ministers were requested by the G.O.C. of the Nigerian Army, General Ironsi to assemble. What was amazing at that time was that Ironsi was going all over Lagos unarmed. We assembled there. Having nominated ZANA Diphcharima as our acting Prime Minister in the absence of the Prime Minister, whose whereabout we didn't know, we approached the acting President, Nwafor Orizu to swear him in because he cannot legitimately act as the Prime Minister except he is sworn- in. Nwafor Orizu refused. He said he needed to contact Zik who was then in West Indies.

You can also see page 24 of Robin Luckham's book. I have attached a screenshot below

4. The words of Ajuluchukwu are good enough for me. He was afterall an NCNC chieftain and one of Azikiwe’s closest lieutenants.

5. You want video evidence, why don’t you go and dig up Ironsi’s body and ask him instead. Video evidence ko, teleconference ni. The problem is that you are lazy and refuse to read. You question everything that is presented to you. You challenge books, websites. You need to hear everything yourself. You want video evidence. It is clear you didn't go to school or you went to a mushroom school. Do you want Video evidence that Julius Caesar was a Roman Emperor?



1. You are getting too emotional. Again, i ask,was there any constitutional rule that says that NCNC cannot aspire to lead the coalition? If there was,give it to us. And then show us how to logically link this to the coup being an Igbo coup.

2. Akinjide is a man, a yoruba for that matter, given the lies his ethnic group has been writing about the civil war events, the most obvious being the fajuiyi story. I would say that it is only logical for us to dismiss akinjide remarks as lies,but nevertheless,his opinion, which he is entitled to,but can never be accepted as facts.

3. The words of Ajuluchukwu is false,as zik and ifeajuna are onitsha indigenes,but not cousins. By accepting ajuluchukwu false account, without searching to find out how true it is ( though i know this is still part of your cherry picking,as you would dismiss the rest of ajuluchukwu assertions that doesn't support your pre fixed conclusion), you have exposed yourself as a man not really in search of the truth,but a man with a pre conceived conclusion and notion,who is only on a mission to get things to support his conclusion. So we see you dismissing luckham write ups that disagree with your pre conceived conclusion,but embracing as absolute truth,his assertions that support your case. This is the highest height of pseudo intellectualism and dishonesty, you need serious help.

4. Of course, i want a video evidence or an audio, given that Ironsi is no longer alive to plead his case,any fair judge would always like to hear the both sides of the story, only a few people can win a case in absentia. On your side remarks and childish insults,i will show maturity and pretend i didn't see them.
And yes, historical events written thousands of years ago can still be questioned by anyone.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by dayokanu(m): 5:37pm On Oct 02, 2013
[size=13pt]The substantive President, Nnamdi Azikiwe, also of eastern origin, had left the country in late 1965 on a health cruise to the caribbean, after allegedly being tipped off by his cousin, Major Ifeajuna, one of the masterminds of the coup and, some say, overall leader. In fact his personal physician, Dr. Idehen, abandoned him abroad when he got tired of the “health trip”, unaware that there was a good reason why Azikiwe did not want to return to Nigeria.[/size]


http://www.dawodu.com/omoigui13.htm
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 5:40pm On Oct 02, 2013
ilugunboy:

My guess is that Orizu had no other choice than to handover to Ironsi.

Doing otherwise and handing over to Dipcherima would have blown out many covers involved in the coup plot.....it would have led to instant rounding up of the plotters and justice.

Ironsi was needed to provide the much needed cover for the coup plotters and their civilian accomplices.

That could be part of the explanation of how Ironsi treated the coup plotters and his indecisiveness on what to do or how to handle the matter.

It was one of the reasons that the July revenge guys brought up.

Another conjecture made to support an already and pre fixed conclusion.

A neutral mind should be asking?

1. Given the nature of man,and the fact that ironsi and Orizu are not from the same part of Igboland, is it possible that Orizu would give up his powers as a leader, knowing that handing over to Ironsi would mean handing over to the military, which will see the civilian regime disolved and Orizu losing his powers,seeing as he was not a military man,and will never have same power he had in the civilian regime,in the military regime?

2. Does it mean that Orizu like all human beings had no aspirations of his own? Does it mean he never dreamed of one day climbing the political ladder of those days,and becoming the number 1 in naija?

3. Looking at human history, how possible was it that Orizu would drop all his aspirations for Ironsi to ascend,just because Ironsi is a fellow Igbo? Can tribal affinity be greater than self afinity.

4. Was Orizu in any position at all to offer resistance to Ironsi? What chance does a civilian stand against a military chief with army troops at his command.

I believe that these are questions any neutral with no pre fixed conclusion should be pondering.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by dayokanu(m): 5:43pm On Oct 02, 2013
^^ Rubbish

It was a tribal agenda and Orizu for obvious reasons would not last as a head of a govt given the circumstance of the elimination of Balewa

The next best thing was to hand over to his kinsman who had the power of the gun to enforce it down the throat of Nigerians
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by OrlandoOwoh(m): 5:43pm On Oct 02, 2013
DerideGull:


Above is simply a joke and attempt to confuse ill-educated jokers abounded on this forum. NCNC could have formed coalition with AG if Awolowo was honest and not a tribal bigot. In such coalition, NCNC would have been the senior partner. Due to doubletalk embarked by the AG leaders, the NCNC leadership decided to form coalition with NPC for the government that produced Tafawa Belawa as Prime Minister.

In addition, only Yoruba people who are known as tribal bigots will take Richard Akinjide seriously. What else more does a person expect from character such as Richard Akinjide who decamped from NCNC due to tribal reason than fabricated crap such as the bolded in above post?

It is funny you can attach a nonsensical conjecture from Robin Luckham’s book but could not attach the list of officers in Nigerian armed forces prior January 15, 1966 as you claimed. Since such list is not forthcoming from you or Robin Luckham, I have concluded it does not exist.

It is equally good to note that there was line in the appended crap from Robin Luckham which reads, “in any case the cabinet was unable to agree on whom to appoint”. The line has rubbish everything you have posted so far on this discussion and goofy crap from Richard Akinjide. If NPC was majority as you would want us to believe, why did the cabinet was unable to agree on whom to appoint as Prime Minister?
We are not discussing whether or not AG and NCNC should have formed a coalition but that between NCNC and NPC. Stop shifting the goal post or just admit you have been e-lynched by Katsumoto.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by papparatzzi2013: 5:47pm On Oct 02, 2013
ilugunboy:

My guess is that Orizu had no other choice than to handover to Ironsi.

Doing otherwise and handing over to Dipcherima would have blown out many covers involved in the coup plot.....it would have led to instant rounding up of the plotters and justice.

Ironsi was needed to provide the much needed cover for the coup plotters and their civilian accomplices.

That could be part of the explanation of how Ironsi treated the coup plotters and his indecisiveness on what to do or how to handle the matter.

It was one of the reasons that the July revenge guys brought up.

I quite disagree.

I want to believe Orizu not handing over to Dipcherima saved a major bloodbath of the entire cabinet. It was the wisest thing to do. If he had handed over to Dipcherima he will not have handed over easily to Ironsi and having gone through all that process of planning, executing the coup and being an hulk hogan warrior/one man riot squad that quelled the coup, Ironsi would have done anything to have that power. We are talking of greed for power, so reasonable sensibilities will most likely be out Of reckoning
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 5:49pm On Oct 02, 2013
dayokanu:


http://www.dawodu.com/omoigui13.htm

Omoigui opinions and conjectures are just what they are, his opinion, and he is entitled to it,but that can never make them facts,even if you keep quoting them for the next thousand years,they still remain his opinions.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 5:53pm On Oct 02, 2013
papparatzzi2013:

I quite disagree.

I want to believe Orizu not handing over to Dipcherima saved a major bloodbath of the entire cabinet. It was the wisest thing to do. If he had handed over to Dipcherima he will not have handed over easily to Ironsi and having gone through all that process of planning, executing the coup and being an hulk hogan warrior/one man riot squad that quelled the coup, Ironsi would have done anything to have that power. We are talking of greed for power, so reasonable sensibilities will most likely be out Of reckoning

Wow! It must be snowing in hell today! I have a feeling that man city is about doing a 6-0 on bayern tonite. *shocked*

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by dayokanu(m): 5:57pm On Oct 02, 2013
pazienza:

Omoigui opinions and conjectures are just what they are, his opinion, and he is entitled to it,but that can never make them facts,even if you keep quoting them for the next thousand years,they still remain his opinions.

The words of Ajuluchukwu is false

The words of Omigui are just his opinions

Akinjide is a born liar and his words should never be taken seriously

These 3 people are from different tribes in the South, And 2 were influential in the Politics of then (1960's)

But according to Piazenza who should we believe?

[size=13pt]The one and Only Dede1 aka Deridegull the teenage boy in one Ibo forest hunting squirells and didnt know the direction to Lagos [/size]

Makes perfect sense

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by OrlandoOwoh(m): 5:58pm On Oct 02, 2013
pazienza:

1. You are getting too emotional. Again, i ask,was there any constitutional rule that says that NCNC cannot aspire to lead the coalition? If there was,give it to us. And then show us how to logically link this to the coup being an Igbo coup.

2. Akinjide is a man, a yoruba for that matter, given the lies his ethnic group has been writing about the civil war events, the most obvious being the fajuiyi story. I would say that it is only logical for us to dismiss akinjide remarks as lies,but nevertheless,his opinion, which he is entitled to,but can never be accepted as facts.

3. The words of Ajuluchukwu is false,as zik and ifeajuna are onitsha indigenes,but not cousins. By accepting ajuluchukwu false account, without searching to find out how true it is ( though i know this is still part of your cherry picking,as you would dismiss the rest of ajuluchukwu assertions that doesn't support your pre fixed conclusion), you have exposed yourself as a man not really in search of the truth,but a man with a pre conceived conclusion and notion,who is only on a mission to get things to support his conclusion. So we see you dismissing luckham write ups that disagree with your pre conceived conclusion,but embracing as absolute truth,his assertions that support your case. This is the highest height of pseudo intellectualism and dishonesty, you need serious help.

4. Of course, i want a video evidence or an audio, given that Ironsi is no longer alive to plead his case,any fair judge would always like to hear the both sides of the story, only a few people can win a case in absentia. On your side remarks and childish insults,i will show maturity and pretend i didn't see them.
And yes, historical events written thousands of years ago can still be questioned by anyone.
See how you reason, like your youngest grandchild: you won't accept anything said by Richard Akinjide because he is Yoruba. You mind is poisoned.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 5:58pm On Oct 02, 2013
dayokanu: ^^ Rubbish

It was a tribal agenda and Orizu for obvious reasons would not last as a head of a govt given the circumstance of the elimination of Balewa

The next best thing was to hand over to his kinsman who had the power of the gun to enforce it down the throat of Nigerians

Lol! You are not a neutral mind,so i don't expect you to be asking those questions,as the answers to them might not be in consonance with your pre fixed conclusion.

Those questions are for those who are looking for an evidence to reach a conclusion,and not for those who are looking for evidence to support a pre fixed conclusion.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 6:03pm On Oct 02, 2013
dayokanu:

The words of Ajuluchukwu is false

The words of Omigui are just his opinions

Akinjide is a born liar and his words should never be taken seriously

These 3 people are from different tribes in the South, And 2 were influential in the Politics of then (1960's)

But according to Piazenza who should we believe?

[size=13pt]The one and Only Dede1 aka Deridegull the teenage boy in one Ibo forest hunting squirells and didnt know the direction to Lagos [/size]

Makes perfect sense

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Are you prepared to accept the rest of Ajuluchukwu assertions,or are you accepting only that one,even though he was wrong,just because it gives you an evidence to support your pre-conceived assertion? *grins*

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 6:10pm On Oct 02, 2013
Orlando Owoh:
See how you reason, like your youngest grandchild: you won't accept anything said by Richard Akinjide because he is Yoruba. You mind is poisoned.

I would not accept his ranting because:

1. It doesn't make sense.
2. He is a yoruba,and his tribe were not neutral in the civil war.
3. Most tales about the the war from the yoruba so far,has all been lies, so chances are that he is lying.
If you will accept Ojukwu's version of the war tales, maybe i might consider accepting akinjide tales.

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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by remarkD(m): 6:19pm On Oct 02, 2013
You make an allegation and asking the accused to "google it"?

Is this like when you lied and asked me to google the fleeing General?
are you ever tired of telling lies? or even ashamed of it? Does your culture have values such as honesty and integrity?

'fia!!!
Orlando Owoh:
Google it, using the words.

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