odua boy: But Jonathan claimed that ibos are the pillar of his administration.

Isn't that divisive and tribalistic.

russellino:

That is local politics that even igbos hardly noticed sef. If he is an igbo pillar why is he paying lip service to many FG infrastructural projects some of which u know very well. It is still a far cry fron insulting other ethnic groups like APC members and leaders do on a consistent basis.

odua boy: " That short man called Ngige, we gave him power and he went and joined Awolowo's people; the people that killed the Igbos

odua boy: Why did he utter the statement in the first instance....Words are like vomit..once spoken out they can't be taken back....so spare us the lip service BS,,,he meant every thing he said.

And who told you PDP members dont denigrate opposition parties ethnic group.A certain Arthur Eze said this in the anambra gubernatorial election campaign

russellino: @odua boy - let's not forget he made that statement at an Enugu townhall meeting and not at any national platform

Obiagelli:
So in what capacity did make the statement, as village head? So of u guys self.

jmaine:
9) How do you hope to convince Nigerians you are the change you proclaim to be when you are busy chasing,wooing and running to the same set of people you desire to dislodge.

10) What is the ideological difference between the APC and the PDP . . .

Standing5: Correction !
The PDP member who have defected to APC so far aren't the ones who agree with what APC is disagreeing with in PDP. So it is wrong to call them ''the same set of people''.

jmaine:

You are just confusing yourself to no where.

Standing5:
how? Pls xplain.

russellino: OP -

Why does the APC encourage racism and tribalism as a political tool as exemplified by its leaders such as FFK and many others even the footsoldiers we see online. Eg eko ile/plaindealer/agbameta, dayokanu and hundreds of others.

berem: Cramjones, I asked a question yesterday which up till now, I haven't gotten the answer.

Is APC in support of the sale of our refineries by FG? If APC is voted into power, will they allow private investors to build their own refineries?

Lord Varys: I reiterate that the SW votes will shock the APC, in the Middle Belt, Jonathan has Plateau,Benue, Kogi,Taraba,Adamawa(Tukur,Boni Haruna,Bent et all will trounce Nyako who is heavily unpopular,GEJ won here in 2011 also), Nasarawa will be even as Al-Makura is finding it difficult navigating the murky ethnic waters especially with the eggons who are the largest tribe in the state leaning towards the PDP,GEJ won here in 2011 with twice Buhari's votes and the state house of assembly is PDP controlled, Southern Kaduna and the incumbent Gombe Gov will at least ensure he secures 25% in Kaduna and Gombe respectively,
The other northern states are no go areas, and there will be low turnout in Borno And Yobe due to insecurity,
I say with every inch of confidence that GEJ will triumph again in 2015 just not as massive as 2011 where he had 60% of cast votes......APC strategists shouldn't be naïve, the key fact is that while the APC will struggle to secure 25% in GEJ's strongholds,GEJ will easily secure such in the APC's bases with the exception on the core north

russellino: OP -

Why does the APC encourage racism and tribalism as a political tool as exemplified by its leaders such as FFK and many others even the footsoldiers we see online. Eg eko ile/plaindealer/agbameta, dayokanu and hundreds of others.

cramjones:

GEJ has played the greatest divisive politics in the entire history of Nigeria. APC as you well know is an all inclusive party. If the indigbos and South South people refuse to participate, so be it...it won't stop the APC from winning the presidential election come 2015!

russellino: @Cramjones - what does my question to you which was and is still is -



What does my question have to do with this -



I don't want to conclude because of your cerebral approach but you just betrayed some sentiments regarding the SE and SS that is synonymous with the bigotry of the leadership and generality of many APC members. I never brought any region up so why would u single those two groups out? Is it because the APC does not have a grip on those two areas hence the discriminatory approach?

Lord Varys: So as much as the APC junkets around the country,it will take a miracle to even come close to defeating GEJ, any neutral observer will tell you so..One would have expected you to be more accurate being a active political player but your analysis exposes ur naivete

cramjones:

Not at all. We love those two regions...I can tell you for a fact, if a few people in the APC play the tribal card, it does not mean it is an APC policy. Let's face the fact a lot of Nigerians are tribalist. Haven said that, you will agree with me, that the two regions I have mentioned have expressed unprecedented hate towards the APC and its leadership. Who's fault? The silence and propaganda by the Jonathanians, calling our party a yoruba and a muslim party.

Lord Varys:
To the SW, your optimism is unrealistic again, I'll start with Ondo, In last year's ondo guber polls, Gov Mimiko, a strong GEJ ally finished 1st followed by the PDP (GEJ's party) while the APC finished a distant third with Akeredolu, What makes you think the APC will be able to displace A Mimiko led LP-PDP alliance , I would expect GEJ to secure at least 60% of the votes in Ondo
In Oyo, one can't discount the PDP here,Ajimobi only narrowly defeated Akala with about 10K votes and with the Akala/Ladoja alliance, the APC will have its hands full,Oyo is the PDP's strongest Bastion in the SW, note that the only SW PDP senator is from here(Ogbomoso area),Mulikat and other members, Jonathan can get Akala/ladoja who for all their crookedness have large followership to help him secure a good performance similar to 2011, note also that the APc will have its hands full here
Same In Lagos, with a large population from the SS/SE resident here, ethno religious factors plus the influence of people like Obanikoro( whose son floored CAN in LGA election),Jimi Agbaje and others could ensure him a shock victory here, you can't also discount other figures such as Fayose in Ekiti and Daniel In Ogun, Only Osun will be hellish for him....
Note Also that the pDP never polls less than 40% even in the SW in any election

dayokanu:

I would only speak for the SW. The whole PDP machinery and leadership in the SW is in the hand of OBJ and Oyinlola, Thats the logic behind getting them to either support APC or remain neutral.

If the SW PDP and APC ally there is no way Jonathan would get 20% of votes in most SW states.

In Oyo the PDP would lose very well. Akala despite the incumbent power he had in 2011 still lost albeit narrowly now without incumbent power the PDP is doomed. The royal fathers support APC

In Lagos in the past what has these SS-SE population ever done to influence the politics of Lagos? I doubt any SE or SS person has ever been voted LGA chairman alone yet you claim thats the power that would rescue Lagos?

Even when OBJ had all the presidential power they couldnt unseat Tinubu its now the much hated Jonathan that would win an election where PBJ-PDP failed? Talk to the average Yoruba man and see how much they hate the PDP.

Most SW PDP supporters are ppl who loved OBJ and with the recent OBJ tune forget it. SW votes would be 60-70% APC

You mean OBJ and Amosun would ally and still lose Ogun? Or Tinubu-OBJ ally and still lose Lagos? Or Ajimobi-Alaafin of Oyo would lose to Akala?

cramjones:


You have a lot to learn in the politics of the SW and the Nigerian politics as a whole. Haven said that, do you honestly think Nigeria will forget the following:

- Billions mission under the watch of Jonathan,

- The downward plunge of the Naira $1 = 175 formally $1 = N150

- Subsidy removal and eventual fraud from SURE-P

- high tarrifs in electricity with a decline in supply

- Bombs and the death and destruction of many

- Over bloated presidency budget with N1bn on feeding alone

- Increased rate of poverty in the land...115million living below poverty level

- 6 months of ASUU strike

- Decline the pass rate for WAEC and NECO

- Record unemployment

- record inflation with increase in basic commodities such as rice and the good old garri

- The fact that you can't take any American exam again in Nigeria

- Decreased research collaboration from international organizations

- Government's threat to free speech

- Failure to pass budgets

- Threats to the unity of Nigeria by Jonathan's people, and GEJ supporting it with his silence


They are too numerous to mention. GEJ will loose in the SW and North that I can guarantee you. If you think otherwise, I wish you well, after all it your opinion.

russellino:

Its amazing how your sentiments towards SE and SS are revealed with every post. You have unwittingly confirmed that the "hate" from those regions as u have said is the reason for the anti SE/SS rhetoric of the APC. The apc is not only working against those two regions it is working towards inciting hatred of ordinary yorubas and northerners towards ppl from that area

Let me tell u a factor that helped a very popular ngige lose to a very unimpressive obiano in the anambra elections. Some shrewd politicians printed excerpts of hate essays of slimeball in chief ffk days to the election and circulated them complete with pics of the animal sipping champagne with some APC governors. You won't believe how many opinions were swayed that way. The failure of APC bigwigs to even pretend to call him to order betrayed a lack of regard that opened the door for obiano at the end of the day.

russellino: Its amazing how your sentiments towards SE and SS are revealed with every post. You have unwittingly confirmed that the "hate" from those regions as u have said is the reason for the anti SE/SS rhetoric of the APC. The apc is not only working against those two regions it is working towards inciting hatred of ordinary yorubas and northerners towards ppl from that area

Let me tell u a factor that helped a very popular ngige lose to a very unimpressive obiano in the anambra elections. Some shrewd politicians printed excerpts of hate essays of slimeball in chief ffk days to the election and circulated them complete with pics of the animal sipping champagne with some APC governors. You won't believe how many opinions were swayed that way. The failure of APC bigwigs to even pretend to call him to order betrayed a lack of regard that opened the door for obiano at the end of the day.

dayokanu:

I would only speak for the SW. The whole PDP machinery and leadership in the SW is in the hand of OBJ and Oyinlola, Thats the logic behind getting them to either support APC or remain neutral.

If the SW PDP and APC ally there is no way Jonathan would get 20% of votes in most SW states.

In Oyo the PDP would lose very well. Akala despite the incumbent power he had in 2011 still lost albeit narrowly now without incumbent power the PDP is doomed. The royal fathers support APC

In Lagos in the past what has these SS-SE population ever done to influence the politics of Lagos? I doubt any SE or SS person has ever been voted LGA chairman alone yet you claim thats the power that would rescue Lagos?

Even when OBJ had all the presidential power they couldnt unseat Tinubu its now the much hated Jonathan that would win an election where PBJ-PDP failed? Talk to the average Yoruba man and see how much they hate the PDP.

Most SW PDP supporters are ppl who loved OBJ and with the recent OBJ tune forget it. SW votes would be 60-70% APC

You mean OBJ and Amosun would ally and still lose Ogun? Or Tinubu-OBJ ally and still lose Lagos? Or Ajimobi-Alaafin of Oyo would lose to Akala?

Lord Varys:
While I absolutely respect your opinion,debating GEJ's achievements which I'm pretty sure speaks for him is not the issue here,the point I'm trying to make is that a lot of people overstate the APC's position in the SW which is not as strong as portrayed, I gave you the example of the last election in the SW(Ondo Guber Polls) where a PDP allied party won and the PDP itself polled ahead of the APC(then A.CN) candidate,that itself is a fact, I agree SW are sophisticated politically but the PDP and its allied parties are still strong to some extent in the SW, I pretty much named many of GEJ's foot soldiers in the SW with the capability to sway votes,also the south West is generally accomodating so there's a large immigrant population, take a concise look at SW voting patterns in 2011 and even discounting the Tinubu factor,GEJ still triumphed because to a large extent South Westerners still remain heavily suspicious of a northern candidate....so it was with Buhari and I doubt Tinubu would be able to herd everyone into voting Tambuwal .......the only way that would happen is if a 'Fashola' is fielded as his running mate which is unlikely since the aPC will pick one of Amaechi or Okorocha, I'm pretty sure that at worst,GEJ will secure at least 40% of the SW vote, 2015 will tell, when we said Jonathan will sweep the SW in 2011 many scoffed and he won fair and square there with little Tinubu help, 2015 will not be different except maybe a South Westerner like fashola emerges running mate............once again,thanks for your polite responses, I guess you're not as bad as you were portrayed

jmaine: The ultimate power resides with the electorates and that is why OBJ couldn't return his daughter back to the senate and why incumbent parties lost out.

dayokanu:

And who controls the electorates? Is it not the powerful politicians and the traditional rulers?

OJ couldnt return his daughter because there was a bigger force of Tinubu-ACN in town

When these two ally then Jonathan is doomed