Tudór:

This is ignorant.

You can confidently claim god wasn't created but somehow presuppose that the universe must be created. How hypocritical!

1. u made the false assertion that everything must have a creator. . . .so tell us who created God.

2. will u stop embarrasing urself? is the universe invivible?
The universe we see, could not have been an accident. . .simple.

noetic2:

whats the meaning of the RUBBISH above?
must u always embarass urself with ur folly? if what we see is an evidence for vision. . .what stops it from not being an evidence for creation?. . . . .

Are you still tensed has any girl agree to suck your little cock?

1. u are assuming that the creator was created/. . . .the onus is on u to tell us who created the creator.

2. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the universe to be uncreated. it is too organised and structured to be an accident.

Humans created your god, can't you see that the fact that you are here making a case for him is enough to tell you that he exist only in your deluded imaginations? Go get you little cock sucked and be quite.

Can we focus on the discussion/debate and exclude the juvenile sexual comments?

Tudór:

This is ignorant.

You can confidently claim god wasn't created but somehow presuppose that the universe must be created. How hypocritical!

This isn't hypocritical - it is simply based on the belief that ALL creation came from a creator who was Himself not created, but an embodiment of the divine creative ability.

All creation must stop at some point at thedoorstep of the Great Creator.

By the same token, the Universe is too organised/structured to be non-created, that is our belief. The only thing more wonderful or awe-inspiring is the creator Himself.

toneyb:

Are you still tensed has any girl agree to suck your little cock?

 is that ur answer to my quesions?

Humans created your god, can't you see that the fact that you are here making a case for him is enough to tell you that he exist only in your deluded imaginations? Go get you little cock sucked and be quite.

1. I am not making a case for God, I am simply revealing the porosity of ur arguments and the ridicule of ur ignorance.

2. u have made 2 false assumptions
a. God is a creation. . . .who created God? how? when? where?
b. God i a human creation. . . .   .proof?

OLAADEGBU:

Muslims and other religions are not as foolish as the atheists who don't believe in the existence of God, the Creator.  The only difference is that they do not have a personal relationship or revelational knowledge of the triune God.  Knowing about Queen Elizabeth through what you might have read about her cannot be compared to the intimate knowledge that her husband or children have about her.

In essence you've declared yourself a child of the true god and have personal knowledge of him. . . . This same shite-headed declaration is made by all religions and you've said NOTHING to prove your's is the true faith.
Your claim is just as air-headed and fake as theirs.

God is a Self Eternal Being.  He has no beginning and He has no end.  That's what the Bible teaches.  I know that you don't believe it which makes you an unbeliever but we can deduce the answer to this with the Bible, God's Word and with the creation, God's World.

The Creator God gave us two sources of informaton/knowledge which are: His Word, which clearly teaches that God is the Creator of all things and His creation, which verifies that there had to be a Creator.  We can use them both.

What a joke!
Did any god ever tell you he created the world?
Basically your source is the fictional writings of desert tribesmen. . .ha ha
Come back when you've got something SENSIBLE and "un-stupid"

There are three possibilities from where the universe came from: 1). the universe created itself; 2). the universe has always existed, and 3). the universe was created.

1. The universe created itself:  Can something create itself?  Can nothing create something?  The answer to these is an absolute No. We all know that[b] something cannot create itself and nothing can't create something.  From Latin we have the phrase "ex nihilo, nihil fit" meaning "from nothing, nothing comes."  It also violates the law of cause and effect, that says for every effect there must be a cause.  The effect can't be greater than the cause and nothing cannot be greater than something.  Therefore, based on the laws of science and logic, the universe couldn't have created itself.  That's your theory eliminated right there, gone up in smoke.

Yet you drunkards claim god was uncreated.
This is embarassing!

2. The univese has always existed:  Lets go to the 2nd law of thermodynamics that basically teaches that "the whole universe is losing usable energy for doing usable work."  This means that the usable energy in this universe is wearing down.  The universe as a whole is losing energy.  In other words, molecules as a whole are slowing down.

To be continued.

All these theories of thermodynamics you quoted which was written in the bible?
If science and common sense are revealing the laws of the universe, it's only a matter of time before they educate you on its origin. Sit tight.

Tudór:

In essence you've declared yourself a child of the true god and have personal knowledge of him. . . . This same shite-headed declaration is made by all religions and you've said NOTHING to prove your's is the true faith.
Your claim is just as air-headed and fake as theirs.

what exactly is ur point? I cant figure out any.

What a joke!
Did any god ever tell you he created the world?
Basically your source is the fictional writings of desert tribesmen. . .ha ha
Come back when you've got something SENSIBLE and "un-stupid"

how have u been able to refute the overwelming evidences that support these "fictional writings".
The problem is you guys are simply dishonest and love to live in denial.

that u choose to disbelief an evidence does not affect the credibility of that evidence.

Yet you drunkards claim god was uncreated.
This is embarassing!
All these theories of thermodynamics you quoted which was written in the bible?
If science and common sense are revealing the laws of the universe, it's only a matter of time before they educate you on its origin. Sit tight.

did u actually read what olaadegbu posted?

This is very daft to say the least!

debosky:


This isn't hypocritical - it is simply based on the belief that ALL creation came from a creator who was Himself not created, but an embodiment of the divine creative ability.

All creation must stop at some point at thedoorstep of the Great Creator.

By the same token, the Universe is too organised/structured to be non-created, that is our belief. The only thing more wonderful or awe-inspiring is the creator Himself.

Basically you're admitting your stance has no BASIS and no PROOF. Right?

noetic2:

how have u been able to refute the overwelming evidences that support these "fictional writings".
The problem is you guys are simply dishonest and love to live in denial.

What are the "overwelming evidence" you keep talking about, what are they?

that u choose to disbelief an evidence does not affect the credibility of that evidence.

Again what are the evidence? Is farming still one of your evidence for creationism?

toneyb:

What are the "overwelming evidence" you keep talking about, what are they?

Again what are the evidence? Is farming still one of your evidence for creationism?

how about looking at this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-299040.32.html

noetic2:

1. u made the false assertion that everything must have a creator. . . .so tell us who created God.

2. will u stop embarrasing urself? is the universe invivible?
The universe we see, could not have been an accident. . .simple.

This is simply quack!
I don't know who your god is or whatever.
The assertion that everything must have a creator came from your christian brother

OLAADEGBU:
Can something create itself?  Can nothing create something? [/b] The answer to these is an absolute No. We all know that[b] something cannot create itself and nothing can't create something.  From Latin we have the phrase "ex nihilo, nihil fit" meaning "from nothing, nothing comes."  It also violates the law of cause and effect, that says for every effect there must be a cause.  The effect can't be greater than the cause and nothing cannot be greater than something. 

STOP LYING FOR JESUS!

OLAADEGBU:

God is a Self Eternal Being. He has no beginning and He has no end. That's what the Bible teaches. I know that you don't believe it which makes you an unbeliever but we can deduce the answer to this with the Bible, God's Word and with the creation, God's World.

Did any god tell you that he is eternal or did you read it from the imaginations and fantasies of ancient men who wrote their thoughts and fantasies down? Because some ancient men wrote about their god whom they said told them to scarifice others unto him is eternal makes their statement correct?

The Creator God gave us two sources of informaton/knowledge which are: His Word, which clearly teaches that God is the Creator of all things and His creation, which verifies that there had to be a Creator. We can use them both.

No creator gave you anything, humans like you sat down and wrote their thoughts and imaginations and ascribed it to their god which was passed down to you. The bible does not verify that there is a creator, it only shows or presents the ideas of how ancient men thought the univese came about. The bible remains the words, thougts, fantasies and imaginations of men nothing more to it.

There are three possibilities from where the universe came from:

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[li]1). the universe created itself;[/li]
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[li]2). the universe has always existed, and [/li]
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[li]3). the universe was created.[/li]
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1. The universe created itself:  Can something create itself?  Can nothing create something?  The answer to these is an absolute No.  We all know that something cannot create itself and nothing can't create something.  From Latin we have the phrase "ex nihilo, nihil fit" meaning "from nothing, nothing comes."  It also violates the law of cause and effect, that says for every effect there must be a cause.  The effect can't be greater than the cause and nothing cannot be greater than something.  Therefore, based on the laws of science and logic, the universe couldn't have created itself.  That's your theory eliminated right there, gone up in smoke.

2. The univese has always existed:  Lets go to the 2nd law of thermodynamics that basically teaches that "the whole universe is losing usable energy for doing usable work."  This means that the usable energy in this universe is wearing down.  The universe as a whole is losing energy.  In other words, molecules as a whole are slowing down.

Therefore, if this universe was eternal we will be in what is called a "virtual heat death."  This means that there will be virtually no molecular movement.  Everything would have lost its available heat energy for doing work.  Therefore, the universe cannot be eternal, it must have had a beginning.  The theory that the universe has always existed or is eternal has to be false based on the law of science and logic, another speculation gone with the air.  This leaves us with only one possiblility based on science.

3. The universe was created:  

"In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -- Genesis 1:1  QED  

More circular logic that makes no sense at all. Scientist have given exlanations for the existence for the universe and non of them involves any god  so who what is this nonsense you are talking about your god and the laws of science laws that the bible writers know nothing about.

noetic2:

how about looking at this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-299040.32.html

Is that what you call evidence? if you have evidence then present them. When has your deluded opinion become evidence for anything at all?

This is a little quiz for you guys to test your eyesight:

How will you interprete these words (How readeth thou?):

"GODISNOTHING"

"GODISNOWHERE"

Tudór:

This is simply quack!
I don't know who your god is or whatever.
The assertion that everything must have a creator came from your christian brotherSTOP LYING FOR JESUS!

by something he meant. . . .created objects of a subject. thats not what u meant.

u assumed that God is also subjected to creation, by actually calling him a creation. . . .so who EXACTLY created God? is that too hard to answer?

toneyb:

Is that what you call evidence? if you have evidence then present them. When has your deluded opinion become evidence for anything at all?

what refutation has ur deluded self offered?

noetic2:

by something he meant. . . .created objects of a subject. thats not what u meant.

u assumed that God is also subjected to creation, by actually calling him a creation. . . .so who EXACTLY created God? is that too hard to answer?

God is simply a figment of the imagination.
Proof?. . . .the shy bloke has never revealed himself neither has he been proven to exist by whosoever!

Tudór:

God is simply a figment of the imagination.
Proof?. . . .the shy bloke has never revealed himself neither has he been proven to exist by whosoever!

will u stop embarrassing urself?

a. what does revelation mean?

b. what does a proof mean? how do u measure the credibility of an evidence?

c. what does it mean to exist? whats the test for existence?

noetic2:

will u stop embarrassing urself?

a. what does revelation mean?

b. what does a proof mean? how do u measure the credibility of an evidence?

c. what does it mean to exist? whats the test for existence?

I believe thats why they invented a dictionary. Use it.

Tudór:

I believe thats why they invented a dictionary. Use it.

I believe thats why ur opinion is uninformed, . . . .

noetic2:

I believe thats why ur opinion is uninformed,  . . . .

Nope. It just exposes your laxity when it comes issues at hand. . . .

OLAADEGBU:

This is a little quiz for you guys to test your eyesight:

How will you interprete these words (How readeth thou?):

"GODISNOTHING"

"GODISNOWHERE"

This simple test shows the reason why we (Christians and atheits) see the same evidence and interprete it differently. We interprete it differently because of the different spectacle we use to observe the common evidence. This is what we call different worldviews.

Atheists and evolutionists will interprete the statements above as "GOD IS NOTHING" and "GOD IS NOWHERE" respectively.

Christians interprete it as "GOD IS NOW HERE" and "GOD IS NO THING" respectively.

Christian creationists accept the Bible's account of history while the atheists and evolutionists accepts man's fallible ideologies as their authorities, hence they cannot see the same creation, fossils, living creatures, universe as the creationists would see it.

Therefore, I am not surprised that you (atheists) cannot see that God and the Bible have answers to all your questions that you need to know.

OLAADEGBU:

This simple test shows the reason why we (Christians and atheits) see the same evidence and interprete it differently.  We interprete it differently because of the different spectacle we use to observe the common evidence.  This is what we call different worldviews.

Atheists and evolutionists will interprete the statements above as "GOD IS NOTHING" and "GOD IS NOWHERE" respectively.

Christians interprete it as "GOD IS NOW HERE" and "GOD IS NO THING" respectively.

Christian creationists accept the Bible's account of history while the atheists and evolutionists accepts man's fallible ideologies as their authorities, hence they cannot see the same creation, fossils, living creatures, universe as the creationists would see it. 

Therefore, I am not surprised that you (atheists) cannot see that God and the Bible have answers to all your questions that you need to know.

The rubbish above is just evidence that you can write words thats all! You keep bringing up cave-man analogies. . .


There's nothing like different interpretations, EVIDENCE IS EVIDENCE. The main issue is WHAT EXACTLY does an evidence PROVE and what is does not.simple.

A biblical creationist who believes the record in the Bible, which claims to be the Word of God (Psalm 78:5; 2 Tim.3:14-17; 2 Peter 1:19-17), will come to different conclusions than an atheist who rejects the Bible.  Willful denial of God’s Word (2 Peter 3:3–7) lies at the root of many disputes over historical science.

Ken Ham a biblical creationist puts it succintly by saying: Many people think the Bible is just a book about religion or salvation.  It is much more than this.  The Bible is the History Book of the Universe and tells us the future destiny of the universe as well.  It gives us an account of when time began, the main events of history, such as the entrance of sin and death into the world, the time when the whole surface of the globe was destroyed by water, the giving of different languages at the Tower of Babel, the account of the Son of God coming as a man, His death and Resurrection, and the new heavens and earth to come.

Ultimately, there are only two ways of thinking: starting with the revelation from God (the Bible) as foundational to all thinking (including biology, history, and geology), resulting in a Christian worldview; or starting with man’s beliefs (for example, the evolutionary story) as foundational to all thinking, resulting in a secular worldview.

Most Christians have been indoctrinated through the media and education system to think in a secular way.  They tend to take secular thinking to the Bible, instead of using the Bible to build their thinking (Romans 12:1–2; Ephesians 4:20–24).

The Bible says, “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge” (Proverbs 1:7) and “the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” (Proverbs 9:10).

If one begins with an evolutionary view of history (for which there were no witnesses or written record), then this way of thinking will be used to explain the evidence that exists in the present. 

But if one begins with the biblical view of history from the written record of an eyewitness (God) to all events of history, then a totally different way of thinking, based on this, will be used to explain the same evidence.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/god-come-from/where-god-come-from

OLAADEGBU:

A biblical creationist who believes the record in the Bible, which claims to be the Word of God (Psalm 78:5; 2 Tim.3:14-17; 2 Peter 1:19-17), will come to different conclusions than an atheist who rejects the Bible.  Willful denial of God’s Word (2 Peter 3:3–7) lies at the root of many disputes over historical science.

Ken Ham a biblical creationist puts it succintly by saying: Many people think the Bible is just a book about religion or salvation.  It is much more than this.  The Bible is the History Book of the Universe and tells us the future destiny of the universe as well.  It gives us an account of when time began, the main events of history, such as the entrance of sin and death into the world, the time when the whole surface of the globe was destroyed by water, the giving of different languages at the Tower of Babel, the account of the Son of God coming as a man, His death and Resurrection, and the new heavens and earth to come.

Ultimately, there are only two ways of thinking: starting with the revelation from God (the Bible) as foundational to all thinking (including biology, history, and geology), resulting in a Christian worldview; or starting with man’s beliefs (for example, the evolutionary story) as foundational to all thinking, resulting in a secular worldview.

Most Christians have been indoctrinated through the media and education system to think in a secular way.  They tend to take secular thinking to the Bible, instead of using the Bible to build their thinking (Romans 12:1–2; Ephesians 4:20–24).

The Bible says, “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge” (Proverbs 1:7) and “the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” (Proverbs 9:10).

If one begins with an evolutionary view of history (for which there were no witnesses or written record), then this way of thinking will be used to explain the evidence that exists in the present. 

Was it not the primitive way of thinking prevalent in the time of moses that they actually used to explain the evidence present to them?
The slowpoke actually thought rainbows were covenants from god when in actual fact it's caused by refraction of light


A fictional story of a castaway titled Robinson Crusoe was written hundreds of years ago. It's contains concise details and real life experiences. Nobody whether slowpoke or slowpoke takes it as a factual historical event.

But if one begins with the[b] biblical view of history from the written record of an eyewitness (God) [/b]to all events of history, then a totally different way of thinking, based on this, will be used to explain the same evidence.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/god-come-from/where-god-come-from

I'm not even going to comment on the ridiculousness and utter stupidity of this claim.

Tudór:

Was it not the primitive way of thinking prevalent in the time of moses that they actually used to explain the evidence present to them?
The slowpoke actually thought rainbows were covenants from god when in actual fact it's caused by refraction of light


A fictional story of a castaway titled Robinson Crusoe was written hundreds of years ago. It's contains concise details and real life experiences. Nobody whether slowpoke or slowpoke takes it as a factual historical event.I'm not even going to comment on the ridiculousness and utter stupidity of this claim.

Watch this video and you will see the answers your questions.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/god-come-from/where-god-come-from

I'll definately watch it.
The numerous re-routing and parasitic hosting i do in order to cloak my IP make high freq streaming hell. . .i've copied the link and i'll watch it on another device.

"The wind goes toward the south, and turns about to the north; it whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits." -- Ecclesiastes 1:6

"Modern science has confirmed that the air around the planet turns in huge circles, clockwise in one hemisphere and counterclockwise in the other." -- Richard Gunter

OLAADEGBU:

"The wind goes toward the south, and turns about to the north; it whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits." -- Ecclesiastes 1:6

"Modern science has confirmed that the air around the planet turns in huge circles, clockwise in one hemisphere and counterclockwise in the other." -- Richard Gunter

You want to play that way?. . . The sun rise and the sun sets and hurries back to where it rises Ecclesiastes 1:5.

Astronomy has debunked this lie. . . . .

OLAADEGBU:

"The wind goes toward the south, and turns about to the north; it whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits." -- Ecclesiastes 1:6

"Modern science has confirmed that the air around the planet turns in huge circles, clockwise in one hemisphere and counterclockwise in the other." -- Richard Gunter

King Solomon described a cycle of air currents 2,000 years before scientists discovered them!

@OLAADEGBU i thought he was a msu.lim amazing

May kelly:

@OLAADEGBU i thought he was a msu.lim amazing

You must be mistaking me with Mallam Olabowale.

mazaje:

You want to play that way?. . . The sun rise and the sun sets and hurries back to where it rises Ecclesiastes 1:5.

Astronomy has debunked this lie. . . . .

We still use the language sunrise and sunset today, are we literally referring to the movement of the sun?

The Bible says:

"He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knows his going down"  -- Psalm 104:19

God created the "lights" in the heavens "for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years" -- Genesis 1:14.  

We can now see and understand through the marvels of astronomy that a year is the time required for the earth to
travel once around the sun.  The seasons are caused by the changing position of the earth in relation to the sun. 

This is what the Worldbook Multimedia Encyclopedia wrote:

"astronomers can tell exactly from the earth's motion around the sun when one season ends and the next one begins."

We also now understand that a "month [is] the time of one revolution of the moon around the earth with respect to the sun"  -- Encyclopedia Britannica

How could Moses have known 3,500 years ago that the "lights" of the sun and moon were the actual determining factors of the year's length, unless his words were inspired by God?