snydergp:

What are whites controlling because just last week a report was released showing that there are now more blacks middle class citizens then whites in SA. That situation has long turned the corner my friend. The biggest public investment pension fund in SA which has almost $800bn in under its control, 90% of its investors are black.

The issue here is trade is contributing to Cameroons economy and 58bn CFA's aren't cheap money. Stop arguing like a child.

The difference is SA's currency isn't pegged to any EU state, it is independent.

Look at who is talking about white controlling Cameroonian economy when we all know that SA is over 90% controlled by the whites. Please, stop acting as though your country is in a position to question Cameroonian economy. Look at the economy situation of your country first before coming here to make bogus assertion about others, like in this your comment regarding Cameroonian's. At the moment Cameroonians controlled their economy unlike South African blacks who are given the meager penny and crumbs to eat. Hehehe....

all4naija: I hope Nigeria purchase some modern ballistic missiles and warheads as South Africa is trying to threaten other smaller nations in Africa with their economy and meager military might.

We should not removed chemical, biological and nuclear weapons from the table when planning for upgrading our military weapons. SA is a rouge state that must be cautioned with all means possible. And, we shouldn't fold our arms and watch why they keep intimidating smaller African nations.

agaugust:

...one million whites left south africa because they know the future is no longer bright...$40 billion external debt,
unemployment 13 million people out of 50 million population, economic time bomb.

andrewza:

Unless they nucklear they a waist of money. Any case what country have we threanted. Name just one country.

Nucklear wepaons are banded from africa. Chemical and bilogcal are only a threat to civlians. And most are banded. In short not going to happen.

snydergp:

now foolishness is your persona

Most of the depths in SA is due to capital expansion programs from goverment company a typical example would be ESKOM with a $750bn expansion program over 8years and Transet witha $1Trillion expansion over a 6years.

Nigeria don't have the same amount of capital programs compared to SA and that's a Fact. Nigeria can't even produce 10000MW a day yet it wants to compare it to a nation which has a power expansion program that will yield more then 9000MW in just 3 years and a plans to commission 3 Nuclear plants before 2025. There's just no comparison between the two, so please when you make stu*p*id assessments take all things and economics into question.

SA didn't go the privatization route which the IMF and World Bank advocated like Nigeria has because of social issues attached to this, did place SA into a different trajectory/growthpath compared to Nigeria and that's a verifiable fact.

This $40bn nonsense is something that the BH state is neither here ot there.

all4naija: In Mozambique,trying to take over all the economy affairs with punitive measures of overshadowing that country will huge investment and thereby taking over indirect country of the certain part of the policies and politic. Also in Zimbabwe, the reason why Mugabe remained in position is due to SA support and that has had a terrible impact on the people who later flood SA with illegal immigrants who are being attacked on daily bases. Few were burnt alive in the xenophobic incidence of the past. In the recent CAR situation, it is very clear the reason why SA was in CAR was more of economy interest than to create peace which they accused France of. I can go on and on.

They are even using Ghana as a puppet state to attack Nigerians investment in Accra. It is clear the Ghanaians are fond of worshiping SA a$$ for fear of its huge development and influence it has over that country. I know they will eat their sh*ts for supporting African imperialistic nation of SA to attack Nigerian investment.

andrewza: http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-30430/

SAN is recomisiong and upgrading all 4(from 2) of her warroi strike craft. They will be in servis for at least 5 years.

The upgrade will remove the aft 76mm at place 2 quike launch boats there. And repia/replace all elctroincs and mechnical parts. Along with hull maintaince.

Sa operated 9 strike craft 3 built in isreal and 6 built in SA. Only 4 remian. The rest sunk has targets. They no long carrir missiels since the skerpion have all been used up (missile have a expire date) and the excocsent has not been intrgrated. Though there current role has OPV makes it not needed.

Removing the aft 76mm frees up space for boarding boats and teams. Current wepaons are.
1 76mm
2 20mm
2 12.7mm
A number of 7.62mm moutings. They have a low profile(they small basicaly) and high top speed. All so pack more than enough fire power with that 76mm.

all4naija: Good for the fighters upgrade. But, those weapons have no good precision. They are dropped in areas thought to be infiltrated and can cause high collateral damages. I would opt for any nation to upgrade such weapons in this modern time than rely on them for use.

CAMEROONPRIDE:


We share the same views.

I was pointing to andrewza that Botswana is not compelled to b loyal to SA and wouldn't mind taking military advantage on them. Even if it means opening an American base in Botswana.

The problem with American bases is they are easy targets for American enemies, since they can strike the USA directly.

andrewza:

What do you mean they not accurate? Has long has you fire in your effectv range you good to go.

And when used against other ship or boats it is radar guided.

sithwell:

Assuming you're right, it doesn't matter what historical factors contribute towards a country's development. What matters is what a country does to conserve and improve on the gains made, today.

all4naija: Are the black South Africans really doing that in that society while attacking innocent people on the streets?

all4naija: These weapons weakness is the precision problem. Even at the point of them being under the radar guide they are still not in a position to hit targets with accurate precision. Before hitting target the object might have move some distance away from there thereby destroying what it is not meant for. When have seen this happened in Iraq war and other where innocent people were murdered for the large of the these weapons precision. If you are going to purchased a weapons for your fighters go for Small Diameter bombs with a good precision.

Image of Small diameter bomb

all4naija: How have I been proven wrong on SA economic matters in the forum time and time again? You are just good in arguing for argument sake. The very fact remains the whites you are accusing of controlling Cameroonian economy are over 90% controlling yours that you are trying to exonerate here. Please, spare me this your hyperventilating which is not required of you in whatsoever way.

On 30 April 2013 members of the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) who were conducting standing patrolling duties at Poppalin Ranch next to Malala Drift on Zimbabwe and RSA border, saw a suspicious group of people carrying boxes.

At seeing the soldiers they decided to run away. After warning shot fired, a box of cigarettes was dropped off and one of the suspects was arrested. The suspect, who was in possession of R13 780,00, tried in vain to bribe SANDF member offering him R13 000, 00 for his freedom.

The SANDF confiscated 1700 cartons of cigarettes to the value of R219 300.00. Each carton contains 10 packets of cigarettes. The suspect from Zimbabwe was handed over to the Musina South African Police Service (SAPS).

sithwell:

I'm black and I attack no one. So are my friends, family and colleagues. As soon as it becomes difficult to discredit South Africa, the subject turns to black vs white. We've gone through this many times. Besides, current governmental efforts in South Africa today can hardly be described as "white".

You yourself argue that Nigeria is diverse. Following that line of thinking, must we now discredit Nigeria based on what the different tribes are doing, or not doing? Makes no sense.

Nigeria is being judged by us, based on what the country is doing. It's no concern of ours whether or not the Igbos or the Yoruba are leading the charges.

. I almost laughed myself dropping down on the floor. The argument is beyond merely removing yourself, your family and friends from the victimization of innocent African immigrants in your country. You forget to state that those numbers can hardly make any different in such a huge population as the South African. This is like saying we should forget about the problem while it lingers. That is not a way to go as being a product of that society you are very confident to speak about. If not you must do something to find solution. Or else you are not taking your responsibility with pride as usual(excuse me for saying that).

What has diversity got to do with animosity and channeling attacks toward innocent African people on the streets? You are good with conjuring words to fit the situation as though they will find solution at the face of problems. I don't buy into using mind words to hide the truth of the matter, which is South Africans are attacking innocent Africans on the streets and must be stopped.

Using Nigeria as an example is not always required of you. It might well served your interest to know that it's not an explanation for what is happening in your society. They are two different nations with different people, policy, ideology, etc. Indeed, your explanation didn't represent anything like diversity which has to do with different culture as against any hostility we see in your people. The hostility we've seen against others who are visiting and living in your society.

This I think might extend to your military in the future and makes it more vulnerable to defeat, as we have seen in CAR. That is, looking at it from a broader perspective.

sithwell:

South Africa officially states that there is racial inequality in the economy. So, there's nothing new or hidden there. That said, the fact remains that the whites are South Africans too. Leaving your 90% figure aside - as long as South Africa sticks to its programme of transformation, there is no need to worry. Particularly given the progress that is being made. I myself am a proud product of the transformation programme.

What matters is that South Africa keeps moving forward, notwithstanding the desire to argue otherwise.

all4naija: I never said either, that there is anything new or hidden about it than your fellow South African accusing Cameroonian economy being run by whites. The bone of contention here is that he is mocking Cameroon of trading with France than trading with perhaps SA. It is laughable to see how many of your people are quick to point accusing fingers and forgetting the make-up their society.

all4naija: . I almost laughed myself dropping down on the floor. The argument is beyond merely removing yourself, your family and friends from the victimization of innocent African immigrants in your country. You forget to state that those numbers can hardly make any different in such a huge population as the South African. This is like saying we should forget about the problem while it lingers. That is not a way to go as being a product of that society you are very confident to speak about. If not you must do something to find solution. Or else you are not taking your responsibility with pride as usual(excuse me for saying that).

What has diversity got to do with animosity and channeling attacks toward innocent African people on the streets? You are good with conjuring words to fit the situation as though they will find solution at the face of problems. I don't buy into using mind words to hide the truth of the matter, which is South Africans are attacking innocent Africans on the streets and must be stopped.

Using Nigeria as an example is not always required of you. It might well served your interest to know that it's not an explanation for what is happening in your society. They are two different nations with different people, policy, ideology, etc. Indeed, your explanation didn't represent anything like diversity which has to do with different culture as against any hostility we see in your people. The hostility we've seen against others who are visiting and living in your society.

This I think might extend to your military in the future and makes it more vulnerable to defeat, as we have seen in CAR. That is, looking at it from a broader perspective.

sithwell:

But you see, this is exactly what I am trying to address. He is mocking Cameroon on trading with France (rightly or wrongly, I don't care).

You respond by saying SA is run by whites, as if whites aren't South African.

Rather deal with whether or not the SA economy is run by foreigners, like the Cameroonian one is argued to be.

Then the two of you will be speaking the same language.

sithwell:

It's very simple All4Naija. You seem to think that race is the only way to look at people. Well, it isn't. Class is sometimes the best way to do that. Especially when it comes to the Xenophobia that was experienced in SA in 2008. The fact that I am black and I attack no one means that blackness is not the issue. Social class is. You can't expect that an educated black South Africa will attack "innocent people" in the street, as you put it. What will happen is that foreigners and South Africans of the same social class (read lower) will clash for reasons explained by looking at the South African context. That understanding is the beginning of finding a solution (assuming one is required in the first place).

Many educated Nigerians in South Africa have never been discriminated against. I know a significant number. So, laugh if you want to, but once you're done with that, come up with another argument, which is not as myopic as your obsessive race argument.

Using Nigeria as an example is perfectly apt. This is a nation-to-nation debate. Therefore, when we as South Africans look at Nigeria, we do not care whether it is the Igbo or the Yoruba that are more active in your society. We care only about how Nigeria is performing. By the same token, it is irrelevant whether white South Africans or black South Africans are more active in SA. Not for the purposes of this debate, anyway. What matters is how South Africa performs, relative to Nigeria.

Whenever you guys get stuck on the nation-to-nation argument, you resort to the race argument. Well, if you want to do that, then let us talk Nigerian tribes and see where that leads to.

all4naija: I still think SA military capability is overrated. It will be difficult for them to defeat a country like Angola when it comes to war, a conventional war for that matter.

all4naija: I intended not to reply to this comment as you are now trying to charge me of racism which is not what I am talking about. If you see it that way there is nothing wrong about that at all. It is wise of you to know what the reality on ground is happening in your country.And, people will be quick to see that from this your comment.

Many educated Nigerians are not attacked assertion by your says something about your stance to exonerate your country of its crimes against the INNOCENT people, if you are going about the innocent in a more obvious means. I would let you know here that a visiting Wole Soyinka a reputable Noble Prize Winner in literature was once intentionally almost molested in his hotel room in your country. There are many others who have attested to this type of common attack carried out by your people. It is very frustrating to be explaining this over and over again.

No, I said! I said it is not required of you unless you are going about it with an ulterior motive to make your country see as the envy of others(as many of your people have been hammering upon). The problems is happening in your society that affects innocent people. How Nigeria can be used as comparison to justify the problems is still something I can not seem to figure out. I would be interested if you can explain better with evidences.

Thank you.

all4naija: I still think SA military capability is overrated. It will be difficult for them to defeat a country like Angola when it comes to war, a conventional war for that matter.