patriot4: Read my post again, and this time pull your head out of your a**.
And what makes you think Nigeria doesn't make those missiles or doesn't make an equivalent one. It seems to me that "the supplies" of these kind of weapons need to be made locally or else it would be difficult.

patriot4:
No need to do so, if you just do what the US did before you: tell the families that the soldier is heading to an other operation field, then give yourself time to create fake circomstances of death of the soldiers (one by one ofcourse).
That is a method which has been used by many armies (especially the western ones) and I think the SADF used to conceal its casualties as well.

Mike..ZA:
I knew you were the british queen.

saengine:

Nigeria makes no anti tank missile. FACT. Deal with it. You're confusing the technology needed to make a missile with a dumb RPG. Post 1 single thread of evidence that Nigeria produces missiles. No wait.....you're gona say its highly highly classified. Top top secret.

patriot4: Nigeria is superior, you live with it.
There is no way you would know about the weapons we make and we have caught you more than once telling lies about the ones you make. By the way I hear Nigerian economy has already passed yours: there is a rebasing of Nigerian GDP to include vast parts of the economy which were not included in the previous basing which was done in 1990.
Be ready to see our GDP triple soon.

Msauza:

You are taking chances boy. South Africa is the world top 20 arms exporter. Nigeria does not even export a single unit of weapons to any country. Go and tell that thrash to your child. You do not have any capability of producing arms because of your small brains. Yes economically you can overtake SA because of your huge population which enjoys a better PPP( parity purchasing power) but also your population stand to disadvantage you with regard to income per capita, which will take years to level that of SA. Another important factor is that of infrastructural development which is still decades behind in Nigeria compared to SA. South Africa will still remain your masters even though your economy can surpass their economy. SA has hundreds of companies which are making such a huge profit in Nigeria and in return repatriate profit back home.

patriot4:
Stop using the word fact. I think you don't know what it means.
And I can verry easilly say that south africa doesn't produce any missiles as well.
Nigeria produces missiles and yes it is a secret technology given that we obtained its new version from north korea (and we risked sanctions for that), and we also don't want our neighbours or other African countries to feel threatened. I remember Kenya crying foul when Nigeria was buying technology from North Korea

saengine:

Hahaha....cool story man

patriot4: Keep dreaming. For now our brothers in Brazil are training you.
And francly, if you were not this pumpous we would also be training you right now. We trained Mugabe's officers you know!

patriot4:
I only stated verrifiable facts.
(you see, that is how to use the word fact).

saengine:

No thats how you make a fool of yourself

Mike..ZA:
Morale is high among the SANDF troops in DRC. The parabats were accidentally engaged,by some rebels not from the M23 days back. Today Rooivalk crews were placed on high alert as FARDC attacked and killed some rebels. On the "training issue" I promise you,Nigerians will be trained in SA in the near future.

patriot4:
Stop using the word fact. I think you don't know what it means.
And I can verry easilly say that south africa doesn't produce any missiles as well.
Nigeria produces missiles and yes it is a secret technology given that we obtained its new version from north korea (and we risked sanctions for that), and we also don't want our neighbours or other African countries to feel threatened. I remember Kenya crying foul when Nigeria was buying technology from North Korea

patriot4:
Stop using the word fact. I think you don't know what it means.
And I can verry easilly say that south africa doesn't produce any missiles as well.
Nigeria produces missiles and yes it is a secret technology given that we obtained its new version from north korea (and we risked sanctions for that), and we also don't want our neighbours or other African countries to feel threatened. I remember Kenya crying foul when Nigeria was buying technology from North Korea

Msauza:

Nigeria does not have the capability of producing missiles. That pipe that you are smoking is too strong for you, I will only advice to leave it once and for all.

patriot4:
Nigeria does produce missiles. I stated verrifiable facts.
You are just too lazy to do the research on your own.
The USA even threatened us with sanctions.
It is hard to have some one like you talk to some one like me in this manner.
I have more knowledge than you and I am stating facts you can verrify, but instead you keep insulting me and claiming I am wrong.

Mike..ZA:
Fighting in DRC is taking place less than 10km from the SA troops. The paras are ready to support the battalion. We also might hear the Rooivalk made its first kill every soon. Let's talk about the situation in DRC not some obsolete missile Nigeria obtained from the DPRK.

saengine: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/nigeria/

Nigeria Special Weapons

Missiles

 On 28 January 2004 it was reported that North Korea had agreed to share missile technology with Nigeria. Officials gave no details of the deal, including whether Nigeria would receive assembled missiles or technology. Nigeria claimed the missile help would be used for "peacekeeping" and to protect its territory. Vice President Atiku Abubakar agreed to the "program of cooperation that includes missile technology" with Yang Hyong Sop. A statement from the Nigerian Vice President's office said the West African nation's "government would continue to cooperate with the Korean government in the defense sector, an area in which both Nigeria and North Korea had cooperated over the years."

According to Vice-President Atiku Abubarkar's spokesmen Onukaba Ojo in the report " The subject of arms sales had come up at a meeting in Abuja, Tuesday between Atiku and his North Korean counterparts, Yang Hyong-Sop. Atiku had met with the North Korean delegation to discuss buying missiles. We have since discussed the matter with Nigerian defence officials and found that the suggestion had come from North Korea". He added, " They came to us wanting a memorandum of understanding signed with us towards developing missile technology and training and manufacture of ammunition. They were just trying to get us interested, but there hasn't been any interest shown on our side. We are not interested, but we didn't tell them".After the United States hinted at sanctions, Nigeria walked away from the planned partnership.

saengine:

Why put a picture of the Javelin anti-tank missile? Delete that picture you fraud, it has nothing to do with Nigeria.

And which Swingfire missiles are you going to fire at us if YOUR link states production ended in 1993. How do you train your troops to use it? You fire 1 missile a year for the past 20 years? You must choose.....either you have no missiles to fight us, or you have missiles but troops who are completely useless at using them. And don't talk about Britain and other users, they obviously bought more missiles than Nigeria.

Add to that the new series of IFV's are slated to be fitted with the Mongoose hard kill protection system. One of the best systems around. Your 1 lonely soldier that knows how to use your remaining Swingfire will look in shock as his missile is blown to pieces from his hiding spot.

patriot4: First of all north Korea is one of the best nations in the world in missile technology. Iran which is also one of the best in that field got its technology from north korea.
And it is the technology I was talking about. I am anxious to see your troops face M23. But it seems to me that their officers are still in training, so what you have there for now are officers who were not the first choice, so let us say some substitutes. Let get the popcorns and watch.

agaugust:


if you think nigerian army does not know how to use their own swingfire anti-tank guided missiles, put 5 people in your family in one car and ask a nigerian soldier to fire the missile on your family, then after the testing, ask your family menbers if they feel anything like a headache or stomach ache


now back to school my boy, i take you again to my classroom for todays lecture.

i first posted video of swingfire missile on page 500 as part of my promise 3 days ago to forum members to post 'general photos' of swingfire missile, i already declared i dont have any photo of nigerian swingfire missile.

so where is my fraud you dumbo ?

my second post of swingfire is to show battlefield use of anti-tank missiles NOT to show a photo of swingfire. the 3 missiles in that second post are not swingfire and i did not say they are. i wanted people to see how real live combat use of anti-tank missiles is done since you cannot help the forum to learn the real art of war, all you do is copy and paste photos from DENEL website you dumbo ?

i shpowed this forum photos to prove my point that anti-tank missiles can be fired from hidden positions in bush or house windows. show me the fraud i committed by sharing that information with this forum ?

all you south africans never help us to see real war situation, all you do is post range and paint colour of weapons to mislead us here and give a wrong impression that war is won by producing and photographing weapons on internet.

sorry to disappoint you, not only south africa has defence against anti-tank missiles, most modern armoured vehicles have it including the super types like BTR-3U, even smaller APC's of modern times have decoys protection. so dont let your south african DENEL decieve you, anti-missile protection has been existing in europe, america, asia before DENEL tried to make one.

lastly, my student, i have to disappoint you again, that your s.tupid DENEL Mongoose hard kill protection system will not save south african army armoured vehicles from nigerian army swingfire anti-tank guided missile because the mongoose detects laser guided missiles by their laser rays and defends itself, but unfortunately for south africa, nigerian army swingfire antitank missile is not laser guided, it uses flying wire guidance and it will destroy all, i mean all south african army armoured vehicles of all categories and all brand names.....

nigerian army swing-fire anti tank guided missile remains the most deadly in all africa !

please go kiss and hug the nearest 20,000 volts electricity tranformer

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patriot4: This doesn't contradict what I said. Secrecy implies denial. but it is good that one of you is finally doing research. I don't need to always do all the work for you.

NaijaPikinGidi: Where is MsauZA the UNISA law student? You ran away from your secrecy bill debate? You also ran away from Agaugust man to man physical challenge with Algeria? You pick your fights it would seem ... yet you still make a fool of yourself?

saengine:

Look at him running to his hole after a bruising. Secrecy implies blah blah blah. Useless. There is no secrecy. Nigeria has no current ability to produce missiles simple. Done.

saengine:

Hehehehe. Own goal after own goal after own goal. I said which missiles are Nigeria training with if production of Swingfire ended in 1993? This is why there is now a debate about Nigeria producing its own missiles. And dont talk about Britain, they obviously bought the largest number of missiles and have the biggest stockpile. So you must pick one....either your troops are training by firing 1 missile a year since 1993 or you will come to battle with a big stock of missiles but non of the young fresh troops know how to fire them . I didnt read the rubbish about you trying to explain the picture. You cant find a picture of Nigerian Swingfire Maybe its classified like your secret balloons. Or maybe its an old missile the world stopped making 20 years ago.


Um...can i ask you something? Did you pull that information about Mongoose from your a**? You just felt like making stuff up didnt you? Mongoose gives protection from RPG's, rockets and anti tank missiles. Thats why it can hit an RPG. RPG's are not laser guided, they dont have any guidance at all. The fact that you highlighted that in red must be one of your lowest moments on this forum. . If the threat is wire guided and not laser guided (which it does detect) the missile is picked up as incoming ordinace such as an RPG. Meaning unless your swingfire is travelling at 1m/s it will still be shot down.

saengine:

Hehehehe. Own goal after own goal after own goal. I said which missiles are Nigeria training with if production of Swingfire ended in 1993? This is why there is now a debate about Nigeria producing its own missiles. And dont talk about Britain, they obviously bought the largest number of missiles and have the biggest stockpile. So you must pick one....either your troops are training by firing 1 missile a year since 1993 or you will come to battle with a big stock of missiles but non of the young fresh troops know how to fire them . I didnt read the rubbish about you trying to explain the picture. You cant find a picture of Nigerian Swingfire Maybe its classified like your secret balloons. Or maybe its an old missile the world stopped making 20 years ago.


Um...can i ask you something? Did you pull that information about Mongoose from your a**? You just felt like making stuff up didnt you? Mongoose gives protection from RPG's, rockets and anti tank missiles. Has nothing to do with tracking lasers. Thats why it can hit an RPG. RPG's are not laser guided, they dont have any guidance at all. The fact that you highlighted that in red must be one of your lowest moments on this forum.

patriot4:
Can someone post a picture of that missile test in Lagos for this olodo, please !

patriot4: If there is no secrecy then there is no need for spies. Nigeria does produce missiles and has a coherent military policy unlike some countries (eg SA).
Remember that it is not because you believe in something that it automatically becomes true.
there are many evidences to show that Nigeria is hiding missile technology.
End of story.