LT SHANGY: please, my fellow NIGERIANS, You don't have to blame the south africans for their mistakes and erred comments. They (south africans) have failed to realise the huge gap between the apartheid SADF and post-apartheid SANDF. The SADF was a hugely strong military, well equipped and well funded. This present SANDF is nothing to write home about, budget constrains has forced them to ground their grippens and rooivaks. They re not well funded and equipped. This is my ranking
1) EGYPT
2) ALGERIA
3) NIGERIA
4) SOUTH AFRICA
5) ETHIOPIA
6) ZIMBWABWE
7) MORROCCO
SUDAN
9) KENYA
10) CHAD

Looking at your write-up, one would expect that you'd rank South Africa further down.

But you don't even have the confidence to do that. .

Budget cuts but still better funded than Naai-geria. Budgets cuts but capable of getting more funding any time war breaks out.

Still more formidable than Naai-geria.

Still ranked higher than Naai-geria, unless you're on Naai-raland. You'll wake up tomorrow and your rankings will have evaporated into the darkness. It's all wishful thinking

TRIBALISM:

IGBOS will never rule Nigeria again.

http://dailypost.com.ng/2013/05/19/abubakar-mamman-ngulde-the-igbos-will-never-rule-nigeria-again/

Msauza: TRIBALISM:

IGBOS will never rule Nigeria again.

http://dailypost.com.ng/2013/05/19/abubakar-mamman-ngulde-the-igbos-will-never-rule-nigeria-again/

That's why Igbos like Naaijapigoon run to South Africa. They have effectively been excluded from Naai-geria's political setup.

Msauza: TRIBALISM:

IGBOS will never rule Nigeria again.

http://dailypost.com.ng/2013/05/19/abubakar-mamman-ngulde-the-igbos-will-never-rule-nigeria-again/

Watch this fellow begin the trademark digression and derailment antics! Not so fast boy!b

NaijaPikinGidi:

Watch this fellow begin the trademark digression and derailment antics! Not so fast boy!b

How is looking at your inability to be a unified force a digression?

It's not.

http://www.ournaira.com/all-noise-about-the-deportation-of-igbos-is-political-fashola/

The Igbos are "deported" back to their villages, inside Naai-geria.

Are you Igbo, Naai-japigoon?

But you're safe in South Africa.

Here's the one I was talking about:

Igbo no longer part of Naai-geria's politics.

And they think that they can fight invading forces?


http://dailypost.com.ng/2013/07/31/igbo-no-longer-part-of-nigerias-politics-ohanaeze-ndigbo/

CraigB:

How is looking at your inability to be a unified force a digression?

It's not.

I see you have recovered from the battering from earlier in the day! Enjoy your Nairaland guaranteed freedom!n

How can a devided country like Nigeria ever fight a war with another country, we know a war would give igbos an opportunity to declare biafra.

NaijaPikinGidi:

I see you have recovered from the battering from earlier in the day! Enjoy your Nairaland guaranteed freedom!n

Battering, where?

As you enjoy Hillbrow, Naija-Pigoon?

Our little Igbo All4Naaija.

2smooth2shout:

from the way you sound, i doubt you know the meaning of war. go and learn first before talking trash

The only war Nigeria has ever fought alone was against Boko Haram,which they're begging for ceasefire now.

zetdee: How can a devided country like Nigeria ever fight a war with another country, we know a war would give igbos an opportunity to declare biafra.

That's what I wanna know

They are fighting among themselves; and then they think that they can fight others?

http://integrityreporters.com/news/lagos-is-safe-for-igbo-and-their-businesses-lagos-acn-assures/

Igbo issues, MEND, BH, Christians, Muslims.

It's a big joke. I'm sure if and when attacked, Naai-gerians would sell each other out.

One Nigeria is clearly a fuss, where have you ever head of people been deported in their own country.

www.nairaland.com/1382680/igbo-deportee-lagos-dies-others

www.nairaland.com/1383794/massob-alleged-deportation-igbos-ngige

NaijaPikinGidi:

Watch this fellow begin the trademark digression and derailment antics! Not so fast boy!b

don't mind the f00ls. anytime they get hit they resort to internal problems. the maggots can't even talk about their failed military operations i posted.

2smooth2shout:

yeah you did and failed woefully. am not a novice on SA matters bob.

In Angola in the spring of 1988 the armed forces of apartheid South Africa and the US-backed mercenaries of Jonas Savimbi were defeated by the combined force of the Cuban military, the Angolan army, and the military units of the liberation movements of South Africa and Namibia. This led directly to the independence of Namibia and then to the fall of the apartheid regime in South Africa itself. Cuba’s heroic role is the outstanding example of principled anti-imperialist internationalism in the last decades of the twentieth century.
http://monthlyreview.org/2013/04/01/the-military-defeat-of-the-south-africans-in-angola

The late Lt Gen Deon Ferreira (a colonel at the
time and SADF force commander in South East
Angola) was quoted in the Paratus (SADF
publication) of March 1989 after the Lomba Battle
as follows:
"If defeat for South Africa meant the loss of 31
men, three tanks, five armoured vehicles and
three aircraft, then we'd lost. If victory for Fapla
and the Cubans meant the loss of 4,600 men, 94
tanks, 100 armoured vehicles, 9 aircraft and
other Soviet equiptment valued at more than a
billion Rands, then they'd won."

2smooth2shout: am waiting for south africans to dispute the facts about your military failures you've been bragging about. SA didn't fight the bush war alone. they had all the external supports and lost. then mike..za wants to tell me about "war" that he doesn't know the meaning.

The late Lt Gen Deon Ferreira (a colonel at the
time and SADF force commander in South East
Angola) was quoted in the Paratus (SADF
publication) of March 1989 after the Lomba Battle
as follows:
"If defeat for South Africa meant the loss of 31
men, three tanks, five armoured vehicles and
three aircraft, then we'd lost. If victory for Fapla
and the Cubans meant the loss of 4,600 men, 94
tanks, 100 armoured vehicles, 9 aircraft and
other Soviet equiptment valued at more than a
billion Rands, then they'd won." Mike..ZA is still taking you Village Nigerian boys to school.

zetdee: One Nigeria is clearly a fuss, where have you ever head of people been deported in their own country.

www.nairaland.com/1382680/igbo-deportee-lagos-dies-others

www.nairaland.com/1383794/massob-alleged-deportation-igbos-ngige

How can such a nation fight anyone?

Where shall we rank them, Zetdee? 12? 15?

Remember that Mali failed because of their divisions.

Naai-geria is out for the count for the time being. Until god knows when.

Mike..ZA:
The late Lt Gen Deon Ferreira (a colonel at the
time and SADF force commander in South East
Angola) was quoted in the Paratus (SADF
publication) of March 1989 after the Lomba Battle
as follows:
"If defeat for South Africa meant the loss of 31
men, three tanks, five armoured vehicles and
three aircraft, then we'd lost. If victory for Fapla
and the Cubans meant the loss of 4,600 men, 94
tanks, 100 armoured vehicles, 9 aircraft and
other Soviet equiptment valued at more than a
billion Rands, then they'd won." Mike..ZA is still taking you Village Nigerian boys to school.

same old excuse.. like the same excuses you'll always have about your failure in CAR. any excuse of your failure is lesotho?

2smooth2shout:

same old excuse.. like the same excuses you'll always have about your failure in CAR. any excuse of your failure is lesotho?

An "excuse" you clearly can't counter. The excuse is an explanation, clearly.

SERG, in a statement issued by its Coordinator General, Chief Willy Ezugwu, said the recent action of the Lagos State government “has set a bad precedent that must be immediately reversed to forestall the breakup of Nigeria along ethno-regional lines.”


http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/national-news/128983-deportation-igbo-demand-recall-compensation-

______

So, step aside BH issues. Enter Igbo issues. SMH

Question remains, how can such a country fight against anyone?

2smooth2shout:

same old excuse.. like the same excuses you'll always have about your failure in CAR. any excuse of your failure is lesotho?

Like our Boer and Zulu ancestors,We always go to battle with less men but manage to inflict heavy losses on the enemy.

Latest military rankings:

1.
2.
3.
4.
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20. Naai-geria

Surely? Non?

Too divided to scare anyone.

CraigB:

How can such a nation fight anyone?

Where shall we rank them, Zetdee? 12? 15?

Remember that Mali failed because of their divisions.

Naai-geria is out for the count for the time being. Until god knows when.

I don't think we should even consider them up for ranking, their worse enemy is themselves, any country at war with them can play on that division untill they turn on themselves. If small Boko- Haram which has foreign leaders can cause so much damage imagine what a country could do, i remember Cameroonpride making this point.

zetdee:

I don't think we should even consider them up for ranking, their worse enemy is themselves, any country at war with them can play on that division untill they turn on themselves. If small Boko- Haram which has foreign leaders can cause so much damage imagine what a country could do, i remember Cameroonpride making this point.

A point buttressed by the fact that their own military people have been accused of helping Boko Haram

How can a military like that ever hope to sustain anything?

Their population numbers actually work against them not for them.

It's just an unmanageable situation for Naai-geria. And they are all sitting here wasting our time.

On second thought, they should be rated at ...30.

2smooth2shout:

how many battalions do you have in sudan

1 battlion and since you pulled out it is more than you have. We all so operate in red zones and have a history of makeing them green zones. That is done by winning hearts and minds. You know not commiting war crimes.

Mike..ZA:
Like our Boer and Zulu ancestors,We always go to battle with less men but manage to inflict heavy losses on the enemy.

so your definition of a victory is inflicting only casualties without successfully subduing your enemy? you broke your enemy's arm but he went home with the trophy and you call yourself victorious?

you should perhaps just say Japan won the battle against America cos they inflicted a lot of casualties on US but still surrendered.

so this is the strategy they teach in your military institutions? you are daft.

your zulu ancestors just ran around with spears without strategies on how to make the enemy retreat or surrender and that's the same tactics being used by your military from the bush war, lesotho to CAR.

SANDF have never won any battle against any opponent. be it rebel, poachers or country

I don't see Nigeria doing anything of significance outside Naai-geria for a while.

Not while Naai-geria burns.

They have effectively been handicapped.

2smooth2shout:

dude, you failed woefully in Lesotho. only a novice will think SANDF failures started from CAR

South Africans botch military intervention in Lesotho

At 6h30 South African Time on Tuesday, 22 September 1998, 600 troops backed by AFV's and APC's crossed the border into Lesotho in an armed intervention designed to quell the unrest in Maseru and the purported mutiny of junior officers in the Lesotho army.

They achieved the exact opposite. Moving in against fierce resistance, with poor information from their intelligence apparatus, they failed to secure their objectives timeously, and stood by while the Basotho basically looted and burnt down their own capital. The major causes of this failure were due to a lack of intelligence as to the situation on the ground, and the fact that they were understrength militarily for an operation of this nature.

I suspect that most of the South African casualties occurred in the first few hours as the South Africans waltzed in like some sort of colonial expedition, expecting the natives to see our "maxim guns" and run away. Wars don't happen like that. Something the South African general staff only realised to its dismay when it was too late. Not only was order not restored, but the South African army and the Botswana army stood by and watched Maseru go up in flames. I think it would be accurate to say that they failed to achieve all their objectives in this "splendid little war".

The intervention was authorised by the SADC apparently in line with some agreement with Lesotho in 1994, that the SADC could intervene to preserve the ruling regime, should it come under threat. Elections had been held in May 1998 and the ruling party had scored 79 out of the 80 seats. This caused an uproar with accusations from the opposition supported by the junior officers of the army, that the election had been rigged. A commission of enquiry was held with Judge Pius Langa as its head into these allegations. Langa is a South African judge. The report was ambiguous. On one hand it stated that there had been fraud. On the other hand it did not find that the election had been rigged.

After the report appeared, the opposition engaged in steady "unrest" against the government. Junior officers forced 15 of their seniors to resign. These senior officers fled to South Africa. Mandela and Mbeki were overseas, when Buthelezi, the Minister for Home Affairs, and head of the Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP), who was the acting President of South Africa, consulted them about an SADC intervention in Lesotho. They agreed to this, and on Tuesday morning the troop carriers rolled.

As things stand now, it appears that sporadic fighting continues between SADC and members of the Lesotho army. The South African intervention is enormously unpopular with the Basotho who regard it as an invasion by their big brother next door. South African journalists have been shot at and harassed, and if you are a South African, Lesotho is not the safest place to be at the moment.

The central business district (CBD) of Maseru has basically been cleaned out by looters and burnt to the ground. The equivalent of half of Lesotho's economy has been wiped out in one week, while the SADC troops stood by and watched. A considerable portion of those businesses destroyed were South African. Reuters reports that: "Lesotho does not have its own major retailers. South African companies are responsible for virtually all fresh food and produce, furniture and clothing sold in the country."

It is extremely doubtful whether the insurance companies will pay out for the damage. They will use the "war, riot, and insurrection" exclusion clause to escape liability. All of this means that South Africans will not be returning to Lesotho anytime soon. With half their economy gone, the Basotho will cross the border looking for work. Unemployed South Africans will not be too happy with this.

Joel's interpretation: The South African government has created an unbelievable mess. Not only have they failed to achieve their stated objectives to restore law and order, but they have failed to preserve South African interests by standing by while Maseru went up in flames, after a steady round of pillaging by its inhabitants. The inhabitants of Maseru have displayed a capacity for self-destructive behaviour which seems to be found throughout most of Africa rendering it the most wartorn and undeveloped continent in the world.

The naievity of the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) and the Defence Ministry is truly astounding. They went in there assuming that they would be considered "peace-keepers" or that there would be very little resistance. In other words they planned this *military* operation as though the best outcome was a foregone conclusion. They did not realise that when one engages in military operations you hit the objectives with maximum force immediately to gain military dominance as quickly as possible. You assume the worst and hope for the best.

Therefore you do not attempt to effectively take over a country (which is what an armed intervention is) with a force of anything less than divisional strength. In addition you make sure that you gather the intelligence you need and plan the operation properly. You do not haphazardly gallop across the countryside, asking the locals for directions or how many entrances there are to the royal palace that you are about to assault !

The sheer stupidity and incompetence leaves me breatheless ! What also astounds me is that Mandela and Mbeki, and the foreign minister Nzo are overseas when South Africa engages in the first military operation of the ANC's tenure as government. This is a dereliction of duty and betrays an almost colonial attitude towards Lesotho. As though the Basotho are mere natives with spears, and bones through their noses who will cave into our little act of gunboat diplomacy !

If they had executed a proper military operation, the SANDF could have secured Maseru and the "strategic" hamlets within hours and prevented the destruction of Maseru. This would have enabled the SADC to gain space to sort Lesotho out. It would have been unpopular in Lesotho, but South African credibility would have remained intact, at least as a hegemonic power in the region. Instead we have a debacle
http://www.ecn.org/communitas/en/en121.html

There were problems, this took place during bad times for the SANDF yet even so the coup was stoped, lestho is stabel and it economy recoverd.

2smooth2shout: am waiting for south africans to dispute the facts about your military failures you've been bragging about. SA didn't fight the bush war alone. they had all the external supports and lost. then mike..za wants to tell me about "war" that he doesn't know the meaning.

What failures? Even CAR is a succses, primary mission was the protecstion of the training team. Non of them were hurt. The base was sucsfully defended and the rebels pulled back from it. Hell they did not even ocupy it after we left. Lestho, we stoped a coup and in angola we never lost a battel not one.

andrewza:

There were problems, this took place during bad times for the SANDF yet even so the coup was stoped, lestho is stabel and it economy recoverd.

no. it went terribly wrong when SANDF went in alone and normalized after Zimbabwe and Botswana came to your rescue. i know the history very well

2smooth2shout:

so your definition of a victory is inflicting only casualties without successfully subduing your enemy? you broke your enemy's arm but he went home with the trophy and you call yourself victorious?

you should perhaps just say Japan won the battle against America cos they inflicted a lot of casualties on US but still surrendered.

so this is the strategy they teach in your military institutions? you are daft.

your zulu ancestors just ran around with spears without strategies on how to make the enemy retreat or surrender and that's the same tactics being used by your military from the bush war, lesotho to CAR.

SANDF have never won any battle against any opponent. be it rebel, poachers or country

Let say there is a judo match. One win by pushing the other out of the ring but but the victor had his leg broken doing it.

In CAR our mission was not to defend bangui it was not in our mandat, nore was even fighting seleka. If seleka had not fired on us there would have been zero battel. They fired first and started a bttel. They then relzied that we were not running away like fomac and they asked for a ceast fire. Maybe if you under stood the term objective we could talk to each other.

The deportation of hapless Igbo people.

2smooth2shout:

so your definition of a victory is inflicting only casualties without successfully subduing your enemy? you broke your enemy's arm but he went home with the trophy and you call yourself victorious?

you should perhaps just say Japan won the battle against America cos they inflicted a lot of casualties on US but still surrendered.

so this is the strategy they teach in your military institutions? you are daft.

your zulu ancestors just ran around with spears without strategies on how to make the enemy retreat or surrender and that's the same tactics being used by your military from the bush war, lesotho to CAR.

SANDF have never won any battle against any opponent. be it rebel, poachers or country

. You're highly mistaken. "
The "bull horn" formation
Most historians credit Shaka with initial
development of the famous "bull horn"
formation.[17] It was composed of three
elements:
1. The main force, the "chest," closed with the
enemy Impi and pinned it in position. The
warriors who comprised the "chest" were
senior veterans.[18]
2. The "horns," while the enemy Impi was
pinned by the "chest," would flank the Impi
from both sides and encircle it; in conjunction
with the "chest" they would then destroy the
trapped force. The warriors who comprised the
"horns" were young and fast juniors.[18]
3. The "loins," a large reserve, was placed,
seated, behind the "chest" with their backs to
the battle. The "loins" would be committed
wherever the enemy Impi threaten to break
out of the encirclement.[18]
Coordination was supplied by regimental
" izinduna" (chiefs or leaders) who used hand
signals and messengers. The scheme was
elegant in its simplicity, and well understood
by the warriors assigned to each echelon." Now counter this by showing me,any hausa,yuroba or Igbo invented battle tactic.