agaugust:

only a foolish country will think it is militarily good enough by itself alone....the way south africa thinks and United Nations does not trust your army so Tanzania is your boss in Congo DRC war UN mission.

stop misinforming people here dude !

pakistani air force defeated indian air force in air to air combat, neutral sources confirmed and i dont care about propaganda, the truth is known to war history experts.

"The Pakistanis lost some 25 aircraft (11 in air combat), while the Indians lost 60 (25 in air combat). This was an impressive result"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1965


Nigerian F-7 jet pilots got first training from China's air force, then based on our long term defence pact with Pakistan they have to give nigerian pilots ALL the war experience Pakistan used to defeat Indian air force in 1965/1971 wars and they always have to do live combat air exercises with us as our military partners based on the joint defence pact.

if the above information hurts you, then jump into river zambezi and end all your sorrows....its sunday....a good day to die....heaven's gate might be open at this hour

nigrian air force jet fighter pilots are very deadly, don't try them o !

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What are you talking about? Are you saying SA does not train with other countries or send personal on foreign courses? If so you really wrong. You give way to much credit to the intellectual abilities of the UN.


What neutral source? Only india and Pakistan have given numbers and bother are claiming victory in the air war. And seeing our Pakistan lost at sea and the ground I find it hard india lost the air war.


So NAF is using chinas/Pakistan docktrain for there F7 even though NAF does not have the numbers or advance fighters to fight like that.

agaugust:

....when compared to Botswana, Lesotho, and Swaziland

Botswana has one of Africa's best disciplined infantry. Way better than Nigeria's. This comment further demonstrates how empty your head is.

agaugust:

i mean BVR AAM...beyond visual range air to air missiles.

PL-9C missile is as powerful as IRIS-T missile. PL-9C is the missile on JF-17 Thunder and the JF-17 is equal to a Gripen.

Nigerian air force pilots in real life war drills have tested our F-7 jets in dogfight combat air to air against Pakistan's air force and mighty China's air force a world super power, and we know how use all our jets and missiles perfectly.

nigerian military is just not in the same noise making newspaper self-advertisement and internet publicity marketing that south african military has decided to busy itself with for many years.

south africa has turned respected military things to become like ordinary police affairs.

Nigerian F-7 jet pilots after air to air combat drills in the air engaging the air force of Pakistan

The F7 is simply an upgrade of the MIG-21 jet. Which SAAF shoot down in Angola using cannons not missiles. Anyone can predict which fighter will win between F7 jet vs the Griffin.

agaugust:

maybe not in south africa, there are american civilians who were trained by ex-USAF combat pilots to fly privately owned jet fighters, and many of them have the combat skills taught to them on those jets, but they have never used it in war because they are civilians.

south africa is NOT an advanced country, remember.

Flying a fighter jet does not make one a fighter pilot. You can fly some fighter jets in Cape Town,people who wanna go supersonic around the world come here.

agaugust:

hahaha

you still proved my points to be correct. umkhonto missile is ONLY tested and ONLY effective against aircraft or slow flying cruise missiles all in the air above the warship, NOT against a sea water skimming or hugging anti-ship missile like nigerian NNS Aradu Otomat anti-shi missile.

the sea skua test was umkhonto against a air flying drone aircraft, the banshee test in finland was also against an air flying drone aircraft.

"Banshee entered service with the British Army in the mid-1980s as an aerial target for the Short Blowpipe and Javelin shoulder launched anti-aircraft missiles"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meggitt_Banshee

my friend, get this into your head finally and finally, no missile developer with aim of using a missile to stop and anti-ship missile, will design that missile in vertical cell to first fly upwards in a wasted journey like the children of israel in the wilderness, then the defensive missile will start turning upside down again to come back to face the very ship that launched it and try save the ship from a sea water surface hugging Otomat anti-ship missile....use your head even if you dont like to do so, just try once in a while to think like a man that went to school, even if it was a soweto village classroom

see, nobody in the world has been able to stop an exocet anti-ship missile, reason why Argentina used it to sink a powerful British navy destroyer warship that has all the missile, electronic jamming, and heavy/light gun defenses in the world during falklands war. also American navy purchased Otomat anti-ship missile and tested it against US NAVY warships but the Otomat missile defeated ALL marican navy missile defences, then the whole world knew that NOBODY can stop and Otomat missile the messenger of death from NNS Aradu.

both DENEL and south african navy tested fired exocet missiles and umkhonto missiles SEPARATELY AGAINST DIFFERENT TARGETS but not against each other because DENEL was NOT bold enough to test umkhonto to stop a sea skimming exocet anti-ship missile because they know IT WILL FAIL and spoil their marketing over-rating business stragtegy

unkhonto missile CANNOT stop NNS Aradu Otomat sea water surface hugging/skimming anti-ship missile, nigerian navy will sink all south african navy warships from longer range 80km-180km. FACT PROVED 100 TIMES ON THIS FORUM.

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Show us where Nigeria's Navy fired its otomat missile in Anger or test against a stealth ship. Point defence: The Umkhonto missile protects the ship from all sides,any missiles or bombs that bridge this can be shredded by the Denel dual purpose gun at range of 6km.

Mike..ZA You no dey ever tire for all this your yeye tendencies?

Mike..ZA:
Botswana has one of Africa's best disciplined infantry. Way better than Nigeria's. This comment further demonstrates how empty your head is.

Can you kindly expand on what makes Botswana a more disciplined army, i.e. what criteria you used? Are you talking about a parade ground army or discipline under combat conditions etc.

No fantasist's response please.

rka1:

Can you kindly expand on what makes Botswana a more disciplined army, i.e. what criteria you used? Are you talking about a parade ground army or discipline under combat conditions etc.

No fantasist's response please.

Good question.

Aeromedical Contract Costs South Africa
by African Defence Admin • October 14, 2013

A bungled contract at the Department of Defence has cost the taxpayer almost R300m with nothing to show for it after a ruling of the International Chamber of Commerce arbitration court.

The revelation that the 2009 contract with Austrian company AMST for aeromedical equipment was repeatedly botched follows news last week that repeated failure by the Armscor board over 36 months has led to a contract for specialised camping equipment for South African soldiers abroad lapsing. The same applies to a contract for high-altitude parachutes.

The arbitration award comes at a bad time for the cash-strapped department, which is keeping Gripen jet fighters and Agusta helicopters in storage for want of money to fly them.

An internal Department of Defence memorandum, which Business Day has seen, says AMST claims the department has repeatedly failed to respond to numerous letters calling for it to honour its contractual obligations in the matter of advance payments.

“As a result … AMST alleges that it was left with no option but to cancel the contract and recover its costs under the agreement. The contract provides for an arbitration process in the event of a dispute between the parties in accordance with rules of the International Chamber of Commerce,” the memorandum says.

AMST initially claimed €35.5m in proceedings that began in Zurich early last year, but in a sitting in December it reduced the claim to €14.8m. This increased to €22m in the final award by the International Chamber of Commerce made in July and August this year.

The memorandum concluded “in order to avoid further escalation of interest on the capital it is recommended that the Department of Defence should, as a matter of urgency, effect payment “.

Department of Defence spokesman Siphiwe Dlamini said, “I can confirm that the International Arbitration did rule in favour of AMST and the matter has been settled with the payment of liabilities by the Department of Defence, at the reduced cost than had been demanded by ASMT”.

Democratic Alliance defence spokesman David Maynier, responding to the memorandum, said it was astounding that the department had managed to hide a potential liability of about R700m from Parliament.

“The fact that the department was in arbitration with AMST-Systemtechnik was never disclosed to Parliament. No provision appears to have been made in the department’s account for the potential liability of the failed … contract.

“I also suspect that there will be an attempt to pay the final award, in the amount of about R287m, through the secret Special Defence Account,” Mr Maynier said.

Local defence analyst and expert consultant Helmoed Romer Heitman explained that aeromedical equipment is installed in transport aircraft to ensure the survival of wounded and injured soldiers back to South Africa. This has particular relevance to the evacuation of wounded soldiers in the Central African Republic earlier this year, and South Africa ’s increased deployment of soldiers in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

“It is a disaster for the Department of Defence to have allowed itself to be dragged into a situation such as this. It asks the question of whether the equipment was bought elsewhere if at all and if our medics are having to make do with obsolete equipment,” Mr Heitman said.

Mr Maynier said: “The defence department constantly complains that the defence budget is underfunded. However, the AMST-Systemtechnik contract scandal raises serious questions about how the department manages the defence budget. In the end, we are going to have to determine who was responsible and who will be held accountable for the … contract scandal”.

SAN's, oya oh, make una come explain the above.

rka1:

Can you kindly expand on what makes Botswana a more disciplined army, i.e. what criteria you used? Are you talking about a parade ground army or discipline under combat conditions etc.

No fantasist's response please.

Apply your "ranking systems". Which you use to rank how discipline a army is to the BDF.

Henry120: SAN's, oya oh, make una come explain the above.

Tgere is a big push by the SANDF and DOD has a whole to streamline procument so amrscores(they run all procument) failers are being made public or leaked to the press.

The chairman of armscor has been dissmised and he is apealing so this is being used has proof to show he failed in his mandate.

NaijaPikinGidi: Mike..ZA You no dey ever tire for all this your yeye tendencies?

Here are the facts: No matter where the Nigerian armed would meet the SANDF in a battle situation. Your army would perish under real fire,before your army can learn how to fight a conventional war. It will be wiped out SAAF.

Mike..ZA:
Here are the facts: No matter where the Nigerian armed would meet the SANDF in a battle situation. Your army would perish under real fire,before your army can learn how to fight a conventional war. It will be wiped out SAAF.

Recycle Bin tendencies! From which dust bin did you emerge from?

Mike..ZA:
Here are the facts: No matter where the Nigerian armed would meet the SANDF in a battle situation. Your army would perish under real fire,before your army can learn how to fight a conventional war. It will be wiped out SAAF.

you have a short memory

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agaugust:

you have a short memory

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*falls from escalator*

You're wicked I swear.

agaugust:

you have a short memory

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And so do you, fake man.

CraigB:

And so do you, fake man.

*payback*,question:cause of death of the above.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-president-visits-south-africa-20561622


French President Promotes African Peacekeeping
JOHANNESBURG October 14, 2013 (AP)
By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA Associated Press

French President Francois Hollande said Monday that an African security summit in Paris in December will promote the formation of African peacekeeping forces that can intervene in regional conflicts.

Hollande also said during a visit to South Africa that France will support a regional force that will try to bring stability to Central African Republic, which has been in turmoil since rebels overthrew the president there in March. France has said it might increase its troop presence in Central African Republic to back an African Union force, with France's military mission going beyond protecting French interests in the country

"France's role is not to substitute (an African force), but to assist, support, and train," Hollande said during a news conference with South African President Jacob Zuma.

Many African leaders are expected to attend the security summit in Paris on Dec. 6-7.

"The idea is to promote the creation of regional African forces having the ability to intervene at the right time, with the decisions to be taken at the AU and U.N.," Hollande said.

The goal, he said, is "to avoid new tragedies."

Hollande praised South Africa for contributing troops to a United Nations mission with a mandate to help fight rebels in eastern Congo. He also commented on South Africa's role in regional efforts to ensure peaceful elections later this month in Madagascar, as well as South Africa's political support for France's intervention in Mali earlier this year to fight Islamic militants.

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Associated Press Writer Sylvie Corbet contributed to this report from Paris.

Hezron Lorraine: *payback*,question:cause of death of the above.

Er, bullets...

Ag shame, tog. Hollande needs South Africa in CAR.


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PRETORIA (Reuters) – French President Francois Hollande said on Monday the collapse of the Central African Republic could destabilise the region, as he sought to drum up support for increased military intervention while on a state visit to South Africa.

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/world/frances-hollande-central-african-republic-troubles-could-spill-over-1171803.html?utm_source=hp-footer

Around what price can a SCUD3A missile be purchased.is it necessary for an african nation to have it.

CraigB:

Er, bullets...

i lost interest in answering back at you, a human being that is not smart enough to differentiate between a south african army that ran away from seleka rebels in C.A.R. just because they lost 13 SANDF army personnel in combat thus refusing in fear to go back in force to challenge seleak and redeem their south african national pride......

.....and a nigerian army that daily and hourly pursues boko haram fighters into the mountains and forests killing hundreds of boko haram fighters including their number one leader abubakar shekau right inside his own camp/heavily guarded base/stronghold and continuing to look for, find, attack, kill and put boko haram on the run, not minding the loss of a few dozens of nigerian army soldiers in battle with the killing of hundreds of boko haram in the process and capturing their RPG anti-armour rockets, AK-47 rifles, 30mm 4x4 vehicle mounted cannon, and the new boko haram anti-aircraft guns obtained from Ghadaffi's Libya civil war weapons looted into civilian hands.

if you are not intelligent enough to differentiate between the nigerian army and south african army, then you are NOT worth my time.

i think after about one year on this forum, i want to be selective whose post i reply to, some people are just not worth replying, they add no value to the ongoing conversations, you clearly fall into that category.

this forum achieved a lot in your absence and will be very much better off without people like you.





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Hezron Lorraine: Around what price can a SCUD3A missile be purchased.is it necessary for an african nation to have it.

Angola, Egypt, Libya, Congo DRC all have Scud missiles here in africa

it costs about $2 million depending on model and range. it does not help win a war, Congo DRC has it and yet M23 rebels are kicking the Congolese national army around

Nigeria is building a much better missile at Epe project side, range will end at 500km to 1,000km when project is completed because the nigerian rocket is expected to be able to carry a satellite into space and that needs from 500km range upwards. current range at Epe from 'insider' civilian sources is 120km (source beegeagle blog)

'insider' military sources says nigerian made rockets/missiles at Epe project testing site has many versions being built and tested including a planned long range anti-ship missiles to be based on coastal land to defend against enemy ships at any point in nigerian territorial waters as far as our national EEZ in gulf of guinea.

Angolan Scud Missile
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agaugust:


i lost interest in answering back at you, a human being is not smart enough to differentiate between a south african army that ran away from seleka rebels in C.A.R. just because they lost 13 SANDF army personnel in combat thus refusing in fear to go back in force to challenge seleak and redeem their south african national pride...... and a nigerian army that daily and hourly pursues boko haram fighters into the mountains and forests killing hundreds of boko haram fighters including their number one leader abubakar shekau right inside his own camp/heavily guarded base/stronghold and continuiung to look for, find, attack, kill and put boko haram on the run, not minding the loss of a few dozens of nigerian army soldiers in battle with the killing of hundreds of boko haram in the process and capturing their RPG anti-armour rockets, AK-47 rifles, 30mm 4x4 vehicle mounted cannon, and the new boko haram anti-aircraft guns obtained from Ghadaffi's Libya civil war weapons looted into civilian hands.

if you are not intelligent enough to differentiate between the nigerian army and south african army, then you are NOT worth my time.

i think after about one year on this forum, i want to be selective whose post i reply to, some people are just not worth replying, they add no value to the ongoing conversations, you clearly fall into that category.

this forum achieved a lot in your absence and will be very much better off without people like you.





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Whether you lost interest or not is irrelevant. I don't care whether you respond or not. I will say what needs to be said;as and when I need to. I won't be dictated to.

That one person could determine what a forum achieves or does not achieve means that I've always been on to something.

Now, you have resorted to posting desperate pictures to try and prove that Shekau is dead. I shake my head, as I always have.

Nothing has changed, I see.

You are just upset that I klapped you about your dead soldiers, who are killed by BH (their own brothers) in their own country. We are still in DRC, remember? You, on the other hand are...in the backwaters of Naai-geria, fighting a losing battle.

By the way, I am happier if you don't respond.

It's fun when you post pictures of our fallen soldiers, but it hurts when we do the same? Cry me a river fake man. The moment you learn to stick to the point being argued is the moment you'll be left alone.

09 October 2013.

Mr Fake Man's precious VOA.

http://www.voanews.com/content/in-nigeria-new-video-attributed-to-boko-haram-threats-long-war/1766258.html


New Video Attributed to Boko Haram Threatens Long War



Heather Murdock
October 09, 2013

ABUJA — In Nigeria, many people believe Abubakar Shekau leads Boko Haram, the Islamist militant group blamed for thousands of deaths. A man who sounds like Shekau is heard in a new audio message distributed to journalists, raising questions about claims the terrorist is dead.

Boko Haram used to post its videos on YouTube, but now it sends copies to a couple of journalists in northern Nigeria who distribute them to trusted colleagues and eventually the news agencies. Often the videos are transferred to audio-only files to accommodate the shoddy communications network in northern Nigeria.

This is the latest Boko Haram audio file making its way around Nigeria. It is distinctly the voice of Abubakar Shekau, or a very good impersonation of him. Speaking in the local Hausa language, he says Boko Haram has seized enough weapons to maintain a sustained war to turn Nigeria into his version of an Islamic state, which includes death for non-believers.

But he does not take responsibility for any specific recent attacks, most notably the September 29 raid on a college dormitory where about 40 students were killed, some while they were sleeping.

Nigerian authorities say Boko Haram is losing its power in northern Nigeria. Army spokesperson Brigadier General Ibrahim Attahiru says, “Our operations in the northeast have continued to [destroy] terrorist activities, thereby denying them freedom of action. For the last few weeks there were incidences of Boko Haram terrorists, unprovoked malicious attack and wanton destruction of life and property.”
He says Boko Haram is still conducting attacks, but the military is moving in on the group and apprehending suspects.

Other authorities say that recent security forces successes against Boko Haram include the killing of Shekau.

This is a video released last week of a man who looks and sounds like Shekau saying he is alive. Security forces later told Nigerian newspapers the video was doctored to “sustain a non-existent continuum in leadership.”

But some analysts say both the Boko Haram statements - whoever they came from - and the security forces' claims are a smokescreen, designed by powerful politicians to keep the public confused and the northeast in chaos.

Clement Nwankwo, who heads the Policy and Legal Advocacy Center in Abuja, says, “If you have a military presence in virtually all parts of the north then you are able to determine the number of people that come and vote. If there is fear then it means that a lot of people in the area where you think you do not have support do not necessarily come out and vote.”

During the past four years, Boko Haram has claimed responsibility for attacks on schools, churches, mosques, security forces, banks and the government. Nwankwo says in the past some authorities have declared Shekau dead, while others maintained he was alive.

The only thing 100 percent verifiable, he says, is that innocent people continue to be killed.

Abdulkareem Haruna contributed to this report from Maiduguri

Lest we forget.

zaandrew:

Tgere is a big push by the SANDF and DOD has a whole to streamline procument so amrscores(they run all procument) failers are being made public or leaked to the press.

The chairman of armscor has been dissmised and he is apealing so this is being used has proof to show he failed in his mandate.

You know this simply means your armscor is incompetent and corrupt. I just want you to remember this.

agaugust:


Angola, Egypt, Libya, Congo DRC all have Scud missiles here in africa

it costs about $2 million depending on model and range. it does not help win a war, Congo DRC has it and yet M23 rebels are kicking the Congolese national army around

It looks bogus and intimidating.it's not as expensive as I thought.Nigeria may not really need it.

Nigeria is building a much better missile at Epe project side, range will end at 500km to 1,000km when project is completed because the nigerian rocket is expected to be able to carry a satellite into space and that needs from 500km range upwards. current range at Epe from 'insider' civilian sources is 120km (source beegeagle blog)

'insider' military sources says nigerian made rockets/missiles at Epe project testing site has many versions being built and tested including a planned long range anti-ship missiles to be based on coastal land to defend against enemy ships at any point in nigerian territorial waters as far as our national EEZ in gulf of guinea.

Angolan Scud Missile
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This is an enviable development.I believe with more fundings into this project,Nigeria is sure to develop world class missiles.the pieces have been falling into place,more attention has been paid to missile development in the country than before.

Hezron Lorraine: Around what price can a SCUD3A missile be purchased.is it necessary for an african nation to have it.

Depends on warhead and no.

Henry120:

You know this simply means your armscor is incompetent and corrupt. I just want you to remember this.

Incompetent yes but not corrupt. They loosing money not stealing.

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Henry120:


The last may not have been heard concerning the survival or otherwise of the leader of the outlawed Islamic sect, Boko Haram, Abubkar Shekau, as a security analysis conducted by the Department of the State Security (DSS),yesterday revealed that the recent video appearance of the sect’s leader was unreal.

The security analysis of the video sighted by THISDAY,
noted that the amateur replica cloned everything wrongly
but was not categorical on the death of the terrorist as it
waited on time to determine.

This, however, came same day the Minister of Special
Duties, Alhaji Kabiru Turaki, said it was not part of his duty or mandate as minister and chairman of the Presidential Committee on Dialogue and Peaceful Resolution of the Conflicts in Northern Nigeria to locate Shekau’s whereabout.

But the expert analysis of the video of the sect’s leader in
previous appearances showed that Shekau usually starts with the recitation of a full verse of the Quran, which sometimes could last up to five minutes, a sequence the stand-in Shekau did not observe.

According to a senior official of the agency, who spoke on
conditions of anonymity, the amateur cloned replica of
Shekau was wrong on several grounds including the fact
that his former appearances in videos was patterned after
a certain modus operandi.

It was also observed in the analysis, that unlike on
previous occasions when Shekau spoke, he was never
interrupted by any background praising quite unlike what
happened in the latest video.

The video, which was sent in for analysis by experts
showed that the movement of “Shekau’s lips” did not
synchronise with the words as pronounced, apparently
betraying a recorded message inefficiently manipulated to sustain a non-existent continuum in leadership, now in
disarray.

The experts had stated that the cloned attempt to mimick
Shekau voice during the opening stanza soon gave in, as
the impostor reverted to his real voice, while the intonation was different as Shekau was not known to drawl while talking.

Other inconsistencies discovered by the experts were that:
“This ‘Shekau’ even said a dead woman -Margaret
Thatcher, and Oladipo Diya, rejoiced over his (Shekau's)
death.

A DSS source who spoke to THISDAY said, "How does these add up to strengthen his case? One is dead and the other had left government long before the advent of Boko
Haram. The video was just to create unnecessary panic in the public.

“The fact is that Abubakar Shekau, was truly shot, critically injured and evacuated by his lieutenants to a conventional hospital outside Nigeria. It is only time that will tell if he survived but we know now that the video is as fake as it gets.”

www.thisdaylive.com/articles/boko-haram-shekau-s-am-alive-video-is-fake-says-security-analysis/161110/


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R.I.P in hellfire




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