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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:59am On Oct 16, 2013
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[size=16pt] Nigerian made Epe Rockets now in combat service.... [/size]



there is 'insider' information that nigerian made Epe rockets have secretly entered combat service and is being used by nigerian air force jet fighters and helicopter gunships.

the rockets are of various sizes and ranges, which are also being improved and upgraded regularly as more research and development continues secretly at the Epe missile/rocketry/space/satellite site in a tightly secured and 'no public entry' Lagos waterfront area/island location.

the information from the 'insider' source says the air force has produced its own launchers for the air to ground rockets, while the army is working hard on its own launchers for the bigger and longer range ground to ground artillery rockets, surface to air anti-aircraft missiles versions, and also working with the navy to build land to sea versions in anti-ship missile modes, though source said the anti-aircraft and anti-ship versions will take a longer time to complete than the army ground to ground versions which will be ready likely next year 2014, while the air force version is already in full use and service having being configured by nigerian air force research institute for all combat aircraft to be armed with.

asked to provide some 'proof', the 'insider' source said ...."people have been seeing it but they dont know it is from that Epe site as the first version/model with a range maximum 10km or thereabout "...he then referred to the photo and link below...

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2013/07/naf-rocketpods1.jpg?w=640[/img]



http://beegeagle./2013/07/08/made-in-nigeria-rocket-pod-at-the-nigerian-air-force-air-expo-2012-world-exclusive-photos-props-henry-a-beegeagles-blogger/


for south africans who said nigeria is only firing rockets into sea waters at Epe project site, nigerians laugh at you again cheesy grin shocked tongue shocked

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/national-news/132850-nigeria-resumes-rocket-testing-


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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by zaandrew: 5:25am On Oct 16, 2013
agaugust: .


[size=16pt] Nigerian made Epe Rockets now in combat service.... [/size]



there is 'insider' information that nigerian made Epe rockets have secretly entered combat service and is being used by nigerian air force jet fighters and helicopter gunships.

the rockets are of various sizes and ranges, which are also being improved and upgraded regularly as more research and development continues secretly at the Epe missile/rocketry/space/satellite site in a tightly secured and 'no public entry' Lagos waterfront area/island location.

the information from the 'insider' source says the air force has produced its own launchers for the air to ground rockets, while the army is working hard on its own launchers for the bigger and longer range ground to ground artillery rockets, surface to air anti-aircraft missiles versions, and also working with the navy to build land to sea versions in anti-ship missile modes, though source said the anti-aircraft and anti-ship versions will take a longer time to complete than the army ground to ground versions which will be ready likely next year 2014, while the air force version is already in full use and service having being configured by nigerian air force research institute for all combat aircraft to be armed with.

asked to provide some 'proof', the 'insider' source said ...."people have been seeing it but they dont know it is from that Epe site as the first version/model with a range maximum 10km or thereabout "...he then referred to the photo and link below...

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2013/07/naf-rocketpods1.jpg?w=640[/img]



http://beegeagle./2013/07/08/made-in-nigeria-rocket-pod-at-the-nigerian-air-force-air-expo-2012-world-exclusive-photos-props-henry-a-beegeagles-blogger/


for south africans who said nigeria is only firing rockets into sea waters at Epe project site, nigerians laugh at you again cheesy grin shocked tongue shocked

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/national-news/132850-nigeria-resumes-rocket-testing-


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You bragging about rocket pods?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by zaandrew: 5:55am On Oct 16, 2013
agaugust:

most of the above is just a wish list and day dream of south african military.

south african government has no money to waste any more on defence.

south african CANNOT raise money to maintain the weapons it already has.

only 8 pilots for 26 Gripen jets.

12 Gripen jets are in long term 'deep freezer' cold storage.

only 11 Exocet missiles remain instead of 32 Exocet missiles for 4 valour frigates.

only 46 G6 artillery and 11 Rooivalk helicopters have been purchased since 20 years ago.

stop daydreaming bros, south africa is NOT buying any new major military equipment due to lack of money
grin cheesy tongue cry

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Far from a wish list. SA wish list is 12 grpinen Es, a fourth sub, heavy lift helecopters extra. These are namened and funded projects


There are 18 qulfied gripen pilots and since it takes years to qulafie and we have only had gripens for short time the number will slolwy increase.


Excets are cheap and plentfill with main sources if more are needed

And why do we need more than 46 G6s? They impratical for our current mission of peace keeping due to size. We would need 18 rooivalk acoording to the deffence review but they not a pressing issue.


So the badger is not new?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 6:19am On Oct 16, 2013
@AUGUSTUS NOTHING TO OFFER ACCEPT THAT I CAN PROVIDE A DESCRIPTION OF YOURSELF AS A person who is consumed by envy against SOUTH AFRICA and your hatred/bitterness towards South Africa for having an advantage that YOU Nigeria don't have. For instance, envious/jealous behavior such as a friend has a nice new car and instead of being truly happy for them you badmouth them or the car or make up something ridiculous because YOU can't afford it yourself. If someone has money and YOU don't you say they recieved it through less than stellar means. If someone is more talented than YOU you say their work isnt as good as anyone thinks or they are just lucky. This kind of 'jealousy' is destructive and displays itself as having a bad attitude towards the object of the envy and also being passive aggressive.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chris365(m): 9:31am On Oct 16, 2013
Thiza: @AUGUSTUS NOTHING TO OFFER ACCEPT THAT I CAN PROVIDE A DESCRIPTION OF YOURSELF AS A person who is consumed by envy against SOUTH AFRICA and your hatred/bitterness towards South Africa for having an advantage that YOU Nigeria don't have. For instance, envious/jealous behavior such as a friend has a nice new car and instead of being truly happy for them you badmouth them or the car or make up something ridiculous because YOU can't afford it yourself. If someone has money and YOU don't you say they recieved it through less than stellar means. If someone is more talented than YOU you say their work isnt as good as anyone thinks or they are just lucky. This kind of 'jealousy' is destructive and displays itself as having a bad attitude towards the object of the envy and also being passive aggressive.

hey mister blabber mouth. both countries are competing and there's nothing wrong with competing unless you are an enemy of progress who
believes that only south africa should have everything and other countries should only buy from you. grow up and talk objectively. ode tongue

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 9:50am On Oct 16, 2013
agaugust:

most of the above is just a wish list and day dream of south african military.

south african government has no money to waste any more on defence.

south african CANNOT raise money to maintain the weapons it already has.

only 8 pilots for 26 Gripen jets.

12 Gripen jets are in long term 'deep freezer' cold storage.

only 11 Exocet missiles remain instead of 32 Exocet missiles for 4 valour frigates.

only 46 G6 artillery and 11 Rooivalk helicopters have been purchased since 20 years ago.

stop daydreaming bros, south africa is NOT buying any new major military equipment due to lack of money
grin cheesy tongue cry

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1. You say only 11 Exocet missiles REMAIN from the original number we bought. Meaning you know full well that Exocet missiles
have been fired/tested by our Navy. But 3 days ago you were demanding proof that we have fired any Exocet missiles in tests. Fool grin

2. Project Hoefyster costing R8billion was signed and sealed 3 weeks ago. Production and industrialization of the Badger IFV has started. You call that a wish list? The other projects are going through the same process Badger did 2/3 years ago. Fool grin

3. There are more than 8 Gripen pilots, and NO Gripens are in storage. Fool grin

NO SAAF GRIPENS IN STORAGE - GENERAL



http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1237/saaf-jets-arent-in-storage-says-general

The fuel is only R11 a litre but it costs about R135 400 an hour to keep a Gripen fighter jet in the air.

The Hawk trainer fighter jets are a bit cheaper, at about R82 900 per flying hour.

This was divulged by General John Bayne at the Arms Procurement Commission on Tuesday.

Bayne is the director of combat systems for the South African Air Force, responsible for the Gripen and Hawk systems.

Bayne said the “dry costs” (without fuel) for a Gripen were R104 600 per flying hour and fuel cost R30 800, giving a total “wet cost” of R135 400. Hawks fly at a dry cost of R67 500, with fuel costs of R15 400 and a total
cost of R82 900.

The SAAF bought 26 Gripen fighter jets and 24 Hawk trainer fighters in the 1999 arms deal, which the commission is investigating.

“To date the Hawks have flown over 10 000 major accident-free flying hours since 2005 and the Gripens 3 500 since 2008,” said Bayne.

He said there had been “some minor accidents and incidents, like on all aircraft fleets”.

Bayne touched on the controversial issue of whether the fighter jets were in long-term storage.

Earlier this year, Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula caused some confusion by telling Parliament that 12 of the Gripens were in long-term storage because there was not funding to fly them; then last month she told Parliament that none of the Gripens or Hawks were in storage.

Bayne said the SAAF had found that it was better - and cheaper - not to put the aircraft into long-term storage even though budgets were tight this year. “We were warned that this would be a particularly tough financial year.”

Bayne said the SAAF had discussed the storage and maintenance issue with the aircrafts’ manufacturer, Saab, earlier this year after initially storing 12 Gripens, and then set up a less costly process. This reduced the maintenance hours required for storage and made the aircraft more readily available for flying.

“With both these aircraft it would be far more costly and require much more maintenance putting them into long-term storage,” he said.

They now use a rotational preventive maintenance programme which involves flying the aircraft every now and then.

All 26 Gripens are flown and managed in this way, Bayne added.


Some are put under “tents” to slow the corrosion process while the aircraft are standing.

The SAAF uses a three-tier system with the fighter aircraft. This means the fighter pilots start training on the Pilatus aircraft, then move on to the Hawk trainers, then the Gripens.

The Hawk is used as both a trainer and a fighter jet in its own right.

“The SAAF today has an excellent, well-balanced and well-equipped fighter-system capability within the ideal three-tier system wherein the gap is higher between the first and second tier and relatively small between the second and third tier,” said Bayne.

He said the training success rate was very high for air crew, both men and women.


Bayne said Hawks and Gripens had been well utilised in line with the current security environment.

He emphasised the need to retain the fighters as part of the SANDF’s deterrent force.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 10:00am On Oct 16, 2013
agaugust: .


[size=16pt] Nigerian made Epe Rockets now in combat service.... [/size]



there is 'insider' information that nigerian made Epe rockets have secretly entered combat service and is being used by nigerian air force jet fighters and helicopter gunships.

the rockets are of various sizes and ranges, which are also being improved and upgraded regularly as more research and development continues secretly at the Epe missile/rocketry/space/satellite site in a tightly secured and 'no public entry' Lagos waterfront area/island location.

the information from the 'insider' source says the air force has produced its own launchers for the air to ground rockets, while the army is working hard on its own launchers for the bigger and longer range ground to ground artillery rockets, surface to air anti-aircraft missiles versions, and also working with the navy to build land to sea versions in anti-ship missile modes, though source said the anti-aircraft and anti-ship versions will take a longer time to complete than the army ground to ground versions which will be ready likely next year 2014, while the air force version is already in full use and service having being configured by nigerian air force research institute for all combat aircraft to be armed with.

asked to provide some 'proof', the 'insider' source said ...."people have been seeing it but they dont know it is from that Epe site as the first version/model with a range maximum 10km or thereabout "...he then referred to the photo and link below...

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2013/07/naf-rocketpods1.jpg?w=640[/img]



http://beegeagle./2013/07/08/made-in-nigeria-rocket-pod-at-the-nigerian-air-force-air-expo-2012-world-exclusive-photos-props-henry-a-beegeagles-blogger/


for south africans who said nigeria is only firing rockets into sea waters at Epe project site, nigerians laugh at you again cheesy grin shocked tongue shocked

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/national-news/132850-nigeria-resumes-rocket-testing-


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You logged on, decided to type all of this about unguided rockets? Unguided aim and shoot rockets You are more delusional than I thought. Let us assume your source is real (which we all know he's not grin).....you are completely and utterly out of your depth if you believe Nigeria will develop anything resembling the pic below in the next year. In the next ten years for that matter. Stop believing the voices in your head fool.

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 12:07pm On Oct 16, 2013
chris365:

You dont seem to know that boy. He's like a llama that spits all över the place without direction. Too dull to inderstand the art of propaganda.... Or should i say too stup1d to have än independent point of view without relying so much on cut and paste information.

I think I am beginning to get a clearer picture undecided.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 12:12pm On Oct 16, 2013
Mike..ZA:
You don't know a thing about the bush war. By saying "the 1987 bush war" only proves it well. What is known about the bush is: Every time when Cuban troops made contact with the South Africans they took heavy casualties. Ask what happened when tried to help their swapo brothers during the battle of cassinga. Or maybe ask about the Bridge 14 battle. Cuban troops or commanders had Soviet advisors,to make up for their ill experience,and received massive quality equipment from the communists.

Just like you don't know anything about the conflicts the Nigerian Armed Forces have been in.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 12:13pm On Oct 16, 2013
Mike..ZA:
Biafra The civil of mercinaries?......Nigerian armed forces. Have no conventional warfare experience. Your forces will be wiped out before your commanders can realise what's going on. Ask the Americans what happens when "overconfident and ill experienced" soldiers are thrown into combat against a experienced General and his men(soldiers).

Aahh! Our fantasist again with his sweeping statements grin.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 12:28pm On Oct 16, 2013
saengine:


You logged on, decided to type all of this about unguided rockets? Unguided aim and shoot rockets You are more delusional than I thought. Let us assume your source is real (which we all know he's not grin).....you are completely and utterly out of your depth if you believe Nigeria will develop anything resembling the pic below in the next year. In the next ten years for that matter. Stop believing the voices in your head fool.




Every country has to start from somewhere. Look at China, now their equipment is as good as and in some cases probably better than some western systems.

It looks like you don't want to see progress anywhere unless of course it is SA. What a jaundiced approach

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 12:45pm On Oct 16, 2013
Nigeria Army Depot, trains 9000 soldiers
Our Reporter October 16, 2013 No Comments »

By MOLLY KILETE (burmeserc21@gmail.com)

A total of 9,000 soldiers are currently undergoing training at the Nigerian Army, Depot, Zaria. This is the first time in the history of the Nigerian Army in training recruits in such large number.

Before now, the army had trained not more than 3,000 recruit soldiers at a time at the Depot. The duration for recruits training is six months. However, the recruits are expected to spend four months at the Depot in basic military training from where they will proceed to the headquarters of Nigerian Army Corps of Artillery (NACA) at Kotangora, Niger State, for tactical and counter terrorism training for two months. They would be posted to the various corps of the army thereafter.

The huge number of soldiers needed to be recruited into the force, according to our source, is a direct response by the military to the security challenge raised by the Boko Haram sect. The source say it is a security strategy by the army to contain the increasing wave of terrorism and other crimes that threaten the nation.

From facts, available to Abuja Metro, the training also involved heavy financial costs, which was described as “necessary cost to safeguard the nation.”

Commanding officers course commences in Jaji

The Nigerian Army School of Infantry (NASI), Jaji has commenced the mandatory three months training for prospective Commanding Officers.

The programme, which started last month, has officers in the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel and senior Major in attendance.

They are to train in tactics, strategy and unit administration, at the end of which they are expected to be posted out as commanding officers to units and formations of the army.

The program which is aimed at preparing the officers for command responsibilities and administration is attended by 18 officers who will be graduating in December.

Maj-Gen. Buratai, is the commandant of the Nigerian Army School of Infantry.

http://sunnewsonline.com/new/specials/abuja-metro/nigeria-army-depot-trains-9000-soldiers/
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:37pm On Oct 16, 2013
MOSCOW, October 16 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s state arms export monopoly has signed a $1 billion deal package with Angola to deliver military equipment, build an ammunition plant and provide maintenance services, Vedomosti business daily reported Wednesday.

Rosoboronexport will supply 18 Su-30K fighter jets to the southern African nation, the daily said, citing sources at the arms exports company and the Russian military.

The Su-30K fighters in question are a batch of aircraft that were initially supplied to India in the late 1990s, prior to Delhi receiving the more advanced multirole Su-30MKI variant. They were returned to Russia in 2007, Vedomosti said, and have since lain idle in a Belarusian repair plant.

They had previously been offered to Belarus, Sudan and Vietnam.

Also on the list are Mi-17 transport helicopters, tanks, artillery, firearms and ammunition, the newspaper said.

Rosoboronexport will conduct maintenance for Russian-made military equipment used by the Angolan military, the report said.

Rosoboronexport and the Russian Defense Ministry have made no official comment on the alleged deals, which Vedomosti said were signed last week during Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin’s trip to Angola, Russia’s geopolitical ally since the Soviet era.
http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20131...ia--

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:13pm On Oct 16, 2013
NaijaPikinGidi: Trash is back just the way they like it ... recycled! angry angry angry
Hate it or whatever history will never change. Posting real facts seems to be making you angry,but how cares I WILL REMANDING YOU. Cause you forget easily!!!!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:25pm On Oct 16, 2013
rka1:

Aahh! Our fantasist again with his sweeping statements grin.
Resorting to jokes again?......Your commanders have never seen burning fires of the African battlefield. Smell of burning armour(Tanks and APCs). You're yet to be baptised under real fire(MRLS,fighter jets and artillery). With no experience why should we rank Nigeria above Ethiopia and South Africa?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:34pm On Oct 16, 2013
rka1:

Just like you don't know anything about the conflicts the Nigerian Armed Forces have been in.
Biafra,Sierra Leone,Liberia?.....Show me where your mechanised units fought a well organised enemy. Show me where your air force was engaged in a dogfight..........south Africa can defeat Nigeria any time,your ground forces will lack the capability to track South African armour on the ground and destroy.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 6:27pm On Oct 16, 2013
agaugust: .


[size=16pt] Nigerian made Epe Rockets now in combat service.... [/size]



there is 'insider' information that nigerian made Epe rockets have secretly entered combat service and is being used by nigerian air force jet fighters and helicopter gunships.

the rockets are of various sizes and ranges, which are also being improved and upgraded regularly as more research and development continues secretly at the Epe missile/rocketry/space/satellite site in a tightly secured and 'no public entry' Lagos waterfront area/island location.

the information from the 'insider' source says the air force has produced its own launchers for the air to ground rockets, while the army is working hard on its own launchers for the bigger and longer range ground to ground artillery rockets, surface to air anti-aircraft missiles versions, and also working with the navy to build land to sea versions in anti-ship missile modes, though source said the anti-aircraft and anti-ship versions will take a longer time to complete than the army ground to ground versions which will be ready likely next year 2014, while the air force version is already in full use and service having being configured by nigerian air force research institute for all combat aircraft to be armed with.

asked to provide some 'proof', the 'insider' source said ...."people have been seeing it but they dont know it is from that Epe site as the first version/model with a range maximum 10km or thereabout "...he then referred to the photo and link below...

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2013/07/naf-rocketpods1.jpg?w=640[/img]



http://beegeagle./2013/07/08/made-in-nigeria-rocket-pod-at-the-nigerian-air-force-air-expo-2012-world-exclusive-photos-props-henry-a-beegeagles-blogger/


for south africans who said nigeria is only firing rockets into sea waters at Epe project site, nigerians laugh at you again cheesy grin shocked tongue shocked

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/national-news/132850-nigeria-resumes-rocket-testing-


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Unguided rockets? We are laughing at you Sir. Come back,when Nigeria tests a guide missile like the Denel's Mokopa missile and Ingwe missile.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 7:59pm On Oct 16, 2013
rka1: CraigB:
Hollande praised South Africa for contributing troops to a United Nations mission with a mandate to help fight rebels in eastern Congo. He also commented on South Africa's role in regional efforts to ensure peaceful elections later this month in Madagascar, as well as South Africa's political support for France's intervention in Mali earlier this year to fight Islamic militants.

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I seem to recall not too long ago you dismissing praise by the Malian president about the good work done by the Nigerian military in Mali as just diplomacy. Short memories indeed.

I seem to recall that South Africa is being begged by France to go back to CAR (?)

"Short" thoughts, indeed. undecided
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 8:05pm On Oct 16, 2013
rka1: Shekau is dead, you obviously don't understand the art of disinformation/propaganda. The video was faked by desperate BH and their sympathisers to keep the morale of their fast fading fighters going.

You wish he were dead.

Don't tell us about a supposedly "faked video".

Explain the audio below (09 October 2013). Once you are done with that, tell us why Shekau's death will stop Boko Haram (if you were to prove it). There have been deadly attacks even after his supposed death. Effectively, you would have created another leader whose identity you don't know. From the frying pan and into the inferno. undecided

The Naai-gerian army is incapacitated and effectively useless outside Naai-geria. Recovery from this mess will take you years. You should be downgraded on the rankings because you are useless in and outside Naai-geria, at this point in time.


CraigB:

09 October 2013.

Mr Fake Man's precious VOA.

http://www.voanews.com/content/in-nigeria-new-video-attributed-to-boko-haram-threats-long-war/1766258.html


New Video Attributed to Boko Haram Threatens Long War



Heather Murdock
October 09, 2013

ABUJA — In Nigeria, many people believe Abubakar Shekau leads Boko Haram, the Islamist militant group blamed for thousands of deaths. A man who sounds like Shekau is heard in a new audio message distributed to journalists, raising questions about claims the terrorist is dead.

Boko Haram used to post its videos on YouTube, but now it sends copies to a couple of journalists in northern Nigeria who distribute them to trusted colleagues and eventually the news agencies. Often the videos are transferred to audio-only files to accommodate the shoddy communications network in northern Nigeria.

This is the latest Boko Haram audio file making its way around Nigeria. It is distinctly the voice of Abubakar Shekau, or a very good impersonation of him. Speaking in the local Hausa language, he says Boko Haram has seized enough weapons to maintain a sustained war to turn Nigeria into his version of an Islamic state, which includes death for non-believers.

But he does not take responsibility for any specific recent attacks, most notably the September 29 raid on a college dormitory where about 40 students were killed, some while they were sleeping.

Nigerian authorities say Boko Haram is losing its power in northern Nigeria. Army spokesperson Brigadier General Ibrahim Attahiru says, “Our operations in the northeast have continued to [destroy] terrorist activities, thereby denying them freedom of action. For the last few weeks there were incidences of Boko Haram terrorists, unprovoked malicious attack and wanton destruction of life and property.”
He says Boko Haram is still conducting attacks, but the military is moving in on the group and apprehending suspects.

Other authorities say that recent security forces successes against Boko Haram include the killing of Shekau.

This is a video released last week of a man who looks and sounds like Shekau saying he is alive. Security forces later told Nigerian newspapers the video was doctored to “sustain a non-existent continuum in leadership.”

But some analysts say both the Boko Haram statements - whoever they came from - and the security forces' claims are a smokescreen, designed by powerful politicians to keep the public confused and the northeast in chaos.

Clement Nwankwo, who heads the Policy and Legal Advocacy Center in Abuja, says, “If you have a military presence in virtually all parts of the north then you are able to determine the number of people that come and vote. If there is fear then it means that a lot of people in the area where you think you do not have support do not necessarily come out and vote.”

During the past four years, Boko Haram has claimed responsibility for attacks on schools, churches, mosques, security forces, banks and the government. Nwankwo says in the past some authorities have declared Shekau dead, while others maintained he was alive.

The only thing 100 percent verifiable, he says, is that innocent people continue to be killed.

Abdulkareem Haruna contributed to this report from Maiduguri

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 8:26pm On Oct 16, 2013
From the messenger of truth - take care of the social issues, then your hapless military won't have to worry another day, Naai-gerians. Leave the brawn alone. Embrace the brains. Good old bitter truths.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201310150671.html

Nigeria: Boko Haram and Jonathan's Ineffective State of Emergency




OPINION

At the root of the Boko Haram menace is the continued failure of the intelligence community to understand the role of the average family and how it works.

When President Jonathan announced the state of emergency in three States hardest hit by Boko Haram in May 2013, some of us knew he would be making a difference without distinction. Our position is not far fetched, given that troops were deployed in a half-hearted measure to the states with enhanced powers, unclear measures, success parameters and specific instructions.

Lest we forget, Boko Haram was bred by an interplay of historical, geo-political, economic, religious disaffection with the Nigerian state. A child of dissatisfaction and ignorance. Is it reasonable to expect a swarm of people bred under economic alienation, layered by religious extremism, to be loyal to the system that has hurt them? A country that abandons its youth cannot be taken seriously. Evidence supports the theory that countries with good governance are increasingly more successful in fighting terrorism. Nigeria is a fertile ground for terrorism because the government has done more to enable and protect thieves than in ensuring good governance among its constituent parts. Now that we have our own home-grown terror group, the government is investing in knee jerk reactions and misapplied military deployment; leaving leprosy to cure ringworm.

Terrorists do not recruit happy people; they find company among the melancholic and the disillusioned. They are able to recruit young men who harbour legitimate grievances against our amoral leaders and a country that has mortgaged their future and sold them short.

After four months, the balance score card for emergency arrangement is unimpressive. The military expedition is becoming a graduated failure. Militaristic interventions cannot purge this country of Boko Haram. We must drain the Nigerian swamp and get new waters to spring forth. The Commander in-Chief and the Nigerian military must acknowledge the asymmetrical nature of this exercise. We must reckon with the willingness of terrorists to suffer collateral damage and even to pursue tactics specifically designed to cause the deaths of their own people. The war on terror cannot be won by military putsch. It can only be won with education; education is the only defence for civil liberties. A humanist education innoculates the mind with cultural self-formation. A mind in live culture aspires to a higher life of self-critique and a humane mindset as opposed to a life of conflict based on geography, religion or honour. That is why they have assumed a layered disdain for education..
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 10:28pm On Oct 16, 2013
CraigB:

I seem to recall that South Africa is being begged by France to go back to CAR (?)

"Short" thoughts, indeed. undecided

So because I said short memories instead of short-term memory you think you are clever? Don't make me laugh, it was intended cool
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 10:31pm On Oct 16, 2013
rka1:

So because I said short memories instead of short-term memory you think you are clever? Don't make me laugh, it was intended cool

The most confused statement of the year.

*Moving along. cry
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 10:32pm On Oct 16, 2013
Oh! someone's opinion? It must be true then undecided .

Maybe you can ask USA, Aghganistan, Pakistan, India, Columbia, Peru etc why they bother o knowlegeable one lipsrsealed
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 10:36pm On Oct 16, 2013
CraigB:

The most confused statement of the year.

*Moving along. cry

Yes, rapidly please.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 10:42pm On Oct 16, 2013
CraigB:

You wish he were dead.

Don't tell us about a supposedly "faked video".

Explain the audio below (09 October 2013). Once you are done with that, tell us why Shekau's death will stop Boko Haram (if you were to prove it). There have been deadly attacks even after his supposed death. Effectively, you would have created another leader whose identity you don't know. From the frying pan and into the inferno. undecided

The Naai-gerian army is incapacitated and effectively useless outside Naai-geria. Recovery from this mess will take you years. You should be downgraded on the rankings because you are useless in and outside Naai-geria, at this point in time.



Nobody said it would end the insurgency, but it has dealt them a major blow and will continue to. The audio is a patch work of someone who couldn't even maintain Shekau's accent.

On the contrary, it has greatly improved the Nigerian Army and facilitated the creation of a new CT/COIN based division. Not even SA can boast of that.
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CraigB:

You wish he were dead.

Don't tell us about a supposedly "faked video".

Explain the audio below (09 October 2013). Once you are done with that, tell us why Shekau's death will stop Boko Haram (if you were to prove it). There have been deadly attacks even after his supposed death. Effectively, you would have created another leader whose identity you don't know. From the frying pan and into the inferno. undecided

The Naai-gerian army is incapacitated and effectively useless outside Naai-geria. Recovery from this mess will take you years. You should be downgraded on the rankings because you are useless in and outside Naai-geria, at this point in time.



Nobody said it would end the insurgency, but it has dealt them a major blow and will continue to. The audio is a patch work of someone who couldn't even maintain Shekau's accent.

On the contrary, it has greatly improved the Nigerian Army and facilitated the creation of a new CT/COIN based division. Not even SA can boast of that cool
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 10:44pm On Oct 16, 2013
From the messenger of truth:

The uselessness of the Naai-gerian military effort.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/10378995/Amnesty-International-say-hundreds-killed-in-Nigerian-prisons-during-crackdown-on-Islamists.html

Amnesty International say 'hundreds' killed in Nigerian prisons during crackdown on Islamists

Human rights organisation says it has seen evidence of extra-judicial killings during army-led operation against Islamist militants in north east Nigeria

Rights group Amnesty International on Monday called for an urgent investigation after saying it had evidence that hundreds of people had died in detention facilities during a crackdown on Islamists in Nigeria.
The group said prisoners had been suffocated, starved and subjected to extra-judicial killings in the army-led operation in the country's north east.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 10:46pm On Oct 16, 2013
rka1:

Nobody said it would end the insurgency, but it has dealt them a major blow and will continue to. The audio is a patch work of someone who couldn't even maintain Shekau's accent.

On the contrary, it has greatly improved the Nigerian Army and facilitated the creation of a new CT/COIN based division. Not even SA can boast of that.
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Nobody said it would end the insurgency, but it has dealt them a major blow and will continue to. The audio is a patch work of someone who couldn't even maintain Shekau's accent.

On the contrary, it has greatly improved the Nigerian Army and facilitated the creation of a new CT/COIN based division. Not even SA can boast of that cool

You asked me to move on. I have - rapidly, as per your request. Deal with the source of the opinions posted. This is more than the video, the audio or Shekau.

Your fellow Naai-gerian states ever so clearly:

The military effort is useless and as per your admission, Shekau's "death", futile. It won't end the insurgency. Where is the intelligence in this?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 11:11pm On Oct 16, 2013
rka1:
Oh! someone's opinion? It must be true then undecided .

Maybe you can ask USA, Aghganistan, Pakistan, India, Columbia, Peru etc why they bother o knowlegeable one lipsrsealed

An uncontested opinion? Asking me about the USA will only keep the eye away from the facts for all of 2 seconds. Once the dust has settled, the facts remain: 4 years in, Boko Haram has reduced your army into a handicapped force that cannot do anything else but fight BH.

This is the crux of the matter. Insofar as your foreign policy is concerned, your military can play no role. We hereby downgrade you and rank you alongside the other bottom-ranked nations on the continent.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nigeria27: 12:39am On Oct 17, 2013
CraigB:

An uncontested opinion? Asking me about the USA will only keep the eye away from the facts for all of 2 seconds. Once the dust has settled, the facts remain: 4 years in, Boko Haram has reduced your army into a handicapped force that cannot do anything else but fight BH.

This is the crux of the matter. Insofar as your foreign policy is concerned, your military can play no role. We hereby downgrade you and rank you alongside the other bottom-ranked nations on the continent.

The face of war is changing , insurgancys and terriosm is the lead cause of conflict in the last few decades and remeber nigerian has made a division for COIN so the rest of the army is still a fighting force also nigeria's COIN division is going to be seeing alot of action after the BH sect is over with . the COIN divison is going to be requested by the UN and other contries to train or deal with terrorism in other places around the world Nigerias name is going to be on the COIN map

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 1:55am On Oct 17, 2013
CraigB:

You asked me to move on. I have - rapidly, as per your request. Deal with the source of the opinions posted. This is more than the video, the audio or Shekau.

Your fellow Naai-gerian states ever so clearly:

The military effort is useless and as per your admission, Shekau's "death", futile. It won't end the insurgency. Where is the intelligence in this?

You are asking for me to deal with the opinions? Very funny. I am afraid I have much better things to do than reply to those opinions. There are many opposite opinions out there. That is why they are called opinions, not facts.

The insurgency won't end straight away, because that is the nature of insurgencies. The ideology will gradually be worn down. Don't forget, a lot of the fighters are foreign as well.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 2:02am On Oct 17, 2013
You get funnier all the time. The opposite has happened. The military is a lot stronger and in no way handicapped. A division of 7,000 CT/COIN soldeirs trained up is not a Handicap grin[ The Army will soon be 150,00 strong. There is even a battalion, The Counter Force, that can deal with any conflicts outside the country and don't get involved with internal matters. Add to that the special forces battalions, the airborne and amphibious battalions (some are even currently training/on excercise at the moment with British, American, Dutch & Spanish special forces).

So I beg to disagree. grin

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